DeWayne Robertson's Perception as a "Bust"

[Killericon]

Alright, so, as a defensive tackle taken 4th overall, it'd be fair to say that most people were expecting DeWayne to be pretty dominant in both the running game and the passing game. He was definitely not dominant in the pass game...As such, most people consider him to be a bust, but I think it'd be fair to say that in the 4-3, he was pretty good as a run-stopper.

Having said all that, the question is this:

Would DeWayne Robertson be considered a bust if he went somewhere in the 2nd half of the 1st round?

[Dudeskey]

1st round is still 1st round in my book... Lelie was drafted 19th overall & considered a bust

[Inkana7]

I didn't know Robertson was considered a bust. He played out of position and played well even with the injury concern. NY just didn't want to pay him that outrageous contract. Has he played up to #4 overall status? No, but that's not his fault. 3-4 NTs aren't drafted that high.

[FireFly]

1st round is still 1st round in my book... Lelie was drafted 19th overall & considered a bust

Yeah, but where is he now? RObertson is still a starting DT in the league

[Dudeskey]

Yeah, but where is he now? RObertson is still a starting DT in the league

For the record, I agree w/ you on Robertson. I was speaking more so on the op's question of whether a player is worthy of the prestigious 'bust' label if that failed prospect was drafted later in the 1st round.

[ohiobronco2]

I think if he fails here, he can officially be labeled a bust. I'll wait for the season to pass judgement. If he has a horrible season this year, we can't make excuses for him playing out of position, unless Shanny plays him at punter. Kind of hard to get sacks at the punter position.

[Merlin]

1st round is still 1st round in my book... Lelie was drafted 19th overall & considered a bust
If he had stayed in Denver, it might have looked a little different (especially with Cutler) ;)

[Killericon]

If he had stayed in Denver, it might have looked a little different (especially with Cutler) ;)

It's funny...Ashley Lelie circa 2004 is EXACTLY what this offense needs.

[Pat Bowlen]

Should I fire him if this poll finds him bust-worthy?

[400HZ]

Robertson ate the Chargers lunch in the '04 playoofs. We'll see this year igf 4 years of bone on bone arction in the knee has eroded his skills. It probably has.\

[SBboundBroncos]

Should I fire him if this poll finds him bust-worthy?

most certainly ROFL!

[BroncoBuff]

By all accounts, Robertson is and has been a beast in 4-3 defenses ... but his game fell off when Mangini brought the 3-4 to town two years ago. He's back to playing a 4-3 obviously, and we got him for next to nothing. He's worth it even if he only plays one year.

[Killericon]

The reason I started this thread was because someone had passed off our DeWayne aquisition as more of the aquiring injury-concern draft bust defensive lineman pattern. While the injury concern thing is obviously true, I think it's unfair to label him a bust from OUR perspective.

I'm personally(obviously) ****ing stoked about having him onboard.

[Popps]

Home team fans are usually a pretty good judge once a guy has left town and the homer-factor is gone.

Jets fans generally have good things to say about Robertson, except that he didn't fit the system. They blame the staff, not him for it not working out.

Contrast that with most Lions fans you talk to... who threw a ticker-tape parade and carried Boss Bailey's bags to the airport for him when he left.

I go out on a limb and say that Robertson ends up the better value of the two additions.

[worm]

Home team fans are usually a pretty good judge once a guy has left town and the homer-factor is gone.

Jets fans generally have good things to say about Robertson, except that he didn't fit the system. They blame the staff, not him for it not working out.

Contrast that with most Lions fans you talk to... who threw a ticker-tape parade and carried Boss Bailey's bags to the airport for him when he left.

I go out on a limb and say that Robertson ends up the better value of the two additions.

Maybe Jet fans are just more knowledgeable than Detroit fans? Otherwise they would know that Boss was misused just as much as Dwayne was. Did he even play in the nickel there?

You can, of course, knock Boss for his health issues....just like you can knock Dwayne for his potential health issues.

I will go out on a limb and say one of them will be successful...but I think it could just as easily be Boss.

[eddie mac]

Home team fans are usually a pretty good judge once a guy has left town and the homer-factor is gone.

Jets fans generally have good things to say about Robertson, except that he didn't fit the system. They blame the staff, not him for it not working out.

Contrast that with most Lions fans you talk to... who threw a ticker-tape parade and carried Boss Bailey's bags to the airport for him when he left.

I go out on a limb and say that Robertson ends up the better value of the two additions.

I think that Shaun Rogers would've made a better comparison because he plays the same position as Dwayne. Any Lions fans I know were a lot happier to get rid of him than Boss.

[Inkana7]

Robertson ate the Chargers lunch in the '04 playoofs. We'll see this year igf 4 years of bone on bone arction in the knee has eroded his skills. It probably has.\

You hope.

[Man-Goblin]

In the league 4 years and STILL can't do a standing back flip? BUST!

[Beantown Bronco]

Just goes to show how bad the Broncos' DTs have been when some are calling a guy a bust who would clearly have been the best DT by far on the Broncos roster the last few years.

[cmhargrove]

Ask me after the first 10 games of the season...

[Arkansas Bronco]

In the league 4 years and STILL can't do a standing back flip? BUST!

WTH!?! I just new if we traded for him he could do the back flip. We are screwed now.

[Kaylore]

He might be an underachiever for where he was drafted but that's not a bust. I think bust means third round pick or higher that is out of football in a few years. Seventh round picks can't bust. They're not supposed to make. First round talent should at least be starting and that's what he's doing so I say not a bust.

[400HZ]

You hope.

You guys are hoping that a first round bust in tenuous physical condition is going to save your D line...for what, the 4th time? :rofl:

Brown, Warren, Kennedy, Robertson. Who am I leaving off? :flower:

[Kaylore]

You guys are hoping that a first round bust in tenuous physical condition is going to save your D line...for what, the 4th time? :rofl:

Brown, Warren, Kennedy, Robertson. Who am I leaving off? :flower:

Brown played well when he saw the field. Warren did as well. Kennedy was never brought in as a savior in any form. Technically neither were the others you listed.

[400HZ]

Brown played well when he saw the field. Warren did as well. Kennedy was never brought in as a savior in any form. Technically neither were the others you listed.

Heh well I don't know. Robertson was probably a good risk/reward pickup, just like those other guys, but Mikey's trend towards those types of players is pretty comical from an outside perspective.

[Kaylore]

Heh well I don't know.
This is common knowledge around here.

[DenverBrit]

Heh well I don't know. Robertson was probably a good risk/reward pickup, just like those other guys, but Mikey's trend towards those types of players is pretty comical from an outside perspective.

Kind of like the comedy the Chargers have provided for decades.
It's time SD won something instead of just talking about their greatness......or they'll be back to being one of the NFL clown teams.
The San Diego Shriners has a nice ring.:spit:

[Drek]

Heh well I don't know. Robertson was probably a good risk/reward pickup, just like those other guys, but Mikey's trend towards those types of players is pretty comical from an outside perspective.

The reality of the situation is that elite DTs are not available anywhere outside the top 10 or so picks, and unlike every other team in the division we're never bad enough to pick that high.

So in order to find someone to play DT we're forced to acquire guys from other sources, i.e. trade and FA.

Can't be helped, unless of course we want to be a ****ty team for a decade or so, get lucky trading the first overall pick for rape jobs twice in that time span, and use all the stockpiled picks on early first round talent that we know aren't afraid to use a little juice.

[Paladin]

Don't you just detest sparkie fans who come to this board to talk smack about the Broncos, and the sparkie fans don't know Sheet from shinola about the team or the Broncos' FO? I tell ya, the quality of sparkie fans is just not up to NFL standards.....

[TheReverend]

Brown played well when he saw the field. Warren did as well. Kennedy was never brought in as a savior in any form. Technically neither were the others you listed.

Understatement of the year :wiggle:

[TheReverend]

The reality of the situation is that elite DTs are not available anywhere outside the top 10 or so picks, and unlike every other team in the division we're never bad enough to pick that high.

So in order to find someone to play DT we're forced to acquire guys from other sources, i.e. trade and FA.

Can't be helped, unless of course we want to be a ****ty team for a decade or so, get lucky trading the first overall pick for rape jobs twice in that time span, and use all the stockpiled picks on early first round talent that we know aren't afraid to use a little juice.

Is that really true? Can you make a list of "elite" DTs and where they were drafted? I'm banking on 90% are outside of the top 10.

[NaptownChief]

When you are drafted in the first round, any part and just a couple years later the team is struggling to trade you for anything more than a ham sandwich it is pretty fair to say you are a bust even if you were the 32nd pick.

[rovolution]

Is that really true? Can you make a list of "elite" DTs and where they were drafted? I'm banking on 90% are outside of the top 10.

Pat Williams: UDFA in 1997

Kevin Williams: #9 Overall in 2003

Casey Hampton: #19 Overall in 2001

Vince Wilfork: #21 Overall in 2004

Jamal Williams: 1998 Supplemental Draft 2nd Round choice

Albert Haynesworth: #15 Overall in 2002



Only one top 10 pick.

[Inkana7]

Pat Williams: UDFA in 1997

Kevin Williams: #9 Overall in 2003

Casey Hampton: #19 Overall in 2001

Vince Wilfork: #21 Overall in 2004

Jamal Williams: 1998 Supplemental Draft 2nd Round choice

Albert Haynesworth: #15 Overall in 2002



Only one top 10 pick.

John Henderson: #9 Overall, 2002
Marcus Stroud: #13 Overall, 2001
Tommie Harris: #14 Overall, 2004
Haloti Ngata: #12 Overall, 2006
Amobi Okoye(Future stud): #10 Overall, 2007

Expand the parameters to Top 15, and it encompasses most of the Elite or Soon to be Elite DTs in the NFL. Will you find later round gems? Yes. But after the 2nd round, the Talent at DT really diminishes.

[Ziggy]

Robertson has been a starting DT since he was drafted and has done a solid job despite playing out of position. That's not a bust in my book.

[Drek]

Is that really true? Can you make a list of "elite" DTs and where they were drafted? I'm banking on 90% are outside of the top 10.

Top 15 would probably make a better numerical argument I'm sure, but at its core I don't think anyone would argue with the premise.

Anyone who looks like even decent odds to be a solid NFL DT goes high in the draft. If they look like they could really produce they're a top 15 pick no question. Its easily the second weakest position in terms of the league wide talent pool in the NFL (QB is the worst, obviously).

But then, that should probably be expected because 300+ pounders who are fast, agile, strong, and yet despite all that took the time in college to develop real fundamentals and a work ethic instead of just relying on those natural gifts are pretty damn rare.

[DomCasual]

You guys are hoping that a first round bust in tenuous physical condition is going to save your D line...for what, the 4th time? :rofl:

Brown, Warren, Kennedy, Robertson. Who am I leaving off? :flower:

You do understand the difference between the words "savior" and "stopgap" - right?

Jay Cutler, when drafted, was considered a guy that could "save" our QB situation.

The guys you mentioned were brought in to be inexpensive veteran stopgaps on our DL.

There's kind of a big difference, and stuff.

[400HZ]

You do understand the difference between the words "savior" and "stopgap" - right?

Jay Cutler, when drafted, was considered a guy that could "save" our QB situation.

The guys you mentioned were brought in to be inexpensive veteran stopgaps on our DL.

There's kind of a big difference, and stuff.

Stopgaps until what, though? How many draft picks has Denver invested in the defensive tackle position lately?

[Inkana7]

Stopgaps until what, though? How many draft picks has Denver invested in the defensive tackle position lately?

2 in the past two years. One of them showed real flashes last season and looks to be the starter this year, and the other one was the best run-stuffing DT in college football throughout his career at VT. Harrell probably would have been picked instead of Moss, too, had Green Bay not snatched him up right before we traded up.

Courtney Brown and Jimmy Kennedy were NOT brought in to be 5+ year stalwarts at the DT position, no matter how much you want to paint it that way.

[summerdenver]

Courtney Brown and Jimmy Kennedy were NOT brought in to be 5+ year stalwarts at the DT position, no matter how much you want to paint it that way.

Also I don't think they were costly moves either. We used a sixth round for Kennedy and Brown was a free agent. Both siginings did not have any major impact on salary cap. Both were low risk options that did not quite pay off (Brown did play for a year).

[elsid13]

If someone can survive and start in NFL in for over 3 years you're not a bust. Everyone in the game in physical talented sometime they are just not in the right position to be successful as they could be

[TheReverend]

2 in the past two years. One of them showed real flashes last season and looks to be the starter this year, and the other one was the best run-stuffing DT in college football throughout his career at VT. Harrell probably would have been picked instead of Moss, too, had Green Bay not snatched him up right before we traded up.

Courtney Brown and Jimmy Kennedy were NOT brought in to be 5+ year stalwarts at the DT position, no matter how much you want to paint it that way.

Seriously...

Please never use those two in the same sentence again.

I threw up in my mouth.

[nickademus]

I love how chef fans are busting on Robertson when they just drafted a DT with health concerns with the 5th pick. They should be careful not to anger the football gods as carma as always is a biotch.

[sixtimeseight]

Dorsey's career will be less productive than Robertson's. You can take that to the bank.

[Atwater His Ass]

If someone can survive and start in NFL in for over 3 years you're not a bust. Everyone in the game in physical talented sometime they are just not in the right position to be successful as they could be

That doesn't apply if you're a top 5 draft pick. The bar is set at a higher level.

[Popps]

I think that Shaun Rogers would've made a better comparison because he plays the same position as Dwayne. Any Lions fans I know were a lot happier to get rid of him than Boss.

Perhaps, but I've yet to find anyone who roots for the Lions (given, I only know 3... which actually is a lot now that I think about it) .... who had anything good to say about Bailey. One of the top 3 educated football fans I know is a Lion's fan (sad) ... and described Bailey as a great athlete who couldn't tackle his own mother, that's when he wasn't in the locker room nursing an injury.

Conversely, the sentiment seemed mixed about Rogers. Dominant when he felt like it, which was only occasionally. I wasn't terribly disappointed we didn't land him, but it would have been interesting.

I like the Robertson move. It seems the best we're going to get from the defensive line-hating Mike Shanahan.

[NaptownChief]

Dorsey's career will be less productive than Robertson's. You can take that to the bank.



He will have to be the next Leon Bender to accomplish that.

[Beantown Bronco]

He will have to be the next Leon Bender to accomplish that.

*cough* Ryan Sims *cough*

[NaptownChief]

*cough* Ryan Sims *cough*


Excellent point, Bender would be considered wildly more successful than Sims....at least he didn't chew up a roster spot nor did he cost a big signing bonus.