Is the government compiling a secret list of citizens to detain under martial law?

[alkemical]

The Last Roundup - Is the government compiling a secret list of citizens to detain under martial law? (http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2008/05/government_surveillance_homeland_security_main_cor e_01.php) - By Christopher Ketcham


"...While Comey, who left the Department of Justice in 2005, has steadfastly refused to comment further on the matter, a number of former government employees and intelligence sources with independent knowledge of domestic surveillance operations claim the program that caused the flap between Comey and the White House was related to a database of Americans who might be considered potential threats in the event of a national emergency. Sources familiar with the program say that the government's data gathering has been overzealous and probably conducted in violation of federal law and the protection from unreasonable search and seizure guaranteed by the Fourth Amendment.

"...According to a senior government official who served with high-level security clearances in five administrations, "There exists a database of Americans, who, often for the slightest and most trivial reason, are considered unfriendly, and who, in a time of panic, might be incarcerated. The database can identify and locate perceived 'enemies of the state' almost instantaneously." He and other sources tell Radar that the database is sometimes referred to by the code name Main Core. One knowledgeable source claims that 8 million Americans are now listed in Main Core as potentially suspect. In the event of a national emergency, these people could be subject to everything from heightened surveillance and tracking to direct questioning and possibly even detention. ..."

"....As of this writing, DeFazio, Thompson, and the other 433 members of the House are debating the so-called Protect America Act, after a similar bill passed in the Senate. Despite its name, the act offers no protection for U.S. citizens; instead, it would immunize from litigation U.S. telecom giants for colluding with the government in the surveillance of Americans to feed the hungry maw of databases like Main Core. The Protect America Act would legalize programs that appear to be unconstitutional...."


(5 page article, link to source embedded at top of page.)

[TailgateNut]

Just ask the Japanese how quickly the tide can turn if the goverment mistrusts you.

[alkemical]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/5784300.html

CBP's Doty confirmed this was the planned procedure and said those determined to be undocumented immigrants would be taken to separate shelters, likely detention centers in Laredo or San Antonio. He said the highway checkpoints would stay open.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5380868.html

Texans seeking to escape the next hurricane or state emergency by evacuation bus will first be submitted to criminal background checks, the state's emergency management director says.

The idea, according to Jack Colley, is to keep sex offenders and others who may be wanted by police off the same buses used by the most vulnerable during an evacuation: the elderly, disabled residents and children.

[alkemical]

http://www.disinfo.com/content/story.php?title=FBI-Seeking-Vegan-Potluck-Terrorists-Informants--Twin-Cities-2008-Republican-Fest

P. Carroll was riding his bike when his cell phone vibrated, after getting home from the Hennepin County Courthouse, where he’d been served a gross misdemeanor for spray-painting the interior of a campus elevator. The University of Minnesota sophomore flipped open his phone and checked his messages. He was greeted by a voice he recognized that belonged to U of M Police Sgt. Erik Swanson. Swanson asked him to meet at a coffee shop later that day, to assure him that he wasn’t in trouble.

Ten minutes later, a casually dressed Swanson showed up, flanked by a woman whom he introduced as FBI Special Agent Maureen E. Mazzola. For the next 20 minutes, Mazzola would do most of the talking. Carroll said: "She told me that I had the perfect look ... and that I had the perfect personality, they kept saying I was friendly and personable — for what they were looking for."

What they were looking for, Carroll says, was an informant — someone to show up at "vegan potlucks" throughout the Twin Cities and rub shoulders with RNC protestors, schmoozing his way into their inner circles, then reporting back to the FBI’s Joint Terrorism

[alkemical]

http://www.disinfo.com/content/story.php?title=As-Prices-Rise-Snoops-Snitches-Work-Overtime

To gas prices, foreclosure rates and the cost of rice, add this rising economic indicator: the number of tips to the police from people hoping to collect reward money.



Calls to the Southwest Florida Crime Stoppers hot line in the first quarter of this year were up 30 percent over last year. San Antonio had a 44 percent increase. Cities and towns from Detroit to Omaha to Beaufort County, N.C., all report increases of 25 percent or more in the first quarter, with tipsters telling operators they need the money for rent, light bills or baby formula.

“For this year, everyone that’s called has pretty much been just looking for money,” said Sgt. Lawrence Beller, who answers Crime Stoppers calls at the Sussex County, N.J., sheriff’s office. “That’s as opposed to the last couple of years, where some people were just sick of the crime and wanting to do something about it.”

[Dudeskey]

Just ask the Japanese how quickly the tide can turn if the goverment mistrusts you.

Scary ****
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[alkemical]

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/5784300.html

CBP's Doty confirmed this was the planned procedure and said those determined to be undocumented immigrants would be taken to separate shelters, likely detention centers in Laredo or San Antonio. He said the highway checkpoints would stay open.


http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/5380868.html

Texans seeking to escape the next hurricane or state emergency by evacuation bus will first be submitted to criminal background checks, the state's emergency management director says.

The idea, according to Jack Colley, is to keep sex offenders and others who may be wanted by police off the same buses used by the most vulnerable during an evacuation: the elderly, disabled residents and children.

Doesn't this mean though, that everyone will be bused to some "centre"?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Doesn't this mean though, that everyone will be bused to some "centre"?

Halliburton Detention Camps For Political Subversives

Paul Joseph Watson/Prison Planet.com | February 1 2006

In another shining example of modern day corporate fascism, it was announced recently that Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown and Root had been awarded a $385 million dollar contract by Homeland Security to construct detention and processing facilities in the event of a national emergency.

The language of the preamble to the agreement veils the program with talk of temporary migrant holding centers, but it is made clear that the camps will also be used "as the development of a plan to react to a national emergency."

Discussions of federal concentration camps is no longer the rhetoric of paranoid Internet conspiracy theorists, it is mainstream news.

Under the enemy combatant designation anyone at the behest of the US government, even if they are a US citizen, can be kidnapped and placed in an internment facility forever without trial. Jose Padilla, an American citizen, has spent over four years in a Navy brig and is only just now getting a trial.

In 2002, FEMA sought bids from major real estate and engineering firms to construct giant internment facilities in the case of a chemical, biological or nuclear attack or a natural disaster.

Okanogan County Commissioner Dave Schulz went public three years ago with his contention that his county was set to be a location for one of the camps.

Continued:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2006/010206detentioncamps.htm

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Is the government compiling a secret list of citizens to detain under martial law?Probably not.

[alkemical]

Probably not.

Proof says other wise, but hey - thanks for playing!

[loborugger]

Is this why you changed your name, Clav? May I suggest you go deeper undercover...

[alkemical]

Nah, the gov't already has my data.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Proof says other wise, but hey - thanks for playing!Proof? What, like the government is amassing foreign troops on our borders (see Ron Paul)?

[alkemical]

Proof? What, like the government is amassing foreign troops on our borders (see Ron Paul)?

It's good you don't read things before you comment on them. Also look into items like carnivore, etc.

But, i shouldn't get in your way....

[orinjkrush]

Well I've seen what the IRS can do now. And that is just about as scary as incarceration.

We really do need to get rid of political parties. they're all thought-Nazis.

[Breaker]

http://www.disinfo.com/content/story.php?title=FBI-Seeking-Vegan-Potluck-Terrorists-Informants--Twin-Cities-2008-Republican-Fest

P. Carroll was riding his bike when his cell phone vibrated, after getting home from the Hennepin County Courthouse, where he’d been served a gross misdemeanor for spray-painting the interior of a campus elevator. The University of Minnesota sophomore flipped open his phone and checked his messages. He was greeted by a voice he recognized that belonged to U of M Police Sgt. Erik Swanson. Swanson asked him to meet at a coffee shop later that day, to assure him that he wasn’t in trouble.

Ten minutes later, a casually dressed Swanson showed up, flanked by a woman whom he introduced as FBI Special Agent Maureen E. Mazzola. For the next 20 minutes, Mazzola would do most of the talking. Carroll said: "She told me that I had the perfect look ... and that I had the perfect personality, they kept saying I was friendly and personable — for what they were looking for."

What they were looking for, Carroll says, was an informant — someone to show up at "vegan potlucks" throughout the Twin Cities and rub shoulders with RNC protestors, schmoozing his way into their inner circles, then reporting back to the FBI’s Joint Terrorism

This from the same guy that wrote a piece entitled "The Real Brock Lesner" as a journalistic source :rofl:

You think that a story like this that actually had legs would be reported by something other than blogs and conspiracy theory websites, but alas it does not.

[ak1971]

This is actually why the mane was shut down..they were compiling a list of all you idiots to detain.

[TailgateNut]

This is actually why the mane was shut down..they were compiling a list of all you idiots to detain.


....and who would be on "your list"?

[ak1971]

....and who would be on "your list"?

Id be afraid that you woudl beat me with a crab leg

[alkemical]

Unrelated (sort of) - but an very interesting read:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/05/24/switch_switchnap_rob_roy/

Welcome to Las Vegas - Home of the technology superpower you've never heard of

Exclusive Drive a couple of blocks past the Loose Caboose and the Carburetor Shop on E. Sahara Avenue in Las Vegas, and you'll find one of the world's leading technology companies. The name of the company - Switch Communications - will go unrecognized by almost all of you. That's because it has operated in near total secrecy for the last few years. Switch has preferred to keep its gold mine a need-to-know type of affair. "Pay no attention to the secure fortress in the strip mall."

A few months ago, word of Switch's apparently fantastic operations started to reach my in-box. Most of the people who visited the Switch facility were bound by non-disclosure agreements, but that failed to stop them from leaking out a few choice details. "This is the most advanced computing center in the world," I was told. "It's like the internet superhighway wrapped up in one package. All the heavies are there."

Ever a cynic, I struggled to match these claims with the total lack of public information available on Switch. Companies fall all over themselves to issue press releases about things as a minor as cost-savings achieved by changing toilet paper suppliers. If a technology giant really existed in Las Vegas of all places, then it should be patting itself on the back and then letting city officials finish off the job with celebrations of their own.

As Switch's CEO Rob Roy tells it, however, the company had good reason to avoid publicity.

Legend has it that the company managed to acquire what was once meant to be Enron's broadband trading hub for a song. This gave Switch access to more than twenty of the primary carrier backbones in a single location. Switch tied this vast network to existing data center hosting facilities and attracted military clients, among others, to its Las Vegas shop.

Roy argues that drawing undue attention to this facility would go against the military customers' best wishes. There are rooms at the Switch facility that require top secret clearance, preventing even Roy from entering them.

But Switch has now decided to forgo the code of silence as its business expands on a massive scale.

In the next couple of months, Switch will open a new facility located just a few miles from the McCarran International Airport called the SuperNAP. Roy describes the 407,000 square foot facility as the most energy efficient, tightly packed data center on the planet. He expects it to be filled by the world's most prominent companies, including just about every technology heavyweight you can think of and the major media conglomerates. The SuperNAP monstrosity looks to stand as just a starting point for Switch with the company's investors urging it to build close to 10 similar centers around the globe. Such an undertaking could strap actual muscle to the cloud and utility computing buzzwords that have become commonplace in the technology industry.

Come November, Switch will throw a huge party at the SuperNAP for its investors, top customers, employees and the local bigwigs in the real estate and casino businesses. The event was pushed back to November, so that Nevada's two US senators could attend the gala.

So much for staying quiet.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This is actually why the mane was shut down..they were compiling a list of all you idiots to detain.

:oyvey:

New rule:

Any American who voted for Bush should be banned from calling another person an 'idiot' for the rest of his or her life.

[ak1971]

:oyvey:

New rule:

Any American who voted for Bush should be banned from calling another person an 'idiot' for the rest of his or her life.

I did include my self in the aforementioned group

[TailgateNut]

Id be afraid that you woudl beat me with a crab leg



It's called "club" not "beat". Beating is required when using small (snow)crab legs.;D

[alkemical]

http://www.fee.org/in_brief/default.asp?id=2094

Big Brother Is Watching as He's Never Watched Before

May 21, 2008

by Becky Akers

Becky Akers is a historian and freelance writer in New York.

The Transportation Security Administration (TSA) recently installed millimeter-wave scanners at checkpoints in Los Angeles International Airport and New York's JFK. It already uses the technology at Sky Harbor in Phoenix, and it’s threatening to add more machines not only in these terminals but in others, too.

Millimeter waves bombard passengers with beams that penetrate clothing to show the body beneath. Victims don’t undress: the rays do it for them so screeners can find the weapons so many of us tape to our torsos. Never mind that no TSA employee anywhere has discovered a single terrorist, despite wandings, pat-downs, and the agency’s foot-fetish. Passengers now may have to perform a virtual strip-tease, too.

Currently, the agency subjects only passengers "selected" for "secondary screening" to a millimeter-wave scan, and then it offers Leviathan’s version of a choice: a screener will either grope them in the traditional pat-down or they can pose for pictures that might earn them big bucks from Playboy. The TSA claims that 90 percent of passengers prefer a millimeter-wave scan over a pat-down, but perhaps that’s due to the agency's bland description: "Millimeter wave detects weapons, explosives and other threat items concealed under layers of clothing without any physical contact. It is a promising alternative to the physical pat-down." No wonder Peter Bibring of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) says, "I don't think people are really aware of just how accurate and detailed the images are of their naked body."

The TSA hopes to eventually scan everyone boarding a plane, not just those unlucky passengers who lose the pat-down lottery. In fact, the agency’s been trying to dose us with millimeter waves and a sister technology, backscatter X-rays, for its entire six years of existence. Public outrage kept it dithering like a dirty old man awaiting the right moment to pounce: the "strikingly graphic images . . . reveal not only our private body parts, but also intimate medical details like colostomy bags,” the ACLU warns. "That degree of examination amounts to a significant assault on the essential dignity of passengers that citizens in a free nation should not have to tolerate.

To lull such prudes, the TSA promises to "remotely locate" the monitors revealing our nakedness so that the screeners leering at them can't see us in person. They supposedly can't save the images, either. And the agency claims our faces will be blurred, as if that somehow excuses stripping us of both our clothing and our constitutional freedom.

But TSA might as well stand for "Truth Seldom Appears." Screeners at checkpoints and monitors can communicate; only TSA honchos pretend they'll be saying, "No weapons detected on this suspect, Howie," instead of, "Whoa! What a bod! Get her name off her ticket, will ya?"

Alleging that the machines can't save images is just as preposterous. Initially the TSA insisted the contraptions "have zero storage capability, so the images cannot be stored, transmitted or printed." But manufacturers' websites touted their products' "storage capability" (though the feature can be disabled). Ergo, TSA chief "Kip" Hawley now asserts that our naughty pictures "will never be stored, transmitted or printed, and [they] will be deleted immediately once viewed." But how can he guarantee that screeners won't figure out how to enable "Save"? Employees could also photograph their monitors unless the TSA searches them for cell phones and cameras. That isn't very likely: despite the agency's penchant for searching us, it has refused to so abuse screeners—even when passengers accuse them of stealing jewelry or cash. At Boston Logan one summer day in 2005, John Wright put his $7,000 diamond-wedding ring, Rolex watch, and his wallet in a plastic bin while he walked through the metal detector; only his Rolex and wallet were still in the bin a few moments later. He figured one of the three screeners manning the checkpoint swiped his ring because no one else other than his wife was around. But authorities declined to search the trio because, says TSA spokeswoman Ann Davis, "employees aren't searched if there's insufficient evidence to warrant it."

Passengers should be that lucky. Meanwhile, how will a bureaucracy that can't keep screeners from swiping our belongings stop them from exploiting us with this newest toy?
Bootleg Pictures Coming to a Website Near You?

Look for a brisk business in bootlegged pictures of celebrities or folks whose bodies intrigue in some way. Barry Steinhardt of the ACLU believes that "you're going to start seeing those images all over the Internet. These images are going to have high commercial value." They may have high vengeance values, too. An angry ex- could post his former wife's image on a webpage, whether he works for the TSA or pays a friend who does to pirate the image.

At present, the agency pledges to choose passengers "randomly" for millimeter-wave scanning. But in 2004, screeners at Reagan National Airport in Washington, D.C., "randomly selected" passengers for pat-downs by kicking the magnetometers when attractive women walked through. They then forced these victims to strip for searches in stairwells. A horrified employee told ABC News, “That really incensed me that someone felt that they could just put on some gloves and they could just violate someone to that degree.”

Tragically, the idea allowing these assaults—that passengers deprived of all weapons, and therefore of all self-defense against terrorists, are safe passengers—is merely an assumption. No research substantiates it. Ditto for checkpoints: three American researchers could find "no comprehensive studies that evaluated the effectiveness of x ray screening of passengers or hand luggage, screening with metal detectors, or screening to detect explosives."

There may be less expensive, more efficient ways to secure planes, but no one knows because Congress unilaterally imposed a security system on aviation. The TSA is flying blind. It does what it does because it wants to, not because analysis shows that forcing passengers to pose for virtual nude photographs reduces the incidence of onboard weapons by, say, 58 percent.

The TSA’s false dichotomy—that screeners must either molest us or see us naked—is as absurd as the agency itself. There's a third choice: abolish the TSA. That would free the airlines to protect their customers effectively—and inoffensively.

(embedded links in original source)

[Bronco_Beerslug]

It's good you don't read things before you comment on them. Also look into items like carnivore, etc.
But, i shouldn't get in your way....I read it, know about "carnivore" and a world of other really "disturbing" things. Do I worry about paranoid writers, bloggers, etc... predicting the end of the world, no.

Didn't you say once you wouldn't live past 30 or something to that effect?

[alkemical]

I read it, know about "carnivore" and a world of other really "disturbing" things. Do I worry about paranoid writers, bloggers, etc... predicting the end of the world, no.

Didn't you say once you wouldn't live past 30 or something to that effect?


Ah, a one legged man with nothing to stand on.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Ah, a one legged man with nothing to stand on.So you now have reached 30 or beyond and wish to retract that statement?

[Inkana7]

Is the government compiling a secret list of citizens to detain under martial law?

Yes. And they have a car. And it runs on water, man!
http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/5/56/200px-70sFinaleCircle.png

[alkemical]

So you now have reached 30 or beyond and wish to retract that statement?

sorry, not there yet!!!!!


:)

[alkemical]

I will say that i thought Ruperts $$$$ would have bought hillary the election - so i know i was wrong on that pony.