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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-30-2008, 06:55 PM
There is, it seems to me, an area in the political discussion which has been woefully ignored for much, much too long. Historical fact: Prior to the rise of the radical right some 30 years ago, America was the most innovative, most prosperous, most vital nation on the face of the Earth. And it wasn’t just an obscenely rich fraction of one percent skewing the numbers, either…like it is today. Broad-based, bottom-up prosperity–in which liberal Democratic administrations specialize–really DID lift all boats. Lean in close and let me whisper to you an uncomfortable truth that the GOP will never dare mention…

Republicans are the rogues and rapscallions who took a hearty, robust economy that was the envy of the entire world and ran it into the ground. I’m not merely talking about the current fiscal catastrophe that is looming before us; no, I’m concerning myself here more with how we got this way, how the cheap-labor conservatives conspired, deliberately and with malice aforethought, to lay us low…for that is precisely what they did.

Follow me down and I’ll show you how…

Did you know that ALL recessions since the 1930’s, save one, have taken place under Republican presidents? True fact. The single exception occurred at the conclusion of World War II during the administration of Harry S. Truman and it was one predictable consequence of ending a war. It was also the shortest, as well as the shallowest. Contrast that with the fact that we are now enduring our SECOND recession due to the gross mismanagement of that congenital idiot and the band of thugs in his administration.The irrepressible BartCop, whom I quite enjoy, is fond of saying “It’s the Republicans’ job to crash the economy so the super-rich can swoop in and buy companies and assets for pennies on the dollar.” (Vol. 2139, in “Quotes” near the top of his page) Now, this is a bit on the simplistic side, but in essence, it’s EXACTLY what they do! And another for good measure: “Never trust a Republican. It’s their job to crash the economy so their billionaire friends can buy once-healthy companies for pennies on the dollar, fire the employees and sell the assets for profit.” (Vol. 1064, in “First term job growth” near the middle of his page) I’m not embedding links here because if you’ve ever visited the Tequila Treehouse, you know that it’s laid out as all one page: Disregard these words at your peril.

Need I remind you here about the Great Depression? That worldwide catastrophe was brought to your predecessors courtesy of the Republican Party. After Warren Gamaliel Harding was elected president in 1920…and died two years later, vice president Calvin Coolidge took over the Oval Office. He served out the remainder of Harding’s term and was reelected in 1924, serving until he was replaced by yet another hardline GOoPer, Herbert Hoover, in January of 1929. One of the worst of the outrages perpetrated by “Silent Cal” was the transformation of the Federal Trade Commission, through his appointees, from an agency intended to regulate corporations into one dominated BY Big Business, FOR Big Business. Sound familiar?

Looking back on the so-called “Roaring Twenties,” hindsight quickly reveals the abjectly corrosive nature of Republican ideology. Andrew W. Mellon–at that time one of the three wealthiest men in America!–was Harding’s Secretary of the Treasury and Coolidge kept him on, a voracious fox charged with guarding the henhouse. Mellon’s maniacal dedication to such hair-brained schemes as income tax cuts, inheritance tax cuts and an aggressively pro-business agenda coupled with utter disdain for fiscal caution, resulted in skyrocketing debt…and made the decade appear to “roar.” It also served as camouflage for underlying economic weakness. Farmers were already in an economic depression at the time and it was a widening income disparity which ultimately caused the bottom to drop out of the Stock Market on “Black Tuesday,” October 29, 1929. Bank deposits were withdrawn in a frenzy after that and something on the order of NINE THOUSAND banks failed between 1930 and 1932.

Your GOP at work!

And if you think they’re not trying for a rerun, you just haven’t been paying close enough attention. Did somebody mention Bear Stearns?? The vast gulf between the “have mores” and all the rest of us is at its greatest point since then, excepting only the tech-bubble years of 1999 and 2000. It’s no secret that wages have stagnated…but creative book-cooking has hidden the extent of it. Just over a year ago, it was revealed that in the midst of unparalleled corporate profits, we also have record poverty.

How bad is it really? Well, don’t expect THIS administration to come clean…but the US Mint tells us that it’s now illegal to melt down NICKELS AND PENNIES because they’re worth more in ingots. (This leads me to wonder why the government would even bother to continue minting coins that cost more than their face value. But I digress…)

Haven’t you noticed that there isn’t really much that you want to buy anymore? Oh, I don’t mean that monster 42-inch plasma HDTV that makes you salivate just walking past it in the electronics store or those ridiculous speakers that can blow your hair around if you stand in front of them. I’m talking about the little necessities, the unsexy, everyday things like mops, brooms, shelving, shoes, clothing. Nowadays, everything is a choice between what you can tolerate, what you’ll settle for, what you don’t detest outright. For example, everything–EVERYTHING–that’s sold at Payless Shoe Source comes from China…or some equally disreputable cheap-labor cespool. Can you say that you really LIKE that stuff? You can still purchase real leather shoes that are hand-stiched and heavenly on your feet…if you want to pay an arm and a leg for them.

It’s the same story with clothing. Well-crafted items of apparel are still being made from quality material by workers who care what they’re doing…you just can’t afford them anymore! I refuse to even set foot in a Wal-Mart because they are the major enablers of Third World sweatshops. (They also take advantage of their employees, their customers, their neighborhoods and the general environment, but the litany of their sins is not my focus here; you know it as well or better than I do.) Nor do I buy those designer sneakers…and for the very same reason. Those shoes aren’t made in ANY country where they would have to pay their workers a decent, living wage. (I refer you here to the 1998 Michael Moore movie “The Big One,” where Big Mike confronted Phil Knight, the CEO of Nike, on-screen about his business practices. Good stuff…)

Among the things for which I despise Wal-Mart, its very success is perhaps the biggest. These are rapacious people, the embodiment of avarice. The Walton family has more money than Midas…and it’s not enough!! Furthermore, their Republican allies in government have steadily and relentlessly undermined the Middle Class to the extent that they very nearly have no other choice about where to shop. This isn’t the result of globalization that we’re talking about here, it’s the end product of 3+ decades of deliberate GOP class warfare in their pre-meditated attempt to eradicate all those popular benefits of liberal policies that WORKED, policies like the New Deal, the Great Society and the War on Poverty. This is no accident.

Take grocery stores, for example. I recall when there was no alternative to the big chain grocery store like A & P, Kroger’s, Food Lion and Giant Eagle. Now, with people pressed to feed their families on wages which have not kept up with inflation, there are limited assortment grocery outlets making inroads into what used to be exclusive territory for the big guys. German-based Aldi Foods has met with huge success here in America utilizing its concepts of central distribution, limited assortment, private brands and stores without any frills whatsoever. (You even buy the bags in which to pack your groceries!) Close on their heels is Sav-A-Lot, a subsidiary of food distributor SuperValu, who has taken the very same strategy pioneered by Aldi and made it work for them as well. Imitation is the sincerest form or something. Sharp Shopper and PriceRite are newcomers…but it’s a good bet that you’ll be hearing from them soon.

To get the full impact of what these unclean Republicans have wrought in our once proud country, you have to turn off the computer, get up and go outside. I live in the Great Lakes area of the Midwest, not long ago the most heavily-industrialized area in the entire world. It has subsequently come to be known as the Rust Belt…and those of you who do not live here cannot possibly grasp the spot-on accuracy of that epithet. Our economic situation here is probably worse than some places…and undoubtedly better than some others. We have no shortage of water, for example. But it ain’t no Swiss picnic…

Departure of the steel industry has turned Youngstown, Ohio into a hopelessly low-income ghost town just as the passing of the rubber industry did to Akron, Ohio. The Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that a total of 235,900 manufacturing jobs were lost in just that one state between 2000 and 2007. These dark days I can drive past a super-abundance of half-empty–or even entirely abandoned!–strip shopping centers. The ones that still have a few remaining commercial tenants seem to be top-heavy with dollar stores selling bright, shiny trash imported from Third World ratholes; cellphone outlets with giant signs for FREE! PHONES! and discount closeout stores filled with damaged, expired merchandise. There might be a fast food chain restaurant or two, dealing in high cholesterol, factory farm burgers or grotesque sub sandwiches stuffed with don’t-wanna-know-what’s-in-it lunchmeat. (Ah, but the bread is baked fresh on-site!)

And let us not forget the ubiquitous and sleazy little payday loan joints that seem to sprout up like weeds in those places. You know the ones: They’ve got names such as Cashland, LoanSmart, Advance America and Money Mart. They’re all decked out with signs in eye-catching primary colors, fresh new facades and attractive clerks…but they’re pushing the same old usury that was disreputable in the ancient days of Plato. I came across my first article touching on the evils of this new wrinkle in loan-sharking a year and a half ago at dollarsandsense.org. It’s a dandy; go read. It tackles multiple aspects of the burgeoning Fringe Economy of which payday loans provide just one; also included are pawnshops, check-cashers, tax refund lenders, rent-to-own stores and “buy here/pay here” used car lots. These ravening greedweasels have targeted those most vulnerable in our society…surprise, surprise, surprise.

You see, desperate people are wont to do incredibly stupid things when their backs are up against the wall and they believe the wolf is at their door. Borrowing against the receipt of one’s next check certainly qualifies as payday lenders typically charge an annual interest rate in the 300-400% range…and that’s EXCLUDING fees and penalties. If you’ve taken out a loan for $300, for example, with a due date two weeks in the future, paying back that loan may well eat up most or all of your forthcoming paycheck…and your payday then becomes THEIR payday! And what exactly do you live on in the meantime? A recent study quoted here found that the average payday loan sucker takes out EIGHT loans in a given year and ultimately pays $800 for that $300 loan! And back in impoverished Ohio, an umbrella group representing some 600 nonprofit agencies found that the state is home to over 1650 payday extortionists, more than all of Ohio’s McDonald’s, Burger Kings and Wendy’s franchises PUT TOGETHER. That’s just wrong.

Fortunately, the runaway proliferation of these parasites has attracted the attention of Ohio lawmakers and they are all but certain to be reined in. Similar changes are occurring in South Carolina, Arkansas and New Hampshire among others. One small victory…

Of course, there’s more to this sordid story. Please stay tuned.

http://writechic.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/the-republican-erosion-of-america/

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-30-2008, 07:06 PM
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Stormontheplains
05-01-2008, 12:21 AM
thanks for showing me the light, I will now vote a straight GOP ticket!!! You da man

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-01-2008, 12:50 AM
thanks for showing me the light, I will now vote a straight GOP ticket!!! You da man

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Rohirrim
05-01-2008, 01:23 PM
The irony is that the one thing these rapacious bastards fear more than anything is the kind of class warfare that leads to out and out socialism, and yet their greed pushes them to that exact reactionary outcome. It's the Louis XIV syndrome played out over and over again; The aristocrat carriages running over children in the muddy streets until the proletariat rises up and starts bashing their brains out.

W*GS
05-01-2008, 02:23 PM
Simplistic class warfare rhetoric lifted from Marx is nonsensical and silly in 2008.

Rohirrim
05-01-2008, 02:42 PM
Simplistic class warfare rhetoric lifted from Marx is nonsensical and silly in 2008.

Yeah, right. The swing of history has suddenly stopped in the 21st century.

W*GS
05-01-2008, 04:23 PM
Today isn't the same as England in the 1840s.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-01-2008, 05:54 PM
Look who's doing the simplistic thinking now.

Two cultures/eras do not have to be "the same" to exhibit similar social/economic dynamics.

For a guy who is "not a Republican," W*GS is always amazingly quick to defend the Greedy Old Party.

W*GS
05-01-2008, 09:42 PM
Two cultures/eras do not have to be "the same" to exhibit similar social/economic dynamics.

Show me how 2008 America is like 1840s England. Provide a list.

For a guy who is "not a Republican," W*GS is always amazingly quick to defend the Greedy Old Party.

Which of my statements "defend" the GOP?

Show me, or shut up.

mhgaffney
05-01-2008, 09:58 PM
LABF,

I believe that the US economy was already in deep doo-doo back in 1998 - 1999 under Clinton. According to Mike Ruppert -- in the 1990s the US banking community became dependent on laundered drug money (coke/heroin etc) to the tune of $500-1,000 billion a year. And all because of our weakened economy -- with jobs and manufacturing going off shore.

This is why I believe the CIA and US militarists, with the collusion of Wall Street bankers, engineered 9/11. It was an act of desperation -- to mobilize popular support for the use of military force to seize the oil fields of the Mideast -- to save the US dollar and economy. Sheer desperation.

The facts about Able Danger suggest that the planning for 911 started under Clinton (who was probably kept in the dark) as early as 1998-99.

It was also done at the behest of Israel.

But as we know the plan back fired. Horribly. And the only solution the criminal neocons are offering us is -- more of the same -- more war.

What makes me apoplectic is the thought that, despite all of this -- and all that has happened, our nation might actually re elect another neo con, i.e. McCain -- out of sheer racism.

It could happen. This is why I was cautious about Obama from the start. It looked then and todays looks even more like M Dukakis all over again. Deja vu.

Our nation could not stand four more years of the present policies.

Will our countrymen and women EVER wake up? How bad does it have to get?

Rohirrim
05-02-2008, 08:59 AM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-23-2008, 06:26 AM
It's a Republican's job to ruin the economy so the super-rich can eat the bones of the poor.

They do this with tax cuts for the super-rich, which drains the economy and kills jobs so the little guy can't get ahead. http://www.bartcop.com/chart-jobs-2003.jpg

Does this look like a coincidence to you?
http://www.bartcop.com/chart-unemploy-2003.jpg
Does this?
http://www.bartcop.com/chart-def-2004.gif
Or this?

They say it's cyclical - and they're right.

The economy grows when the Democrat's in office and
it dies when a Fascist liar practices his voodoo economics.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-23-2008, 06:29 AM
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L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-29-2008, 07:52 PM
War Killing the Economy

(http://www.truthout.org/article/war-spending-furthers-al-qaeda-goal-undermining-us-economy)
Link (http://www.truthout.org/article/war-spending-furthers-al-qaeda-goal-undermining-us-economy)

Excerpt:
As the Congress takes up the latest Bush administration 'supplemental' appropriation of another $160 billion for the war in Iraq, the impact of the war on families has been enormous. Montana now has the highest number per capita of killed or wounded in the country - 26.09 per 100,000 population - and a total of 250 deaths or injuries as of May 10. In fact, the Congress should consider whether the funding - almost a trillion dollars to date - helps al-Qaida more than us.

W*GS
05-29-2008, 10:06 PM
Just more proof that LABF is a socialist.

REB
05-29-2008, 10:33 PM
This is why I believe the CIA and US militarists, with the collusion of Wall Street bankers, engineered 9/11.

The facts about Able Danger suggest that the planning for 911 started under Clinton (who was probably kept in the dark) as early as 1998-99.

It was also done at the behest of Israel.




Oh brother http://smileys.on-my-web.com/repository/MSN_Emoticons/MSN-Emoticon-123.gif

snowspot66
05-29-2008, 10:54 PM
Show me how 2008 America is like 1840s England. Provide a list.


It's not England but this should do.

The French Revolution of 1789-1799

Louis XV fought many wars, bringing France to the verge of bankruptcy, and Louis XVI supported the colonists during the American Revolution, exacerbating the precarious financial condition of the government. The national debt amounted to almost 2 billion livres. The social burdens caused by war included the huge war debt, made worse by the monarchy's military failures and ineptitude, and the lack of social services for war veterans.

Maybe your right. I don't really see how that one applies. Next on the list.

An inefficient and antiquated financial system unable to manage the national debt, both caused and exacerbated by the burden of a grossly inequitable system of taxation.

Lets see what else there is.

The continued conspicuous consumption of the noble class, especially the court of Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette at Versailles, despite the financial burden on the populace.

What do oil company execs buy these days? Is there anything left that they don't have? What do you get a man who has everything? I know! A fiftieth house because nobody owns more than 49.

High unemployment and high bread prices, causing more money to be spent on food and less in other areas of the economy.

Well we're getting there.

Widespread famine and malnutrition, which increased the likelihood of disease and death, and intentional starvation in the most destitute segments of the population in the months immediately before the Revolution. The famine extended even to other parts of Europe, and was not helped by a poor transportation infrastructure for bulk foods. (Some researchers have also attributed the widespread famine to an El Niño effect,[2] or colder climate of the little ice age combined with France's failure to adopt the potato as a staple crop[3])

The weather was out to ****em back then too.

This was all found in two minutes at this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

Yeah it's wikipedia but it just so happens that this information is accurate and gets the point across. If all the art history classes I've had to take in the past have taught me anything it's the French Revolution and what a ****ed up time it was.

I will give you this though. You were right. It's not like England of the 1840's.

It's like France of the 1790's. Would you like Freedom Fries with that?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-29-2008, 11:05 PM
It's not England but this should do.

The French Revolution of 1789-1799

Louis XV fought many wars, bringing France to the verge of bankruptcy, and Louis XVI supported the colonists during the American Revolution, exacerbating the precarious financial condition of the government. The national debt amounted to almost 2 billion livres. The social burdens caused by war included the huge war debt, made worse by the monarchy's military failures and ineptitude, and the lack of social services for war veterans.

Maybe your right. I don't really see how that one applies. Next on the list.

An inefficient and antiquated financial system unable to manage the national debt, both caused and exacerbated by the burden of a grossly inequitable system of taxation.

Lets see what else there is.

The continued conspicuous consumption of the noble class, especially the court of Louis XVI and Marie-Antoinette at Versailles, despite the financial burden on the populace.

What do oil company execs buy these days? Is there anything left that they don't have? What do you get a man who has everything? I know! A fiftieth house because nobody owns more than 49.

High unemployment and high bread prices, causing more money to be spent on food and less in other areas of the economy.

Well we're getting there.

Widespread famine and malnutrition, which increased the likelihood of disease and death, and intentional starvation in the most destitute segments of the population in the months immediately before the Revolution. The famine extended even to other parts of Europe, and was not helped by a poor transportation infrastructure for bulk foods. (Some researchers have also attributed the widespread famine to an El Niño effect,[2] or colder climate of the little ice age combined with France's failure to adopt the potato as a staple crop[3])

The weather was out to ****em back then too.

This was all found in two minutes at this link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution

Yeah it's wikipedia but it just so happens that this information is accurate and gets the point across. If all the art history classes I've had to take in the past have taught me anything it's the French Revolution and what a ****ed up time it was.

I will give you this though. You were right. It's not like England of the 1840's.

It's like France of the 1790's. Would you like Freedom Fries with that?

:yep: ^5

snowspot66
05-29-2008, 11:36 PM
I should clarify that I don't see us going the way of the French Revolution. It was a cluster**** and basically got them nowhere. It only led to more unrest later on and even more beheadings.

But it can in no way be considered a good thing when you are able to draw parallels between your government and the French Government of the late 18th century.

yavoon
05-30-2008, 12:05 AM
I should clarify that I don't see us going the way of the French Revolution. It was a cluster**** and basically got them nowhere. It only led to more unrest later on and even more beheadings.

But it can in no way be considered a good thing when you are able to draw parallels between your government and the French Government of the late 18th century.

Vague useless and inaccurate parallels. America still has one of the wealthiest populace's in the history of the planet. Half the crap you say is absurd. For example:

"High unemployment and high bread prices, causing more money to be spent on food and less in other areas of the economy.

Well we're getting there."

There was a time when people thought unemployment couldn't get this low because of problems with structural unemployment. I mean 5%? You do realize that lots of places in europe are 10-15%, and that doesn't even take into account europe's chronic underemployment problem. Europe has had unemployment in excess of 10% for decades, and can sometimes spike to 20%.

Also as a % of income americans spend LESS on food now than 20 years ago. So again, horribly ignorantly wrong.

But why let stupid things like "facts" get in your way. You've got "truthiness." Facts are just distractions from the real story.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-30-2008, 12:12 AM
LMAO @ Yvonne trying to defend the GOP's record of the last eight years.

Oh well - I guess you have to give him credit for taking on a task that makes defending O.J. Simpson seem like a piece of cake by comparison.

:laugh:

snowspot66
05-30-2008, 01:13 AM
You can state all the facts you want about the recent economy compared to the one of twenty years ago. The only thing that matters is the now and near future as far as I and most Americans are concerned.

We pay less for food as a % now as compared to 20 years ago? I don't care what % it took up 20 years ago. Right now prices are skyrocketing as politicians shovel our corn crops into gas tanks and gas prices still set record highs.

Statistics can be interpreted however you want them to be. Five percent unemployment still means over 15 million Americans can't find work and it will in all likelihood only get worse in the near future.

Statistics don't matter nearly as much as real public perception. Right now public perception is that things are not as good as they used to be and that's a bad bad thing. People see rising costs all around them and an economy going in the ****ter. You can state all the statistics you want but it won't make anybody happy about the economy or politics of the day. THAT is a perfect parallel to late 18th century France. Politicians and executives are getting richer and the people are getting poorer and pissed off. Nothing you can say can defend this administration's effects on the economy.

yavoon
05-30-2008, 01:53 AM
You can state all the facts you want about the recent economy compared to the one of twenty years ago. The only thing that matters is the now and near future as far as I and most Americans are concerned.

We pay less for food as a % now as compared to 20 years ago? I don't care what % it took up 20 years ago. Right now prices are skyrocketing as politicians shovel our corn crops into gas tanks and gas prices still set record highs.

Statistics can be interpreted however you want them to be. Five percent unemployment still means over 15 million Americans can't find work and it will in all likelihood only get worse in the near future.

Statistics don't matter nearly as much as real public perception. Right now public perception is that things are not as good as they used to be and that's a bad bad thing. People see rising costs all around them and an economy going in the ****ter. You can state all the statistics you want but it won't make anybody happy about the economy or politics of the day. THAT is a perfect parallel to late 18th century France. Politicians and executives are getting richer and the people are getting poorer and pissed off. Nothing you can say can defend this administration's effects on the economy.


Facts getting in the way of fearmongering is inconvenient, I agree.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-30-2008, 02:19 AM
You can state all the facts you want about the recent economy compared to the one of twenty years ago. The only thing that matters is the now and near future as far as I and most Americans are concerned.

We pay less for food as a % now as compared to 20 years ago? I don't care what % it took up 20 years ago. Right now prices are skyrocketing as politicians shovel our corn crops into gas tanks and gas prices still set record highs.

Statistics can be interpreted however you want them to be. Five percent unemployment still means over 15 million Americans can't find work and it will in all likelihood only get worse in the near future.

Statistics don't matter nearly as much as real public perception. Right now public perception is that things are not as good as they used to be and that's a bad bad thing. People see rising costs all around them and an economy going in the ****ter. You can state all the statistics you want but it won't make anybody happy about the economy or politics of the day. THAT is a perfect parallel to late 18th century France. Politicians and executives are getting richer and the people are getting poorer and pissed off. Nothing you can say can defend this administration's effects on the economy.

Exactly. :thumbsup:

Yvonne's "logic" in this thread is no different from those right-wing pinheads who defend high gas prices by saying "they're really not high at all when adjusted for inflation." :D

Breaker
05-30-2008, 04:27 AM
Republicans are the rogues and rapscallions who took a hearty, robust economy that was the envy of the entire world and ran it into the ground.


The economy was already heading down the tubes in late 1999 - 2000 before Bush even came into office as any reasonably intelligent person knows. Good thing the Democrats made sure the books didn't get cooked by the dot comers .... o wait they didnt

Did you know that ALL recessions since the 1930’s, save one, have taken place under Republican presidents?

More simplistic uneducated small minded liberal idiocy to blame it on the "President"

It is the mark of a small mind to simply say "whichever party had the President is at fault" as LABF is trying to do. Instead you have to look at not only who was president, but also who was in control of the House and Senate over that period of time. From 1948 to 1994, the Democrats controlled Congress and the Senate ...does that mean they were responsible? Not entirely. The Republicans held the presidency for 32 of those 56 years...does that mean they were responsible? No. Both parties have to share the credit for all of the economic problems AND successes. DEMOCRAT OR REPUBLICAN.... ITS BOTH PARTIES FAULT!!!

Contrast that with the fact that we are now enduring our SECOND recession due to the gross mismanagement of that congenital idiot and the band of thugs in his administration.

Again this nation was ALREADY sliding into a depression when 9/11 happened so at best this could be the first.

The irrepressible BartCop, whom I quite enjoy, is fond of saying “It’s the Republicans’ job to crash the economy so the super-rich can swoop in and buy companies and assets for pennies on the dollar.

More simplistic lies from a moron. Republicans emphasize the role of corporate and personal decision making in fostering economic prosperity. They support the idea of individuals being economically responsible for their own actions and decisions., something completely foreign to any Democrat on this earth who just want a hand out and think their paychecks are to be used for nothing but fun as opposed to bills and responsibilities ... you know that thing called life. Republicans favor a free-market, policies supporting business, (in other words all business not just the huge ones that some what like you to believe) economic liberalism, and fiscal conservatism but with higher spending on the military.

Need I remind you here about the Great Depression? That worldwide catastrophe was brought to your predecessors courtesy of the Republican Party. After Warren Gamaliel Harding was elected president in 1920…and died two years later, vice president Calvin Coolidge took over the Oval Office. He served out the remainder of Harding’s term and was reelected in 1924, serving until he was replaced by yet another hardline GOoPer, Herbert Hoover, in January of 1929.

The period that is called the Great Depression contained two periods of recession. The first began in August of 1929 (two months before the stock market crash) and ended in March of 1933. In other words the first recession ended when Hoover left in March of 1933. In the first recession the value of goods and services that the economy produced fell by about 42% (but only by 36% once the effects of price changes are eliminated). The recovery in the four years that followed was slow and not completed (under a Republican President if you want to lay blame) by the time the second recession began (under a Democrat, if you really want to lay blame). The second recession lasting 13 months from May 1937 until 1938, output fell by 9% (but only 6% when the effects of changes of prices are eliminated) this presided over by a Democrat who's policies did nothing to help. It is important to realize that FDR's policies allowed an additional drop from the pre-existing drop so don't pull the percentages argument cause it does not fly, especially since the first recession was ending and economic indicators started to increase in 1933.

http://ingrimayne.com/econ/EconomicCatastrophe/GreatDepression.html

Looking back on the so-called “Roaring Twenties,” hindsight quickly reveals the abjectly corrosive nature of Republican ideology. Mellon’s maniacal dedication to such hair-brained schemes as income tax cuts, inheritance tax cuts and an aggressively pro-business agenda coupled with utter disdain for fiscal caution, resulted in skyrocketing debt…and made the decade appear to “roar.”

If by roar you mean increased GDP and decreased unemployment then yes, but then again the same thing happened in the late 1990s under Clinton.

[B]It also served as camouflage for underlying economic weakness.

Holy crap that also sounds like the late 1990s under a Democrat ..only he got out of office before the sh*t really hit the fan so he has ducked a ton of the blame.

And if you think they’re not trying for a rerun, you just haven’t been paying close enough attention. Did somebody mention Bear Stearns??

Excuse me but predatory lending practices by a private company are the fault of a President .... guess that means the dot com bust can be put squarely on Clintons shoulders, whats good for the goose is good for the gander right?

The vast gulf between the “have mores” and all the rest of us is at its greatest point since then, excepting only the tech-bubble years of 1999 and 2000.

A product of a Democrat reign had the largest gap between the have mores and have less, yet no one was screaming about that inequity on the Democrats side at that point. Guess that goes to show that Democrats only really care about those differences when it become politically expedient for them to do so, nice job guys.

It’s no secret that wages have stagnated…but creative book-cooking has hidden the extent of it. Just over a year ago, it was revealed that in the midst of unparalleled corporate profits, we also have record poverty.

Flat out lie. The highest percentage of individuals living below the poverty line was in 1959 at 22.4%, under yes, a Republican with a House and Senate dominated by the Democrats, hmmmm maybe both are to blame, ya think? Democrats that held office when it was higher than it is now include the Democrat Golden Boy JFK, Andrew Johnson and Jimmy Carter, only at that time Democrats also held the House and the Senate, but just ignore that little fact on the LABF disinformation train.

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/poverty/histpov/hstpov2.html

Haven’t you noticed that there isn’t really much that you want to buy anymore? Oh, I don’t mean that monster 42-inch plasma HDTV that makes you salivate just walking past it in the electronics store or those ridiculous speakers that can blow your hair around if you stand in front of them. I’m talking about the little necessities, the unsexy, everyday things like mops, brooms, shelving, shoes, clothing.

Really, you don't WANT to buy the unsexy things, thats a freaking shock, however you do it to stay alive.

This isn’t the result of globalization that we’re talking about here, it’s the end product of 3+ decades of deliberate GOP class warfare in their pre-meditated attempt to eradicate all those popular benefits of liberal policies that WORKED, policies like the New Deal, the Great Society and the War on Poverty. This is no accident.

wow, amazing how these policies didn't end the Great Depression or end poverty. In fact more recessions have occurred during the "entitlement period" than the preceding two hundred years, but don't let facts get in the way of a nice rant.

Departure of the steel industry has turned Youngstown, Ohio into a hopelessly low-income ghost town just as the passing of the rubber industry did to Akron, Ohio.

The economy is transitioning from a industrial one to a information tech economy. Many of the same growing pains where felt when the economy transitioned from a agricultural to industrial economy, just not as severe. Taking uneducated farmers and putting them to work making a widget is different than an uneducated widget maker fixing a comp. Of course the rise of the environmental movement in the 60's, 70's, and 80's made industrialization increasingly unpopular, leading to the increased movement of such practices off shore, along with increased minimum wage requirements, and taxes. Don't Democrats take credit for the environmental movement, higher minimum wage, and higher taxes on corporations ... wow guess that is something to ponder. Gone are the days in which many opportunities abounded for uneducated people to make a great living in the industrial world, unfortunately there is a huge bulge of the boomer population that was dependent upon that and now they are in trouble


The overriding point that I am making is that everyone single one of our elected representatives, Democrat and Republican alike share blame for the bad and credit for the good, we are all Americans and it is everyone's problem. This no doubt appears to be a right wing rant, however its just pointing the idiocy of a simplistic liberal trying to throw everything bad on the opposite party, the fact that LABF posted it as some sore of factual and accepted piece of literature just shows that he is as much of a liar as the author, but then we already know that don't we.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-30-2008, 06:44 AM
(Insert the foregoing long list of already-discredited right-wing talking points and disinfo here.)

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/EPH/7762~You-Can-t-Fix-Stupid-Posters.jpg

W*GS
05-30-2008, 09:56 AM
LABF always puts up a Bush-related bitmap when he can't refute someone's argument.

The previous post is an example - the smears are just the icing on the cake.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-30-2008, 09:59 AM
What part of "already-discredited" doesn't W*GS get?

He must've missed that part in his haste to spring to the GOP's rescue.

W*GS
05-30-2008, 10:28 AM
"Yet another bartcop bitmap" is not the definition of "discredited".

Just because you cover your ears and say "neener neener neener" doesn't mean you've refuted anything.

Of course, any argument that doesn't apportion all blame to the GOP and completely exonerates your beloved Democratic Party is suspect in your twisted Wyler's-drinking worldview...

Breaker
05-31-2008, 06:55 AM
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/EPH/7762~You-Can-t-Fix-Stupid-Posters.jpg

Perfect example of LABF, the fool who cant think for himself. You rely on others intelligence, cartoons, and high fives and smiley faces to make any sort of point. Just out of curiosity what do you do for a living? My guess is janitor, or some other job that requires zero education at all.

Breaker
05-31-2008, 06:57 AM
http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/EPH/7762~You-Can-t-Fix-Stupid-Posters.jpg

Read "LABF is to retarded and uneducated to come up with anything that refutes said points and makes his original post look moronic, so I am going to try and dodge it by simply posting an idiotic cartoon, that way I can be safe in my belief that I actually have a brain while most others realize I do not"

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-31-2008, 09:19 AM
Perfect example of LABF, the fool who cant think for himself. You rely on others intelligence, cartoons, and high fives and smiley faces to make any sort of point. Just out of curiosity what do you do for a living? My guess is janitor, or some other job that requires zero education at all.

As usual, you have everything bass-ackwards.

It's this kind of post that makes you such a laughing stock around here.

You are nothing but a bullsh*tter who regurgitates right-wing talking points created by other bullsh*tters in the effort to cover for the biggest bullsh*tter of them all: George W. Bush.

I'm not sure which is more troubling: your willful ignorance or your complete disregard for whether what you're saying actually corresponds to facts in the real (or virtual) world.

It's unthinking knuckle draggers like you who make it possible for the George W. Bushes of the world to get elected.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
05-31-2008, 09:30 AM
Read "LABF is to(sic) retarded and uneducated to come up with anything that refutes said points and makes his original post look moronic, so I am going to try and dodge it by simply posting an idiotic cartoon, that way I can be safe in my belief that I actually have a brain while most others realize I do not"

"Your" points have already been refuted (by myself and others) so many times in the history of this forum it's ridiculous.

It's not my fault that you're still working from four year old GOP talking points and the same old, tired right-wing revisionist history we've been hearing from Rehab Rush since he first picked up a microphone.

And the idea of a Bush supporter casting aspersions on someone else's intelligence is just too hysterical. Ha!

W*GS
05-31-2008, 09:49 AM
Don't take anything LABF says too seriously... He's a liar.

mhgaffney
05-31-2008, 11:17 AM
The fearmongers are the criminals (i.e., terrorists) in the White House.

A good stiff dose of Orwellian paranoia now is just what the doctor ordered to awaken us from our collective amnesia.

Wake up America! You were stampeded into war by liars and criminals who live right here in America. Wake up to the fact that the enemy is among us. 9/11 was an inside job staged by elements of the US military and intelligence commnity.

They've been doing it all over the world since the end of WW II. Sooner or later it was bound to come home to our shores.

MHG

spdirty
05-31-2008, 11:31 AM
The fearmongers are the criminals (i.e., terrorists) in the White House.

A good stiff dose of Orwellian paranoia now is just what the doctor ordered to awaken us from our collective amnesia.

Wake up America! You were stampeded into war by liars and criminals who live right here in America. Wake up to the fact that the enemy is among us. 9/11 was an inside job staged by elements of the US military and intelligence commnity.

They've been doing it all over the world since the end of WW II. Sooner or later it was bound to come home to our shores.

MHG

LOL

W*GS
05-31-2008, 02:36 PM
A good stiff dose of Orwellian paranoia now is just what the doctor ordered to awaken us from our collective amnesia.

Right.

9/11 was an inside job staged by elements of the US military and intelligence commnity.

http://anglopapist.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/tin-foil-hat.jpg

W*GS
05-31-2008, 02:52 PM
It's like France of the 1790's.

Well, no. For one thing, no matter how you try to spin it, GWB isn't Louis XVI.

W*GS
05-31-2008, 02:53 PM
Five percent unemployment still means over 15 million Americans can't find work [...]

Wrong. The unemployment figure isn't a percentage of the total population.

want2bAbronco2
05-31-2008, 03:59 PM
LABF, who do you want in the office? Hilliary or Oboma? I work at a prision with lots of Al-Qaida and they are jumping up and down thrilled saying "you guys are all mad/screwed because Oboma is the next Pres." Something is wrong when Al-Qaida are happy about him. I have a bad feeling about him.

Breaker
05-31-2008, 11:14 PM
As usual, you have everything bass-ackwards.

It's this kind of post that makes you such a laughing stock around here.

You are nothing but a bullsh*tter who regurgitates right-wing talking points created by other bullsh*tters in the effort to cover for the biggest bullsh*tter of them all: George W. Bush.

I'm not sure which is more troubling: your willful ignorance or your complete disregard for whether what you're saying actually corresponds to facts in the real (or virtual) world.

It's unthinking knuckle draggers like you who make it possible for the George W. Bushes of the world to get elected.

I am the laughingstock around here, now the is funny coming from you. Notice how all you did was go on the offensive and call me names instead of answering the question or even trying to prove my points incorrect. Instead they simply became "right wing talking points" as if you don't simply engage in providing us all "left wing talking points". I use factual evidence from reputable sources and you cite a blog ROFL!

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-01-2008, 05:53 AM
I am the laughingstock around here,


QFT.

You and every other Kool-Aid chugger who is still covering for Bush and the Greedy Oil Party at this stage of the game.