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elsid13
04-01-2008, 05:32 PM
This was very good piece about the bailout plan that the Bush Admin is pushing. My problem with this it the same BS that cause problems in the first place.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080401/ap_on_bi_co_ne/all_business;_ylt=Agz3w9R9qAL2HAUSM4Is1RqyBhIF


ALL BUSINESS: Risks of dismantling SEC By RACHEL BECK, AP Business Writer
Tue Apr 1, 1:34 PM ET



When Wall Street and big business favor a government plan to make the biggest changes in securities regulation since the Great Depression, the rest of us should question their motives.

Under a Bush administration proposal to restructure the financial system, the power and authority of the Securities and Exchange Commission — which oversees investment banks, stock exchanges and publicly traded companies — could diminish.

That could hurt all investors. This plan may be proof that the government serves the business lobby's interests rather than those of smaller investors.

"The Treasury Department's blueprint is designed to boost Wall Street's competitiveness, not Main Street investor protection," said Karen Tyler, president of the North American Securities Administrators Association and the securities commissioner of North Dakota.

It's not that the SEC, considered the top cop for the securities industry since it was founded in 1934, is being thrown off the beat. But how the agency would monitor entities under its watch could change under the plan announced Monday by Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.

The 218-page proposal calls for a sweeping overhaul of how the government regulates thousands of businesses from the nation's biggest banks and investment houses down to the local insurance agent and mortgage broker. Leading the charge will be the Federal Reserve, which will have the power to protect the stability of the entire financial system.

Paulson is spinning the plan as a way to improve and modernize the regulatory system, something needed given the current financial turmoil. But many of the changes aren't necessarily drawn from new ideas; they've been on the administration's to-do list, which has been growing since President Bush took over the White House in January 2001.

In November of that year, then SEC chairman Harvey Pitt spoke of the need "for a fundamental reexamination of our regulatory framework." But as he acknowledged in an interview this week, the flurry of scandals beginning with the implosion of Enron late that year never made a thorough review possible.

So now, as uncertainty plagues the marketplace, some old ideas with a seemingly current timeliness are being trotted out, and among the biggest targets is the SEC.

"This is the last great attempt by this administration to undo SEC regulation," said Lynn Turner, former chief accountant at the SEC in the late 1990s who now is an independent consultant. "They say they want to make the system more efficient, but they really want to dismantle the system."

The plan calls for the merger of the SEC and the Commodity Futures Trading Commission. Of itself that isn't a bad idea because many financial futures track securities products.

More troublesome, though, is that the Treasury endorsed the CFTC's use of so-called principles-based regulation, in which conceptual guidelines are used instead of specific rules. The government also said the SEC, which follows a "rules-based" approach, should apply the principles approach to its oversight of stock exchanges. Critics say that opens regulation up to interpretation.

The plan also calls for more reliance on self-regulatory bodies, modeled after groups such as the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority — the watchdog for securities firms — for oversight and rule making. In making the case for establishing a self-regulatory framework for the investment advisory industry, the proposal says that would "be more cost-effective than direct SEC regulation."

The plan gives no clarification on what practices need to be stopped or how to make the system more transparent. It also doesn't discuss issues like improved enforcement or how to curb risky financial products like derivatives that have been the root cause of the financial turmoil seen in the last year.

The plan won immediate praise from industry trade groups that would benefit from any easing of regulation. Among those supporters are the Wall Street-focused Securities Industry and Financial Markets Association and the Business Roundtable, which represents CEOs at many of the nation's largest companies.

The SEC gave a more ambiguous response. "The proposed consolidation of responsibility for investor protection and the regulation of financial products deserve serious consideration as a way to better address the realities of today's markets," SEC Chairman Christopher Cox said in a statement.

Cox may see the writing of his legacy on the wall — the SEC under his tenure has been considered largely ineffective, with few significant changes coming since the former Republican congressman took the agency's helm in 2005. If this plan goes though, he could be the last chairman of the SEC as we know it.

The man who Cox replaced, former chairman William Donaldson who served from 2003 to 2005, says modernizing and reorganizing the financial system make a lot of sense. But he warns against any quick dismantling of the SEC, especially in a proposal where the "devil is in the details," he said this week.
He's got that right — this plan is a dressed up way to bolster a hands-off approach to regulation. Given what has happened in the financial world in recent months, it doesn't seem like the right time to give anyone a longer leash.

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Rachel Beck is the national business columnist for The Associated Press. Write to her at rbeck(at)ap.org

(This version CORRECTS quote to say " to make," instead of "the make.")

Rohirrim
04-01-2008, 06:06 PM
This is like hiring a panel of foxes to discuss hen house security.

TailgateNut
04-01-2008, 06:27 PM
This is like hiring a panel of foxes to discuss hen house security.


Ya think? I always have the dogs guard my steaks.:spit:

elsid13
04-01-2008, 06:32 PM
This what piss me off about this administration. It so so tied into its ideological belief, it refuse to alter them no matter what. And when those belief have no solid economic or scientific foundation it doesn't matter, they will continue to push thier agenda again and again.

Dudeskey
04-01-2008, 07:52 PM
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cutthemdown
04-01-2008, 08:08 PM
I'm just not smart enough to really know what should be done. I read all that and then read an article for the deregulation and they both sound good and make good points.

I still think the biggest problem is in just making sure people have verified income before giving them a loan. These banks were giving people huge jumbo loans based soley on stated income. People just lied to get the house they wan't.

I don't really think the market is in that bad of shape. There is problem with companies fudging the books on the proftis and doing illegal bookeeping. I'm not sure how less oversight will help that. It seems like they need specific rules and oversight to make sure it gets followed. Some sort of standard used to calculate profits and losses that every company follows.

elsid13
04-01-2008, 08:48 PM
I'm just not smart enough to really know what should be done. I read all that and then read an article for the deregulation and they both sound good and make good points.

I still think the biggest problem is in just making sure people have verified income before giving them a loan. These banks were giving people huge jumbo loans based soley on stated income. People just lied to get the house they wan't.

I don't really think the market is in that bad of shape. There is problem with companies fudging the books on the proftis and doing illegal bookeeping. I'm not sure how less oversight will help that. It seems like they need specific rules and oversight to make sure it gets followed. Some sort of standard used to calculate profits and losses that every company follows.


But this proposal doesn't solve the mortgage/credit problem. It is the misguided attempt to remove the Feds - in this case SEC- from having legal oversight and power to enforce the common rules. Bush admin since came in has stupid idea that private sector will self regulate and not break the rules.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-01-2008, 09:11 PM
This is like hiring a panel of foxes to discuss hen house security.

:D :yep:

That pretty much sums up the whole BushCo/neocon philosophy of government in a nutshell.

(See also neocon rule #2: Mismanage and run every government program you dislike into the ground, and then, when the program breaks down or is in danger of insolvency, point to said breakdown as evidence that the program was flawed from the outset.)

Bronco Jamus
04-01-2008, 09:18 PM
This what piss me off about this administration. It so so tied into its ideological belief, it refuse to alter them no matter what. And when those belief have no solid economic or scientific foundation it doesn't matter, they will continue to push thier agenda again and again.

This is so true. I think our next President, be it Obama or McCain, will be better able to compromise. Bush better get what ever else he wants get done soon, because he's fast approaching official lame duck status.

footstepsfrom#27
04-01-2008, 10:03 PM
Just about the time I'd decided we couldn't get any stupider, I'm proven wrong yet again. I do a lot of work in the markets with clients interested in integrating investment and management strategies across collaborative environments where the biggest hurdle is developing trust. A single super agency with the interests of Wall Street trumping the small investor's concerns? I can't think of a bigger catastrophe than further damaging investor confidence at a level where regulatory "principle" replaces strict rules. That's simply insane. Apparently the lessons of Enron have been lost on this President. Janruary can't come soon enough.

BroncoBuff
04-02-2008, 01:44 AM
This is like hiring a panel of foxes to discuss hen house security.
That's the Bush Administration private sector oversight philosophy in a nutshell. From Day 1 they gutted every business oversight arm in the Justice Department... it would be scandalous in and of itself in any other administration.

Bronco_Beerslug
04-02-2008, 07:29 AM
This is so true. I think our next President, be it Obama or McCain, will be better able to compromise. Bush better get what ever else he wants get done soon, because he's fast approaching official lame duck status.
Another April fools joke?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
04-03-2008, 02:58 AM
Another April fools joke?

Consider the source. ;)

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