View Full Version : America - Divided We Fall?
epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2008, 02:51 AM
The country is ideologically divided in a way that we have seldom seen in the history of the Greatest Nation on the planet. Never before have political camps been so entrenched in their platforms...a way that extends from judiciary, to legislature, to executive, to culture, to ethics, to fiscal issues, to morals, to lifestyle issues, to language, to borders, to value of human life issues, to education issues, to health care, to gas costs, to government control, and on and on.
It seems as though there are at least two nations in one.
Today it seems like people who have no vested interest in an issue will dig in and fight to the death for it just for the sake of being right (or the other team being wrong).
Here's the question, and it doesnt have to be a long-winded answer (although I dont mind if you do of course)...a simple sentence would do. I thought that this idea might get some interesting discussion going.
The question is:
Would you prefer that America remain a forcefully "blended" nation, or would you rather see your team draw a line in the sand and dare the other to cross it...would you rather your team secede?
TailgateNut
06-03-2008, 08:58 AM
The country is ideologically divided in a way that we have seldom seen in the history of the Greatest Nation on the planet. Never before have political camps been so entrenched in their platforms...a way that extends from judiciary, to legislature, to executive, to culture, to ethics, to fiscal issues, to morals, to lifestyle issues, to language, to borders, to value of human life issues, to education issues, to health care, to gas costs, to government control, and on and on.
It seems as though there are at least two nations in one.
Today it seems like people who have no vested interest in an issue will dig in and fight to the death for it just for the sake of being right (or the other team being wrong).
Here's the question, and it doesnt have to be a long-winded answer (although I dont mind if you do of course)...a simple sentence would do. I thought that this idea might get some interesting discussion going.
The question is:
Would you prefer that America remain a forcefully "blended" nation, or would you rather see your team draw a line in the sand and dare the other to cross it...would you rather your team secede?
I"m ready to draw the proverbial "line in the sand" and "lock and load". I'm sick of the way the republican party has raped and pillaged our countrys' coffers for their own profit without being held accountable. They have indebted our children and grandchildren by waging a war based on the lies and manipulations of this crooked ass administration. Time to hunt them down and lock them up, and time to stomp and squash anyone who gets in the way of justice being served.
When the Repukes are in charge/ in power they want no part of "blending". Now that they see that they are about to be purged, they want to play nice.
**** that, and **** them!
Meck77
06-03-2008, 09:26 AM
Well Nut you may want to start with the democrats leading the charge at our capital first. Plenty of personal pillaging going on there. Plus it's a closer drive from your house.
Bronco Jamus
06-03-2008, 09:33 AM
The country is ideologically divided in a way that we have seldom seen in the history of the Greatest Nation on the planet. Never before have political camps been so entrenched in their platforms
The mid to late 1800 hundreds were the same way. The fought a war over it.
Spider
06-03-2008, 09:43 AM
The country is ideologically divided in a way that we have seldom seen in the history of the Greatest Nation on the planet. Never before have political camps been so entrenched in their platforms...a way that extends from judiciary, to legislature, to executive, to culture, to ethics, to fiscal issues, to morals, to lifestyle issues, to language, to borders, to value of human life issues, to education issues, to health care, to gas costs, to government control, and on and on.
It seems as though there are at least two nations in one.
Today it seems like people who have no vested interest in an issue will dig in and fight to the death for it just for the sake of being right (or the other team being wrong).
Here's the question, and it doesnt have to be a long-winded answer (although I dont mind if you do of course)...a simple sentence would do. I thought that this idea might get some interesting discussion going.
The question is:
Would you prefer that America remain a forcefully "blended" nation, or would you rather see your team draw a line in the sand and dare the other to cross it...would you rather your team secede?
We are not as divided as we are led to believe ...... Some in house fighting , but stop and look at 9-11 , Katrina ,etc ........ everyone laid down their difference and got to work and worked for the greater cause .....It has been that way ever since we became a country
Hotrod
06-03-2008, 10:02 AM
I'm drawing a line in the sand and standing up for Mr. Bush and the honest hard working moral Repubs.
Spider
06-03-2008, 10:04 AM
I'm drawing a line in the sand and standing up for Mr. Bush and the honest hard working moral Repubs.
How many times do you have to be told .......... Medication before booze in the morning ? :approve:
spdirty
06-03-2008, 10:04 AM
I'm drawing a line in the sand and standing up for Mr. Bush and the honest hard working moral Repubs.
Hitler.
Hotrod
06-03-2008, 10:17 AM
McCain is the man to lead us into the future. A future of hope and prosperity. Once we clean up Iraq and settle the score with Iran the whole world will thank us with cheap oil and spices.
Hotrod
06-03-2008, 10:18 AM
I wont even get into the North Korea and Syrian issues. They can wait until we finish with Iraq and Iran.
spdirty
06-03-2008, 10:20 AM
McCain is the man to lead us into the future. A future of hope and prosperity. Once we clean up Iraq and settle the score with Iran the whole world will thank us with cheap oil and spices.
LOL
http://youtube.com/watch?v=cAdhBhU650I
defenseman
06-03-2008, 11:02 AM
Nice to see not a whole lot has changed around here.....dman
Taco John
06-03-2008, 11:23 AM
The question is:
Would you prefer that America remain a forcefully "blended" nation, or would you rather see your team draw a line in the sand and dare the other to cross it...would you rather your team secede?
I don't even know what this means, but here's what I'd rather see: american imperialism shut down, states rights restored, income tax slavery abolished, and border protection increased.
defenseman
06-03-2008, 11:29 AM
I don't even know what this means, but here's what I'd rather see: american imperialism shut down, states rights restored, income tax slavery abolished, and border protection increased.
Ditto...dman
*the imperialism angle requires a bit more of a specific definition I would think. The rest though, looks good. Unfortunately, don't see it happening anytime soon. We pretty much are over the cliff and it's a long climb up presently. But, you never know.
Bronco Jamus
06-03-2008, 11:47 AM
I don't even know what this means, but here's what I'd rather see: american imperialism shut down, states rights restored, income tax slavery abolished, and border protection increased.
I wouldn't say we are imperialistic.
Taco John
06-03-2008, 11:53 AM
Ditto...dman
*the imperialism angle requires a bit more of a specific definition I would think...
We have, what, over 700 military bases worldwide that American taxpayers are having to support. I have nothing against our military. My problem is with the way they're being used. Putting the costs of defense of Japan, Germany, France, and every two bit nation in the world on the American taxpayer is wrong. We can be allies without paying their way.
Taco John
06-03-2008, 11:55 AM
I wouldn't say we are imperialistic.
I wouldn't take your opinion on the matter seriously then. I'm sure you're a smart guy, but if you don't think that maintaining a military empire of over 700 bases worldwide is imperialistic, then our definitions of imperialism are so far off we might as well be speaking different languages.
The country is ideologically divided in a way that we have seldom seen in the history of the Greatest Nation on the planet.
Bull.
defenseman
06-03-2008, 01:16 PM
Bull.
To a point. People are less for the country and more for "themselves" than they used to be. I don't like taxes anymore than the next guy, but I pay my fair share. Many, would "cheat" (70% of the 'liberals' polled, 21% of the conservatives polled) on their taxes if they could get away with it. Not right at all. The "what can you do for 'me' " attitude is has increased dramatically over the last 15 years or so. This will, if left unchecked, be the downfall of the american way of life, giving way eventually to socialism of the worst kind......dman
Meck77
06-03-2008, 01:24 PM
Just from my personal experience of spending almost 3 solid months at the Colorado State capital I can tell you first hand there are two types of politicians. There are those that serve the people and an equal amount that are out to serve themselves.
Many of the laws that are passed or rejected are done so not based on the merit of the bill but the "deals" that are made.
Let me give you an example. One particular democrat voted against my eminent domain bill because he was trying to pass an "Anti public masturbation law". He flat out told me he has to vote against my bill because other democrats threatened to vote against his idiotic bill. You see the legislators count laws they pass like brownie points. Some do it for the right reasons and some just want to move up the political food chain.
Yes I'm a little jaded by politics after being in the trenches. The reality is the American people are not represented by the people. It's all about big money, Quasi governments, and corporations that have strong lobbies. The common man of which there are a couple hundred million of us have little to no voice.
TailgateNut
06-03-2008, 02:05 PM
Well Nut you may want to start with the democrats leading the charge at our capital first. Plenty of personal pillaging going on there. Plus it's a closer drive from your house.
No, I think you start at the top. (always cut off the head of the snake), and step on anyone who gets in the way and those who brought the critter into the house.
It's time to stop pumping dollars into the Iraqui economy, and use it to recharge our own.
Bronco Jamus
06-03-2008, 02:13 PM
I wouldn't take your opinion on the matter seriously then. I'm sure you're a smart guy, but if you don't think that maintaining a military empire of over 700 bases worldwide is imperialistic, then our definitions of imperialism are so far off we might as well be speaking different languages.
Our bases here and there doesn't mean we control the governemnt and it's people. That is imperialism. Now I would agree that we are economically imperialistic.
Denver Crush
06-03-2008, 02:32 PM
The mid to late 1800 hundreds were the same way. The fought a war over it.
I would also like to point out the situation during the forming of our constitution where the federalists and anti federalists were battling it out over how much power the federal government should have. Obviously, in the end both sides came together, but it was an immensely divided climate then too.
mhgaffney
06-03-2008, 05:58 PM
FYI Jefferson opposed a standing army and a centralized private bank.
The Hamiltonians won on these issues. But even the Hamiltonians of that period would be shocked by the expansion if presidential power in our time.
This is consistent with the federal rserve system. Bush is merely the puppet of the Wall Street bankers who run America.
No doubt, if Jefferson were alive today he would be calling for another American revolution: to abolish the federal reserve system, the income tax (which is unconstitutional), and drastically reduce the size of the US military.
This means abiding by our own treaty (the NPT), scaling way back the nuclear arsenal, halting work on the next generation of nukes, and giving the weapons labs a new mission: solve the long term energy crisis.
All we need is a way to store hydrogen -- and we could shift the entire fleet of cars, buses, and trucks in the US to a hydrogen economy. Internal combustion engines require very little modification to run on hydrogen. It is clean, abundant and inexhaustible. It will also be about a cheap as water.
This would revive the American love affair with the automobile -- and eliminate the motive for a wider Mideast war at the same time. We could bring our troops home, and make government serve people again, as it once did.
This is just a small part of what could happen -- IF and only IF we take the correct steps to save America. The first one being to abolish the Fed.
MHG
Breaker
06-03-2008, 06:11 PM
I"m ready to draw the proverbial "line in the sand" and "lock and load". I'm sick of the way the republican party has raped and pillaged our countrys' coffers for their own profit without being held accountable. They have indebted our children and grandchildren by waging a war based on the lies and manipulations of this crooked ass administration. Time to hunt them down and lock them up, and time to stomp and squash anyone who gets in the way of justice being served.
When the Repukes are in charge/ in power they want no part of "blending". Now that they see that they are about to be purged, they want to play nice.
**** that, and **** them!
Yea, its just the Republicans that indebted my generation huh, simply forgot the fact that over a trillion is owed to SS, but hey thats cool keep your rant going.
Taco John
06-03-2008, 07:10 PM
The country is ideologically divided in a way that we have seldom seen in the history of the Greatest Nation on the planet.
I don't believe this for a second.
epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2008, 09:08 PM
I don't believe this for a second.
You're living in a dream world.
It has probably been quite a while since you've been on a University campus, eh?
You're living in a dream world.
No, you are - one of Rush's wet dreams.
Ewwwww!
Taco John
06-03-2008, 10:14 PM
You're living in a dream world.
It has probably been quite a while since you've been on a University campus, eh?
Not too long. Are they threatening to succeed from the union on college campuses or something? Where can I tune in to learn about the Fort Sumpter-like hot spot?
Bronco_Beerslug
06-03-2008, 10:19 PM
Many, would "cheat" (70% of the 'liberals' polled, 21% of the conservatives polled) on their taxes if they could get away with it. Not right at all. .dmanROFL!
Where did you come up with this and does that mean more than 3 times as many of Republicans lie about cheating compared to Democrats?
Bronco_Beerslug
06-03-2008, 10:21 PM
The country is ideologically divided in a way that we have seldom seen in the history of the Greatest Nation on the planet. Never before have political camps been so entrenched in their platforms.Based on what, your very limited time on this Godless planet?
Rohirrim
06-03-2008, 10:36 PM
The drama queen once again exposes his flair for ludicrous hyperbole. These threads of his always give me this uncomfortable feeling, like looking at the woman in a seat opposite you on a bus and suddenly realizing it's a dude.
epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2008, 10:59 PM
Not too long. Are they threatening to succeed from the union on college campuses or something? Where can I tune in to learn about the Fort Sumpter-like hot spot?
Goodness, dude.
I have to explain more of what is between the lines to people on this site moreso than I do anywhere else.
If you cant figure it out, its on you. Im being much more forthright than Bysshe Shelley.