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Here is his new mock is Branden Albert worth the 5th pick?
1 Miami Dolphins Jake Long,
2 St. Louis Rams Chris Long,
3 Atlanta Falcons Glenn Dorsey,
4 Oakland Raiders *Darren McFadden,
5 Kansas City Chiefs *Branden Albert,
6 New York Jets *Vernon Gholston,
7 New England Patriots (from SF) *Aqib Talib,
8 Baltimore Ravens Matt Ryan, QB
9 Cincinnati Bengals Sedrick Ellis,
10 New Orleans Saints Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, .
11 Buffalo Bills *Derrick Harvey,
12 Denver Broncos Keith Rivers,
13 Carolina Panthers *Ryan Clady,
14 Chicago Bears Chris Williams,
15 Detroit Lions *Rashard Mendenhall,
16 Arizona Cardinals Leodis McKelvin,
17 Minnesota Vikings *Phillip Merling,
18 Houston Texans *Jonathan Stewart,
19 Philadelphia Eagles Jeff Otah,
20 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Mike Jenkins,
21 Washington Redskins *Devin Thomas,
22 Dallas Cowboys (from CLE*Felix Jones,
23 Pittsburgh Steelers Kentwan Balmer,
24 Tennessee Titans *DeSean Jackson,
25 Seattle Seahawks Dustin Keller,
26 Jacksonville Jaguars Lawrence Jackson,
27 San Diego Chargers Gosder Cherilus,
28 Dallas Cowboys *Justin King,
29 San Francisco 49ers (from IND) *Jerod Mayo,
30 Green Bay Packers *Brandon Flowers,
31 New England Patriots Forfeited pick
32 New York Giants Tyrell Johnson, S
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft08/columns/story?columnist=kiper_jr_mel&page=kipermock080401
Mediator12
04-02-2008, 11:40 AM
Notice How high he has Marcellous "Tyrell" Johnson of Arkansas State being drafted at the end of round 1.
I could only get 2 games of his against Texas and Tennessee, but he was damn impressive against two teams that totally overmatched his team with raw talent. He even got Eric Ainge for a pick six and picked Colt McCoy.
I seriously think he could be a Bronco after this draft. I think I will officially start that Bandwagon here soon.
Haroldthebarrel
04-02-2008, 12:03 PM
Notice How high he has Marcellous "Tyrell" Johnson of Arkansas State being drafted at the end of round 1.
I could only get 2 games of his against Texas and Tennessee, but he was damn impressive against two teams that totally overmatched his team with raw talent. He even got Eric Ainge for a pick six and picked Colt McCoy.
I seriously think he could be a Bronco after this draft. I think I will officially start that Bandwagon here soon.
What do you think of the OT crop?
Personally I, like many others are really interested in getting Williams should he be there. He reminds me a lot of Levi Jones coming out who I think I recall we had him as a "fab five". Trade down looks like a great option this year though.
SouthStndJunkie
04-02-2008, 12:04 PM
I have Albert ahead of Clady and it would not surprise me to see him be a top ten selection.
I have Albert ahead of Clady and it would not surprise me to see him be a top ten selection.
Not sure about top 10.The 6-10 teams have much bigger holes on defense with good value, NYJ, NE (aging defense), Bal, Cin, and NO. So if he does not go top 5, I see him 11-20, as a lot of the teams 11-15 need OL help.
I totally agree with him having Jerod Mayo going in the frist.
s0phr0syne
04-02-2008, 12:21 PM
I think Kiper was just looking to make some noise with this mock...he can't seriously believe Justin King is a 1st Rd prospect....right?
Notice How high he has Marcellous "Tyrell" Johnson of Arkansas State being drafted at the end of round 1.
I could only get 2 games of his against Texas and Tennessee, but he was damn impressive against two teams that totally overmatched his team with raw talent. He even got Eric Ainge for a pick six and picked Colt McCoy.
I seriously think he could be a Bronco after this draft. I think I will officially start that Bandwagon here soon.
Tyrell Johnson recorded the most reps by any defensive back at the Combine with 27 also had a 40 Yrd Dash: of 4.41
He reminds me of Ken Hamlin - Cowboys
He'll be a beast on special teams right off the bat and after a year or two of taking in coaching and advice from veterans, Johnson could be primed for a big year. There isn't a safety I have seen since Bob Sanders that attacks the line the way Johnson does .
Tyrell Johnson interception
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SouthStndJunkie
04-02-2008, 12:29 PM
Not sure about top 10.The 6-10 teams have much bigger holes on defense with good value, NYJ, NE (aging defense), Bal, Cin, and NO. So if he does not go top 5, I see him 11-20, as a lot of the teams 11-15 need OL help.
It would be very easy for a team to trade up into the top ten to take Albert if they wanted him bad enough. The draft order is certainly not set in stone.
I think Kiper was just looking to make some noise with this mock...he can't seriously believe Justin King is a 1st Rd prospect....right?
King should have gone out as a receiver instead of a cornerback. Now he's just a fast guy that needs to develop at his position to make it at the NFL level. That said, he's a high-character guy who also happened to be a workout warrior at the Combine and the Penn State pro day. Now I hate workout warriors as much as the scouts love them, but King looked great and he's jumped up the board significantly since he first declared for the draft.
He ran in the low 4.3s at the combine then looked outstanding in position drills during his individual workout.
Surprised or not surprised? King's efforts last year, although arguably mediocre, still earned him a spot on the All-Big Ten team. And unlike some of his former teammates, he managed to stay out of trouble .
Justin King Runs Down Rashard Mendenhall
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Mediator12
04-02-2008, 12:41 PM
King should have gone out as a receiver instead of a cornerback. Now he's just a fast guy that needs to develop at his position to make it at the NFL level. That said, he's a high-character guy who also happened to be a workout warrior at the Combine and the Penn State pro day. Now I hate workout warriors as much as the scouts love them, but King looked great and he's jumped up the board significantly since he first declared for the draft.
He ran in the low 4.3s at the combine then looked outstanding in position drills during his individual workout.
Surprised or not surprised? King's efforts last year, although arguably mediocre, still earned him a spot on the All-Big Ten team. And unlike some of his former teammates, he managed to stay out of trouble .
Justin King Runs Down Rashard Mendenhall
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King also got totally worked over by James Hardy last year. Hardy annihilated him with 14 receptions for 142 and 2 TD's. King is talented but lacks consistency. I freaking hate teams that move potential players like King up draft boards. He is a 3rd prospect, but CB is a value position and teams will reach to get a CB.
s0phr0syne
04-02-2008, 12:45 PM
Yeah, I mean I've been keeping track of King through his work outs and I've also been impressed by some of the numbers I've seen. I haven't really seen him play much however, so it seemed odd that someone who was earlier being touted as a 3rd/4th round pick is now a 1st round pick according to Kiper.
It happens year after year, but I still get caught off guard when a player vaults into the 1st round because of workout numbers. There's a difference between someone like Rodgers-Cromartie and King. Rodgers-Cromartie has been catching a lot of attention because of a combination of awesome Senior Bowl practices/performance and his showing at the Combine in terms of numbers. Maybe King has done the same...but I haven't seen any reports indicating that.
It would be very easy for a team to trade up into the top ten to take Albert if they wanted him bad enough. The draft order is certainly not set in stone.This draft is gonna be pretty crazy i think.. full of surprises... even more than last year
I don't think many people thought Levi Brown was going no.5 last year.
Kaylore
04-02-2008, 12:48 PM
Mel Kiper and his plastic hair.
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/rotten-robbie-120.jpg
Man, I want Albert to be a Bronco. I hope he's wrong. Albert will pwn us as a Chief. Keith Rivers sucks.
Mediator12
04-02-2008, 12:53 PM
This draft is gonna be pretty crazy i think.. full of surprises... even more than last year
I don't think many people thought Levi Brown was going no.5 last year.
OT's are super value postions in the draft. Teams will maneuver and lose value to get good ones almost like they would QB. This draft has 5-6 really good prospects at OT and the Run on OT's could spark some real interesting trades and deals.
After the top 6 Top tier players, the next tier will be severely influenced on WHO takes OT. If Clady is on the Board at 12, I would believe DEN's phones would be real busy. That would be HOW DEN could trade out of 12 and Get some value. They might even get multiple suitors as CAR and CHI might be afraid of who the other will want to select. It's a big game of poker at that point with DEN having the upper hand.
Mediator12
04-02-2008, 12:56 PM
As for the question of Albert being a top 5 pick in value: not at OG. IF teams truly project him as an OT then maybe. I just do NOT think he belongs in the top 6 elite players in this draft. He might be a top second tier player, but that seems a little inflated. However, it makes sense as teams WILL reach for OT.
SpringStein
04-02-2008, 02:13 PM
I don't think Rivers sucks, but if Shanahan is to be believed and DJ is moving back to WLB, drafting Rivers makes no sense.
Rohirrim
04-02-2008, 02:16 PM
If Plastichead thinks that Parcells is going to take a LT with the first pick, he doesn't know the Big Tuna very well.
I don't think Rivers sucks, but if Shanahan is to be believed and DJ is moving back to WLB, drafting Rivers makes no sense.
Right, I'm actually pretty comfortable with our LB corp as it is...much bigger holes to fill.
elsid13
04-02-2008, 07:31 PM
I don't think Rivers sucks, but if Shanahan is to be believed and DJ is moving back to WLB, drafting Rivers makes no sense.
Unless Shanahan doesn't think DJ will resign and he wants a replacement in the wings.
eddie mac
04-02-2008, 08:19 PM
Unless Shanahan doesn't think DJ will resign and he wants a replacement in the wings.
Still wouldn't be an immediate hole in a team that looks like a string vest at present.
bap454
04-03-2008, 03:08 AM
Mel Kiper and his plastic hair.
http://www.virginmedia.com/images/rotten-robbie-120.jpg
Man, I want Albert to be a Bronco. I hope he's wrong. Albert will pwn us as a Chief. Keith Rivers sucks.
I would also have no problem with Albert at 12. As far as Rivers sucking....no chance. He totally blew up at the pro day today. Im only hoping he is there when we pick. Im almost ashamed that I fell into the Connors vs Rivers debate. Connors is a scrub compared to Rivers. Yes this is all based on the combine, proday, Mel Kiper, and my neighbor.:strong:
Rivers is an athlete, not a football player. I hope someone overdrafts him because that only increases the chance that Ellis or Dorsey slides to us, both of which would be much better picks.
oubronco
04-03-2008, 09:54 AM
If they take Rivers and Clady and Williams are still there I'm going to be pissed
Kaylore
04-03-2008, 10:17 AM
I would also have no problem with Albert at 12. As far as Rivers sucking....no chance. He totally blew up at the pro day today. Im only hoping he is there when we pick. Im almost ashamed that I fell into the Connors vs Rivers debate. Connors is a scrub compared to Rivers. Yes this is all based on the combine, proday, Mel Kiper, and my neighbor.:strong:
I saw that and still feel like he's the Vernon Davis of the draft. I don't really see him shed tackles or make big plays. He did have the second best defensive tackle in college football plowing the road for him. I still say no to Rivers.
cmhargrove
04-03-2008, 10:29 AM
I saw that and still feel like he's the Vernon Davis of the draft. I don't really see him shed tackles or make big plays. He did have the second best defensive tackle in college football plowing the road for him. I still say no to Rivers.
I hope we get the O-lineman of our drams (or Ellis drops), but there was some pretty sweet footage of Rivers at the senior bowl where he blows up a block from Owen Schmidt and pops his helmet off. He looks like he has some tools against the run. Actually I could see him making a pretty successful OLB for a 3-4 scheme. The Ravens have other needs, but they could take a guy like Rivers and turn him into a superstar - IMO.
Broncoman13
04-03-2008, 10:33 AM
Clady there at #12, trade down to 13-15 range, pick up a 3rd and then take your WR in the first... I'd love to see the Broncos trade down to the 18-20 range, get an extra 2nd and then take either Williams or Otah at #18-20. Then you gamble on any of Hardy, Kelly, Manningham in the 2nd.
No doubt about though, we will draft a WR EARLY in this draft. The Broncos are scared to death that BMarsh won't be ready for this season!
Mediator12
04-03-2008, 10:51 AM
I saw that and still feel like he's the Vernon Davis of the draft. I don't really see him shed tackles or make big plays. He did have the second best defensive tackle in college football plowing the road for him. I still say no to Rivers.
USC'S DL was one of the top 3, if not the best in College last year. USC's other DT Fili Moala would have been another 1st round DT to go with Ellis. Basically, they had 2 of the top 5 DT's in the whole country, IMHO. Add, Lawrence Jackson, Kyle Moore, and Everson Griffin and that DL was lethal.
The LB's are all verygood, Especially Rey Maualuga, but they look incredible behind that kind of talent up front.
Beantown Bronco
04-03-2008, 11:11 AM
The Packers must REALLY like the Killers if they're willing to spend a first rounder on their lead singer. He must have a good arm.