The Official 2007-2008 NBA Playoffs thread

[Master___Pain]

Match ups are set. Teams are ready to go. The Western conference looks to be a series of knock down, drag out games. The east...no so much but in the second round things should heat up.

Lets keep the internet tough guy stuff out of this and try to talking Basketball and match ups, strategies, etc.
Some predictions

Lakers Nuggs- Lakers in 6
Hornets Mavs- Here's the first big upset. Mavs get revenge for last year Mavs in 7
Spurs/Suns- Suns in 6.
Rockets/Jazz -Jazz in 5

Boston -Atlanta Boston in 4
Detroit Phili- Pistons in 5
Orlando Toronto -Orlando in 6
Cleveland Washington- Cavs in 6

[Drunk Monkey]

I was at the Mavs game last night. I know the Hornets didn't have that much to play for but Dallas looked good. A upset is deff possible.

[BMF Bronco]

With regards to the west, the only "true" upset (7 games separating the two) would be if Denver somehow figured a way to play defense against the Lakeshow and beat them. The rest of the field is pretty well even with only five games seperating #2 from #7.

[montrose]

Thanks for starting this thread Master Pain. I've got:

West
1)Lakers vs. 8)Nuggets - Lakers in 4
4)Jazz vs. 5)Rockets - Jazz in 6
3)Spurs vs. 6)Suns - Spurs in 7
2)Hornets vs. 7)Mavericks - Mavericks in 6

1)Lakers vs. 7)Mavericks - Lakers in 5
3)Spurs vs. 4)Jazz - Spurs in 6

1)Lakers vs. 3)Spurs - Spurs in 7

East
1)Celtics vs. 8)Hawks - Celtics in 4
4)Cavaliers vs. 5) Wizards - Cavaliers in 5
3)Magic vs. 6)Raptors - Magic in 5
2)Pistons vs. 7)76ers - Pistons in 5

1)Celtics vs. Cavaliers - Celtics in 6
2)Pistons vs. 3)Magic - Pistons in 5

1)Celtics vs. 2)Pistons - Celtics in 6

Finals
1E)Celtics vs. 3W) Spurs - Spurs in 6

[Punisher]

Change the Thread Title to..The Official Lakers Championship thread :)

[dbfan4life]

With regards to the west, the only "true" upset (7 games separating the two) would be if Denver somehow figured a way to play defense against the Lakeshow and beat them. The rest of the field is pretty well even with only five games seperating #2 from #7.

True. That would be the only real upset. The Lakers won the West by 1 game. They could have easily been a 2-5 seed.

[worm]

Interesting that the Hornets are getting no love. I see them going all the way to the Conference Championships.

Have ya'll watched them a lot this year...or is it just the matchup you don't like?

This is a very, very good team. Paul is deserving of the MVP, West is deserving of the most improved and Peja has been money. They can play well at home or on the road.

I see this series being over in 5.

[dbfan4life]

Change the Thread Title to..The Official Lakers Championship thread :)

You must be looking for a fight. I heard there was someone looking for one in the NBA thread. ROFL!

BTW, your thread title sounds good to me! :thumbsup:

[Paladin]

Change the Thread Title to..The Official Lakers Championship thread :)

Get outta here! They're talking Basketball, not homerism crapola.....

[Punisher]

Get outta here! They're talking Basketball, not homerism crapola.....

Ha! Ha!

[bombay]

Nuggets in 6 as JR holds a personal coming out party.

Uh, I mean coming out as a dominant NBA player, that is.

[Punisher]

Nuggets in 6 as JR holds a personal coming out party.

Uh, I mean coming out as a dominant NBA player, that is.

Lakers in 4....No Diss to you Nuggs fans but ya'll can't play D worth a lick.:thumbsup:

[Inkana7]

**** the Wizards.

[Punisher]

Ok I'm calling it now MAGIC VS LAKERS NBA FINALS

[Master___Pain]

Lakers in 4....No Diss to you Nuggs fans but ya'll can't play D worth a lick.:thumbsup:


See that's the misconception. They can play D, when motivated. The ppg given up stat is misleading because of how many they score. I'm not saying their overall D is good, but when they put forth the effort they have played some good, almost great defense at times. People that don't follow the Nuggs only see the ppg given up. It's not like the Lakers are the late 80s pistons either.

[bombay]

See that's the misconception. They can play D, when motivated. The ppg given up stat is misleading because of how many they score. I'm not saying their overall D is good, but when they put forth the effort they have played some good, almost great defense at times. People that don't follow the Nuggs only see the ppg given up. It's not like the Lakers are the late 80s pistons either.


Agreed. It's sometimes frustrating to watch them come out and play awesome defense as they did in, say, the Houston game Sunday and wonder why they don't do it more consistantly. They are, however, capable of doing so.

I see the Lakers as a bit of a paper tiger: beyond Kobe and the ancient Fisher, they have zip in terms of playoff experience and I see no reason they can't be had. If not by the Nuggets, almost certainly by Phoenix/San Antonio/ Dallas - whoever. They won't be winning the West.

[azbroncfan]

Thanks for starting this thread Master Pain. I've got:

West
1)Lakers vs. 8)Nuggets - Lakers in 4
4)Jazz vs. 5)Rockets - Jazz in 6
3)Spurs vs. 6)Suns - Spurs in 7
2)Hornets vs. 7)Mavericks - Mavericks in 6

1)Lakers vs. 7)Mavericks - Lakers in 5
3)Spurs vs. 4)Jazz - Spurs in 6

1)Lakers vs. 3)Spurs - Spurs in 7



Finals
1E)Celtics vs. 3W) Spurs - Spurs in 6


I like your W bracket except the MAVS won't play the lakers they would play the SPURS and the JAZZ would play LA. NBA doesn't reseed.

[montrose]

I like your W bracket except the MAVS won't play the lakers they would play the SPURS and the JAZZ would play LA. NBA doesn't reseed.

Really? My bad. Here's an updated bracket then:

West
1)Lakers vs. 8)Nuggets - Lakers in 4
4)Jazz vs. 5)Rockets - Jazz in 6
3)Spurs vs. 6)Suns - Spurs in 7
2)Hornets vs. 7)Mavericks - Mavericks in 6

1)Lakers vs. 4)Jazz - Lakers in 5
3)Spurs vs. 7)Mavericks - Spurs in 5

1)Lakers vs. 3)Spurs - Spurs in 7

East
1)Celtics vs. 8)Hawks - Celtics in 4
4)Cavaliers vs. 5) Wizards - Cavaliers in 5
3)Magic vs. 6)Raptors - Magic in 5
2)Pistons vs. 7)76ers - Pistons in 5

1)Celtics vs. 4)Cavaliers - Celtics in 6
2)Pistons vs. 3)Magic - Pistons in 5

1)Celtics vs. 2)Pistons - Celtics in 6

Finals
1E)Celtics vs. 3W) Spurs - Spurs in 6

[24champ]

Kobe on playing in this year's playoffs-"I'm not playing with butter knives this year."


“I play for a coach that has nine championships. I’m going to get one before you do.”
-Coby Karl to his father, George Karl on ESPN radio




This could also mark a new beginning for Kobe Bryant, who hasn't been on the winning side in a playoff series since the 2004 Western Conference finals.

The Lakers were a bland 121-125 the previous three regular seasons, a fact that tugged undeniably at Bryant after their meek exit against the Suns last season.

He was asked Saturday if he was hungry to win a playoff series.

"I've been waiting to eat for a while," he said. "The table's set. I'll sit down at the dinner table and I've got to finish my dinner."


Pau's ready to rock and so am I. Lakers in 5.


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[bombay]

Go Nuggets!

[Punisher]

BREAKING NEWS The Nuggets bus got caught on Fire going to the Lakers game no one found hurt the game will go on.Pretty Creppy huh?

[ColoradoBuff]

GO Nuggets!!!! Nuggets in 5!!!!

[montrose]

AI, time to show why we brought you here.

[ColoradoBuff]

Come on Nuggets!

[24champ]

Let's go Lakers! Let's go! (Clap Clap)

[ColoradoBuff]

AI is gonna own this series.

[24champ]

AI is a flopper...starting to look like Vlade Divac.

[ColoradoBuff]

Pau is as soft as Charmin tissue...what's your point?

[Inkana7]

AI is a flopper...starting to look like Vlade Divac.

Only when the foul is called on the Lakers, though, right?

[24champ]

Only when the foul is called on the Lakers, though, right?

In one of the two times he flopped, there was no call.

[Inkana7]

In one of the two times he flopped, there was no call.

I'm a Cavs fan, which means I watch Anderson Varejao all the time. AI is no flopper.

[24champ]

I'm a Cavs fan, which means I watch Anderson Varejao all the time. AI is no flopper.

Just calling it like I see 'em.

Anyway Cavs fan eh? How about that tough guy Gilbert Arenas talking a bunch of **** before the series.:spit:

[broncofan2438]

Nuggs look rusty

[Inkana7]

Just calling it like I see 'em.

Anyway Cavs fan eh? How about that tough guy Gilbert Arenas talking a bunch of **** before the series.:spit:

I was more pissed off at DeShawn Stevenson calling Lebron "Overrated". You're asking who DeShawn Stevenson is? Exactly.

He was the guy who was guarding Lebron yesterday as he went 8-10 in the 2nd half and had 32 points.

[ColoradoBuff]

Typical classless Lakers fans chanting DUI while Melo was at the line. Even the announcers thought it was poor. What can ya say....Lakers fans!!

[Natedog24]

I thought it was funny

[24champ]

Dui!! Dui!! Dui!!!

Lmao

[spdirty]

Sometimes its amazing how well the Nuggets play when Melo is on the bench.

[spdirty]

Typical classless Lakers fans chanting DUI while Melo was at the line. Even the announcers thought it was poor. What can ya say....Lakers fans!!

Melo deserves that.

[spdirty]

Smith and Kleiza playin their asses off.

[Northman]

Uh oh, the Nuggets look like they want to play spoiler. That would be hilarious if they took out the Lakers. Where's Mutumbo when you need him?

[ColoradoBuff]

Dui!! Dui!! Dui!!!

Lmao

Rapist!! Rapist!! Rapist!!

Lmao

[bombay]

Rapist!! Rapist!! Rapist!!

Lmao

:rofl:


Truly appropriate.

[spdirty]

Rapist!! Rapist!! Rapist!!

Lmao

rep!

[spdirty]

Nice! Bryant with 3 fouls already. Good job AI!

[24champ]

Announcers are seeing the same thing I have been seeing. "Iverson feels contact and he gets demonstrative, forcing the refs to blow the whistle."

[spdirty]

Announcers are seeing the same thing I have been seeing. "Iverson feels contact and he gets demonstrative, forcing the refs to blow the whistle."

Announcers, just like you, are full of blah blah blah blah.

[spdirty]

Oh wow theyre leaving Bryant in. Need to go after him and try to get that 4th foul by halftime.

[Punisher]

LMAO the nuggs are really trying to put up a fight i find that funny LOL..GO LAKERS!!!

[ColoradoBuff]

Announcers are seeing the same thing I have been seeing. "Iverson feels contact and he gets demonstrative, forcing the refs to blow the whistle."

Excuses are like asshole's.....everybody's got one.

[broncofan2438]

C'mon 24champ....you live in Denver, how can you be a damn lakers fan?

[broncofan2438]

Hope Bryant fouls out

[24champ]

Thttp://www.dorriolds.com/pages/illustration/referee.jpg

[24champ]

AI is gonna own this series.

He don't own the free-throw line...that's for sure.Ha!

[ColoradoBuff]

He don't own the free-throw line...that's for sure.Ha!


Easy drop-out King....it's doesn't own the free throw, not don't. GED!! GED!!:giggle:

[24champ]

LOL grammar smack. Pretty lame Hawk...

[ColoradoBuff]

Just call them how I see them.

[bombay]

I wonder if the faker fans sitting on the other side of the bar are enjoying the spit the bartender is donating to their pitchers?

:rofl:

[24champ]

Bye Bye AI!!!

[Northman]

Damn, i missed it. What did Iverson get thrown out for? What was he upset about? Kobe's dunk?

[ColoradoBuff]

Ah, let the runner up for MVP take game one.

[24champ]

Damn, i missed it. What did Iverson get thrown out for? What was he upset about? Kobe's dunk?

I dont know, he went to get his dog...

[ColoradoBuff]

I dont know, he went to get his dog...


Is that the best you can do? lol. you are garbage.

[eddie mac]

7 technical fouls. Now who didn't see that coming.

[ColoradoBuff]

That's ok....the #1 seed hasn't reached the Finals since 2003. Stays true this year too.

[TheChamp24]

meh, I kinda expected this. Let the Laker fans think they are accomplishing something by beating the Nuggets this series.
Then they'll get shocked when they play real playoff teams, teams who can actually shoot free throws and play defense. Well, Phoenix can't play D either, but at least its better than the Nuggets. lol
This is going to be a massacre in this series.

[ColoradoBuff]

meh, I kinda expected this. Let the Laker fans think they are accomplishing something by beating the Nuggets this series.
Then they'll get shocked when they play real playoff teams, teams who can actually shoot free throws and play defense. Well, Phoenix can't play D either, but at least its better than the Nuggets. lol
This is going to be a massacre in this series.


True...New Orleans and San Antonio will school them.

[24champ]

Allen Iverson is ready for the Lakers. "If you're scared, get a dog."

http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=8337

[theAPAOps5]

I wouldn't call AI scared. Kobe I rape women Bryant didn't run his mouth until he had a comfortable lead. Dude is a punk.

[brother love]

Pau is as soft as Charmin tissue...what's your point?

If 36points,16 rebounds, and 8 assists is soft I'd hate to see what a tough guy does to the Nuggets!

[24champ]

If 36points,16 rebounds, and 8 assists is soft I'd hate to see what a tough guy does to the Nuggets!

No kidding...:rofl:

[theAPAOps5]

Yeah Hawk I would take a step back on the smack. The Nuggets looked pathetic.

I wish someone would actually coach the nuggets instead of sit there and play bumper belly before the game. Every free throw they took today they were falling back. Stand tall and shoot its fundamentals. But nope they did the shoot and lean back. Don't get me started on Defense. The nuggets play half defense. Meaning they actually make a stop and pat themselves on the back meanwhile they guy they just trapped has passed to the open man and he has a clear path to the hoop. Its just pathetic basketball. Its why the nuggets won't do anything in the playoffs ever this way.

[montrose]

This one's on Karl (sound like a broken record?). Things were going great with JR and LK providing energy with AI running the point and K-Mart playing great D on Kobe. So genius Karl decides to go back to his man-love for AC and we wind up with wonderful defensive matchups like AC and Iverson guarding guys twice their size. Also, has Karl ever heard of calling a time out? Geese, this series is starting to take shape as the coaching matchup of Albert Einstein vs. Bozo the Clown. Lakers in 4.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Lakers take game one - even with lousy shooting from the floor by Kobe and Nuggets getting lots of help from the refs.

[bombay]

The only person who can stop JR Smith is George Karl. He did it successfully today after JR's very efficient 7 minutes in the 1st half. By the time he saw the court again, the Nuggets trailed by 15 points and 2 minutes were left in the 3rd. It was basically over.

[24champ]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/e0/fullj.8c19e7551f8488e5e6864224a59fe1b0/8c19e7551f8488e5e6864224a59fe1b0-getty-80327527ab004_nugts_lakers.jpg

"Whether you're a brother
Or whether you're a mother,
You're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin'
And ev'rybody shakin'
And we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha"


:afro:

[24champ]

post game stuff


http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9198/300_nba-press_wm_1_050819.asx

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

post game stuff


http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia-live/nba/9198/300_nba-press_wm_1_050819.asx

:thumbsup:

That site has been a life saver for me when I'm out of town.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/e0/fullj.8c19e7551f8488e5e6864224a59fe1b0/8c19e7551f8488e5e6864224a59fe1b0-getty-80327527ab004_nugts_lakers.jpg

"Whether you're a brother
Or whether you're a mother,
You're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Feel the city breakin'
And ev'rybody shakin'
And we're stayin' alive, stayin' alive.
Ah, ha, ha, ha"


:afro:

MVP!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td width="100%">Simmons picks the Lakers to win it all</td> <td nowrap="nowrap" valign="top">
(http://www.clublakers.com/forums/posting,mode,quote,p,2346823.html) </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2">http://sports.espn.go.com/espnradio/player?context=podcast&id=3349861

Simmons' Picks:

Round 1:
BOS/ATL - Boston in 4
DET/PHI - Detroit in 6
ORL/TOR - Orlando in 6
CLE/WAS - Washington in 6

LAL/DEN - Los Angeles in 5
NOH/DAL - Dallas in 6
SAS/PHO - Phoenix in 6
UTA/HOU - Utah in 5 (they didn't seem to realize Houston had homecourt though)

Round 2:
BOS/WAS - Boston in 6
DET/ORL - Detroit in 5

LAL/UTA - Los Angeles in 6
PHO/DAL - Phoenix in 6

Round 3:
LAL/PHO - Los Angeles in 7
BOS/DET - Boston in 6

Finals:
BOS/LAL - Los Angeles in 6 </td></tr></tbody></table>

[BroncoBuff]

I wouldn't be too thrilled if I were the Lakers.

The large majority of that win was free-throw shooting. Nuggets made barely 50% from the line ... that won't happen again. Iverson missed at least 6 FTs by my count. Gasol is a monster, though. I just don't get how that trade went down. Gregg Popovich said the league shoulda looked into blocking the trade. I won't go that far, but Memphis management are serious fools ...

Kobe too is such a b!tch ... what an unattractive personality he is for a superstar. That's not news to anybody I guess, but what I thought would be a wail of a blowout actually became a far closer game than the Lakers oughtta be comfortable with. Nugs closed it to 9 points with 3 minutes to play ... that should not have happened.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I wouldn't be too thrilled if I were the Lakers.



Actually, I'm thrilled because we still won even with Kobe shooting a terrible percentage from the field and with the refs giving the Nuggets lots of help.

Go Lakers!

[Florida_Bronco]

Rapist!! Rapist!! Rapist!!

Lmao

A CU fan chanting rapist? Oh good lord, the irony.

[TheChamp24]

How did the refs give the Nuggets a lot of help? lol, it was a decent called game.
But seriously, the Nuggets are nothing compared to Phoenix, San Antonio or Utah.
Those games will actually be close, and not in the 100's.

And I also love how everybody is proclaiming a Celtics-Lakers finals. lol, I would actually put money on that to not happen if I had it.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

Lakers don't play enough defense to go to the Finals.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How did the refs give the Nuggets a lot of help?

Calling every ticky-tack foul on Kobe they could. Guess they had to make it a game somehow.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Lakers don't play enough defense to go to the Finals.

They can play solid defense when they have to and when it counts. Their style is to outscore you.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

A CU fan chanting rapist? Oh good lord, the irony.

:giggle:

(Not to mention a desperate act.)

[24champ]

Calling every ticky-tack foul on Kobe they could. Guess they had to make it a game somehow.

Not to mention AI had to have his theatrics on display ala Vlade Divac...

[bombay]

A CU fan chanting rapist? Oh good lord, the irony.

Really? Remind me who was convicted? Lacking that, remind me who was charged? Nothing there either? Remind me who's name came up?

Pretty successful smear campaign, and it eventually helped drive Barnett off, so something came of it.

[Florida_Bronco]

Really? Remind me who was convicted? Lacking that, remind me who was charged? Nothing there either? Remind me who's name came up?

Pretty successful smear campaign, and it eventually helped drive Barnett off, so something came of it.

Kobe was found innocent, was he not?

[bombay]

Kobe was found innocent, was he not?

Not exactly. Charges were dropped after a financial settlement was reached. He may well have been found innocent had the case gone to trial. The waters were certainly muddied by various behaviors of the 'victim'.

At any rate, regarding the University of Colorado, can you name a single person who was publically implicated on a rape charge?

[sixtimeseight]

Kobe was found innocent, was he not?

Nope, the case got dropped by the prosecution after the woman who got raped withdrew her support for the case because she didn't want to be in the public spotlight anymore. She did file a civil suit though, which was settled out of court, reportedly for an 8 figure sum. I'd figure an aspiring rent-a-cop would have known that.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Kobe was found innocent, was he not?

Hey, trivial facts like these don't matter to the average Laker hater. ;)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Nope, the case got dropped by the prosecution after the woman who got raped withdrew her support for the case because she didn't want to be in the public spotlight anymore. She did file a civil suit though, which was settled out of court, reportedly for an 8 figure sum. I'd figure an aspiring rent-a-cop would have known that.

She "didn't want to be in the spotlight anymore" because it was becoming increasingly obvious that her case against Bryant was a joke.

[sixtimeseight]

Yea, so obvious that Kobe gave her 8 figures to make her go away.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yea, so obvious that Kobe gave her 8 figures to make her go away.

If you're Kobe, eight figures is a small price to pay to get your life back.

In any event, a settlement like this one is not an admission of guilt.

[Northman]

Man, the venom being spit at each other between Laker and Nuggets fans is crazy. lmao

[24champ]

Least the Lakers aren't involved with hanging out with gangbangers that like to shoot down a Bronco Player...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Man, the venom being spit at each other between Laker and Nuggets fans is crazy. lmao

Looks to me like Lakers fans are trying to talk hoops and Nuggets fans are simply slinging personal sh*t at Kobe.

[spdirty]

Well, the Nugs lost a game they couldve/shouldve/didnt want to win, the Rox got beat in classic Fuentes fashion, and the Dead Wings won.

What a shltty Sunday for CO sports. Day isnt over either. Just hope Shanny doesn't sign Vanderjadt or Cutler doesnt tear his rotator cuff by the end of the day.

[CBF1]

Go Lakers.

I am not sure what sack posted that games vs Spurs, Suns or Utah would not be in the 100's.... Guess you did not watch the Lakers this season. They hung a 100 on everyone of those teams.

LA averaged 117 vs Phoenix, 108 vs Utah, 104.5 vs NO and 99 vs San Antonio

Damn nugget fans whine like school girls and your team keeps every bad tattoo artist in town busy.


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[Inkana7]

They can play solid defense when they have to and when it counts. Their style is to outscore you.

Isn't everyone's?

[Punisher]

How about them 76ers winning a game one on the road this could be a very interesting series

[Los Broncos]

How about them 76ers winning a game one on the road this could be a very interesting series

Good effort from the Sixers, but they wont win a seven games series vs the Pistons.

[Florida_Bronco]

Nope, the case got dropped by the prosecution after the woman who got raped withdrew her support for the case because she didn't want to be in the public spotlight anymore. She did file a civil suit though, which was settled out of court, reportedly for an 8 figure sum. Even better, it never got to trial.

I'd figure an aspiring rent-a-cop would have known that.
You're right. All law enforcement officers have a responsibility to know the details of court cases. Please accept my most sincere apologizes, as I have clearly let down the public.

[Florida_Bronco]

If you're Kobe, eight figures is a small price to pay to get your life back.

In any event, a settlement like this one is not an admission of guilt.

Not only that, but fighting a high profile case like that will get very expensive, very fast. He more than likely SAVED money with the settlement.

[theAPAOps5]

The only person who can stop JR Smith is George Karl. He did it successfully today after JR's very efficient 7 minutes in the 1st half. By the time he saw the court again, the Nuggets trailed by 15 points and 2 minutes were left in the 3rd. It was basically over.

I agree to a point. But JR is still a liability in he gets caught up in the emotion of the game. See his flagrant foul on Walton and then eventually fouling out. A true star stays even keeled and he is either too high or too low.

I want to go on record on the reason I hate Kobe isn't because of how he was accused of raping a girl. Its how he was a punk and loud mouth ass and ran Shaq and Coach Phil Jackson. I lost all respect for him and a horrible role model.

But so is 95% of the NBA.

[phillybroncosnut]

Who wouldn't love seeing another Celtics/Lakers final? there wasn't better basketball then the 80's Lakers vs Celtics. Of Course we all know the C's will add a SEVENTEETH world championship banner to the rafters if they do meet!

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Isn't everyone's?

I meant they always believe they can get a higher percentage and outscore you no matter what, so they don't work as hard at stopping you from scoring (until their backs are against the wall, in some instances.)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I want to go on record on the reason I hate Kobe isn't because of how he was accused of raping a girl. Its how he was a punk and loud mouth ass and ran Shaq and Coach Phil Jackson. I lost all respect for him and a horrible role model.



Um, in case you haven't noticed, he's turned much of that attitude around recently (how else is he an MVP candidate?)

[Inkana7]

I meant they always believe they can get a higher percentage and outscore you no matter what, so they don't work as hard at stopping you from scoring (until their backs are against the wall, in some instances.)

That's a poor excuse.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's a poor excuse.

Excuse for what?

Being the #1 seed in the West? :welcome:

[Inkana7]

Excuse for what?

Being the #1 seed in the West? :welcome:

Poor defense. We were just talking about it.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Poor defense. We were just talking about it.

Yes, I agree. It's a risky way to play, and it has bitten them in the ass more than once. As a fan, it's agonizing to watch. However, I'm expecting them to play the kind of solid defense they are capable of when it matters most.

[Inkana7]

Yes, I agree. It's a risky way to play, and it has bitten them in the ass more than once. As a fan, it's agonizing to watch. However, I'm expecting them to play the kind of solid defense they are capable of when it matters most.

That's risky. Players can't just "turn it on", no matter what we want to think. Habits form.

[24champ]

Yes, I agree. It's a risky way to play, and it has bitten them in the ass more than once. As a fan, it's agonizing to watch. However, I'm expecting them to play the kind of solid defense they are capable of when it matters most.

Yeah but wait till Ariza comes back and then hopefully the next round Bynum will be available for small minutes.

[theAPAOps5]

Um, in case you haven't noticed, he's turned much of that attitude around recently (how else is he an MVP candidate?)

I haven't noticed. I stopped paying attention to him a few years ago. He still runs his mouth and acts like a punk. He had a ****ty game today and was jawing all game.

I admit I am biased though. I just don't like him. I really like Odom, Fisher, Gasol, and others on the Lakers but Kobe taints them all in my opinion.

Just being honest in how I feel about him. And Carmelo Anthony is starting to wear thin on me as well. His lack of defense and his seemingly lack of desire to improve is driving me nuts.

[CBF1]

I haven't noticed. I stopped paying attention to him a few years ago. He still runs his mouth and acts like a punk. He had a ****ty game today and was jawing all game.

I admit I am biased though. I just don't like him. I really like Odom, Fisher, Gasol, and others on the Lakers but Kobe taints them all in my opinion.

Just being honest in how I feel about him. And Carmelo Anthony is starting to wear thin on me as well. His lack of defense and his seemingly lack of desire to improve is driving me nuts.

Todays NBA players pretty much all have worn me down with their Me Me Me attitudes. I really miss the 1980's game...alot better to watch without all the Prima Donna's playing today.

With that said, GO LAKERS

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

That's risky. Players can't just "turn it on", no matter what we want to think. Habits form.

The Lakers sure seemed capable of turning the defense on in those last few regular season games that really mattered, i.e., when the #1 seed was at stake.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah but wait till Ariza comes back and then hopefully the next round Bynum will be available for small minutes.

Yep, that will give us even more options.

Actually, I was pleasantly surprised by how much Pau stepped up his defensive game today. He's a better post defender than I gave him credit for.

[Punisher]

Yep, that will give us even more options.

Actually, I was pleasantly surprised by how much Pau stepped up his defensive game today. He's a better post defender than I gave him credit for.

:rofl: Its gonna be too easy when Bynum comes back :)

[Los Broncos]

I really don't see the Lakers getting past the Spurs IMO.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

:rofl: Its gonna be too easy when Bynum comes back :)

Yep.

Can you just imagine both Pau and Drew at 100% next year? Talk about your twin towers effect. :wiggle:

I just hope we're able to renew Lamar's contract and that he can make the transition from power forward to small forward.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I really don't see the Lakers getting past the Spurs IMO.

It remains to be seen whether the Spurs even make it out of round one.

[Los Broncos]

It remains to be seen whether the Spurs even make it out of round one.

IMO, their are the team to beat.

Just don't think the Suns have enough, they had that game and needed the win.

You can expect to beat the Spurs in a seven game series if you can close the deal in their house.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

IMO, their are the team to beat.

Just don't think the Suns have enough, they had that game and needed the win.

You can expect to beat the Spurs in a seven game series if you can close the deal in their house.

It will be interesting to see how much the Spurs have left in the tank. They played some pretty embarrassing games in the last few weeks of the regular season, e.g., @Utah, @LAL, etc., where they looked pretty vulnerable.

Plus, Shaq has owned Duncan over the years. It would be expecting a lot for him to hang 40 on Shaq every game in a seven game series.

[Los Broncos]

It will be interesting to see how much the Spurs have left in the tank. They played some pretty embarrassing games in the last few weeks of the regular season, e.g., @Utah, @LAL, etc., where they looked pretty vulnerable.

Plus, Shaq has owned Duncan over the years. It would be expecting a lot for him to hang 40 on Shaq every game in a seven game series.

Let face it, Shaq is a shadow of his former self.

The Spurs get disinterested during the regular season, they play better when it really counts.

[24champ]

Long as we have Fisher, I'm not worried about the Spurs...

[TheChamp24]

Seriously though, I think every team should be a little worried about the Spurs. They may have been iffy during the regular season at times, but man, do they show up when it matters in the playoffs.
I don't really like Ginobli or Bowen, think they are cheap/flop artists, but man, do they play amazing team basketball.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Let face it, Shaq is a shadow of his former self.

That's true. I was one of the biggest skeptics on the forum re: the PHX trade, but I have to admit Shaq has exceeded my expectations. Based on his performance over the last few weeks of the regular season, I think he might just have enough left in the tank to go seven games with SAS if necessary.


The Spurs get disinterested during the regular season, they play better when it really counts.

True, but they usually start playing better down the stretch toward the end of the season. That wasn't the case this year. That last game @Utah was their lowest scoring game in franchise history.

[Punisher]

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[bombay]

Alfred Williams asked a little while ago, 'if pau Gasol is considered finesse, what does that make marcus Camby?'. Damn if that didn't have the ring of truth.

[Northman]

Plus, Shaq has owned Duncan over the years. It would be expecting a lot for him to hang 40 on Shaq every game in a seven game series.


I wouldnt say he has owned Duncan. Both have stats that are very close to one another. Is it true that Shaq has always been hard to defend near the basket? Oh yea. He is just a physical speciman that cant be matched by anyone in terms of out right physicalness. But, now Shaq is but a former shell of himself while Duncan still has much more in the tank. The thing that has made the Spurs so good is that they dont need Duncan to score 40 every night. He has a lot more entangibles and versatility than Shaq which makes him a far better overall player than Shaq. But stat comparison wise both are pretty much even. Found this on the net regarding the debate on both players and this guy breaks it down pretty well.

http://www.bballcity.com/archives/2007/tim-duncan-vs-shaquille-oneal/

[montrose]

Save Us!

http://www.bballcity.com/images/2004/larry-brown-med.jpg

[Punisher]

Save Us!

http://www.bballcity.com/images/2004/larry-brown-med.jpg

L M A O!!!!!!!

[broncofan2438]

Save the Nuggerts!!!!!!!!

[PaintballCLE]

I dont know what all the hype is about boston....yes on paper they might have 3 superstars.......but i don't know......just see them falling apart in the playoffs.........

[theAPAOps5]

Listening to the fan there is this guy who always calls in with the +/- of the game. Kind of like NHL stats or Turn Overs in the NFL.

Here is a stat that just epitomizes my frustration with Carmelo Anthony. With him in the game on Sunday the Nuggets were -14 in points. With him out they were +8. They had an 8 point lead when he was subbed back in. We all know what happend after that. They avereged the +/- and he is a negative all year. Of course that is averages and he did win them some games but man it glaringly highlights his piss poor defense.

[azbroncfan]

One thing is for sure that the Broncos and the Nuggets are learning defense from the same source.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I wouldnt say he has owned Duncan. Both have stats that are very close to one another. Is it true that Shaq has always been hard to defend near the basket? Oh yea. He is just a physical speciman that cant be matched by anyone in terms of out right physicalness. But, now Shaq is but a former shell of himself while Duncan still has much more in the tank. The thing that has made the Spurs so good is that they dont need Duncan to score 40 every night. He has a lot more entangibles and versatility than Shaq which makes him a far better overall player than Shaq. But stat comparison wise both are pretty much even. Found this on the net regarding the debate on both players and this guy breaks it down pretty well.

http://www.bballcity.com/archives/2007/tim-duncan-vs-shaquille-oneal/

Throughout his career Shaquille O’Neal has averaged 26.0 points per game, 11.6 rebounds, 2.8 assists, and 2.5 blocks. Tim Duncan has averaged 21.8 points per game, 11.9 rebounds, 3.2 assists, and 2.5 blocks. Shaquille O’Neal scored 25+ points per game for 10 straight seasons from 1993 to 2003 and even during an injury prone stint in Miami has managed to average over 20.0 points a game over the last three years. Tim Duncan however has never had a season in which he scored more than Shaq’s career average of 26.0 points per game, but out of his 10 seasons in the NBA he has averaged 20 or more points a game for 9 of them.

[Northman]

Throughout his career Shaquille O’Neal has averaged 26.0 points per game, 11.6 rebounds, 2.8 assists, and 2.5 blocks. Tim Duncan has averaged 21.8 points per game, 11.9 rebounds, 3.2 assists, and 2.5 blocks. Shaquille O’Neal scored 25+ points per game for 10 straight seasons from 1993 to 2003 and even during an injury prone stint in Miami has managed to average over 20.0 points a game over the last three years. Tim Duncan however has never had a season in which he scored more than Shaq’s career average of 26.0 points per game, but out of his 10 seasons in the NBA he has averaged 20 or more points a game for 9 of them.

And yet despite that both have 4 Championships and 3 MVP Finals Awards. Whewww! Glad we cleared that up. Hilarious!

[24champ]

Couple quotes and tidbits...


"You have to anticipate that they're going to do what's successful in the game they played against us. At that level, they were successful drawing fouls, driving the ball to the basket. We'll try to limit that," Phil Jackson said. "Their zone was effective at some points in the game. There was times when their man to man defense was effective in the style that they play it. We had to make some offensive adjustments there, too."

Definitely Kobe needs to ease up on the fouls, it hurt his effectiveness on D and Offense. He still got his points but his shots weren't going through. Also nice to see good ol' Phil playing mind games already...as if to say "Yeah we already know what they will do".

http://thelakersnation.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/zen.jpg

"They've got to see us again. They've got to see us for six more games. We ain't going nowhere," Denver forward Carmelo Anthony vowed Sunday.

Somebodies been drinking...but yes Carmelo...you are not going anywhere.


The Rocky Mountain News -
George Karl admitted on Sunday that Denver was hoping to play the Hornets and not the top-seeded Lakers in the first round, according to the Rocky Mountain News.

"I'm not going to deny we were rooting to play New Orleans," he said. "We wanted to play the more inexperienced team."


Sounds like Coach Karl needs to get a dog...Hilarious!


ONE MORE THING: Whenever Carmelo stepped to the free throw line at Staples Center, the fans chanted "D-U-I, D-U-I". Ha, ha, very clever, Lakers fans. Well I hope we Nuggets fans greet Lakers' star Kobe Bryant with a similar chant about his past infractions with the law when he arrives at Pepsi Center on Saturday. How about "SETTLE-MENT, SETTLE-MENT"? I'm open to any ideas you've got.

http://www.firegeorgekarl.com/2008/04/why-was-this-game-different-from-all.html


Pretty Dumb...is all I have to say. If you want to PO one of the best players in the NBA. By all means...do so. He will tear it up.

[TheChamp24]

One thing I want to say, is I hate the NBA's playoff schedule. I think its fricken retarded to have a game virtually every other day. Hell, sometimes 2 days off before another game(as in the Nugs-Lakers series).
Absolutely retarded, no wonder hardly anyone I know likes following the NBA playoffs.

[theAPAOps5]

The Nuggets actually flew home between games 1 and 2. If this game goes 7, and it won't, it will take 2 weeks to finish the series.

[Inkana7]

Go Cavs!

[montrose]

I can't believe Karl came out to say he was hoping to play the Hornets, what a coward.

On another note, RMN is reporting we may be starting Kleiza in an attempt to avoid Karl's moronic Anthony Carter on C/PF matchups.

[Punisher]

They're some really crappy games on tonight.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

And yet despite that both have 4 Championships and 3 MVP Finals Awards. Whewww! Glad we cleared that up. Hilarious!

We were talking about the head-to-head matchup - not just what their teams have done.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The "DUI" chants were tacky, I admit, but are Thuggets fans above that sort of thing themselves?

[Northman]

We were talking about the head-to-head matchup - not just what their teams have done.

The margin between the two that you quoted is very minimal at best. Hardly proof of being "owned" in your words.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The margin between the two that you quoted is very minimal at best. Hardly proof of being "owned" in your words.

I believe you described it as "close" in your words.

"Close" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.

But we're not talking about career stats - we're talking about the head-to-head matchup bewteen Shaq and Duncan.

Most recently:

Shaq has followed his own advice this season. In the Suns' two games with O’Neal against the Spurs, he has held Duncan to 15-of-40 shooting in two Phoenix victories. Without O’Neal, the Suns split with the Spurs and Duncan shot 22-of-41 from the field

http://www.nba.com/suns/news/pivotal_matchup_080417.html

[Northman]

I believe you described it as "close" in your words.

"Close" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades.

But we're not talking about career stats - we're talking about the head-to-head matchup bewteen Shaq and Duncan.

Most recently:

Interesting. Not too mention this last game Duncan had 40 to Shaq's 11. The last time before that where these two played each other Shaq had 14 pts and Duncan had 17. Before that O'neal had 16 pts and Duncan finished with 23. I dont know, i dont see the "owning" part that you mention. It looks more like a draw to me.

[worm]

New Orleans needs more respect.

Chris Paul might not win the MVP...but he will be the MVP of the 08 playoffs.

Would LOVE to see a Lakers \ NO series.

[Northman]

New Orleans needs more respect.

Chris Paul might not win the MVP...but he will be the MVP of the 08 playoffs.

Would LOVE to see a Lakers \ NO series.


Chris Paul is awesome. Another great Deacon. I hope they finish off the Mavs.

[snowtrx]

CP3 is officially the best point guard on the planet. At age 22, its scary to think what level his game will reach . He will also lead team USA back to dominace factoring both on the court and in practice. Our Defence will no longer look like they have never seen a pick n roll before!

[broncofan2438]

We need a freakn win tonight Nuggs!

[sgbfan]

CP3 is officially the best point guard on the planet. At age 22, its scary to think what level his game will reach . He will also lead team USA back to dominace factoring both on the court and in practice. Our Defence will no longer look like they have never seen a pick n roll before!

Maybe you should wait for him to win a playoff series before you declare him as a "the best ever". He was the best this year by a slim margin over Nash and Deron Williams, but 2 HOME playoff games doesn't make him the best ever.

[24champ]

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:pimp:

[sixtimeseight]

Maybe you should wait for him to win a playoff series before you declare him as a "the best ever". He was the best this year by a slim margin over Nash and Deron Williams, but 2 HOME playoff games doesn't make him the best ever.

Ummmmm.... nobody said he was the best ever. He said he was the best on the planet, meaning he's the best PG in the NBA right now. This is not debatable. He is better than Williams and Nash (lol) by a lot more than a "slim margin."

[snowtrx]

Maybe you should wait for him to win a playoff series before you declare him as a "the best ever". He was the best this year by a slim margin over Nash and Deron Williams, but 2 HOME playoff games doesn't make him the best ever.

Maybe you should learn how to read before you come with comments like that. He has many years to go before he is even in the conversation of best ever. Guys like Stockton, Thomas, Johnson, Nash, and Kidd deserve better than your reading comprehension just gave them. You :clown:

[theAPAOps5]

So the Nuggets are starting Kleiza tonight over AC. That is great news but I think the result will be the same. They also said they are going to play more zone which makes my head hurt. The Triangle Offense was designed originally to combat the zone. Please end the Nugget nightmare and hopefully cut some dead weight in coaching and players.

[24champ]

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a198/24champbailey/uno.jpg

[yavoon]

Maybe you should learn how to read before you come with comments like that. He has many years to go before he is even in the conversation of best ever. Guys like Stockton, Thomas, Johnson, Nash, and Kidd deserve better than your reading comprehension just gave them. You :clown:

jason kidd is overrated. where's the half court game?

[spdirty]

nuggets have the lead. yay.

[24champ]

nuggets have the lead. yay.

Lasted for about 2 seconds.:giggle:

[spdirty]

I am so sick of this team.

[azbroncfan]

Nuggets D is so pitiful that it makes role players look like allstars.

[spdirty]

Does This ****ing Team Know What The **** A Block Out Is????????????????????????????????

Game Over Series Over, **** You All, Your All Worthless Pieces Of **** Who Should Be Fired.

[24champ]

T up the Thuggets!!!!

[Paladin]

Ef you, Bailey.......

And LA, too....

[Punisher]

mvp! Mvp! Mvp!

[Punisher]

I apologize to you nuggs fans.. I tried to tell Kobe to settle down but he just didn't listened to me.

[Dagmar]

Can we fire Karl now?

[Punisher]

LMAO!! Are you guys watching Inside the NBA LOL Kenny Smith try to jump over the car LMAO

[broncofan2438]

**** the Lakers. Kobe is a rapist and i hope the Denver crowd gives it to him

[24champ]

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/getty/10/fullj.e879f3fd865de277e6b02195c7086bf0/e879f3fd865de277e6b02195c7086bf0-getty-80327528mw039_denver_nugget.jpg

MVP! 49 points and 10 assists.

[Punisher]

**** the Lakers. Kobe is a rapist and i hope the Denver crowd gives it to him

LMAO stop being mad 2438 I know the lakers fans are assholes but don't take it out on the team,Remember they're some raider fans in that Crowd. GO LAKERS!

[broncofan2438]

MVP my ass, give it to paul

[snowtrx]

**** the Lakers. Kobe is a rapist and i hope the Denver crowd gives it to him

What exactly do you want the crowd to give him? Hilarious!

[Punisher]

MVP my ass, give it to paul

Yea I got to agree with you on that Paul is the MVP he made the Hornets.I love kobe but i don't think he's going to get the MVP this year.

[snowtrx]

jason kidd is overrated. where's the half court game?

Tough to overrate someone with that many triple doubles.

[24champ]

i hope the Denver crowd gives it to him

That would be great. I hope they do.

Might be a little harder this time with Laker fans traveling out to Denver for this one.

[Punisher]

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[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LMAO!! Are you guys watching Inside the NBA LOL Kenny Smith try to jump over the car LMAO

:laugh:

That was almost as funny as watching the Thuggets lose their composure while Kobe was taking them to school.

:~ohyah!:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Kobe is a rapist...

http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/6549/36893098bobross6gj.jpg

[CBF1]

MVP my ass, give it to paul

You are sounding alot like a bitter faider fan bro. Sit back, drink a gallon of tequlia and relax. Kobe was never convicted of rape. Deal with it and enjoy the man's game, It is the best in the NBA.

[24champ]

:laugh:

That was almost as funny as watching the Thuggets lose their composure while Kobe was taking them to school.

:~ohyah!:

^5


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2008/04/ipt/1209016105.jpg

[Punisher]

^5


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2008/04/ipt/1209016105.jpg

YES!!!! CHAMPIONSHIP

[CBF1]

LMAO!! Are you guys watching Inside the NBA LOL Kenny Smith try to jump over the car LMAO

LOL I about pee'd my pants watching that clip. Every time they showed that I kept laughing harder and harder. Best wrap up show ever Hilarious!

[CBF1]

and the Thugget band wagon's wheels are starting to fall off :devil:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

^5


http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2008/04/ipt/1209016105.jpg

Incredible game from Kobe. WTF is JR Smith thinking trash talking with Kobe? Kobe just blows by him for the and 1...KB is not a guy you want to get fired up - especially if you can't back it up on the other end. Next thing you know tomorrow's paper JR calls Kobe overrated. :D

[TheChamp24]

My gosh, Lakers beat the weakest team in the West, and you guys act like this? lol
Seriously, who didn't predict the Nuggets would get rocked this series? Its like the Boston-Atlanta series, you know Boston is going to kill Atlanta.
These playoff matchups are starting to get boring. Everything seems like a blowout or the Eastern conference(which nobody cares about).
I guess I'll hit the snooze button until the Finals.

[24champ]

I thought the Lakers could have done better, they were missing Odom for most of the game due to Foul trouble and we played sloppy at times.

I also know the Lakers play very well on the road, so I expect the series to end in Denver.

....and JR Smith is whining like a baby in the post game presser. "It was a 8 on 5 game"

RIIIIGGHHT

Oh wait he had another comment, "I like coconuts up my butt."

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

and the Thugget band wagon's wheels are starting to fall off :devil:

:~ohyah!: :laugh:

BTW, In the past 15 years only 4 players have had a 40 point/10 assist game:

Kobe
T-Mac
Kevin Johnson
Chuck

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

You are sounding alot like a bitter faider fan bro. Sit back, drink a gallon of tequlia and relax. Kobe was never convicted of rape. Deal with it and enjoy the man's game, It is the best in the NBA.

+1 :~ohyah!:

Among all shooting guards, Kobe ranks first in:

points
rebounds
assists
steals
blocks

and 3rd in FG% and 12% in 3 point %...

that's AMAZING.

[yavoon]

Tough to overrate someone with that many triple doubles.

true, but he's basically made to get the triple double as a pass first excellent rebounding guard. and the triple double, while cool is a pretty artificial stat.

[24champ]

My gosh, Lakers beat the weakest team in the West, and you guys act like this? lol


Not nearly as funny watching your Thuggets blow up at the end of these two games.

[CBF1]

Not nearly as funny watching your Thuggets blow up at the end of these two games.
Be nice now, It is not nice to pick on the whiney losers :thumbsup:

[TheChamp24]

+1 :~ohyah!:

Among all shooting guards, Kobe ranks first in:

points
rebounds
assists
steals
blocks

and 3rd in FG% and 12% in 3 point %...

that's AMAZING.

source?

Not nearly as funny watching your Nuggets blow up at the end of these two games.

I honestly don't care about the NBA. Nuggets could win the Championship, and sure I'd be excited, but it will hardly mean a damn thing. Like the Avs, I thought it was cool when they won the Cup, but really, I don't care. Baseball and Football is where my heart and passion are.
And seriously, this is getting annoying, Thuggets? Come on now.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Be nice now, It is not nice to pick on the whiney losers :thumbsup:

:laugh:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

source?


http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byposition?pos=SG&conference=NBA&year=season_2007&sort=26

That's sortable stats...

One thing I might add, it doesn't have the combo guards or guard-forwards in it...for example Roy averages slightly more assists or J-Rich averages slightly more blocks...

Those were the only exceptions I found.

[TheChamp24]

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/stats/byposition?pos=SG&conference=NBA&year=season_2007&sort=26

That's sortable stats...

One thing I might add, it doesn't have the combo guards or guard-forwards in it...for example Roy averages slightly more assists or J-Rich averages slightly more blocks...

Those were the only exceptions I found.

Oh, well, that is different. I thought you were talking about all-time in the playoffs or something, something that would actually mean something to me.

[dbfan4life]

MVP my ass, give it to paul

Sorry, dude. If last night wasn't validation that Kobe is the best player in the league...really nothing else would do it for you.

[worm]

Sorry, dude. If last night wasn't validation that Kobe is the best player in the league...really nothing else would do it for you.

Have your watched Paul play?

To me it is a toss up. Kobe or Paul would BOTH be deserving of the award.

It is the most valuable player award....not the best player in the league award.

[Master___Pain]

The nick name No-Guts is apt here. this team has no heart and no defense. Stick a fork in the Nuggs. It'll be interesting to see if Camby and Iverson are still on this team come next season.

[CBF1]

Have your watched Paul play?

To me it is a toss up. Kobe or Paul would BOTH be deserving of the award.

It is the most valuable player award....not the best player in the league award.


Kobe has been the "Best player in the league" for years now, this year he is the MVP :thanku:

[broncofan2438]

Kobe is a crybaby biatch. First he wants out now he is sucking the front office's dick

[dbfan4life]

Have your watched Paul play?

To me it is a toss up. Kobe or Paul would BOTH be deserving of the award.

It is the most valuable player award....not the best player in the league award.

There's a difference? ???

They should rename it the "most valuable player on a winning team that without that player, the team would be crap award"...Wait, Kobe still wins!

Paul is a deserving candidate, no doubt. Wouldn't hate if he won it but he shouldn't. 8')

[ColoradoBuff]

Congrats Laker fans.

[azbroncfan]

YES!!!! CHAMPIONSHIP

Little early on this I believe. While the Lakers are beating up on a streetball team that refuses to play D the SPURS are still the champs and taking out a good team and are always overlooked. Utah is going to give the Lakers a run for their money too.

[24champ]

"Better learn not to talk to me," Bryant said of Smith's jabbering. "You shake the tree, a leopard's gonna fall out."


ROFL! JR got PWNT.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Kobe is a crybaby biatch. First he wants out now he is sucking the front office's dick

:oyvey:

Speaking of "whiney loser" Thuggets fans.

[theAPAOps5]

Hmmm Larry Brown resigned as VP for Philly to persue a coaching job. The Nuggets are also about to get swept and Karl will probably get the ax. Coincidence, I think now.

[UtesBroncoFan]

Ummmmm.... nobody said he was the best ever. He said he was the best on the planet, meaning he's the best PG in the NBA right now. This is not debatable. He is better than Williams and Nash (lol) by a lot more than a "slim margin."

Um okay?Thats why Chris Paul and NO gets rocked by Williams and Utah every time they play huh.

[Los Broncos]

Dam, Labron is a beast, now he is fun to watch.

[24champ]

The nick name No-Guts is apt here. this team has no heart and no defense. Stick a fork in the Nuggs. It'll be interesting to see if Camby and Iverson are still on this team come next season.

See: Portland Jailblazers.

[24champ]

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:rofl:

[Rabb]

nice work Utah, you pissed that game away

[Punisher]

The Jazz game is getting Clutch

[Rabb]

it really is one of the better ones so far..I may have spoken too soon

would be awesome if the Nuggs could do anything like this instead of allow a first round bye for some lucky team

[Punisher]

Boozer was open! What a dickhead

[Rabb]

yeah that was bonehead at its finest

[24champ]

Good news for Laker fans right there. I didn't want to face a rested Jazz team in the next round.

[Punisher]

Good news for Laker fans right there. I didn't want to face a rested Jazz team in the next round.

Really i think no Team can stop us,I'm happy facing anybody.

[24champ]

Really i think no Team can stop us,I'm happy facing anybody.

As of right now, I have some problems with our defense. Game 2 we were a little bit lacking on the Defense...though I think that has to do with LO out for most of the game. I hope Ariza comes back soon. We will need him to guard the Manu's of the West.

We are getting better every game.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Really i think no Team can stop us,I'm happy facing anybody.

+1 :thumbsup:

The best player in the world + a great supporting cast = championship, baby!

:~ohyah!:

[sixtimeseight]

Um okay?Thats why Chris Paul and NO gets rocked by Williams and Utah every time they play huh.

Ummmm yea, except that time that they won 110-98 and Paul had 24 points, 16 assists, 4 rebounds and 5 steals. Oops.

p.s. who the **** are you anyways?

[worm]

+1 :thumbsup:

The best player in the world + a great supporting cast = championship, baby!

:~ohyah!:

IF they win this year....a pretty big if with lots of Giants out there like BOS and NO....

but IF they win....then I think they are really capable of establishing the next dynasty when Ariza and Bynum come back.

This team is positioned perfectly for the next five years and beyond.

[cmhargrove]

"Dude, I can play some B-ball. Pick me, pick me."

[azbroncfan]

Ummmm yea, except that time that they won 110-98 and Paul had 24 points, 16 assists, 4 rebounds and 5 steals. Oops.

p.s. who the **** are you anyways?

That is the only good game Paul has had against Williams and that was in the first half with DWILL on the bench in foul trouble. But I do agree Paul is playing the best PG in the league right now.

[bombay]

The Nuggets are a fantasy team: they look great on paper, but struggle in reality. Lots of changes need to be made, starting with Karl. He just has no passion for the game anymore. Iverson needs to go, as much as I admire his work ethic. His domination of the ball is not conducive to winning basketball, and often contributes to his teammates becoming spectators. Camby probably needs to go, too. As Alfred Williams noted on the radio the other day, 'if Gasol is considered finesse, what does that make Camby?'. That had the ring of truth. I'm sick of the way Carmelo currently plays the game, but as young as he is it's tough to give up on him. At 28 or whatever, this is the 1st season that bryant has gotten over his me first style of play. Lots of pieces are in place, but some serious changes need to be made in this offseason.

[theAPAOps5]

I know this about playoff basketball but here is my proposal that I will hand to Stan Kroenke right before he boards his plain.

Honorable Stan, ---- You have to speak their speak

I provide you with the cures that ail your beloved Thuggets, er Nuggets. But truth be told you have a merry band of thieves and hoods.

I surmise to you that you fire George, sit and collect paycheck, Karl. I coach 8 year olds who can comprehend man to man and rotation better than you.

I also ask that you trade Carmelo Anthony to the highest bidder. He ain't ever going to be much except an offensive threat. Do you realized that he is a -14 when on the court. I understand you don't know what I just said. Ask your other team the Avs if -14 is a good thing. You will see ghost faces and probably crying. Why because they are trying to figure out who got that death stat and how. Carmelo probably doesn't even know about it unless its his drop in BAC between the arrest and his testing.

Marcus Camby should not be lauded as a great defender. Do you know the term blown by his man. Yeah neither does Marcus. He gets beat down low and like Mr. Elastic stretches those 9ft arms out and makes the awesome block of all bail out blocks. So get rid of him.

Nene I have no clue but **** he can't stay skinny in the offseason so enroll his fat ass on The Biggest Looser. Then keep him away from the lolitas and get him in the zone. Or since that is impossible ship his ass out too.

Please oh grand master of Sports Empires ( have to kiss some ass) Please Leave Lenis Kleiza, Eduardo Najera, J.R. Smith, brafldjaflksfha, I puked that I said this.

Blow out the dead weight and build around the effort guys.

Signed,

Your next GM

[bombay]

Gawd, Phoenix looks like a pushover to Stern's Floppers at home.

Please at least put up a fight.

[spdirty]

I know this about playoff basketball but here is my proposal that I will hand to Stan Kroenke right before he boards his plain.

Honorable Stan, ---- You have to speak their speak

I provide you with the cures that ail your beloved Thuggets, er Nuggets. But truth be told you have a merry band of thieves and hoods.

I surmise to you that you fire George, sit and collect paycheck, Karl. I coach 8 year olds who can comprehend man to man and rotation better than you.

I also ask that you trade Carmelo Anthony to the highest bidder. He ain't ever going to be much except an offensive threat. Do you realized that he is a -14 when on the court. I understand you don't know what I just said. Ask your other team the Avs if -14 is a good thing. You will see ghost faces and probably crying. Why because they are trying to figure out who got that death stat and how. Carmelo probably doesn't even know about it unless its his drop in BAC between the arrest and his testing.

Marcus Camby should not be lauded as a great defender. Do you know the term blown by his man. Yeah neither does Marcus. He gets beat down low and like Mr. Elastic stretches those 9ft arms out and makes the awesome block of all bail out blocks. So get rid of him.

Nene I have no clue but **** he can't stay skinny in the offseason so enroll his fat ass on The Biggest Looser. Then keep him away from the lolitas and get him in the zone. Or since that is impossible ship his ass out too.

Please oh grand master of Sports Empires ( have to kiss some ass) Please Leave Lenis Kleiza, Eduardo Najera, J.R. Smith, brafldjaflksfha, I puked that I said this.

Blow out the dead weight and build around the effort guys.

Signed,

Your next GM

what are we going to get for Melo?

And what about KMart?

[azbroncfan]

what are we going to get for Melo?

And what about KMart?

Den could get something for Melo but KMART you couldn't get a 12 pack of STROH's with that contract he has. I remember being so glad when Denver signed him because he was coming to Salt Lake next and I didn't want him at all in UTAH.

[theAPAOps5]

what are we going to get for Melo?

And what about KMart?

I keep KMart because he plays Defense. As for Melo you can get great value for him.

Honestly we aren't tossing Melo but I wish they could find a coach that will poud defense into his thick head.

[spdirty]

Den could get something for Melo but KMART you couldn't get a 12 pack of STROH's with that contract he has. I remember being so glad when Denver signed him because he was coming to Salt Lake next and I didn't want him at all in UTAH.

After this year I think they could get something for him. He has been a bright spot for this team this year. Plus, even though the contract is horrible, I think it only has 2 or 3 years left on it.

[spdirty]

I keep KMart because he plays Defense. As for Melo you can get great value for him.

Honestly we aren't tossing Melo but I wish they could find a coach that will poud defense into his thick head.

Id just love to see what teams would offer for him. I honestly have no clue.

[ZONA]

What is up with Nash? Man he is looking like dog meat out there. Shaq too. His defense is ok but for 20million, you would hope he had some offense left in the tank. I see almost nothing of the Shaq who used to just rip down the rims with people hanging on him. But if you want my take, the Suns are just getting whipped in the backcourt. Manu and Parker are just much much better then Bell, Nash and Barbosa. I think you have to make a trade for a 2 guard next year who can penetrate the lane. Hill is nice but also showing his age. This team looks very old suddenly. I think they must make some changes in the backcourt if they are to contend next year.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

What is up with Nash? Man he is looking like dog meat out there. Shaq too. His defense is ok but for 20million, you would hope he had some offense left in the tank. I see almost nothing of the Shaq who used to just rip down the rims with people hanging on him. But if you want my take, the Suns are just getting whipped in the backcourt. Manu and Parker are just much much better then Bell, Nash and Barbosa. I think you have to make a trade for a 2 guard next year who can penetrate the lane. Hill is nice but also showing his age. This team looks very old suddenly. I think they must make some changes in the backcourt if they are to contend next year.

I was wondering the same thing.

Judging from the way Shaq and the Suns were playing coming down the stretch in the last few weeks of the regular season, I was starting to believe they might actually have enough left to win this series.

I guess I should have stuck with my original prediction. ;D

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

IF they win this year....a pretty big if with lots of Giants out there like BOS and NO....

but IF they win....then I think they are really capable of establishing the next dynasty when Ariza and Bynum come back.

This team is positioned perfectly for the next five years and beyond.

Yep.

We are indeed positioned for another dynasty if we can keep the talent we have on the roster and if everyone stays healthy. :thumbsup:

Even with Drew out, there is no team I really fear at present. I like our chances in a seven game series against anybody right now.

Having #24 in the backcourt is like having #7 at QB. ;)

[azbroncfan]

This team looks very old suddenly.

Look old? They are old. Nash is getting exposed by the spurs for his inability to play D and is getting worked by Parker which affects him on the offensive end.

[broncofan2438]

Suns are done

[27atwater]

Funny, cuz a bunch of Suns fans were telling me before the series started that the Spurs were looking old...hmmm.

[worm]

Suns are done

Ya think? Way to go out on a limb.

[Northman]

Funny, cuz a bunch of Suns fans were telling me before the series started that the Spurs were looking old...hmmm.

funny how that works huh? All you kept hearing was "oh, the Spurs are playing like ass right now" You would think by now people would have learned not to underestimate Duncan and the Spurs.

[27atwater]

funny how that works huh? All you kept hearing was "oh, the Spurs are playing like ass right now" You would think by now people would have learned not to underestimate Duncan and the Spurs.

you would think

[DBBBSBS]

chris long at no 2 ??

[DBBBSBS]

dorsey at no 3 ??