View Full Version : Hillary Backer Yells To Media After Rules Cmte...(video)
06-01-2008, 03:53 AM
Hillary Backer Talks To Media After Being Tossed From DNC Rules Committee (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KACQuZVAE3s)
Hell hath no fury...
Roh, you gotta see this!
06-01-2008, 09:31 AM
It's so weird. She said she would vote for McCain over O'Bama. I've heard a lot of Republicans say the reverse. I bet it won't happen as much as people are saying, but you have to wonder at the quality of the candidates this time around when we're cosidering a spite vote for the other guy.
06-01-2008, 10:41 AM
The irony is that there seems to be little that separates Obama and Clinton on the issues. Clinton may lean a bit more to the center than Obama but it is hard to judge Obama since he's never had to lead anything.
But Democrats are all about pitting one group's rights against another group's rights. They see this as the blacks (and the black candidate) against women (and the woman candidate) instead of thinking "who's more qualified" or "who's more electable", they only see two subgroups of the party that both believe this year is "our turn". So, whichever candidate they eventually nominate, either blacks or women are going to be mad as hell because they'll believe their candidate got screwed.
Whether they decide to vote McCain or third party or just stay home? I think you are right that many will fall in line with the party candidate eventually but there will be some amount of bleed off, just as there are some Republicans who will not vote for McCain.
That's politics. I do think this one is going to skew that red state/blue state map big time, particularly if Obama is the nominee. McCain is going to lose some red states and pick up some blue states.
06-02-2008, 10:40 AM
So what did the Dems actually wind up doing with the Michigan and Florida votes?
I heard that there was some sort of decision to give each delegate 1/2 vote (more or less the same way the republicans handled the situation - - much earlier on) but how did they decide how many delegates to actually award each candidate?
06-02-2008, 12:58 PM
Florida was pretty easy to settle because both candidates were on the ballot.
In Michigan, though, the candidates were threatened to take their names off the ballot. Obama did but Hillary "forgot" so Hillary "won" Michigan with "uncommitted" finishing second. What the rules committee did was divine how many delegates Obama should get from Michigan even though he didn't actually win any delegates in the balloting.
That's going to lead to a convention fight over some of these delegates. The Dems were hoping they settled the issue but many Clinton supporters are less than happy.
06-02-2008, 05:10 PM
Well, that's interesting. As I understand the math, Hillary is already doomed unless she can turn around a boatload of superdelegates. To do that, she needs arguments. To have arguments, you have to have controversies.
If they really "settled" the Florida and Michigan issue, then that's one less controversy, even if they settled it in a way that favors Clinton more than Obama.
She needs to stir the pot, but every day, the oatmeal gets thicker.
06-02-2008, 05:29 PM
The irony is that there seems to be little that separates Obama and Clinton on the issues.
Interesting... Hillary came off to me as the more progressive of the two candidates.