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alkemical
04-18-2008, 02:29 PM
The Kanzius Machine: A Cancer Cure? (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/10/60minutes/main4006951.shtml?source=RSSattr=Health_4006951)

(CBS) What if we told you that a guy with no background in science or medicine-not even a college degree-has come up with what may be one of the most promising breakthroughs in cancer research in years?

Well it's true, and if you think it sounds improbable, consider this: he did it with his wife's pie pans and hot dogs.

His name is John Kanzius, and he's a former businessman and radio technician who built a radio wave machine that has cancer researchers so enthusiastic about its potential they're pouring money and effort into testing it out.

Here's the important part: if clinical trials pan out-and there's still a long way to go-the Kanzius machine will zap cancer cells all through your body without the need for drugs or surgery and without side effects. None at all. At least that's the idea.


The last thing John Kanzius thought he'd ever do was try to cure cancer. A former radio and television executive from Pennsylvania, he came to Florida to enjoy his retirement.

"I have no business being in the cancer business. It’s not something that a layman like me should be in, it should be left to doctors and research people," he told correspondent Lesley Stahl.

"But sometimes it takes an outsider," Stahl remarked.

"Sometimes it just - maybe you get lucky," Kanzius replied.

It was the worst kind of luck that gave Kanzius the idea to use radio waves to kill cancer cells: six years ago, he was diagnosed with terminal leukemia and since then has undergone 36 rounds of toxic chemotherapy. But it wasn't his own condition that motivated him, it was looking into the hollow eyes of sick children on the cancer ward at M.D. Anderson Cancer Center in Houston.

"I saw the smiles of youth and saw their spirits were broken. And you could see that they were sort of asking, 'Why can't they do something for me?'" Kanzius told Stahl.

"So they started to haunt you. The children," Stahl asked.
"Their faces. I still remember them holding on their Teddy bears and so forth," he replied. "And shortly after that I started my own chemotherapy, my third round of chemotherapy."

Kanzius told Stahl the chemotherapy made him very sick and that he couldn't sleep at night. "And I said, 'There’s gotta be a better way to treat cancer.'"

It was during one of those sleepless nights that the light bulb went off. When he was young, Kanzius was one of those kids who built radios from scratch, so he knew the hidden power of radio waves. Sick from chemo, he got out of bed, went to the kitchen, and started to build a radio wave machine.

"Started looking in the cupboard and I saw pie pans and I said, 'These are perfect. I can modify these,'" he recalled.

His wife Marianne woke up that night to a lot of banging and clamoring. "I was concerned truthfully that he had lost it," she told Stahl.

"She felt sorry for me," Kanzius added.

"I did," Marianne Kanzius acknowledged. "And I had mentioned to him, 'Honey, the doctors can't-you know, find an answer to cancer. How can you think that you can?'"

That's what 60 Minutes wanted to know, so Stahl went to his garage laboratory to find out.

Here's how it works: one box sends radio waves over to the other, creating enough energy to activate gas in a fluorescent light. Kanzius put his hand in the field to demonstrate that radio waves are harmless to humans.

"So right from the beginning you're trying to show that radio waves could activate gas and not harm the human-anything else," Stahl remarked. "'Cause you're looking for some kind of a treatment with no side effects, that's what's in your head."

"No side effects," Kanzius replied.

(Cont'd on site, 4 pages total)

Dendave
04-18-2008, 02:34 PM
yeah I saw that on 60 minutes, they say it will take years until the the powers that be allow it for everyday use

Kaylore
04-18-2008, 02:34 PM
Very impressive. Reminds me of those fish that only eat the infected skin on people. Now watch the price of gold go up even more.

alkemical
04-18-2008, 02:35 PM
this type of stuff just fascinates me...

Kaylore
04-18-2008, 02:36 PM
yeah I saw that on 60 minutes, they say it will take years until the the powers that be allow it for everyday use

Well they need to see if it even works first. A lot of these things work conceptually and on animals and then human trials show they are worthless.

chaz
04-18-2008, 03:30 PM
kanzius is a baller...it doesn't matter if his machine ends up not working, all it takes is more people like him and we'll solve the mystery eventually.

Broncos123
04-18-2008, 03:41 PM
Watched it on Sunday, the guy will probally die before he gets a chance to see if it works on humans. It sounds very encouraging though.

That One Guy
04-18-2008, 03:57 PM
I don't get it, where's the part where cancer gets tied in?

Sounds to me like he made a pretty cool method of wireless lightbulbs though, so we still win.

epicSocialism4tw
04-18-2008, 03:58 PM
Brilliant guy.

If you could get those particles to adhere to specific sites on cancer cells, you could potentially eliminate every single one of them with an injection and a wave treatment.

Brilliant.

Kaylore
04-18-2008, 04:00 PM
I don't get it, where's the part where cancer gets tied in?

Sounds to me like he made a pretty cool method of wireless lightbulbs though, so we still win.

He uses radio waves to excite nano-particles that cling to cancerous cells and when agitated by the radio waves destroy the cancerous cells. They do not cling to healthy matter.

epicSocialism4tw
04-18-2008, 04:02 PM
I don't get it, where's the part where cancer gets tied in?

Sounds to me like he made a pretty cool method of wireless lightbulbs though, so we still win.

What you do is you identify a chemical bonding site for nanoparticles to enter cancer cells...this has to be specific or you kill other healthy cells as well (which is what chemotherapy does). Then you inject those nanoparticles into the bloodstream and wait for them to get into place. Then you might have to prep with another injection that removes non-bonded nanoparticles from all tissues by encouraging them out the urinary tract. Then you burn up those freakin cancer cells until they are all dead.

This could be the biggest breakthrough in cancer treatment in history.

epicSocialism4tw
04-18-2008, 04:04 PM
You could also potentially use this treatment for other forms of non-invasive surgery...including treating internal bleeding.

broncosteven
04-18-2008, 04:21 PM
I admit to having a crush on Lesley Stahl during the gulf war.

Once I saw her name I was distracted for rest of article, what did it say?

No1BroncoFan
04-18-2008, 11:07 PM
Well they need to see if it even works first. A lot of these things work conceptually and on animals and then human trials show they are worthless.

Or, a big pharmaceutical company buys up the patents and shelves the idea in favor of it's own "treatment."

Ben

chaz
04-19-2008, 12:13 AM
Or, a big pharmaceutical company buys up the patents and shelves the idea in favor of it's own "treatment."

Ben

I don't think this idea is in hands that would let that happen, thankfully.

CHANGSTER
04-19-2008, 12:56 AM
Great idea. One of those ideas that you would think someone would of thought of long ago, but the potential looks huge.

Pezman
04-19-2008, 12:59 AM
For what its worth, when I beat my cancer I had a friend who gave me a negative ion blanket and I truly believe it helped assist me in curing. Sometimes its the simple things that are the best cures.

Ames, that would be incredible as a breakthrough beyond wildest dreams. I just wish we could have found a cure for my Mom's brain cancer or at least something that would have given her a fighting chance.

Vegas_Bronco
04-19-2008, 02:44 AM
I hate chemo! I hate chemo! I hate chemo!

baja
04-19-2008, 02:56 AM
This has been around for a long time and it does work.

http://www.lightparty.com/Health/Radionics.html


http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/terminator_zapper.html

MouldsRocks
04-21-2008, 03:58 AM
wow

alkemical
04-21-2008, 09:53 AM
This has been around for a long time and it does work.

http://www.lightparty.com/Health/Radionics.html


http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/terminator_zapper.html

For more on radionics, click here (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=56468)

Kaylore
04-21-2008, 10:05 AM
This has been around for a long time and it does work.

http://www.lightparty.com/Health/Radionics.html


http://wolfcreekranch1.tripod.com/terminator_zapper.html

Um, no. Those aren't the same thing. Did you read it? Those are pseudo-science akin to modern day "healing tonics."

alkemical
04-21-2008, 10:17 AM
kaylore,

check the radionics thread and watch the vids - i think there's some plausible data there.

rbackfactory80
04-21-2008, 10:18 AM
The messed up thing is he is probably going to die before it ever gets used.

ant1999e
04-21-2008, 02:20 PM
The only side effect is that it turns people into crazy flesh eating zombies.

alkemical
04-21-2008, 02:22 PM
That's better than anal leakage.

Kaylore
04-21-2008, 02:55 PM
kaylore,

check the radionics thread and watch the vids - i think there's some plausible data there.

No more than other types of similar therapy like Reiki or prayer where results are seen but science cannot explain their condition.

It is definitely not the same thing as the article at the top of this thread. It would be like saying incandescent and fluorescent lights are the same because the both use electricity and glow.

alkemical
04-21-2008, 03:05 PM
No more than other types of similar therapy like Reiki or prayer where results are seen but science cannot explain their condition.

It is definitely not the same thing as the article at the top of this thread. It would be like saying incandescent and fluorescent lights are the same because the both use electricity and glow.

Well, i stated that in the Radionics thread....