The Real Mccain .com

[Spider]

http://therealmccain.com/

[Dudeskey]

I'll take flip flops for 300, Alex
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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[spdirty]

Its painfully obvious that the people are gonna get ****ed either way. If by miracle McKennedy picks a running mate I like, I might think about voting for him, then hope something happens to make the VP president. He'll pick some chump though and force me to write in my vote, which in turn is a vote for Obama.

Oh well. Nothing I can do, except try to take care of me while this country goes further into the shltter. Won't matter anyway though. The dems are gonna have such a huge advantage in the House and Senate that they will have all the power no matter who is president.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You can always vote for Bob Barr. Hilarious!

[spdirty]

You can always vote for Bob Barr. Hilarious!

I'm thinking either Keyes, Arpaio, Tancredo, or spider. Got 5 months to decide.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Kaylore]

McCain is the douche in this election.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Have you guys seen that thingsyoungerthanmccain.com site?

[Spider]

I really hate coming down on McCain like this , and I wont vist any more sites that tear him down , He is an honored vet , I may not see eye to eye with him , he may change his tune ( all politicians do ) , but I do believe McCain loves this country , I just disagree with the approach he will take ..Desnt make McCain evil ... I dont have the hatred for McSame as I do Bush though

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I really hate coming down on McCain like this , and I wont vist any more sites that tear him down , He is an honored vet , I may not see eye to eye with him , he may change his tune ( all politicians do ) , but I do believe McCain loves this country , I just disagree with the approach he will take ..Desnt make McCain evil ... I dont have the hatred for McSame as I do Bush though

I hear ya....but

the younger than mccain site is pretty funny:)

[Spider]

I hear ya....but

the younger than mccain site is pretty funny:)

;D I bet it is .But I dont want to become like a republican and do to McCain what they did to Kerry .... I believe the Republican party is paying the price for that . lost the house , Senate ,they will lose more seats , next election , a Democrat winning in Mississippi is an omen and they will lose the white house ......

[SonOfLe-loLang]

;D I bet it is .But I dont want to become like a republican and do to McCain what they did to Kerry .... I believe the Republican party is paying the price for that . lost the house , Senate ,they will lose more seats , next election , a Democrat winning in Mississippi is an omen and they will lose the white house ......

haha well, if its karma youre talking about then perhaps, but i think their complete ineptitude is reason more than their ****slinging (as to why they lost popularity in the country)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I really hate coming down on McCain like this , and I wont vist any more sites that tear him down , He is an honored vet , I may not see eye to eye with him , he may change his tune ( all politicians do ) , but I do believe McCain loves this country , I just disagree with the approach he will take ..Desnt make McCain evil ... I dont have the hatred for McSame as I do Bush though

I respect McCain's military service, but the way he has stabbed his country in the back these past eight years is unforgivable, IMO.

[Dudeskey]

Have you guys seen that thingsyoungerthanmccain.com site?

I remember when people were talking about things younger than Bob Dole back in '96

[spdirty]

wow...this from the younger than mccain site.

By law, many Federal employees are younger than John McCain.
http://www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/neo_capitol-300x208.jpg
According to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, Title 29 of U.S.C. Section 633a states that agencies are (permitted) “to establish a maximum age requirement only in instances where they have proven to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that age is a bona fide occupational qualification necessary for the performance of the duties of a particular position.”

Um, OK - I can think of such a position.

[Kaylore]

;D I bet it is .But I dont want to become like a republican and do to McCain what they did to Kerry .... I believe the Republican party is paying the price for that . lost the house , Senate ,they will lose more seats , next election , a Democrat winning in Mississippi is an omen and they will lose the white house ......

That's not why Republicans lost these last elections. It has nothing to do with the stupid swift boat veterans. I don't really see a difference between them and the way people come after Bush's service for his country either. Both were completely irrelevant to what was going on and good example of what's wrong with the national dialogue in this country in elections.

Bush pissed off the left with the war and pissed off the right by creating a bunch of bloated government programs and then not creating a way to pay for any of it. That's why Republicans will lose for awhile. They claim to be the party that doesn't spend and has fiscal responsibility. They showed they were the opposite in both cases and now Americans don't trust them. That's what you get when let a neocon in office.

However I do tip my hat to your laying off McCain for his service. I won't knock him for any of that. There's enough of the other stuff where I don't have to. :)

[Rigs11]

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[Rigs11]

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[Rigs11]

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Hilarious!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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[Rigs11]

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Look at his face when paul asks him the questionHilarious!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Look at his face when paul asks him the questionHilarious!

Ha ha ha! :rofl:

I can't wait to see him in the debates.

(But then again, the disaster monkey got hammered in all three debates and still "won" the election last time around.)

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I fear these are gonna be some ugly debates. neither are great debaters (although Obama is a great speaker). Still, with all of the issues that Obama supports as opposed to McCain, McCain will have a lot more explaining to do (war, economy...etc). So Obama SHOULD wreck him.

[spdirty]

I fear these are gonna be some ugly debates. neither are great debaters (although Obama is a great speaker). Still, with all of the issues that Obama supports as opposed to McCain, McCain will have a lot more explaining to do (war, economy...etc). So Obama SHOULD wreck him.

If you take the script and teleprompter away from him, and asked him to explain the difference between night and day, you will get uhhh, ummmm, well you see, uhhhh, which of the 57 states were you asking me about?

The guy is pathetic...Meanwhile, Hillary takes the toughest shlt O'Reilly can throw at her, and she comes off smelling like a rose, she looked like she was actually having fun, and the guy just could not trip her up. When Bill got a piece of McCains ass though, that got ugly...for McCain supporters that is.

[Rigs11]

If you take the script and teleprompter away from him, and asked him to explain the difference between night and day, you will get uhhh, ummmm, well you see, uhhhh, which of the 57 states were you asking me about?

The guy is pathetic...Meanwhile, Hillary takes the toughest shlt O'Reilly can throw at her, and she comes off smelling like a rose, she looked like she was actually having fun, and the guy just could not trip her up. When Bill got a piece of McCains ass though, that got ugly...for McCain supporters that is.

Who you voting for sp?Pathetic? that would be the current bumbling fool in the white house.Obama is going to destroy mccain in the debates. I'll bet you a steak dinner.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

If you take the script and teleprompter away from him, and asked him to explain the difference between night and day, you will get uhhh, ummmm, well you see, uhhhh, which of the 57 states were you asking me about?

The guy is pathetic...Meanwhile, Hillary takes the toughest shlt O'Reilly can throw at her, and she comes off smelling like a rose, she looked like she was actually having fun, and the guy just could not trip her up. When Bill got a piece of McCains ass though, that got ugly...for McCain supporters that is.

I said he wasnt the greatest debater in the world...but hes not a bumbling idiot either

[spdirty]

Who you voting for sp?


well if McCain picks a running mate I like, well, I might consider him and, well, nothing more needs to be said about that. McCain is such a disappointment though, that I wouldn't be surprised to see him pick a democrat. Most likely I'll write in though. My write in candidates are currently Keyes, Arpaio, Romney, Thompson, my dad, and spider...depends on how I feel when I wake up on election day. But I made the decision long ago that never again would I vote lesser of 2 evils.


Obama is going to destroy mccain in the debates. I'll bet you a steak dinner.

Thats a big negative on that bet. Ive seen Mcs debating skills, and saw how badly he was crushed in the primary debates. I wouldn't bet on him making it through a night without wetting the bed, nevertheless betting on him winning a debate with anyone...even a moron like Obama.

[spdirty]

I said he wasnt the greatest debater in the world...but hes not a bumbling idiot either

well if Dan Quayle is an idiot for not being able to spell potatoe, then what is a guy who can't remember that there are 50 states in this country?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Thats a big negative on that bet. Ive seen Mcs debating skills, and saw how badly he was crushed in the primary debates. I wouldn't bet on him making it through a night without wetting the bed, so I sure as hell wouldn't bet on him winning a debate with anyone...even a moron like Obama.

I was with you right up until the part about Obama being a "moron."

You don't graduate from Harvard Law School and become the president of the Harvard Law Review if you're a "moron," dummy! :poke:

[TailgateNut]

wow...this from the younger than mccain site.

By law, many Federal employees are younger than John McCain.
http://www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/neo_capitol-300x208.jpg
According to the U.S. Office of Personnel Management, Title 29 of U.S.C. Section 633a states that agencies are (permitted) “to establish a maximum age requirement only in instances where they have proven to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that age is a bona fide occupational qualification necessary for the performance of the duties of a particular position.”

Um, OK - I can think of such a position.



....and I thought republicans love to **** the old and aged.


and if you think about it, the young also.

[TailgateNut]

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Look at his face when paul asks him the questionHilarious!


Classic "deer in the headlights". This is the republican answer to the economic trainwreck we are witnessing.

[TailgateNut]

well if McCain picks a running mate I like, well, I might consider him.


This is from a BushBot who is considering just "a bit more of the same.

Spdirty: "I'll take party over country for $2000".

[alkemical]

McCain: I'd Spy on Americans Secretly, Too (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/mccain-id-spy-o.html)

[TailgateNut]

McCain: I'd Spy on Americans Secretly, Too (http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/06/mccain-id-spy-o.html)


Can't teach an old dog new tricks. Best thing to do is to euthanize the old bastard.

[Rigs11]

well if Dan Quayle is an idiot for not being able to spell potatoe, then what is a guy who can't remember that there are 50 states in this country?

Then by your logic Bush is also an idiot for referring to the internet as "internets".Or telling people that "too many OBGYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country".

[alkemical]

Then by your logic Bush is also an idiot for referring to the internet as "internets".Or telling people that "too many OBGYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country".

The unsticker one is a personal fav of mine.....

[Pseudofool]

McCain also misremembering his votes on Katrina/Hurricane aid as well. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/198760.php

[spdirty]

This is from a BushBot who is considering just "a bit more of the same.

Spdirty: "I'll take party over country for $2000".

I honestly have no clue who I am voting for and probably won't know until I am in the voting booth on election day. Election is still 5 months away, a lot can happen.

Never thought I would be in the 'undecided' column till the minute McSame got the nomination.

[Spider]

I honestly have no clue who I am voting for and probably won't know until I am in the voting booth on election day. Election is still 5 months away, a lot can happen.

Never thought I would be in the 'undecided' column till the minute McSame got the nomination.

:D it will be a **** storm on both sides , both sides will lie , steal , cheat , to get power , but there will be some truth in it , we just have to research , call bull**** on who ever is lying ;D

[Pseudofool]

More on McCain's Katrina lies: http://www.newsweek.com/id/140233

[spdirty]

:D it will be a **** storm on both sides , both sides will lie , steal , cheat , to get power , but there will be some truth in it , we just have to research , call bull**** on who ever is lying ;D

thats why your on the list of "people I might vote for."

Your still for gettin that oil shale right?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

June 4 CBS Poll: Obama Leads McCain by Six Points. Bush's Approval Rating Reaches New Low. Sixty-seven percent disapprove of the job Bush is doing - the highest such figure in CBS News polls since he assumed office. (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/04/opinion/polls/main4154051.shtml)

[Spider]

thats why your on the list of "people I might vote for."

Your still for gettin that oil shale right?
;D damn right I am

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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A new Gallup Poll summary of surveys taken in May shows Obama winning 62% of Latino registered voters nationwide, compared with just 29% for McCain. Others have found a wide gap as well. The pro-Democratic group Democracy Corps compiled surveys from March through May that showed Obama with a 19-point lead among Latinos. And a Times poll published last month showed Obama leading McCain among California Latinos by 14 points.

[spdirty]

;D damn right I am

Did a bit of reading on it last night.

800 billion barrels of recoverable oil...triple what Saudi has. If we could go get that, wouldn't need ANWR, Montana, South Dakota, basically wouldn't need to drill at all, and could tell Saudi Arabia to take their oil and shove it up their asses. But...http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/may/15/panel-defeats-attempt-end-oil-shale-moratorium/

****ing demoncats rejected it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

But...http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/may/15/panel-defeats-attempt-end-oil-shale-moratorium/

****ing demoncats rejected it.

:oyvey:

Like the Greedy Oil Party and your boy Dubya are doing SO much to combat high oil prices...



Consumer Watchdog's recommendations include:

White House action to sell some of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which contains the highest-demand oil known as light, sweet crude.

Closing the Enron Loophole in commodity trading regulation. A regulatory measure in the federal farm bill (S.2058 by Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Carl Levin) would help stop speculative oil pricing. The huge omnibus bill was returned to Congress to fix an error in the version that President Bush vetoed last month. Now the repaired bill has to be passed by the House and Senate again, Bush has vowed to veto it again, and then the House and Senate must override the veto, wasting yet more time.

(See more on Enron Loophole and farm bill amendment at http://www.oilwatchdog.org/articles/?storyId=18735 )

[spdirty]

:oyvey:

Like the Greedy Oil Party and your boy Dubya are doing SO much to combat high oil prices...

2 questions.

why in the hell is that amendment in the damn farm bill anyway???

and what is your position on the shale?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

why in the hell is that amendment in the damn farm bill anyway???

That sort of tactic always works for republicans.

Maybe they were trying to give Bush a dose of his own medicine?

and what is your position on the shale?

I'm not fully up to speed on the shale thing, I admit, but aren't we a ways away from actually being able to extract and/or refine it in a cost-effective manner?

I have no problem with pursuing it as long as the environmental risks don't outstrip the benefits and as long as the net energy equation balances out in the end.

[spdirty]

That sort of tactic always works for republicans.

Maybe they were trying to give Bush a dose of his own medicine?

So whats good for the goose is good for the gander eh?

I'm not fully up to speed on the shale thing, I admit, but aren't we a ways away from actually being able to extract and/or refine it in a cost-effective manner?

I have no problem with pursuing it as long as the environmental risks don't outstrip the benefits and as long as the net energy equation balances out in the end.

hope this helps

http://www.dailyreckoning.com/rpt/OilShale.html

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

So whats good for the goose is good for the gander eh?

Apparently - if you want to get past Bush.


hope this helps

http://www.dailyreckoning.com/rpt/OilShale.html

I read that article once before.

It sounds like the whole shale oil thing is still a work in progress.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Anyway, if Bush really wants to provide some sort of economic "stimulus" then instead of sending out a bunch of checks that are going to be spent largely on imported goods, why doesn't he support a bill to end speculative oil pricing?

Roughly 1/3 of the price of a barrel of oil is determined by speculative pricing - not supply and demand issues.

I think lowering the price of oil by 1/3 would yield a lot more mileage than a bunch of one-shot stimulus checks, don't you?

[Drek]

well if Dan Quayle is an idiot for not being able to spell potatoe, then what is a guy who can't remember that there are 50 states in this country?

Just as a heads up, there are 56 U.S. states and territories that all have separate elections.

So who's more right, someone who ignores American Samoa, Guam, the Virgin Islands, Puerto Rico, Marianas, and Washington DC, or someone who included them and happened to be one digit off (maybe he really cares about the 200 people who live on Wake Island)?

They all matter, thankfully an island boy like Obama understands just how biased this nation is in favor of its contiguous states.

And I find it pretty hard to take any stance seriously that tries to portray a guy who was a top student in Harvard's legal program (without the benefit of legacy), and then went on to teach at another premier law school, University of Chicago Law, where he was offered full professorships several times.

He's a more intelligent person than 90% of this country. At the same time he's a hell of a lot more motivated, and his education focuses on the legal rights of Americans, unlike many other recent political officials we've had who consider those more an obstacle to be overcome.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Did a bit of reading on it last night.

800 billion barrels of recoverable oil...triple what Saudi has. If we could go get that, wouldn't need ANWR, Montana, South Dakota, basically wouldn't need to drill at all, and could tell Saudi Arabia to take their oil and shove it up their asses. But...http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/may/15/panel-defeats-attempt-end-oil-shale-moratorium/

****ing demoncats rejected it.Complete BS! Please cite ONE credible source for this tripe.

[spdirty]

Anyway, if Bush really wants to provide some sort of economic "stimulus" then instead of sending out a bunch of checks that are going to be spent largely on imported goods, why doesn't he support a bill to end speculative oil pricing?

Roughly 1/3 of the price of a barrel of oil is determined by speculative pricing - not supply and demand issues.

I think lowering the price of oil by 1/3 would yield a lot more mileage than a bunch of one-shot stimulus checks, don't you?

yeah. whatever it takes to get this shlt down.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Anyway, if Bush really wants to provide some sort of economic "stimulus" then instead of sending out a bunch of checks that are going to be spent largely on imported goods, why doesn't he support a bill to end speculative oil pricing?

Roughly 1/3 of the price of a barrel of oil is determined by speculative pricing - not supply and demand issues.

I think lowering the price of oil by 1/3 would yield a lot more mileage than a bunch of one-shot stimulus checks, don't you?Just how would you do that (end participation in the free markets)?

[spdirty]

Complete BS! Please cite ONE credible source for this tripe.
Well, this says 1.5 trillion
http://www.dailyreckoning.com/rpt/OilShale.html


And this extreme right wing source known as npr says 800 billion as well...well, they cite the Rand Corporation.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5424033

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Well, this says 1.5 trillion
http://www.dailyreckoning.com/rpt/OilShale.html
And this extreme right wing source known as npr says 800 billion as well...well, they cite the Rand Corporation.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5424033

These aren't proven reserves they are unproven reserves (with only a 25 to 50% prospect of ever being found or developed). There currently is NO technology to squeeze oil out of shale profitably.

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The amount of oil in any particular oil field involves a degree of uncertainty (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserves) until the last barrel of oil is produced and the last oil well is abandoned. The following estimates are the best that could be obtained using publicly available data, and the confidence in them varies greatly from country to country. Estimates in developed countries are generally much more accurate than those for undeveloped countries. For instance, reserves estimates in the United States are considered highly accurate, while those in Iraq are highly uncertain. In many countries (particularly OPEC producers) the estimates may involve a great deal of political influence. The raw data underlying reserves estimates is considered a state secret in some countries, so independent assessments of their reserves cannot be made.
<table class="wikitable"><caption>Summary of Reserve Data as of 2007</caption> <tbody><tr> <th rowspan="2">Country</th> <th colspan="2">Reserves ¹</th> <th colspan="2">Production ²</th> <th>Reserve life ³</th> </tr> <tr> <th>10⁹ bbl</th> <th>10⁹ m³</th> <th>10⁶ bbl/d</th> <th>10³ m³/d</th> <th>years</th> </tr> <tr> <td>Saudi Arabia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia)</td> <td align="right">260</td> <td align="right">41</td> <td align="right">8.8</td> <td align="right">1,400</td> <td align="right">81</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Canada (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canada)</td> <td align="right">179</td> <td align="right">28.5</td> <td align="right">2.7</td> <td align="right">430</td> <td align="right">182</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Iran (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran)</td> <td align="right">136</td> <td align="right">21.6</td> <td align="right">3.9</td> <td align="right">620</td> <td align="right">74</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Iraq (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq)</td> <td align="right">115</td> <td align="right">18.3</td> <td align="right">3.7</td> <td align="right">590</td> <td align="right">101</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Kuwait (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuwait)</td> <td align="right">99</td> <td align="right">15.7</td> <td align="right">2.5</td> <td align="right">400</td> <td align="right">108</td> </tr> <tr> <td>United Arab Emirates (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Arab_Emirates)</td> <td align="right">97</td> <td align="right">15.4</td> <td align="right">2.5</td> <td align="right">400</td> <td align="right">107</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Venezuela (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuela)</td> <td align="right">80</td> <td align="right">13</td> <td align="right">2.4</td> <td align="right">380</td> <td align="right">91</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Russia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia)</td> <td align="right">60</td> <td align="right">9.5</td> <td align="right">9.5</td> <td align="right">1,510</td> <td align="right">17</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Libya (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libya)</td> <td align="right">41.5</td> <td align="right">6.60</td> <td align="right">1.8</td> <td align="right">290</td> <td align="right">63</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Nigeria (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigeria)</td> <td align="right">36.2</td> <td align="right">5.76</td> <td align="right">2.3</td> <td align="right">370</td> <td align="right">43</td> </tr> <tr> <td>United States (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States)</td> <td align="right">21</td> <td align="right">3.3</td> <td align="right">4.9</td> <td align="right">780</td> <td align="right">12</td> </tr> <tr> <td>Mexico (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico)</td> <td align="right">12</td> <td align="right">1.9</td> <td align="right">3.2</td> <td align="right">510</td> <td align="right">10</td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="6"><small>Notes:</small> <dl><dd><small>1 Claimed or estimated reserves in billions (10⁹) of barrels (converted to billions of cubic metres). (Source: Oil & Gas Journal, January, 2007)</small></dd><dd><small>2 Production rate in millions (10⁶) of barrels per day (converted to thousands of cubic metres per day) (Source: US Energy Information Authority, September, 2007)</small></dd><dd><small>3 Reserve life in years, calculated as reserves / annual production. (from above)</small></dd></dl></td></tr></tbody></table>

[Spider]

These aren't proven reserves they are unproven reserves (with only a 25 to 50% prospect of ever being found or developed). There currently is NO technology to squeeze oil out of shale profitably.


Yes there is , we have been over this .... and the 1.5 trillion barrels is a fact

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Yes there is , we have been over this .... and the 1.5 trillion barrels is a factNo one or no process can currently squeeze shale profitably, that is the fact. And I just showed our reserves, read up a post or two.

[Spider]

No one or no process can currently squeeze shale profitably, that is the fact. And I just showed our reserves, read up a post or two.

Bull**** .... Instu is working and Shumbugler is working on a Co2 injection system that works also ........ those charts mean **** . none of them include the Bakkin oil patch ......

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Bull**** .... Instu is working and Shumbugler is working on a Co2 injection system that works also ........ those charts mean **** . none of them include the Bakkin oil patch ......You need to understand what proven and unproven reserves mean. And yes, the Bakken formation is included.

[Spider]

You need to understand what proven and unproven reserves mean. And yes, the Bakken formation is included.

LOL they had no clue about how much was in Bakken until about 7 months ago ..... and that 1.5 trillion is there....... they have proven methods that works ...
I dont know why you cling to Peak oil myth , But the only problem with Shale oil is it is a lower grade of Oil , but the 1.5 trillion barrels is there , and they can extract it from the ground for 12.00 a Barrel ......

[Bronco_Beerslug]

LOL they had no clue about how much was in Bakken until about 7 months ago ..... and that 1.5 trillion is there....... they have proven methods that works ...
I dont know why you cling to Peak oil myth , But the only problem with Shale oil is it is a lower grade of Oil , but the 1.5 trillion barrels is there , and they can extract it from the ground for 12.00 a Barrel ......Oh please, try and do a little research. And the Bakken formation has been known for decades.

The Bakken Formation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakken_Formation), initially described by geologist J.W. Nordquist in 1953,[1] is a rock unit from the Late Devonian to Early Mississippian age occupying a substantial part of the subsurface of the Williston Basin, in Montana, North Dakota, and Saskatchewan.

It is estimated that there is are significant reservoirs of oil shale beneath the Bakken's 200,000 square miles (520,000 km²). There were first discovered in 1951, but have long frustrated efforts to extract oil. An April 2008 USGS report estimated the amount of technically recoverable in the Bakken Formation at 3.0 to 4.3 billion barrels, with a mean of 3.65 billion.[2] The state of North Dakota also released a report that month which estimated that there are 2.1 billion barrels of technically recoverable oil in the Bakken.[3]

[Spider]

Oh please, try and do a little research. And the Bakken formation has been known for decades.

Much Like the research you have done on Shale ?
And no they didnt know about the full amount of Bakken until 7 months ago , still may not know the entire amount .....

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Much Like the research you have done on Shale ?
And no they didnt know about the full amount of Bakken until 7 months ago , still may not know the entire amount .....I have done many hours research on shale and participated in building industrial structures and compounds to extract it.

I just posted the technical estimates for the Bakken formation in the previous post.

[Spider]

Hell even today they are still not done determining how much is in Bakken , but what they have found as of March 31 st increased our Oil 10x

[Spider]

I have done many hours research on shale and participated in building industrial structures and compounds to extract it. and yet I have seen ways to extract it , didnt need no buildings . the trick is heating up the shale , yo udont have ot squeeze it out like tar sands ......

I just posted the technical estimates for the Bakken formation in the previous post.

No you posted on what they have found so far .. they are still studying that field . nothing is final , probably wont be for another 10 years

[Spider]

Oil is just like any other trade , you have to stay current , if I took a truck driver that hasnt driven a truck in the last 10 years , put him in a truck of today , he would be lost .....

[Bronco_Beerslug]

and yet I have seen ways to extract it , didnt need no buildings . the trick is heating up the shale , yo udont have ot squeeze it out like tar sands ...... Uh, yes you do and heating it to do so has been tried for decades, just the methods differ.

No you posted on what they have found so far .. they are still studying that field . nothing is final , probably wont be for another 10 yearsNo, I posted what they suspect is in the formation, that is how it is done. And....

While these numbers would appear to indicate a massive reserve, the percentage of this oil which might be extracted using current technology is another matter. Estimates of the Bakken's technically recoverable oil have ranged from as low as 1% — because the Bakken shale has low porosity, making the oil difficult to extract — to Leigh Price's estimate of 50% recoverable.[10] Reports issued by both the USGS and the state of North Dakota in April 2008 seem to indicate the lower range of recoverable estimates are more realistic with current technology.

This is why I suggested researching the definitions of proven and unproven reserves.

[Spider]

Hold on I know who to call to settle this ...... BRB

[Spider]

Some guy named Price estimated 900 tirillion barrels in Bakken including North western South Dakota , Half of North Dakota ,Eastern Montana , and southern Canada ... Shumbluger is prepared to go into Parts of Bakken and attempted the Co2 method , With the New tech , Mike believes that 200 Billion barrels can be recovers ( low estimate )

[Spider]

Mike is a driller for Black Hills ........ He also is talking about some field in Southern Utah ..... I guess that is a mother load also .....

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Some guy named Price estimated 900 tirillion barrels in Bakken including North western South Dakota , Half of North Dakota ,Eastern Montana , and southern Canada ... Shumbluger is prepared to go into Parts of Bakken and attempted the Co2 method , With the New tech , Mike believes that 200 Billion barrels can be recovers ( low estimate )See my previous post. Your driller is embellishing things by about 899.75 trillion barrels.

[Spider]

See my previous post.

I did . . but yo uare wrong on the tech they use to get this oil ...... I have seen it work for myself ........ wel lexcept the Co2 for Shale ....... I have seen Co2 Anadarko is doing in midwest Wyoming o the salt creek field ..... thay isnt shale , and they have revived that field

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I did . . but yo uare wrong on the tech they use to get this oil ...... I have seen it work for myself ........ wel lexcept the Co2 for Shale ....... I have seen Co2 Anadarko is doing in midwest Wyoming o the salt creek field ..... thay isnt shale , and they have revived that fieldCO2 injection is fairly new but has been around for a little while now. And notice the date of the estimates of recoverable oil in that post and who made them.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

And one other point, oil drilling should be moving down our list of priorities instead of up. We should be aggressively pursing alternative and renewable energy, spending hundreds of billions doing so. We could be creating whole new industries and leading the world producing these technologies and selling them to the rest of the world.

[Spider]

CO2 injection is fairly new but has been around for a little while now. And notice the date of the estimates of recoverable oil in that post and who made them.

Co2 hasnt been tried up there yet ......Point is every expert thought the Salt creek field was dead ...... Anadarko went in took it over from Aamaco and Howell , and is turning a profit , I have seen the Instu plant in meeker work , and if they can get out out of those rugged Mountains , they can get it out of the Bakken patch ...... Co2 on Shale is brand new Idea , I dont know if it works or not , I havent seen it used on shale as of yet ..... But Schlumbulger J believes is will work ...... + I have been seeing alot of Sanjek trucks running around

[Spider]

And one other point, oil drilling should be moving down our list of priorities instead of up. We should be aggressively pursing alternative and renewable energy, spending hundreds of billions doing so. We could be creating whole new industries and leading the world producing these technologies and selling them to the rest of the world.

Long term , but we still need short term solutions , renewable energy would be great , but it isnt here now

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Long term , but we still need short term solutions , renewable energy would be great , but it isnt here nowOf course it is, in many, many forms. We just aren't pursing it because Big oil and gas say so (in DC).

[Spider]

Of course it is, in many, many forms. We just aren't pursing it because Big oil and gas say so (in DC).

No it isnt , show me a form or alternative fuel that could power 80 K up and down Mountains ? or preform in harsh winter , or Heat of summer , City driving etc ...... I isnt that we are addicted to oil , we are addicted to power , and roaming .....

[Bronco_Beerslug]

No it isnt , show me a form or alternative fuel that could power 80 K up and down Mountains ? or preform in harsh winter , or Heat of summer , City driving etc ...... I isnt that we are addicted to oil , we are addicted to power , and roaming ..... Oh c'mon, hybrids, wind power generation, solar, FuturGen coal, on and on. All of this and more needs to be developed so we can get off oil, that's the point.

[Spider]

Oh c'mon, hybrids, wind power generation, solar, FuturGen coal, on and on. All of this and more needs to be developed so we can get off oil, that's the point.

None of them will power a 18 wheeler ... this country would stop if trucks stopped

[Bronco_Beerslug]

None of them will power a 18 wheeler ... this country would stop if trucks stoppedUh, the point is to move past oil and our dependence on the ME by researching and developing alternative and renewable energies. We are not doing that, we are spending our money on the Iraq invasion and occupation, Bush's missile defense cash cow for his buddy companies, Bush's Medicare fraud program, etc...

[Spider]

Uh, the point is to move past oil and our dependence on the ME by researching and developing alternative and renewable energies. We are not doing that, we are spending our money on the Iraq invasion and occupation, Bush's missile defense cash cow for his buddy companies, Bush's Medicare fraud program, etc...

This I would agree with , but my point is , there is no reasoning for the high oil prices .......Believe me , I would love never to fuel again , it takes me on the average 30-40 minutes to fuel ...... Thats getting the pump turned on , paying for Fuel .... That isnt including the time it takes me to get back up to highway speed ..... A typical fuel stop with out me eating can cost me an hour and a half .....

[Bronco_Beerslug]

This I would agree with , but my point is , there is no reasoning for the high oil prices .......Believe me , I would love never to fuel again , it takes me on the average 30-40 minutes to fuel ...... Thats getting the pump turned on , paying for Fuel .... That isnt including the time it takes me to get back up to highway speed ..... A typical fuel stop with out me eating can cost me an hour and a half .....I know you guys are struggling along with everyone else. I unload 5 to 10 trucks a week on our site. I try and have my guys get them back on the road as fast as possible.

[Spider]

I know you guys are struggling along with everyone else. I unload 5 to 10 trucks a week on our site. I try and have my guys get them back on the road as fast as possible.

That helps alot ... the sooner we are empty , the sooner we can try and reload ...... Some times Minutes are very valuable.......I have missed loads by 5 minutes

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Right now I have some friends bunkered up in Baghdad because the rockets were so bad where they worked. This has been going on for a couple of weeks.

I am currently under a Red alert which means I am supposed to planted face down with my fingers interlaced protecting my head. Screw that.

I agree with the premise that if you shoot the bad guys you don't have to hide from them. I agree that the surge has worked but there would not have been any surge if they had LISTENED to Colin Powell at the beginning of this.