william ayers in 2007

[yavoon]

since I'm sure its of interest to someone here.

"It’s worth coming together forty years later and saying what is that spirit that we recognize that we can build on? What is that spirit that we want to connect to? That spirit of rebellion, the spirit of resistance, the spirit of insurgency, and spirit. It’s that spirit that we should be talking about. But just to give us a little perspective, I’m reminded of something that Chou En Lai, the Chinese premier under Mao Tse Tung, Chou En Lai was asked by a European reporter if he could comment on the impact and his thinking of the French Revolution, in terms of the Chinese experience. And Chou En Lai thought about it for quite a long time, and he said the French Revolution? Too early to tell. And I think there’s something to that, you know, that I mean if you take the long view, empire’s in decline. If you take the long view, there’s a lot to look forward to. So many of us have watched with absent horror as we’ve been marched, step by step, towards an authoritarianism that was unthinkable forty years ago. "

"Empire resurrected and unapologetic, war without end, an undefined enemy that’s supposed to be a rallying point for a new kind of energized jingoistic patriotism, unprecedented and unapologetic military expansion, white supremacy changing its form, but essentially intact, attacks on women and girls, violent attacks, growing surveillance in every sphere of our lives, on and on and on, the targeting of gay and lesbian people as a kind of a scapegoating gesture to keep our minds off of what’s really happening. "

and his wife:

"And it was an incredible thing for him to say, the greatest purveyor of violence on this Earth is my own country. There were certainly other purveyors of violence. I think that that’s still true today. If we think it’s true today, that has incredible implications for all of us right now. We who are, as we used to say, in the belly of the beast. It again means not that it’s the only purveyor of violence in the world, but that we have an extraordinary, special responsibility, not necessarily the most enviable one, of how to act here inside the heart of the monster. "

once again, very standard fare among the left, similar to his pastor. god damn america, america is a monster, america is the enemy. a racist, capitalist(used as insult) society that is destroying the world. **** america, **** american values and **** american history.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Big deal. Some old pissed off hippie professor from the '60's gave Obama's campaign $200 and sat on a board with him once. You need a girl friend.

[yavoon]

Big deal. Some old pissed off hippie professor from the '60's gave Obama's campaign $200 and sat on a board with him once. You need a girl friend.

he's not a hippie professor from the 60's. he's a terrorist from the 60's and a professor NOW. he is also unrepentant about being a terrorist.

but thanks for commenting on my sex life, that will certainly be an effective argument.

[footstepsfrom#27]

he's not a hippie professor from the 60's. he's a terrorist from the 60's and a professor NOW. he is also unrepentant about being a terrorist.
He's a professor who used to be a hippie and a commie sympathizer 40 years ago. He tried blow up a building...or several depending on what version of this story you read...and the government declined to prosecute. He's a left over lefty from another era...one of millions of '60's kooks who haven't bit the dust yet. Some of them even became semi-respectable people and run companies. This one turned into a professor and he gave the Obama campaign a whopping $200. Who gives a crap? How many people do you think contributed that or close to it to his campaign? The numbers are staggering. I wonder who funded King George?

What do you think...he and Obama have some secret hideout in Chicago where they sit around dreaming up ways to bomb buildings or poison the water supply? You're an idiot.
but thanks for commenting on my sex life, that will certainly be an effective argument.
Just giving you a helpful hint on how to overcome your little obsession.

[Spider]

He's a professor who used to be a hippie and a commie sympathizer 40 years ago. He tried blow up a building...or several depending on what version of this story you read...and the government declined to prosecute. He's a left over lefty from another era...one of millions of '60's kooks who haven't bit the dust yet. Some of them even became semi-respectable people and run companies. This one turned into a professor and he gave the Obama campaign a whopping $200. Who gives a crap? How many people do you think contributed that or close to it to his campaign? The numbers are staggering. I wonder who funded King George?

What do you think...he and Obama have some secret hideout in Chicago where they sit around dreaming up ways to bomb buildings or poison the water supply? You're an idiot.

Just giving you a helpful hint on how to overcome your little obsession.

:rofl:

[yavoon]

He's a professor who used to be a hippie and a commie sympathizer 40 years ago. He tried blow up a building...or several depending on what version of this story you read...and the government declined to prosecute. He's a left over lefty from another era...one of millions of '60's kooks who haven't bit the dust yet. Some of them even became semi-respectable people and run companies. This one turned into a professor and he gave the Obama campaign a whopping $200. Who gives a crap? How many people do you think contributed that or close to it to his campaign? The numbers are staggering. I wonder who funded King George?

What do you think...he and Obama have some secret hideout in Chicago where they sit around dreaming up ways to bomb buildings or poison the water supply? You're an idiot.

Just giving you a helpful hint on how to overcome your little obsession.

I'm not sure which point you want to argue, that ayers is a normal fella, or that it doesn't matter to obama. you seem to want to try both and see if one sticks. as to the former you're insane, an unrepentant terrorist, and communist revolutionary isn't who I'd put on a list of good people, as to the latter you may or may not be right.

ayers crimes happened in the 70's. the case was dropped due to prosecution misconduct. and I don't think millions of ppl from the 60's(or 70's) are terrorists. sure there were some misguided communist sympathizers, or people infatuated with fidel or mao, useful idiots abound. but ayers is not a useful idiot, he is the real deal, and from the looks of it the rhetoric hasn't slowed down one bit.

[cutthemdown]

I heard Obama is going to make this dude atty general.


just kidding

[baja]

he's not a hippie professor from the 60's. he's a terrorist from the 60's and a professor NOW. he is also unrepentant about being a terrorist.

but thanks for commenting on my sex life, that will certainly be an effective argument.

Some consider him a patriot,

[footstepsfrom#27]

It's utterly remarkable to me how much the GOP fears Barack Obama. Think back over the years and ask yourself...when's the last time a presidential candidate's minister and some vague, highly random associations with a few missguided oddballs over the years and half a dozen selective quotes ripped from their context constituted the bulk of what the party of ethical values had available in their attack arsenal? What?...no evidence of illicit sexual affairs? No dirty dealing backroom office corruption scandals? No under the table smoking guns or paper trails linking him mobsters or gay sex in bathroom stalls? Nothing to forge a knockout blow from some kind of genuine front page shocker? The best they can come up with on this guy is what his preacher and his wife said and the fact that a local Chicago politico/professor who 40 years ago was a subversive once sat on a non profit board with him and coughed up $200 for his campaign. SCANDALOUS!

McCain has a TRUE record of corruption in his background...not a peep out of anyone hurling stones at Obama on that score though.

[yavoon]

It's utterly remarkable to me how much the GOP fears Barack Obama. Think back over the years and ask yourself...when's the last time a presidential candidate's minister and some vague, highly random associations with a few missguided oddballs over the years and half a dozen selective quotes ripped from their context constituted the bulk of what the party of ethical values had available in their attack arsenal? What?...no evidence of illicit sexual affairs? No dirty dealing backroom office corruption scandals? No under the table smoking guns or paper trails linking him mobsters or gay sex in bathroom stalls? Nothing to forge a knockout blow from some kind of genuine front page shocker? The best they can come up with on this guy is what his preacher and his wife said and the fact that a local Chicago politico/professor who 40 years ago was a subversive once sat on a non profit board with him and coughed up $200 for his campaign. SCANDALOUS!

McCain has a TRUE record of corruption in his background...not a peep out of anyone hurling stones at Obama on that score though.

so many idiocies so little time. first ayers also held a fundraiser for obama at his house.

oh you are crying about context? there is no context that helps either of them, wright is a racist and black nationalist, and ayers is STILL a communist revolutionary. and obama has almost no paper trail. besides being the FARTHEST left senator in the senate and like you say, a few other things. so ppl look there. as for more normal political scandals there is tony rezko, and his wife's pay at a hospital for doing what looks to be almost nothing besides being married to a senator.

the reality is obama wants to run this entire campaign on promises made and rhetoric delivered while campaigning. you profess his "lack of scandals" as some amazing virtue when, 1)its a lie, 2)he's young.

but please, continue to defend unrepentant terrorists and black nationalists as "misunderstood" and "out of context" cuz that just lets everyone else fire back with how much bullcrap that is.

[yavoon]

Some consider him a patriot,

definitely true.

[footstepsfrom#27]

so many idiocies so little time. first ayers also held a fundraiser for obama at his house.

oh you are crying about context? there is no context that helps either of them, wright is a racist and black nationalist, and ayers is STILL a communist revolutionary. and obama has almost no paper trail. besides being the FARTHEST left senator in the senate and like you say, a few other things. so ppl look there. as for more normal political scandals there is tony rezko, and his wife's pay at a hospital for doing what looks to be almost nothing besides being married to a senator.

the reality is obama wants to run this entire campaign on promises made and rhetoric delivered while campaigning. you profess his "lack of scandals" as some amazing virtue when, 1)its a lie, 2)he's young.

but please, continue to defend unrepentant terrorists and black nationalists as "misunderstood" and "out of context" cuz that just lets everyone else fire back with how much bullcrap that is.
I can feel almost feel your fear.

All the crap you have doesn't amount to a flea on a hippo's ass compared to the mountains of dirt Bush and his cronies and the newest handpicked corporate lackey Keating Five McCain bring to the table.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I can feel almost feel your fear.

All the crap you have doesn't amount to a flea on a hippo's ass compared to the mountains of dirt Bush and his cronies and the newest handpicked corporate lackey Keating Five McCain bring to the table.

Bingo. :yep:

GOP disinfo artists like Yvonne are like people who constantly call your attention to a guy shoplifting a pack of chewing gum while their friends are robbing a bank next door.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You need a girl friend.

Maybe there's an Internet dating service for semi-literate bigots.

I can just hear Yvonne's testimonial: "When I saw her step from her '75 F-150 with the gun rack and the 'death to all Muslims' sticker, it was love at first sight." ;)

[yavoon]

I can feel almost feel your fear.

All the crap you have doesn't amount to a flea on a hippo's ass compared to the mountains of dirt Bush and his cronies and the newest handpicked corporate lackey Keating Five McCain bring to the table.

you seem to be fantasizing about me a lot. and sure go ahead make threads about mccain and the ppl you don't like. I'm not getting in your way. jeremiah wright is still a racist, black nationalist. and william ayers is still an unrepentant terrorist and communist revolutionary. and obama had a VERY close relationship with wright, and a somewhat more tangential one with ayers, while also being the FARTHEST LEFT member of the senate. he has repeatedly spouted, sometimes to his great consternation very common far left/socialist talking points, including when he called small town america a bunch of bible thumping, gun toting, racist, bigots.

[footstepsfrom#27]

you seem to be fantasizing about me a lot.
You'd like that wouldn't you?
and sure go ahead make threads about mccain and the ppl you don't like. I'm not getting in your way. jeremiah wright is still a racist, black nationalist. and william ayers is still an unrepentant terrorist and communist revolutionary. and obama had a VERY close relationship with wright, and a somewhat more tangential one with ayers, while also being the FARTHEST LEFT member of the senate.
Whatever that means.
he has repeatedly spouted, sometimes to his great consternation very common far left/socialist talking points, including when he called small town america a bunch of bible thumping, gun toting, racist, bigots.
Liar. He said no such thing.

[Rigs11]

This is the problem with America today. You have jagoffs running around worried about what someone said 30 years ago,worried about what goes on in other countries,and worried about religion.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

This is the problem with America today. You have jagoffs running around worried about what someone said 30 years ago,worried about what goes on in other countries,and worried about religion.

I guess they have to find something to distract our collective attention from Bush and his buddies looting the treasury and bankrupting America.

[spdirty]

Id be willing to bet the one who brought up the Wright and Ayers stories came directly from the Clinton camp. Think about it. McCain and repugs are on vacation right now till the dems figure out who they are gonna run. I don't know, way I see it, this has Hillary all over it, because of what she has to gain by this stuff coming out about him.

McCain is too much of a political puss to pull something like this. McCain likes to wait till days before a primary when his opponent has no time to respond to lie and lie and lie and lie and get caught lying yet repeat that lie over and over.

Guess there is a new Willie Horton type ad that is starting to run in North Carolina basically bashing Obama, McCain is condeming the damn thing. That guy just makes me want to throw up every time he opens his ****ing mouth.

I honestly dont think there is any way I could vote for him. Even if its against Jimmy Carter II.

[Taco John]

I can't understand why anybody would care what some guy named William Ayers said, whatever he said, whenever he said it. I've never heard of the guy before this thread, but I somehow knew that it had something to do with Barack Obama.

[spdirty]

I can't understand why anybody would care what some guy named William Ayers said, whatever he said, whenever he said it. I've never heard of the guy before this thread, but I somehow knew that it had something to do with Barack Obama.

listen to AM 710 at 1 tomorrow and, well, that guy refuses to shut the **** up about him.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I can't understand why anybody would care what some guy named William Ayers said, whatever he said, whenever he said it.

It's just another instance of the media doing its job, i.e., distracting Americans from the real issues.

(Like the way they kept us focused on John Edwards' haircuts while the oil companies got Congress to destroy Amtrak.)

[yavoon]

This is the problem with America today. You have jagoffs running around worried about what someone said 30 years ago,worried about what goes on in other countries,and worried about religion.

the quotes are from last year.

[yavoon]

You'd like that wouldn't you?

Whatever that means.

Liar. He said no such thing.

haha yah he just had the "incredibly nuanced view" that sounded 100% like the very standard long standing socialist view of the proletariat and their modest proclivity for not voting 100% socialist. total coincidence I see. good luck selling that.

[footstepsfrom#27]

haha yah he just had the "incredibly nuanced view" that sounded 100% like the very standard long standing socialist view of the proletariat and their modest proclivity for not voting 100% socialist. total coincidence I see. good luck selling that.
Drunk I see...

[epicSocialism4tw]

I can't understand why anybody would care what some guy named William Ayers said, whatever he said, whenever he said it. I've never heard of the guy before this thread, but I somehow knew that it had something to do with Barack Obama.

If you havent heard of the guy, he's worth looking into.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Big deal. Some old pissed off hippie professor from the '60's gave Obama's campaign $200 and sat on a board with him once. You need a girl friend.

Yavoon is talking about relevant concerns. It's one thing to discuss why or why not they should be important when considering whether or not to vote for Obama, its another to get your emotions tipped over and spilled out to the point of launching personal attacks because his points stand (untested here, I might add).

Obama will not get the moderate vote precisely because he is an extremist in every sense of the term, and relationships like this illustrate why that is the case.

It will cost the democrats the election.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Yavoon is talking about relevant concerns. It's one thing to discuss why or why not they should be important when considering whether or not to vote for Obama, its another to get your emotions tipped over and spilled out to the point of launching personal attacks because his points stand (untested here, I might add).
Yavoon is a troll. He's here to get a rise...and my emotions have nothing to do with my response. This is a smear campaign, plain and simple.
Obama will not get the moderate vote precisely because he is an extremist in every sense of the term, and relationships like this illustrate why that is the case.
Have you read either or both of his books? I'd like an answer on this please.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Obama will not get the moderate vote precisely because he is an extremist in every sense of the term...
Maybe it's just me...but when I think of the word "extremist" I think of some guy who says we ought to spend the next 100 years fighting in Iraq. To me that's an "extremist". But maybe thinking that we need a better healthcare system that includes everyone is what really defines "extremism". ;)

[BroncoInferno]

Yavoon, why aren't you posting threads about McCain's very seedy and much more sinister dealings of the past? Just curious.

[Bronco Jamus]

We are going to be in Iraq for a long time, and none of the 3 are going to be able to change that. Any realistic candidate understands that. What needs to change is the scale. We cannot maintain our current troop levels nor the cost.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Maybe it's just me...but when I think of the word "extremist" I think of some guy who says we ought to spend the next 100 years fighting in Iraq. To me that's an "extremist". But maybe thinking that we need a better healthcare system that includes everyone is what really defines "extremism".

No, that's part of what defines "socialism".

"Extremism" would refer to his ability to wander accidentally into social relationships with terrorists and radicals. He doesnt really mean it though.

[yavoon]

Yavoon is a troll. He's here to get a rise...and my emotions have nothing to do with my response. This is a smear campaign, plain and simple.

Have you read either or both of his books? I'd like an answer on this please.

boy all you have is vicious and petty attacks on the messenger. must be a warm up for obama's campaign themes in the general. obama the uniter, and if you don't vote for him you're a vile racist. just because I touch on sensitive issues about you and your messiah doesn't mean I'm a troll.

[yavoon]

Yavoon, why aren't you posting threads about McCain's very seedy and much more sinister dealings of the past? Just curious.

you're welcome to post about em. this is the same **** I get for not posting about the evil deeds of the hindus, buddhists, christians, zoroastrians, atheists, wiccans, shintos, or whatever the **** else. just because I happen to think sharia law is pretty ****ing vile. but fear not, there will be millions of dollars and millions of ppl to launch attacks on mccain from here till november, so I doubt you will feel leftout of knowledge about anything on that front.

[yavoon]

Yavoon is talking about relevant concerns. It's one thing to discuss why or why not they should be important when considering whether or not to vote for Obama, its another to get your emotions tipped over and spilled out to the point of launching personal attacks because his points stand (untested here, I might add).

Obama will not get the moderate vote precisely because he is an extremist in every sense of the term, and relationships like this illustrate why that is the case.

It will cost the democrats the election.

to the obamabots he is super moderate! even though of course he has the most partisan voting record, spews socialist beliefs when he thinks it won't get around, and has a laundry list of radical america hating leftists on his docket. no no, all that time and all those beliefs were the lie, and his new shiny campaign image is the truth! really! he is such a good speaker!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Maybe it's just me...but when I think of the word "extremist" I think of some guy who says we ought to spend the next 100 years fighting in Iraq. To me that's an "extremist". But maybe thinking that we need a better healthcare system that includes everyone is what really defines "extremism". ;)

Ha! :yep:

[footstepsfrom#27]

No, that's part of what defines "socialism".

"Extremism" would refer to his ability to wander accidentally into social relationships with terrorists and radicals. He doesnt really mean it though.
You might want to re-think this GOP viewpoint that universal health care constitutes a defining characteristic of socialism. Merely providing services to the populace does not constitute socialism, or else we are a socicalist country since we have a US federal postal service. Japan has universal health care coverage that's also compulory. They also have an economy that is highly capitalistic in nature and the 2nd largest in the world in production next to the US. A strong cooperative culture between government and industry, but nobody would call them "socialist". They are an economic powerhouse of staggering proportions relative to the limitations of space and in particular, dependence on imported oil...and a model capitalistic society the west admires.

And yet they have univesal health care coverage. Go figure.

[yavoon]

You might want to re-think this GOP viewpoint that universal health care constitutes a defining characteristic of socialism. Merely providing services to the populace does not constitute socialism, or else we are a socicalist country since we have a US federal postal service. Japan has universal health care coverage that's also compulory. They also have an economy that is highly capitalistic in nature and the 2nd largest in the world in production next to the US. A strong cooperative culture between government and industry, but nobody would call them "socialist". They are an economic powerhouse of staggering proportions relative to the limitations of space and in particular, dependence on imported oil...and a model capitalistic society the west admires.

And yet they have univesal health care coverage. Go figure.

japan actually has a pretty nasty and insular domestic economy, japan's successful capitalism is more international than domestic. and I believe japan's relationship between its enormous corporations and governments is whats called "corporatist." of course I'm sure in their case its good corporatism...