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cmhargrove
04-17-2008, 09:01 AM
Mocking the draft is a skill, but don't believe everything you read

Story Highlights
How mock drafts helped the 49ers land Jerry Rice
Dwight Freeney is not a Raider because of mock drafts
An ex-NFL executive's seven rules for making a mock

By Michael Lombardi, SI.com

Michael Lombardi is a 22-year veteran of NFL personnel departments, spending eight years with the Raiders and nine years with the Browns, in addition to brief stints with the Broncos, Eagles and 49ers. This is his second column for SI.com. You can read his debut here.

Twenty-three years ago this month, I was sitting in the San Francisco 49ers draft room, less than 24 hours from being involved in my first NFL draft. My career started with San Francisco as a glorified errand boy willing to do whatever job it took to learn all about football. A frantic call came into the draft room: "Michael, Coach Walsh wants to see you in his office right away."

Scared and nervous, I marched up to see the Boss. Bill Walsh, in his eloquent voice and serious tone, told me: "I need to know what Will McDonough of the Boston Globe is going to have in his Mock Draft tomorrow. Do you know anyone in Boston who can read you the morning paper? I have Dr. Z's mock from Sports Illustrated in front of me here, but we need another reliable source to determine how high we may have to go to get one of those great wideouts."

Back in 1985 there were very few mocks and even fewer reliable ones. So off I went to get Bill the information he needed.

That next morning was draft day, and at 4 a.m. PST, with McDonough's mock in hand, I told Coach Walsh the news. He then told our general manager, John McVay, that we needed to move up into the "high teens" to assure us a chance to get our wide receiver. McVay, a very crafty executive and unsung hero of all the 49er championship teams, knew how to handle his job. He made a trade with the New England Patriots, moving us from 28th in the first round to 16th. Walsh was ecstatic, yet still nervous. He thought that was not far enough and asked, "Can we get any higher?"

Each attempt we made to move higher failed, and with the 10th pick in the first round, the Jets selected the first of our three wide receivers, Al Toon from Wisconsin. Three picks later, with Walsh on the phone trying to make another trade, the Bengals selected wide receiver Eddie Brown of Miami. We were down to just one. A very nervous and anxious draft room became scared to death. Buffalo was next and they selected Derrick Burroughs, a defensive back from Memphis. A big sigh of relief was exhaled throughout the room. Only the Chiefs stood in our way. Taking all their allotted time, the Chiefs finally selected running tight end Ethan Horton from North Carolina. The room erupted into a load roar and quickly we called New York to send in the name: Jerry Rice, wide receiver, Mississippi Valley State. We had our wideout.

Twenty-three years ago very few people did mocks. Eventually it got to the point that even my neighbors in Oakland would leave their mocks in my mailbox along with a few suggestions. Now everyone does a mock.

While I was with the Raiders, the mock drafts were important data for us to research. We would assign someone to sort all the Mocks and keep tabs on where and when any player was projected to go in the first round.. We would tally the amount of times we saw each player in the first round and had a pretty good idea, come draft day, of when players might be picked.

But most important to me were the players who were not mentioned. I knew certain players were really a perfect fit for the NFL, but would never see their names as a "top" player. I knew other teams shared the same thoughts and it made me wonder how high would these players rise in the actual draft?

A perfect example of a player who was never mentioned in the top 15 picks occurred during the 2002 mock draft period. The Raiders held two No. 1 picks as a result of the Jon Gruden trade with Tampa. Some people in our draft room loved the talent of Syracuse defensive end Dwight Freeney. In our mock research, we never read Freeney's name in the top 15; he was rumored to be a late first-rounder or early second. My sources around the league led me to believe the Denver Broncos were a potential suitor for him at 19. Seeing Freeney in the uniform of our archrival would have been my worst nightmare. We had made plans to move up based on our mock research and we felt that we would be safe at No. 17, two spots ahead of Denver.

The draft that year seemed to go as expected until the 11th pick. All the publications suggested Indianapolis Colts coach Tony Dungy and president Bill Polian needed to get a lineman who could add size to their defensive front. Unfortunately, it was not Wendell Bryant from Wisconsin as most mocks had suggested. It was Freeney. That one hurt. Our draft room in Oakland was stunned.

Was it a reach? Could the Colts have traded down and still gotten Freeney? The answer is a resounding no. Trading down always looks appealing to the fans, but when you have a player you love and know he can make a difference in your team's success, why risk losing him? The key to the draft is not what team has the most picks, but what team makes the best picks. The most critical lesson to learn here is one that was taught to me by Walsh. He used to say to me all the time during our draft preparation, "It does not matter where we pick them, it matters how they play."

So to help you along, here is my basic set of rules for making a mock:

1. With one week before the draft, never believe any team officials' quotes, especially what direction they may be headed with their selection. It is not in their best interest to let anything out.

2. As you do your research, if the team and the player are always the same, then the chances of that player going there are not very good. This applies particularly in the bottom 15 of the first round. Think outside the box and remember misinformation is what most teams are trying to pass along.

3. Running backs tend to slip. Backs have a short career in the NFL, so picking one high in the first round is a huge investment.

4. If the mock you're reading does not have six defensive linemen in the first round, stop reading it. Defensive linemen will go quickly. You have to work defensive and offensive linemen heavily in the first round.

5. After the 10th pick in the first round, it is all about how well you know what each team needs. Study the team needs and forget about the "Best Player Available" theory. It no longer applies. The draft today is so even in terms of talent that teams just pick to fill their needs. Put the player in the spot that fits those specific team needs.

6. The Giants, Raiders, Dolphins, Jaguars, Cowboys and Packers are size/speed teams. They will pick players that fit the size and speed profile for the position. So think "big and fast" before putting a name in for these teams.

Michael Lombardi has 22 years of NFL experience, working in player personnel with the Broncos, Raiders, Browns, Eagles and 49ers. Email comments to siwriters@simail.com.

brncs_fan
04-17-2008, 09:11 AM
:alky: Cheers to Oakland getting screwed out of getting Freeney.

Only the Chiefs stood in our way. Taking all their allotted time, the Chiefs finally selected running tight end Ethan Horton from North Carolina. The room erupted into a load roar and quickly we called New York to send in the name: Jerry Rice, wide receiver, Mississippi Valley State. We had our wideout.

End result, Jerry becomes the GOAT and Horton lasts exactly one season in KC compiling a staggering 128 yds recieving that year.

elsid13
04-17-2008, 09:13 AM
"4. If the mock you're reading does not have six defensive linemen in the first round, stop reading it. Defensive linemen will go quickly. You have to work defensive and offensive linemen heavily in the first round."

This is one that people always seem to forget. There is premium on the lines, but folks prefer the sexier picks of RB and WR.

Popcorn Sutton
04-17-2008, 09:25 AM
"4. If the mock you're reading does not have six defensive linemen in the first round, stop reading it. Defensive linemen will go quickly. You have to work defensive and offensive linemen heavily in the first round."

This is one that people always seem to forget. There is premium on the lines, but folks prefer the sexier picks of RB and WR.

I hope Lombardi was able to convey this to Shanahan late last season...

Merlin
04-17-2008, 09:39 AM
for making a mock:

1. With one week before the draft, never believe any team officials' quotes

2. the bottom 15 of the first round. Think outside the box and remember misinformation is what most teams are trying to pass along.

3. Running backs tend to slip. Backs have a short career in the NFL, so picking one high in the first round is a huge investment.

5. After the 10th pick...forget about the "Best Player Available" theory. It no longer applies.
So much for the people who complain about Denver's penchant for keeping their plans secret. They always would pick in the bottom 15

For those of you in love with picking a RB high, I know you still going to repeat your stupid mantra (it is especially stupid when concerning Denver and its history of RBs under Shanny), but it stupid to invest so much money and resources on a RB high on a draft. And this yr especially so when the draft is so deep in RBs

Lastly, those of you who love to always scream "Best player available", well it is just plainly short sighted. If your team is deep in that position, it makes absolutely no sense to pick the best available if that is the player. Also, best player available ONLY makes sense if it suits the style of play of the team. When you have issues at DL and OL you do not pick a RB in the first, especially when there are excellent ones later in the draft, your team is deep in RBs, and your team is excellent at plugging RBs.

PS Nice to see that Shanny had his eyes on Freeney, so much for him not caring about the DL. His failure is not recognizing the importance of moving up to get your need, which seems to have changed since 2006 draft.

bpc
04-17-2008, 10:35 AM
3. Running backs tend to slip. Backs have a short career in the NFL, so picking one high in the first round is a huge investment.

Good thing to remember with everybody on here who wants to take a franchise HB at 12 when we already have a couple solid ones on the roster, yet no depth at OT and DT.

Kaylore
04-17-2008, 11:43 AM
Good thing to remember with everybody on here who wants to take a franchise HB at 12 when we already have a couple solid ones on the roster, yet no depth at OT and DT.

So is this, which debunks the arguments they make supporting a back.

Study the team needs and forget about the "Best Player Available" theory. It no longer applies. The draft today is so even in terms of talent that teams just pick to fill their needs.

This is something that will enrage SoCal.
Trading down always looks appealing to the fans, but when you have a player you love and know he can make a difference in your team's success, why risk losing him? The key to the draft is not what team has the most picks, but what team makes the best picks.

Kaylore
04-17-2008, 11:46 AM
2. As you do your research, if the team and the player are always the same, then the chances of that player going there are not very good. This applies particularly in the bottom 15 of the first round. Think outside the box and remember misinformation is what most teams are trying to pass along.
This is particularly true of Shanahan. This suggests we will not being drafting: Keith Rivers, Clady, Williams, DeSean Jackson or Kenny Phillips.

Brandon Albert! :)

broncosteven
04-17-2008, 11:59 AM
This is particularly true of Shanahan. This suggests we will not being drafting: Keith Rivers, Clady, Williams, DeSean Jackson or Kenny Phillips.

Brandon Albert! :)

Truth or more Misinfo?

Hmmmmm......

kmonty
04-17-2008, 12:50 PM
I think the fact that the Broncos have not had a visit with Clady gives me hope.

Kaylore
04-17-2008, 01:07 PM
Truth or more Misinfo?

Hmmmmm......

That's the thing. Is the Kuper to LT just more posturing? I don't believe so, but it could be. Watch Shanahan trade up for McKelvin!

ScottXray
04-17-2008, 01:54 PM
I think the fact that the Broncos have not had a visit with Clady gives me hope.

Shanahan puts a premium on Intelligence, and Cladys lack of same makes his selection highly unlikely. If its a LT it will be Williams, Albert if its RT, G.

If Williams Albert and Otah are gone its ???? (assuming someone else falls)

chaz
04-17-2008, 02:29 PM
For those of you in love with picking a RB high, I know you still going to repeat your stupid mantra (it is especially stupid when concerning Denver and its history of RBs under Shanny), but it stupid to invest so much money and resources on a RB high on a draft. And this yr especially so when the draft is so deep in RBs.


This year is also deep at OT, and the Broncos also have a history of developing late-round O-line talent, AND the last first round OT taken by the Broncos was a huge waste of money...does that mean the Broncos shouldnt consider an ELITE OT at 12?! NO!!!So should the Broncos rule out drafting an ELITE RB just because some flame out, and we have developed later round talent before?! NO!!!

kmonty
04-17-2008, 02:50 PM
Shanahan puts a premium on Intelligence, and Cladys lack of same makes his selection highly unlikely. If its a LT it will be Williams, Albert if its RT, G.

If Williams Albert and Otah are gone its ???? (assuming someone else falls)

Are you really going to base Clady's intelligence on the Wonderlic tests? That's sad.

All I hear about is how everyone who's met Clady is extremely impressed with his football knowledge. He has experience in a zone blocking scheme and has all the physical tools we look for in an offensive tackle to boot.

goldengopher1976
04-17-2008, 02:57 PM
"It does not matter where we pick them, it matters how they play."

best quote from the article.

bpc
04-17-2008, 04:18 PM
This year is also deep at OT, and the Broncos also have a history of developing late-round O-line talent, AND the last first round OT taken by the Broncos was a huge waste of money...does that mean the Broncos shouldnt consider an ELITE OT at 12?! NO!!!So should the Broncos rule out drafting an ELITE RB just because some flame out, and we have developed later round talent before?! NO!!!

We've wasted money at every position, in all phases of this franchise. So why even spend money then? We won't go after FA's because we've blown money on ones before. We've blown draft picks. So we just should clam up and not draft anybody. Hell, why don't we just freeze this operation?

Some people's reasoning on this board is absolutely hillarious.

Listen, if Denver takes Mendenhal, will I be mad? No. If Denver takes Mendenhall and there are bigger answers left on the board at OT and DT... then yes, i'll be pissed.

Inkana7
04-17-2008, 04:43 PM
This is particularly true of Shanahan. This suggests we will not being drafting: Keith Rivers, Clady, Williams, DeSean Jackson or Kenny Phillips.

Brandon Albert! :)

That's not always true. Every mock had us taking Moss last year. What happened? We picked Jarvis Moss.

ScottXray
04-17-2008, 05:09 PM
Are you really going to base Clady's intelligence on the Wonderlic tests? That's sad.

All I hear about is how everyone who's met Clady is extremely impressed with his football knowledge. He has experience in a zone blocking scheme and has all the physical tools we look for in an offensive tackle to boot.

I'm going on reports that Cladys stock is dropping because he's not the brightest bulb in the pack. Maybe, maybe not. I have no personal knowledge, but I know that Shanny IS impressed with intelligent players.

If he really has Football smarts than great...

Kaylore
04-17-2008, 05:28 PM
That's not always true. Every mock had us taking Moss last year. What happened? We picked Jarvis Moss.

True. Though that would be the exception. Can we expect two exceptions in a row?

bap454
04-17-2008, 06:48 PM
I'm going on reports that Cladys stock is dropping because he's not the brightest bulb in the pack. Maybe, maybe not. I have no personal knowledge, but I know that Shanny IS impressed with intelligent players.If he really has Football smarts than great...

and this is were Williams from Vandy comes in.

dsmoot
04-17-2008, 10:51 PM
This year is also deep at OT, and the Broncos also have a history of developing late-round O-line talent, AND the last first round OT taken by the Broncos was a huge waste of money...does that mean the Broncos shouldnt consider an ELITE OT at 12?! NO!!!So should the Broncos rule out drafting an ELITE RB just because some flame out, and we have developed later round talent before?! NO!!!


How many elite or ProBowl OL has Denver developed during the Shanahan era. Not trades, not FA vet signings, actually developed. I am not talking about a pro bowl year but year in - year out near the top OL. Nalen. Thats it. I don't consider that success. As a unit, until recent years, the line has played very well. There is a myth that has propagated itself since the days of Zimmerman, Jones, Schlereth, Nalen, Neil, etc that Denver is a great picker/developer of OL. When in fact, I think there has been a subtle decline since the SB years. It hasn't been so subtle the last two years.

Should Denver rule out drafting an ELITE OL just because we think we are better than we actually are at developing OL??? NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chaz
04-18-2008, 12:39 AM
We've wasted money at every position, in all phases of this franchise. So why even spend money then? We won't go after FA's because we've blown money on ones before. We've blown draft picks. So we just should clam up and not draft anybody. Hell, why don't we just freeze this operation?

Some people's reasoning on this board is absolutely hillarious.

Listen, if Denver takes Mendenhal, will I be mad? No. If Denver takes Mendenhall and there are bigger answers left on the board at OT and DT... then yes, i'll be pissed.

Congratulations, you completely missed my point. Well done. You agreed with me...Merlin singled out our late round RB success...I said you could say that about RB too, (as well as other positions) but that shouldn't stop us from taking the elite player when available.

chaz
04-18-2008, 12:45 AM
How many elite or ProBowl OL has Denver developed during the Shanahan era. Not trades, not FA vet signings, actually developed. I am not talking about a pro bowl year but year in - year out near the top OL. Nalen. Thats it. I don't consider that success. As a unit, until recent years, the line has played very well. There is a myth that has propagated itself since the days of Zimmerman, Jones, Schlereth, Nalen, Neil, etc that Denver is a great picker/developer of OL. When in fact, I think there has been a subtle decline since the SB years. It hasn't been so subtle the last two years.

Should Denver rule out drafting an ELITE OL just because we think we are better than we actually are at developing OL??? NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you somewhat. However the main point of our o-line system is that the sum is greater than the parts. When you have solid, not spectacular, talent playing in sync with eachother you get great results. Shanahan's system has developed solid starters consistently, that fit this idea. That is not to say an elite talent should be left on the board, but how many year in year out pro-bowl RB's have we "developed" over the years...one. TD. Similarly, we have developed solid starters, but not superstars...

chanesaw
04-18-2008, 06:51 AM
Lepsis deserved a Pro-Bowl or two, but it is tough for our OL to make the Pro-Bowl because our cut-blocking gets a bad reputation around the league.

Broncoman13
04-18-2008, 11:24 AM
Jeff Otah is going to be a Bronco!!!

In the 2nd, if Chris Johnson is there he will be the pick. If not, say hello to any one od Red Bryant/Trevor Laws/Pat Sims.

This is going to be a very good draft. I have a feeling we are going to get some strong pieces out of this class. The only thing that scares me, Shanny may go after Jackson in the 2nd (Dexter) to make sure he has his Special, Special Teamer.

The other thing that scares me... Balmer at #12. That would suck, but its a need. Hopefully they see the value in OTs and stay there!

Bpc, what's your take on Otah now. Watching him play during the season you thought he was the best OT out there. Post combine and pro days, what are your thoughts?

Kaylore
04-18-2008, 11:49 AM
Jeff Otah is going to be a Bronco!!!

In the 2nd, if Chris Johnson is there he will be the pick. If not, say hello to any one od Red Bryant/Trevor Laws/Pat Sims.

This is going to be a very good draft. I have a feeling we are going to get some strong pieces out of this class. The only thing that scares me, Shanny may go after Jackson in the 2nd (Dexter) to make sure he has his Special, Special Teamer.

The other thing that scares me... Balmer at #12. That would suck, but its a need. Hopefully they see the value in OTs and stay there!

Bpc, what's your take on Otah now. Watching him play during the season you thought he was the best OT out there. Post combine and pro days, what are your thoughts?
I'm not BPC, but Otah looks like the next George Foster. Stiff hips, weird feet and underwhelming ability.

Broncoman13
04-18-2008, 12:14 PM
I know Wanny is more or less obligated to say good things about his players, but to call Otah the best he's ever coached... I doubt he'd put his credibility on the line if there wasn't a lot of truth in that statement.

Seems like Chris thought he was all world until he ran and had poor workout #s.

I've only heard about his game and talked to friends that are big fans, they all say he is outstanding. Same goes for Albert or Chris Williams though. How many people have watched these guys a lot? I'd like to see more on all of these guys, but based on what I've heard, Otah is a great fit at RT with potential to move to the Left. I'd be okay if that were the pick at 12 and I think the Broncos are atleast considering him.

Thanks for responding btw. I will agree that his workout #s suggest he is stiff and not a great athlete.

kmonty
04-18-2008, 03:16 PM
Michael Lombardi is a 22-year veteran of NFL personnel departments, spending eight years with the Raiders and nine years with the Browns, in addition to brief stints with the Broncos, Eagles and 49ers.

Did anyone else notice that this guy isn't exactly drafting with the all-time greats here? Eight years with the Raiders, nine with the Browns... neither have been drafting powerhouses by any means long term... I appreciate that he has tons more insider knowledge than I, but it at least makes me question his judgment.

After the 10th pick in the first round, it is all about how well you know what each team needs. Study the team needs and forget about the "Best Player Available" theory. It no longer applies. The draft today is so even in terms of talent that teams just pick to fill their needs. Put the player in the spot that fits those specific team needs.

You think Scott Pioli and A.J. Smith follow this? Maybe we shouldn't be listening to this guy....? hmmm... ???