Cutler tiring of Marshall's problems (M)

[montrose]

Cutler tiring of Marshall's problems
By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News

ENGLEWOOD — Jay Cutler considers Brandon Marshall a friend and his No. 1 receiver with the Broncos.

But frankly, the quarterback is tiring of hearing about his off-field exploits – and explanations.

“He’s not my favorite person right now,” Cutler told a group of media at the team’s Dove Valley complex.

A right forearm injury will sideline Marshall until training camp. Cutler worked alongside the receiver and tight end Tony Scheffler earlier this offseason, so there shouldn’t be any long-term problems getting in sync. But Marshall’s history is troubling. And Cutler had plans over the next few months that have been erased by shards of glass.

“I support him and stuff but it’s always something with him right now. And you can’t have that,” Cutler said, adding he’s spoken to Marshall “many times” about his problems staying “clean-cut,” as the receiver put it last week.

“Going into his third year, coming off a big year last year, it’s disappointing,” Cutler added. “With Jeremy Bates taking over the passing game we wanted to get a lot of work in this summer and obviously he was going to be a big part of that. And now it’s up in the air when he’s going to come back.”

Cutler believes Marshall knows he’s running out of chances, despite his talent.

“This wasn’t like his DUI and other stuff he’s had. It was an accident. But, still, stuff like that can’t happen. Hopefully this is the last.”

Marshall told the media last week his latest accident was a ‘wake-up’ call. Cutler isn’t totally buying it.

“I mean, a DUI is a wake-up call. He’s had many wake-up calls,” the quarterback said. “He’s been in (coach Mike) Shanahan’s office many times. I’ve been up there with him and he’s said the same thing, ‘It’s a wake-up call, a lot of things are going to happen.’ Blah, blah, blah. Until he goes out and proves it, we’ll see what happens.”

The quarterback joked that he even has extra rooms in his house if he wants to crash.

That’s for sleep, not through television sets.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/apr/01/cutler-tiring-marshalls--field-woes/

[kmonty]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/apr/01/cutler-tiring-marshalls--field-woes/

By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 12:20 p.m., April 1, 2008
Updated 12:20 p.m., April 1, 2008

ENGLEWOOD — Jay Cutler considers Brandon Marshall a friend and his No. 1 receiver with the Broncos.

But frankly, the quarterback is tiring of hearing about his off-field exploits – and explanations.

“He’s not my favorite person right now,” Cutler told a group of media at the team’s Dove Valley complex.

A right forearm injury will sideline Marshall until training camp. Cutler worked alongside the receiver and tight end Tony Scheffler earlier this offseason, so there shouldn’t be any long-term problems getting in sync. But Marshall’s history is troubling. And Cutler had plans over the next few months that have been erased by shards of glass.

“I support him and stuff but it’s always something with him right now. And you can’t have that,” Cutler said, adding he’s spoken to Marshall “many times” about his problems staying “clean-cut,” as the receiver put it last week.

“Going into his third year, coming off a big year last year, it’s disappointing,” Cutler added. “With Jeremy Bates taking over the passing game we wanted to get a lot of work in this summer and obviously he was going to be a big part of that. And now it’s up in the air when he’s going to come back.”

Cutler believes Marshall knows he’s running out of chances, despite his talent.

“This wasn’t like his DUI and other stuff he’s had. It was an accident. But, still, stuff like that can’t happen. Hopefully this is the last.”

Marshall told the media last week his latest accident was a ‘wake-up’ call. Cutler isn’t totally buying it.

“I mean, a DUI is a wake-up call. He’s had many wake-up calls,” the quarterback said. “He’s been in (coach Mike) Shanahan’s office many times. I’ve been up there with him and he’s said the same thing, ‘It’s a wake-up call, a lot of things are going to happen.’ Blah, blah, blah. Until he goes out and proves it, we’ll see what happens.”

The quarterback joked that he even has extra rooms in his house if he wants to crash.

That’s for sleep, not through television sets.

[kmonty]

Beat me by a minute...

[Memento]

No April Fools joke...

Love the leadership I'm seeing in Cutler. Here's the link: http://www.gazette.com/sports/cutler_34829___article.html/marshall_receiver.html

Cutler criticizes Marshall's behavior
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April 1, 2008 - 12:33PM
By FRANK SCHWAB
THE GAZETTE

ENGLEWOOD - Quarterback Jay Cutler is tired of hearing about receiver Brandon Marshall's off-field problems.

After the latest mishap, a serious arm injury Marshall suffered after wrestling around with his brother, Cutler said he was disappointed with his top receiver and the drama had to stop.

"He's not my favorite person right now," Cutler said today.

Cutler said he has spoken to Marshall many times, including attending a basketball game with him since the injury, but he said he can't keep getting in trouble.

"I support him and stuff, but it's always something with him right now and you can't have that," Cutler said.

Marshall's timetable to return is three to four months, which should put him back on the field before training camp. However, Cutler was frustrated that he wouldn't be able to work with Marshall much during the offseason minicamps.

Marshall was also arrested twice last year, once on suspicion of domestic violence and false imprisonment - that case was dropped - and another on suspicion of driving under the influence. Marshall has pleaded not guilty and faces a trial for the charge in June.

"He knows he's running out of chances," Cutler said. "This wasn't like his DUI and other stuff he's had, this was an accident, but still, things like that can't happen."

Marshall said last week the injury was a wake-up call for him and he needs to grow up, but Cutler was skeptical.

"I mean, the DUI was a wake-up call," Cutler said. "He's had many wake-up calls. He's been in Shanahan's office many times and I've been up there with him. He said the same thing, ‘This is wake-up call, this is the last thing that's going to happen, blah, blah, blah.' Until he goes out and proves it, we'll see what happens."

CONTACT THE WRITER: 476-4891 or frank.schwab@gazette.com.

[bronco militia]

WOW

ha ha

[CBF1]

Brandon has Flava Clown written all over him. I am glad to see Jay stand up and take control of HIS offense

[Meck77]

Well regardless of what any of us think, Cutler's opinion speaks volumes on the situation. I guess all that off season bonding/training didn't pan out.

[bronco militia]

calling out teamates through the media is not cool

[tsiguy96]

am i the only one who does not believe anyone at any time and any place on 4/1?

[Doggcow]

Damnit, I thought they were tight. Like Mighty Putty. This saddens me greatly. Marshall is a beast.

[Doggcow]

So I guess this is a lie now? it used to say NOT AN APRIL FOOLS JOKE. He must have edited it.

Good.

[kmonty]

Definitely mixed feelings... don't like it when anyone calls out someone through the media.

But I love the leadership Cutler is showing.

[kmonty]

The video's on the front page of DenverBroncos.com right now...
and no, he's not joking, but he does say "I love him to death" a bunch of times

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Yeah, i didnt take his words as mean spirited at all. I say stuff like that to my friends if they are obviously f'ing up.

[Kaylore]

Definitely mixed feelings... don't like it when anyone calls out someone through the media.

But I love the leadership Cutler is showing.

He's probably spoken to him privately like sixty times. They even babysat him part of the offseason. This is another way to try and penetrate the thick, dense material known as Baby TO's skull.

[DB_champ24]

Damnit, I thought they were tight. Like Mighty Putty. This saddens me greatly. Marshall is a beast.

I'm sure they still are very tight but Cutler wants to win and he's saying Marshall needs to shape up...If my Best Friends were messing up I'd say the same thing.

[bronco militia]

sure, but I wouldn't share it with the media

[crush17]

Cutler does not sound enthusiastic about ANYTHING in that interview.

Pretty disheartening.

[kmonty]

Later in the vid, on Chris Kuper at LT:

"Chris can do it, I've got a lot of confidence in him."

[rovolution]

www.denverbroncos.com


Press conference is up


Cutler realizes that this is HIS ballclub and i see this as a sign of leadership.

[dbfan21]

Cutler does not sound enthusiastic about ANYTHING in that interview.

Pretty disheartening.

I think he does that on purpose. It's like Jay has taken a page out of Shanahan's book by being vanilla about everything. He basically said that they are working on some key areas, preparing to study 2007's film and getting ready for the draft.

If I was coming off of a 7-9 season as a leader of that team, I wouldn't be acting all goofy and giddy about things either. The whole team has a lot to prove, not just Brandon and Travis. He is probably taking a workman's attitude to the locker room and playing field...hopefully, the rest of the team catches on and develops a huge chip on their shoulder and comes out p*ssed!

[Hulamau]

sure, but I wouldn't share it with the media

I'm sure they have kept a lot more quiet from the media for a while and perhaps Marshall needs a little more pressure to get the message. I like that Cutler is putting his foot down and yet still supports his guy. Just telling him to grow the hell up. The whole Freaking team is counting on him and they are all working just as hard ( harder) than Marshall to get this ship turned around.

His antics are getting embarrassing and I know it sets back what Cutler wanted to get done with him the next four months to have the best possible new season. And for what ... because Marshall is still in his diapers.

[montrose]

Got to agree with a lot of the sentiments previously stated. Not a big fan of taking this stuff to the media but glad to see Jay is taking control of his team. As much as I love BMarsh, history tells us he's not likely to stay here forever (once Chad Johnson gets out of Cincy, I can't think of a recent cocky WR who stayed with the same team). With that, this is Jay's team and it looks like he's beginning to act like it.

[Beantown Bronco]

I'm with Militia on this.

I LOVE leadership, especially from the QB. But you can't say certain things to the media. Especially when you are dealing with a "star" WR who may take it the wrong way and make problems at the drop of a hat.

[DukeWoody]

This is a tough love reality slap to Marshall right between the ears that says time grow up or else...

[HEAV]

It's not as bad as the text makes it look. Jay-C is stiff, but that's what a leader should be, he's not going to sugar coat it and he's going to hold B-Marsh accountable.

Jay just stated that this is his team.

B-Marsh is on notice, get it together, or get out.

[MABroncoFan]

I thought this was an April Fool's joke at first.

[Cito Pelon]

Ah well, maybe Cutler knows Marshall well enough that he figures Marshall wouldn't mind Cutler calling him out in public.

[chaz]

I don't see a problem with Cutler talking about the situation...it has already become so public, and Cutler has already talked with Brandon in private so I doubt any of this is news to Brandon.

[oubronco]

apparently going to shanny's office and getting chewed out a few times isn't good enough the line " It's time to grow up and It's a wakeup call" isn't going to cut it anymore he better wise up or Shanny will bring down the THUNDER !!!

[TailgateNut]

Just another person who realizes Brandon needs to pull his head out of his ass.

[Northman]

Kind of funny, this could either backfire and blow up in Jay's face or help get Brandon in the right state of mind. A bit ironic though that Brandon said it wasnt a big deal but Jay disagrees evidently and even pointed to his DUI issue. Dont know if it was the right move to say it publically as we saw what happened when Favre a veteran made comments about Javon and watched him go out the door. Not that it mattered much as they did great without Javon but this could be the end of the line for Brandon if he takes this the wrong way.

[goldengopher1976]

Hard for me to believe that Jay didn't do this knowing full well the implications.

I can't help but think that those of you who are parroting the "shouldn't have done it in the media" line are doing it just because it sounds like the kind of thing that should be said.

[Bronco Jamus]

It's not as bad as the text makes it look. Jay-C is stiff, but that's what a leader should be, he's not going to sugar coat it and he's going to hold B-Marsh accountable.

Jay just stated that this is his team.

B-Marsh is on notice, get it together, or get out.

Definitely. One of the things that made Elway great was that you either performed and got on the same page, or you got out of his huddle. I also feel confident that anything that was said today was also said personally to Marshall. This is all a good thing.

[cutthemdown]

People who say don't bring things to the media don't understand that Broncos and Cutler say they have tried it behind doors many times and it hasn't helped.

I hate to say it but Cutler calling him out like that tells us Marshal isn't getting it. We will see if this is the last episode with Marshal but I have a bad feeling there is worst to come. Just wait until this guy's contract is up.

[rovolution]

Definitely. One of the things that made Elway great was that you either performed and got on the same page, or you got out of his huddle. I also feel confident that anything that was said today was also said personally to Marshall. This is all a good thing.

reminds me when #7 called out Anthony Miller in 1996 for b****ing about not getting enough catches

[silverwing]

I bet Cutler's favorite person right now is Earl Bennett

[Beantown Bronco]

I can't help but think that those of you who are parroting the "shouldn't have done it in the media" line are doing it just because it sounds like the kind of thing that should be said.

No "parroting" here. Actually I'm doing it to be consistent. I won't flip-flop like some folks here, who call out guys they don't like for airing dirty laundry to the media; but when players who they do like start airing the dirty laundry, they support them without question.

[rugbythug]

I had a Renter who straightened out every month and would be on time next month.

[BlaK-Argentina]

This is the kind of leadership this team needs. I love the fact that he called Marshall out in front of everybody. (doing it behind closed doors wasn't working)
This is Cutler's team and he knows it, he's taking control. Like everyone said, get your act together or get the hell out of the team.
I said it in another thread, I LOVE Marshall, but he has one more strike for me... if he screws up again, I want him out. We don't need this stuff, and I love the fact that Jay understands this.

We're lucky to have this guy.

[NFLBRONCO]

Should I start a trade BM (no not bronco militia) thread

Cutler should say stuff like this he is the leader if BM is gets mad or bent over his comments I think his sack also got injured.

[bpc]

Cutler does not sound enthusiastic about ANYTHING in that interview.

Pretty disheartening.

His career lies in the balance of this mess we are throwing around him on the field. I would be concerned too. Keary Colbert hasn't had a TD in what two years and we're designating him as the starter?

I really like the potential of Chris Kuper but him as a LT? I'm all for him at RT, I think he could be very good at that position but LT is a whole different deal. sigh. We just can't get the offensive line stuff right. Holland should be on the left side, Ham should be on the right. Kuper should be on the right side, CHRIS WILLIAMS SHOULD BE ON THE LEFT.

As for Marshall, the guy is a talented bastard. I hate having this excuse mongerer on the team, the only thing I like about him is his ability to make plays and giving Cutler a chance. Every offseason it has been and will continue to be like this. Solid on the field, stupid mistakes off of it. Good for Cutler taking his dumbass to task.

[Anaximines]

cutler sounds really good

[ro_50]

Just watched the press conference, he probably just got fed up and is upset w/ what happened recently.

He's the leader of the team and he's got to man up and act like it after making comments like he did today.

[Hogan11]

Well, Jay has weighed in and I'm both surprised and pleased by his stance on the issue.

As far as Marshall goes....he himself says it's time to grow up, 2008 is his chance. It'll be interesting to see if he follows through with his words and becomes a Man and a Professional or if his flamboyant nature will get the better of him.

In bold terms, it's time to see if he's a liar or not. The ball is in your court Brandon.

[BMF Bronco]

I just got a damn text about this from my broncos alert, unless they're involved in the joke, I am guessing it's not.

[silverwing]

His career lies in the balance of this mess we are throwing around him on the field. I would be concerned too. Keary Colbert hasn't had a TD in what two years and we're designating him as the starter?


Cutler said in his press conference that he was excited about having Colbert.

[rugbythug]

trade BM for 85

[DarkHorse]

I said it before, we're NOT going to be able to control Marshalls ego. It will balloon to epic heights because he DOES want the recognition, he IS a flava clown, and he DOES have the talent to make a name for himself which will lead to more of his ego showing thru.

He DOESN'T have self control, he ISN'T humble, and he'll NEVER be a ''quietly produce star'' like a Rod Smith/Marvin Harrison/Heinz Ward/etc...

The kid has a major pool of talent in his arsenal, he's going to be a big name if he stays healthy. He could dominate if he concentrated on football and slowed down his social life a couple notches. He really could be scary, will he last with us? Contract problems? Distraction in the locker room?

Interesting to see this one play out now, not happy that there's ''something'' to play out at all however. I wish we were only talking about him in the Pro Bowl type references.

[Rulon Velvet Jones]

It's tough love. Sucks to have to call our your friend via the media, but it had to be done.

Like when Sue called Mikey out in "Swingers". They're better friends for it, even if Marshall doesn't like it.

[maher_tyler]

Damnit, I thought they were tight. Like Mighty Putty. This saddens me greatly. Marshall is a beast.

He jokes a bit at the end, he's just fustrated with it cause it shows he really wanted to work with him through out the summer..not like its the Owens and McNabb situation...glad he stepped up and said something about it though, he is one of the team captins and prolly felt like he needed to say something!! I don't think it'll affect their friendship at all!!

[Gcver2ver3]

i love jay cutler...

this guy is now clearly the unquestioned leader and i'm glad he said what he said...

in the past i've been critical of players speaking against other players publicly but my stance has changed a bit...

jay is the leader and is frustrated by brandon's actions...why hide it?

jay is about winning and you're either with him or not...

lead a clean life...and focus on football (like john elway did)

jay is the friggin man...i firmly believe he'll turn this franchise around...

we really hit the jackpot with this guy...

[no-pseudo-fan]

I am happy that Jay came out and told the truth on how he feels. Jay and Brandon are close, they need to be. The need each other to be successful. Jay is the leader on the offense, point blank. Brandon is are best weapon. Jay wants to win, and Brandon wants to win. IMO, I think the Brandon is getting way too much grief on the issue. He is going to be ready and he is going to kick butt. If I was Jay and Mike, I would tell Brandon that we are tough on him because he has a rare opportunity to be GREAT.

[Punisher]

The only one thats gonna stop Marshall from being a star in this League is Marshall himself.

[Vegas_Bronco]

I hope Jay and BMarsh get in a fight - Jay would win 2 fists to 1...and we could start our slow road to recovery as a legitimate NFL team again.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

You guys think Jay would have called Brandon out if his injury was truly an accident? I don't... Jay knows what I suspect... Brandon's revised version of this rediculous TV/wrestling "accident" is complete bull****. Brandon was cut in a fight.

[dragondawg]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/broncos/2008-04-01-cutler-marshall_N.htm

[Hogan11]

You guys think Jay would have called Brandon out if his injury was truly an accident? I don't... Jay knows what I suspect... Brandon's revised version of this rediculous TV/wrestling "accident" is complete bull****. Brandon was cut in a fight.

In the eyes of some here it could've been worse....Marshall could've referred to himself in the third person, afterall, that's the ultimate sin ya know. Ha!

[Sassy]

Good for Jay...he doesn't have Brandon on the pedestal that some do here ;D
LOVE IT!

[Inkana7]

In the eyes of some here it could've been worse....Marshall could've referred to himself in the third person, afterall, that's the ultimate sin ya know. Ha!

Inkana7 takes offense to this post.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I'm with Militia on this.

I LOVE leadership, especially from the QB. But you can't say certain things to the media. Especially when you are dealing with a "star" WR who may take it the wrong way and make problems at the drop of a hat.If we have anyone on this team that fits this description they need to hit the road anyway.

[DukeWoody]

http://www.soaps.com/images/shows/generalhospital/General-Hospital.jpg

Will Brandon Marshall ever recover from knife slash wounds to play PRO football again??...Can Javon Walker settle an argument with himself about which Javon is the true #1 WR??...or weather his knee holds up for an entire season before he demands yet another trade??...Only Dr.Drama and his accomplices know the true answers to these questions and many more on The General Hospital...so be sure to stay tooned...

[kdissette]

i think he is tired of covering for this immature premadonna. I think this is a last resort kinda thing to get brandons head on straight. If he cant then lets ship him off to the 49ers or pats and let them deal with the headache. I hope he does really good this year so we can get at least a 3rd for him if he doesnt clean up.

[Kaylore]

You guys think Jay would have called Brandon out if his injury was truly an accident? I don't... Jay knows what I suspect... Brandon's revised version of this rediculous TV/wrestling "accident" is complete bull****. Brandon was cut in a fight.

8')

[Atlas]

I don't think I agree with the way Cutler handled this. In 16 years in Denver Elway NEVER called anyone out like this. The closest he ever came was in 1996 when Anthony Miller was complaining about getting the ball even though Denver was 9-1. Even then Elways remarks were very tempered.

I don't see any good coming out of Cutler's public statement.

[Atlas]

Denver better think about drafting a WR in the first round that's for sure, because this could really go south in a hurry.

[24champ]

It'd be one thing if Shanny said something like this, but I am kinda surprised Cutler would call out his teammate like this. I'm not sure it's all positive as people perceive it to be...

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Good for Cutler. I hope he speaks up to Shanahan and tells him this team can't be rebuilt in a year. Use the depth of offensive players in this draft to create an offensive machine and repair the defense next year. Broncs could easily win ten games if they scored two OL, two WRs (PR) and a RB in this draft even with the holes in the defense that won't be filled in this draft.

[watermock]

I'm with Militia on this.

I LOVE leadership, especially from the QB. But you can't say certain things to the media. Especially when you are dealing with a "star" WR who may take it the wrong way and make problems at the drop of a hat.

Screw Marsh! He's just going to pull a t.o, a Chad, an Irvin...get what we can before people figure out he'sly crippled like Walker. like a douchebag.

It's Cutlers team now.

[watermock]

I bet Cutler's favorite person right now is Earl Bennett

That's another thing, Jay has the cannon to rifle a ball in there...we've seen it for ourself..bring in another floppy ED...Jay can sueeze in there for another 12 years.

[DukeWoody]

Good for Cutler. I hope he speaks up to Shanahan and tells him this team can't be rebuilt in a year. Use the depth of offensive players in this draft to create an offensive machine and repair the defense next year. Broncs could easily win ten games if they scored two OL, two WRs (PR) and a RB in this draft even with the holes in the defense that won't be filled in this draft.

AT the very least we would get some great entertainment value watching them try and outscore their opponents in shoot outs every week...

[watermock]

trade BM for 85

Hell yeah! See how he likes Marvin Lewis!

[SouthStndJunkie]

I don't think I agree with the way Cutler handled this. In 16 years in Denver Elway NEVER called anyone out like this. The closest he ever came was in 1996 when Anthony Miller was complaining about getting the ball even though Denver was 9-1. Even then Elways remarks were very tempered.

I don't see any good coming out of Cutler's public statement.

Paging Dan Reeves.

Paging Dan Reeves.

[rugbythug]

After watching the video I was like
"this is what the hubub was all about"

Much ado about nothing

[TheReverend]

You guys think Jay would have called Brandon out if his injury was truly an accident? I don't... Jay knows what I suspect... Brandon's revised version of this rediculous TV/wrestling "accident" is complete bull****. Brandon was cut in a fight.

I hope so on a few different levels. If he was in a fight and got cut, well I don't know how much more of a wake up call you can get than being that close to getting killed.

Also, the team could really use some brawlers with some inner ****ing fire and mean streaks. Marshall shows it when he's got the ball in his hands. If we had one guy in our front seven last year with that mind-set, it wouldn't have been as sad as it was.

[Mediator12]

It's Marshall's overall pattern that's troubling.

Cutler consistently mentioned his friendship with Marshall. In fact, the pair spent about six weeks together in Atlanta working out earlier during the offseason. But talks about responsibility he and other teammates have had with the receiver essentially have "fallen on deaf ears," Cutler said.

The third-year quarterback admitted about Marshall, only half- joking, that "He's not my favorite person right now."

"This wasn't like his DUI and other stuff he's had. It was an accident. But, still, stuff like this can't happen," Cutler said. "Hopefully, this is the last."

Marshall last week said the collision with the TV, caused by horseplay with his brother, Fred, and subsequent surgery was "a wake-up call."

Cutler was having none of it.

"I mean, a DUI is a wake-up call. He's had many wake-up calls," Cutler said. "He's been in (coach Mike) Shanahan's office many times. I've been up there with him and he's said the same thing, 'It's a wake-up call, a lot of things are going to happen.' Blah, blah, blah. Until he goes out and proves it, we'll see what happens."

I said this exact very thing when all this came out. Marshall finds trouble when he should be doing everything humanly possible to Avoid it. His pattern of behavior is disturbing and he does not seem to realize what he does hurts the team, if he in fact even cares. The worst part of this is DEN knew all about him, drafted him, and then turns the other way as he keeps screwing them.

As for Cutler calling him out, he did the right thing going to him multiple times and with other teammates about growing up. Then, he went out and told the truth on how he feels about what Brandon did. What the hell is wrong with that? Marshall went out and lied to the press. Do you want Jay to go out there and lie right back to them? That is NOT what leaders do. They do the right thing and deal with the consequences. Keeping it in house was NOT working and several others confronted him as well.

If that means Brandon gets pissed, he better first deal with that in house like Jay and his teammates tried to do on multiple occasions to no avail.

[Hulamau]

People who say don't bring things to the media don't understand that Broncos and Cutler say they have tried it behind doors many times and it hasn't helped.

I hate to say it but Cutler calling him out like that tells us Marshal isn't getting it. We will see if this is the last episode with Marshal but I have a bad feeling there is worst to come. Just wait until this guy's contract is up.

If Shanny thinks either Kuper/Harris can hold their own at LT I could see us going for Sweed or Kelly at WR. Not only to add new weapons immediately but as insurance against a Marshall melt down or if he goes TO in his contract negotiations .. when is it next year? .. We would have significant leverage.

Hope it doesn't come to that as I would prefer a top all world OT now that can anchor a young line and protect Jay the rest of his career.

Plus, I really think Keary Colbert is going to shine with our attack and a QB like Jay getting him the ball. We could take Williams or Clady in the first and then grab someone like E. Bennett in the second. ( suspect we will go for another veteran DT next to Thomas and try to groom another DT in the meantime.

If we didn't have so many other huge needs now on both lines, I'd really prefer Mendenhall in the first as I just know that guy would be special in our system and take a lot of pressure off Jay .. ala Terrell with Elway. Ah well, dream on!

[crazyhorse]

Poor decision by Cutler.

Reguardless if he's right or not. He shouldn't be bitching to the media. He should handle it in house.

Poor leadership.

[missingnumber7]

I'm sure glad we got rid of Walker...now we have 0 #1 WR's on our rosters. I am going to restate what I said all last season. Marshall is not ready to be a #1. He and Cutler have worked together to become a great tandem. However part of being a #1 reciever is knowing when the majority of your work is to be done. Look at some of the greats that have become great because they put many hours of hard work and off season practice in during the spring so that the QB and WR know who's going to break where during a helter skelter time frame during the regular season. Cutler and BMarsh were going to have an opportunity to do that this off season without any hesitations. Am I wrong but this is a contract year for Marshall as well isn't it?

[Inkana7]

I'm sure glad we got rid of Walker...now we have 0 #1 WR's on our rosters. I am going to restate what I said all last season. Marshall is not ready to be a #1. He and Cutler have worked together to become a great tandem. However part of being a #1 reciever is knowing when the majority of your work is to be done. Look at some of the greats that have become great because they put many hours of hard work and off season practice in during the spring so that the QB and WR know who's going to break where during a helter skelter time frame during the regular season. Cutler and BMarsh were going to have an opportunity to do that this off season without any hesitations. Am I wrong but this is a contract year for Marshall as well isn't it?

Wrong on every account.

[Beantown Bronco]

Good for Cutler. I hope he speaks up to Shanahan and tells him this team can't be rebuilt in a year. Use the depth of offensive players in this draft to create an offensive machine and repair the defense next year. Broncs could easily win ten games if they scored two OL, two WRs (PR) and a RB in this draft even with the holes in the defense that won't be filled in this draft.

*cough* Cincinnati Bengals *cough*

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Better spending a year as the Bengals or Rams than the next ten years floundering around as an Oakland or Detroit.

[doonwise]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d807863ee&template=with-video&confirm=true

[Man-Goblin]

APRIL FOOLS! Cutler loves Marshall and has asked him to help him move his own TV, ya know, after the shredded arm heals up.

[cabronco]

I said this exact very thing when all this came out. Marshall finds trouble when he should be doing everything humanly possible to Avoid it. His pattern of behavior is disturbing and he does not seem to realize what he does hurts the team, if he in fact even cares. The worst part of this is DEN knew all about him, drafted him, and then turns the other way as he keeps screwing them.

As for Cutler calling him out, he did the right thing going to him multiple times and with other teammates about growing up. Then, he went out and told the truth on how he feels about what Brandon did. What the hell is wrong with that? Marshall went out and lied to the press. Do you want Jay to go out there and lie right back to them? That is NOT what leaders do. They do the right thing and deal with the consequences. Keeping it in house was NOT working and several others confronted him as well.

If that means Brandon gets pissed, he better first deal with that in house like Jay and his teammates tried to do on multiple occasions to no avail.


Sad but true. And a very solid post imho.

[Old Dude]

Cutler is growing up fast. I'm more pleased with this kid every day.

[2KBack]

You guys think Jay would have called Brandon out if his injury was truly an accident? I don't... Jay knows what I suspect... Brandon's revised version of this rediculous TV/wrestling "accident" is complete bull****. Brandon was cut in a fight.

You know what I find interesting about this? I don't know which story is the truth, but I do know if I tried to tell anyone I know that I was cut in a knife fight, no one would believe me and would think that it was something mundane like tripping through a window or tv.

Yet for some reason, since Marshall likes to hang out at clubs, all of a sudden the concept of a knife fight is so much more plausible?

[TailgateNut]

You know what I find interesting about this? I don't know which story is the truth, but I do know if I tried to tell anyone I know that I was cut in a knife fight, no one would believe me and would think that it was something mundane like tripping through a window or tv.

Yet for some reason, since Marshall likes to hang out at clubs, all of a sudden the concept of a knife fight is so much more plausible?


NO, the concept of a knife fight is more plausible considering his past behavior and the fact that he lied about the injury.

[jonny1]

He never lied about the injury, he just fudged on how it happened.

You don't think if he had been injured in a knife fight that there would be ALL sorts of stories around the internet about it?

You don't think the attending physician that worked on him can tell the difference between a knife cut and an accidental glass cutting?

Come on, people.

Call him an idiot, call him irresponsible, but don't create stories out of thin air.

[BroncoInferno]

The knife fight speculation is just absurd. It would be nearly impossible for him to cover up something like that.

[Meck77]

This team is coming off an embarrassing season and now we have players calling out other players? Good grief. I'm not even going to comment on Marshall's actions but I do not see the upside of Cutler calling him out in the media.

If this keeps up we can expect more of the same from the Denver Broncos. We aren't focused on a Superbowl. Not even close.

[2KBack]

NO, the concept of a knife fight is more plausible considering his past behavior and the fact that he lied about the injury.

What part of his past behavior would make knife fighting plausible? Was he a gang member, did he grow up on the streets of Bangkok? As far as I know, he has a DUI, and an non-violent argument with a girlfriend. The leap to knife fighting is a little ridiculous.

[Mediator12]

What part of his past behavior would make knife fighting plausible? Was he a gang member, did he grow up on the streets of Bangkok? As far as I know, he has a DUI, and an non-violent argument with a girlfriend. The leap to knife fighting is a little ridiculous.

Here is the other Public Disturbance in Marshall's record:

OFF-FIELD INCIDENT

Was suspended for the Ohio University game (11/06) in 2004 after he was arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest without violence at a local Denny's restaurant. Marshall got into a verbal argument at the same restaurant two weeks before his arrest. He was asked to leave when he returned the second time and refused. He was placed on probation and order to perform community service.

There were 2 other incidents that are not public at this time.

[2KBack]

Here is the other Public Disturbance in Marshall's record:

OFF-FIELD INCIDENT

Was suspended for the Ohio University game (11/06) in 2004 after he was arrested for trespassing and resisting arrest without violence at a local Denny's restaurant. Marshall got into a verbal argument at the same restaurant two weeks before his arrest. He was asked to leave when he returned the second time and refused. He was placed on probation and order to perform community service.

There were 2 other incidents that are not public at this time.

I'm not saying he hasn't been a putz, and it sucks to see a habit of questionable behavior. There is still nothing that tells me that he is living life as a shark in west side story. He is a stubborn loud mouth, that much is true, but Knife fighting is just hilarious melodrama.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

He never lied about the injury, he just fudged on how it happened.

You don't think if he had been injured in a knife fight that there would be ALL sorts of stories around the internet about it?

You don't think the attending physician that worked on him can tell the difference between a knife cut and an accidental glass cutting?

Come on, people.



Call him an idiot, call him irresponsible, but don't create stories out of thin air.

Seeing as I'm a surgeon who regularly takes care of trauma, I've seen and repaired just about every single type of penetrating injury that you can possibly imagine. I've also heard just about every lame attempt to cover up what actually happened. I can only speculate but based upon my experience I have never seen an arm through a TV or window that severed 5 tendons. I have seen a few knife wounds do this. Take a very unlikely mechanism of injury and factor that Brandon came out lying... this has the makings of a knife wound. Just my opinion.

[DivineLegion]

Brandon and a second for Tommy Harris....

[Sassy]

Seeing as I'm a surgeon who regularly takes care of trauma, I've seen and repaired just about every single type of penetrating injury that you can possibly imagine. I've also heard just about every lame attempt to cover up what actually happened. I can only speculate but based upon my experience I have never seen an arm through a TV or window that severed 5 tendons. I have seen a few knife wounds do this. Take a very unlikely mechanism of injury and factor that Brandon came out lying... this has the makings of a knife wound. Just my opinion.

Be careful Dr. B...those who are trashing Brandon...in the eye's of Brandon's worshippers...are never allowed to have an opinion. ;D

[BroncoInferno]

There is still nothing that tells me that he is living life as a shark in west side story.

Ha! I thought of the same image when the knife fighting theory was proposed.

[dreasher54]

its good that he is taking control of his offense

[Inkana7]

Brandon and a second for Tommy Harris....

Fool.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Seeing as I'm a surgeon who regularly takes care of trauma, I've seen and repaired just about every single type of penetrating injury that you can possibly imagine. I've also heard just about every lame attempt to cover up what actually happened. I can only speculate but based upon my experience I have never seen an arm through a TV or window that severed 5 tendons. I have seen a few knife wounds do this. Take a very unlikely mechanism of injury and factor that Brandon came out lying... this has the makings of a knife wound. Just my opinion.I'd say you're a lot closer to the truth than the BS story Marshall is spouting.

[crazyhorse]

Anyone who would translate humiliating a person in the media as a positive way of leading a football team, obviously has never led.

Cutler is just compounding the problem.

[Northman]

Cutler is just compounding the problem.


I wouldnt really disagree with you. But.. it depends what Jay has said behind the scenes. It all really is going to be based off how Brandon acts after hearing this. If Brandon acts shocked and betrayed than i think it could have serious ramifications. But, if Jay and Brandon have talked about it before hand and then Jay was just asked about it publically then nothing may come of it.

[orinjkrush]

Brandon Marshall
Physically gifted
emotionally challenged.

[crazyhorse]

I wouldnt really disagree with you. But.. it depends what Jay has said behind the scenes. It all really is going to be based off how Brandon acts after hearing this. If Brandon acts shocked and betrayed than i think it could have serious ramifications. But, if Jay and Brandon have talked about it before hand and then Jay was just asked about it publically then nothing may come of it.

I can't imagine a senario where they have talked about it and Brandon is cool with Jay taking it public.

Reguardless of the situation between the two, there is no senario where pissing and moaning about Marshall in public is beneficial.

It's a break even or lose proposition. Why do it?

[Northman]

I can't imagine a senario where they have talked about it and Brandon is cool with Jay taking it public.

Reguardless of the situation between the two, there is no senario where pissing and moaning about Marshall in public is beneficial.

It's a break even or lose proposition. Why do it?


honestly, i dont know. Im kind of surprised that he did go public but i guess we will see where it takes its course. Im not sure what the motivation is for Jay at this point with all this.

[crazyhorse]

honestly, i dont know. Im kind of surprised that he did go public but i guess we will see where it takes its course. Im not sure what the motivation is for Jay at this point with all this.

I would imagine Cutler is simply frustrated.

[Drek]

I can't imagine a senario where they have talked about it and Brandon is cool with Jay taking it public.

Reguardless of the situation between the two, there is no senario where pissing and moaning about Marshall in public is beneficial.

It's a break even or lose proposition. Why do it?

How is it a break even or lose situation?

Cutler is stepping forward and making it clear that he sees this as his ship, along with Champ (who has already spoke out to some degree about Marshall's problems).

By all indications Cutler, Bailey, and others on the team have all been in contact with Marshall about getting better control over his life. If after multiple attempts at such an intervention they still don't believe he's taken the message to heart this is a way for Cutler to step up and put the rest of the team on notice. Say for a guy like Marcus Thomas to pick up on.

We can't really judge or read too much into it because for all we know this is something that much of the team is already well aware of, have all come to similar conclusions in regards to, and Cutler was the guy chosen or willing to step forward as the mouthpiece for the rest of the team's concerns.

If nothing else this makes it clear that Cutler sees this as his team and that he's willing to take on a leadership role even if that means being the sacrificial front man in regards to taking the brunt of media scrutiny and questioning in regards to Marshall's distractions.

[Hogan11]

What's interesting to me is how many defenders of Marshall's immaturity have quieted after Jay weighed in with his opinions.....they now seem few and far between.

[Sassy]

What's interesting to me is how many defenders of Marshall's immaturity have quieted after Jay weighed in with his opinions.....they now seem few and far between.

:P

[footstepsfrom#27]

Freaking awesome. I love this kid and the way he's starting to morph into a true leader now. BS to the idea that he can't call out a teamate in the media. Maybe if this was the first or second incident but these guys know a lot more than we do about what their teamates are all about. As the QB he has to take control and let his teamates know whose team this really is. The downside to this is that it looks like we're might well see this hugely talented guy cut loose at a time when we can least afford it. This year's offense is gonne stink...no Walker, maybe no Marshall, Smith is gone now. Maybe it's time to see what Tony Scheffler looks like as a receiver now. I didn't think we'd look at WR in the 1st round but now I'm not so sure. It wouldn't surprise me to see Shanny ship the 12th pick for Roy Williams.

[TheReverend]

What's interesting to me is how many defenders of Marshall's immaturity have quieted after Jay weighed in with his opinions.....they now seem few and far between.

Na. I stopped bothering because it was obvious that you guys were all too obsessed with his private life and decisions to have any hope of convincing you all your attention should go into your own life decisions where it can make an impact and not in constant scrutiny of someone elses.

[24champ]

Na. I stopped bothering because it was obvious that you guys were all too obsessed with his private life and decisions to have any hope of convincing you all your attention should go into your own life decisions where it can make an impact and not in constant scrutiny of someone elses.

Yup.

[Hogan11]

Na. I stopped bothering because it was obvious that you guys were all too obsessed with his private life and decisions to have any hope of convincing you all your attention should go into your own life decisions where it can make an impact and not in constant scrutiny of someone elses.

Now there's a weak stretch if I ever read one....nice try.

[TheReverend]

Now there's a weak stretch if I ever read one....nice try.

Then explain to me why you care so much? What effect does it have on you?

You're a Bronco fan, yet you want to get on the offensive after a player who's given you plenty to cheer about on Sundays. You never met this guy... how does his personal life/decisions have any impact on you? Why do you care what really happened to his arm?

[Hogan11]

Then explain to me why you care so much? What effect does it have on you?

You're a Bronco fan, yet you want to get on the offensive after a player who's given you plenty to cheer about on Sundays. You never met this guy... how does his personal life/decisions have any impact on you? Why do you care what really happened to his arm?

As a major component on the team, we all are depending upon him to be the #1 WR....the severe arm injury jepardizes that. Stokley can't do it all, Walker is gone and the team has basically scrap left at the position beyond that. As a fan, I'd say that impacts the upcoming season and is something certainly to care about.

Never having met the players on the team you cheer for is irrelevent. They are public figures whose personal decisions impact those teams we're fans of....that makes them fair game whether you think so or not.

[TheReverend]

As a major component on the team, we all are depending upon him to be the #1 WR....the severe arm injury jepardizes that. Stokley can't do it all, Walker is gone and the team has basically scrap left at the position beyond that. As a fan, I'd say that impacts the upcoming season and is something certainly to care about.

Never having met the players on the team you cheer for is irrelevent. They are public figures whose personal decisions impact those teams we're fans of....that makes them fair game whether you think so or not.

So judging from your first paragraph, knowing that he's back for training camp should be all you need to know, right? How many games has he missed so far?

And you didn't answer my question on how the truth of what happened could have ANY effect on you, personally. He slipped on a McDonald's wrapper, he was fighting with his family, or he got cut by someone with a knife... what does this have to do with Hogan11?

As for your second paragraph, I think that's just a said reflection of today's society and it's addiction to "reality tv". I'm guessing from your reactions to all of this that you can't wait to watch American Idol/Dancing with the Stars/The Bachelor and gossip about it at work with the rest of the girls.

[Hogan11]

So judging from your first paragraph, knowing that he's back for training camp should be all you need to know, right?

Actually, yes. That's about all I'm interested in..that and if he's true to his word about growing up...which probably just kills you guys who identify so much with his immaturity

And you didn't answer my question on how the truth of what happened could have ANY effect on you, personally. He slipped on a McDonald's wrapper, he was fighting with his family, or he got cut by someone with a knife... what does this have to do with Hogan11?

Since I actually go to games and pay my money to see the team, yeah it does effect me.....but I really never joined in on the speculation as to the how or why anyway, nor do I really care. Here, you have me confused with other posters.

As for your second paragraph, I think that's just a said reflection of today's society and it's addiction to "reality tv". I'm guessing from your reactions to all of this that you can't wait to watch American Idol/Dancing with the Stars/The Bachelor and gossip about it at work with the rest of the girls.

Ha! Now that's funny. Well, I'm sorry for thinking that you're close personal friend, Mr. Marshall, has thus far been just another flamboyant over grown child who's quickly becoming more trouble for the team than his abilities are worth. I'm hopeful he's true to his word and corrects that.....if he doesn't and is shown the door, rest assured I won't be shedding any tears over it....unlike yourself.

[Hulamau]

Seeing as I'm a surgeon who regularly takes care of trauma, I've seen and repaired just about every single type of penetrating injury that you can possibly imagine. I've also heard just about every lame attempt to cover up what actually happened. I can only speculate but based upon my experience I have never seen an arm through a TV or window that severed 5 tendons. I have seen a few knife wounds do this. Take a very unlikely mechanism of injury and factor that Brandon came out lying... this has the makings of a knife wound. Just my opinion.

I'm with you on this Dr. B, have no idea if it was a knife or not, but the TV thing just doesn't fly.

How is going 'through' a flat panel TV ( what else would it be at a modern resort) going to do that? There is no glass tube with any depth to even penetrate in such a way that might cause such a deep laceration.

I think that is part of Cutler's frustrations with him as he knows its a BS story as well.

[TheReverend]

Actually, yes. That's about all I'm interested in..that and if he's true to his word about growing up...which probably just kills you guys who identify so much with his immaturity



I really never joined in on the speculation as to the how or why, nor do I really care. Here, you have me confused with other posters.



Ha! Now that's funny. Well, I'm sorry for thinking that you're close personal friend, Mr. Marshall, has thus far been just another flamboyant over grown child who's quickly becoming more trouble for the team than his abilities are worth. I'm hopeful he's true to his word and corrects that.....if he doesn't and is shown the door, rest assured I won't be shedding any tears over it....unlike yourself.

Yeah, I may very well have you accused with other posters. It more a generalization of the criticism Marshall's facing and how those people need to take a long look in the mirror to find what's missing from their own life and not expect every minutia of professional athletes personal lives to fill it.

And we're certainly not personal friends and I've never met Marshall. The point is, I don't care. I don't care what he does in his free time. I care when he lines up on Sundays, catches a short pass and makes the first four defenders look like children. That makes me happy, not the maturity level of a stranger.

[Blueflame]

Yeah, I may very well have you accused with other posters. It more a generalization of the criticism Marshall's facing and how those people need to take a long look in the mirror to find what's missing from their own life and not expect every minutia of professional athletes personal lives to fill it.

And we're certainly not personal friends and I've never met Marshall. The point is, I don't care. I don't care what he does in his free time. I care when he lines up on Sundays, catches a short pass and makes the first four defenders look like children. That makes me happy, not the maturity level of a stranger.

The primary reason to care what he does in his free time is this: when any player repeatedly makes ill-advised choices that draw media attention (whether it's being arrested for DUI or domestic violence or other offenses) then that behavior is eventually going to also draw the attention/ire of his coach and/or the NFL commissioner. It's frustrating to see a player who's as talented as Brandon making poor choices that may limit or end his chances of fulfilling the promise he's shown.

[Hogan11]

Yeah, I may very well have you accused with other posters. It more a generalization of the criticism Marshall's facing and how those people need to take a long look in the mirror to find what's missing from their own life and not expect every minutia of professional athletes personal lives to fill it.

And we're certainly not personal friends and I've never met Marshall. The point is, I don't care. I don't care what he does in his free time. I care when he lines up on Sundays, catches a short pass and makes the first four defenders look like children. That makes me happy, not the maturity level of a stranger.

For someone who says he doesn't care, you sure defend him and his increasingly indefensible situation to the very hilt.

[TheReverend]

The primary reason to care what he does in his free time is this: when any player repeatedly makes ill-advised choices that draw media attention (whether it's being arrested for DUI or domestic violence or other offenses) then that behavior is eventually going to also draw the attention/ire of his coach and/or the NFL commissioner. It's frustrating to see a player who's as talented as Brandon making poor choices that may limit or end his chances of fulfilling the promise he's shown.

The point is, we don't know whether or not he made a poor choice.

[TheReverend]

For someone who says he doesn't care, you sure defend him and his increasingly indefensible situation to the very hilt.

No... I left the situation alone until you made your comment and I wanted to chime in with the reason. Do you think I, or anyone else, really cares if the Orangemane jury convicts Marshall of being immature? STOP THE PRESSES!

[Hogan11]

No... I left the situation alone until you made your comment and I wanted to chime in with the reason. Do you think I, or anyone else, really cares if the Orangemane jury convicts Marshall of being immature? STOP THE PRESSES!

My comment of Cutler silencing the majority of his supporters on here remains basically true. Orangemane jury? No jury is necessary, Marshall convicts himself of that over and over and over again. How you can't see that defies comprehension.

[TheReverend]

My comment of Cutler silencing the majority of his supporters on here remains basically true. Orangemane jury? No jury is necessary, Marshall convicts himself of that over and over and over again. How you can't see that defies comprehension.

The day he costs the Broncos games instead of winning them for them is the day he goes sour in my mind... and it should be in everyone's.

If he chooses to self-destruct, it's his life and better now than later while he's on a rookie 4th round contract.

[NFLBRONCO]

The primary reason to care what he does in his free time is this: when any player repeatedly makes ill-advised choices that draw media attention (whether it's being arrested for DUI or domestic violence or other offenses) then that behavior is eventually going to also draw the attention/ire of his coach and/or the NFL commissioner. It's frustrating to see a player who's as talented as Brandon making poor choices that may limit or end his chances of fulfilling the promise he's shown.

REP excellent post. As a fan it concerns me because we have so few great players on this team. As we have seen with other players on other teams some guys never really get it and its one thing after another. Maybe BM will get it one day soon and this will be forgotten but, whether we worry about it or not today until he proves it year after year this stuff happening should never totally shock us from now on.

[Blueflame]

The point is, we don't know whether or not he made a poor choice.

We do know that he has made poor choices in the recent past. And however the injury occurred, we know that something about the true circumstances of the incident was sufficiently negative (or could be construed as negative) that he opted to lie about it.

Fact is, we really don't know for sure that he'll be back and healthy in time for training camp. In fact, given the severity of the damage to his forearm, we can't be 100% certain that he'll ever be the same player he was pre-injury.

[NFLBRONCO]

We do know that he has made poor choices in the recent past. And however the injury occurred, we know that something about the true circumstances of the incident was sufficiently negative (or could be construed as negative) that he opted to lie about it.

Fact is, we really don't know for sure that he'll be back and healthy in time for training camp. In fact, given the severity of the damage to his forearm, we can't be 100% certain that he'll ever be the same player he was pre-injury.

Can you imagine if BM missed first few games how ugly this season could get. Its too early to worry now but, your right BF you can't assume he will be ready week 1 either he might not be.

[Hogan11]

The day he costs the Broncos games instead of winning them for them is the day he goes sour in my mind... and it should be in everyone's...

It appears the critera on when he should go sour is different for different people.

If he chooses to self-destruct, it's his life and better now than later while he's on a rookie 4th round contract.
As for your second paragraph, I think that's just a said reflection of today's society and it's addiction to "reality tv". I'm guessing from your reactions to all of this that you can't wait to watch American Idol/Dancing with the Stars/The Bachelor and gossip about it at work with the rest of the girls.

[TheReverend]

.

It appears the critera on when he should go sour is different for different people.

I'm gonna get somethings done. I'll be back in a few hours to see if you've gotten around to making a point yet. Take your time and think it through.

[TheReverend]

We do know that he has made poor choices in the recent past. And however the injury occurred, we know that something about the true circumstances of the incident was sufficiently negative (or could be construed as negative) that he opted to lie about it.

Fact is, we really don't know for sure that he'll be back and healthy in time for training camp. In fact, given the severity of the damage to his forearm, we can't be 100% certain that he'll ever be the same player he was pre-injury.

So what is it you want?

It's certainly more than him on the field and playing at a high level, because that certainly wasn't enough for all of you last year. Pretend all you want your only concern is how it affects the team, but last year when he playing at an all-pro level for EVERY GAME (through injury), it still wasn't enough because many people here want to shroud themselves in drama to make their own pathetic existence more exciting and justify themselves and their unhappiness by looking down on someone for his personal life.

[Blueflame]

Can you imagine if BM missed first few games how ugly this season could get. Its too early to worry now but, your right BF you can't assume he will be ready week 1 either he might not be.

Marshall's injury might not be quite so worrisome if we still had Javon... but we don't. All of our "eggs" are in "one basket" and if there are any complications re: his healing process, the Broncos could be totally screwed.

[Blueflame]

So what is it you want?

It's certainly more than him on the field and playing at a high level, because that certainly wasn't enough for all of you last year. Pretend all you want your only concern is how it affects the team, but last year when he playing at an all-pro level for EVERY GAME (through injury), it still wasn't enough because many people here want to shroud themselves in drama to make their own pathetic existence more exciting and justify themselves and their unhappiness by looking down on someone for his personal life.

What do I want? Better personal choices... like perhaps for Brandon to choose to call a cab rather than driving home if he's been out drinking.Getting arrested isn't the worst thing that can happen to an impaired driver.

I don't think that you get it. I, for one, want Brandon to have a long and successful career in the NFL, preferably for the Broncos throughout it... and ideally, capped by induction into the HOF. Unfortunate personal choices, however, can derail a promising NFL career (ex: Pacman Jones).

My real-life existence is quite fulfilling and happy, btw... thanks for your concern.

[Hogan11]

I'm gonna get somethings done. I'll be back in a few hours to see if you've gotten around to making a point yet. Take your time and think it through.

Lame.

[TheReverend]

What do I want? Better personal choices... like perhaps for Brandon to choose to call a cab rather than driving home if he's been out drinking.Getting arrested isn't the worst thing that can happen to an impaired driver.

I don't think that you get it. I, for one, want Brandon to have a long and successful career in the NFL, preferably for the Broncos throughout it... and ideally, capped by induction into the HOF. Unfortunate personal choices, however, can derail a promising NFL career (ex: Pacman Jones).

My real-life existence is quite fulfilling and happy, btw... thanks for your concern.

If you think any of this is on a Pacman Jones/Chris Henry scale, you're out of your mind.

Okay, I'll understand the DUI, fair enough. Trial is pending and I don't know what he blew but its a poor decision. Why aren't you harassing DJ Williams?

The cut in his arm. Odds are it wasn't a McDonalds bag, but who can seriously judge that situation and say right/wrong? The guy was with family and comes from a bad place. Odds are he DID get into a fight with his brother who was probably lashing out of jealousy at Brandon's success and his willingness to share/not share it. Is he supposed to make any kind of dysfunctional family problem public?

If your real life existence is so fulfilled and happy, then why do you feel the need to judge and condemn a kid, in his low twenties, that plays on the football team you follow's personal life?

[Blueflame]

If you think any of this is on a Pacman Jones/Chris Henry scale, you're out of your mind.

Okay, I'll understand the DUI, fair enough. Trial is pending and I don't know what he blew but its a poor decision. Why aren't you harassing DJ Williams?

The cut in his arm. Odds are it wasn't a McDonalds bag, but who can seriously judge that situation and say right/wrong? The guy was with family and comes from a bad place. Odds are he DID get into a fight with his brother who was probably lashing out of jealousy at Brandon's success and his willingness to share/not share it. Is he supposed to make any kind of dysfunctional family problem public?

If your real life existence is so fulfilled and happy, then why do you feel the need to judge and condemn a kid, in his low twenties, that plays on the football team you follow's personal life?

I didn't say it was on the same scale as Pacman Jones. Yet. But if Brandon continues down the path he seems to be choosing, then problems are likely to follow. I'd like to see him change directions, that's all.

As to DJ, he also should have called a cab instead of driving. Happy?

I don't really care how the injury happened.... I care about the aftermath and how it heals. And it matters to me that Brandon lied about it because I wonder what was "wrong" with the truth.

Where did I "judge" or "condemn" Brandon? I said I'd like to see him make better choices in order to fully achieve the great deal of potential he has shown. I want the best for the kid. Where's the harm or foul in that?

[TheReverend]

I didn't say it was on the same scale as Pacman Jones. Yet. But if Brandon continues down the path he seems to be choosing, then problems are likely to follow. I'd like to see him change directions, that's all.

As to DJ, he also should have called a cab instead of driving. Happy?

I don't really care how the injury happened.... I care about the aftermath and how it heals. And it matters to me that Brandon lied about it because I wonder what was "wrong" with the truth.

Where did I "judge" or "condemn" Brandon? I said I'd like to see him make better choices in order to fully achieve the great deal of potential he has shown. I want the best for the kid. Where's the harm or foul in that?

And what path does he seem to be choosing? Do tell. Last I knew, before his family/McDonalds altercation, he was choosing a path of spending his off-season practicing/training with Sheff and Jay. What a bastard.

No, that doesn't make me happy either. They should both be left alone. They're kids. Generally speaking, if in your low twenties, and you haven't (at least once) partied to the point of where you were or should have been arrested, then you're lying or really boring.

And maybe what's "wrong" about the truth is that it's none of your ****ing business. Did you bother to consider that? Mike knows the truth, either way. If he didn't we'd have heard a lie detector article already.

[Blueflame]

And what path does he seem to be choosing? Do tell. Last I knew, before his family/McDonalds altercation, he was choosing a path of spending his off-season practicing/training with Sheff and Jay. What a bastard.

No, that doesn't make me happy either. They should both be left alone. They're kids. Generally speaking, if in your low twenties, and you haven't (at least once) partied to the point of where you were or should have been arrested, then you're lying or really boring.

And maybe what's "wrong" about the truth is that it's none of your ****ing business. Did you bother to consider that? Mike knows the truth, either way. If he didn't we'd have heard a lie detector article already.

The path he seems to be choosing is one that results in frequent news headlines prominently featuring his name. And court dates. And (if he's convicted on the DUI) participation in the league's substance abuse program, complete with random testing. And if he fails a test, suspension.

I really don't care what makes you happy. They may be kids, but both kids broke the law. And they're lucky that the only consequence of their bad judgement in choosing to drive while intoxicated was being arrested.

If Brandon finds himself in Mike's doghouse, it won't be for the first time.

[TheReverend]

The path he seems to be choosing is one that results in frequent news headlines prominently featuring his name. And court dates. And (if he's convicted on the DUI) participation in the league's substance abuse program, complete with random testing. And if he fails a test, suspension.

I really don't care what makes you happy. They may be kids, but both kids broke the law. And they're lucky that the only consequence of their bad judgement in choosing to drive while intoxicated was being arrested.

If Brandon finds himself in Mike's doghouse, it won't be for the first time.

Ahhhh yes. Those Denver off-season headlines. His "problems" are such breaking and serious news that they have to immediately prioritize it above the other... well, the other bits of absolutely nothing they have to report.

And how is this any of your concern? It has no bearing on any of our lives. He lines up and plays like a superfreak on Sundays. We cheer and brag about accomplishments that aren't our own. The end.

[Dedhed]

What's interesting to me is how many defenders of Marshall's immaturity have quieted after Jay weighed in with his opinions.....they now seem few and far between.Which is exactly why Jay's comments are a positive thing. There's likely a similar feeling amongst team mates; many of them young and impressionable who were defending (publicly or privately) Marshall's behavior and also assuming that it's not a big deal.

With Cutler coming forward and telling everyone how he feels, every player on the Broncos gets to see it and be a part of it. Cutler clearly spoke to Marshall at length about this and told him exactly how he feels about the situation, so none of this will be a surprise to Brandon. However the rest of the team gets to see the QB taking his #1 weapon to task.

This is Cutler saying that he's going to take this team to the top, and if you want to get on board and come along for the ride then do it. If you can't or won't, then you're only in the way regardless of how talented you are. This message was not in any way intended for Marshall, this was a message to team mates and even the rest of the league that Cutler intends to be in control.

Let's put Cutler in the news next to Leinart in the news this week. One showing the league and everyone else that he's taking control of a ship that hasn't had a true captain in years, and the other showing the league that he still wants to be a frat boy.

That speaks volumes.

[crazyhorse]

How is it a break even or lose situation?

Cutler is stepping forward and making it clear that he sees this as his ship, along with Champ (who has already spoke out to some degree about Marshall's problems).

By all indications Cutler, Bailey, and others on the team have all been in contact with Marshall about getting better control over his life. If after multiple attempts at such an intervention they still don't believe he's taken the message to heart this is a way for Cutler to step up and put the rest of the team on notice. Say for a guy like Marcus Thomas to pick up on.

We can't really judge or read too much into it because for all we know this is something that much of the team is already well aware of, have all come to similar conclusions in regards to, and Cutler was the guy chosen or willing to step forward as the mouthpiece for the rest of the team's concerns.

If nothing else this makes it clear that Cutler sees this as his team and that he's willing to take on a leadership role even if that means being the sacrificial front man in regards to taking the brunt of media scrutiny and questioning in regards to Marshall's distractions.

You're making excuses.

If it were your family....say your son, would you use humilaition to stimulate growth? What effect would it have on your other children who watched the way you handled it?

What if it was your wife.

Your best friend?

Your dad?

The best possible senario is no one pays you any mind= break even.

The worst, everyone shuts down, or resents you for humiliating them in public =lose.

Nothing about public humiliation is a positive way to lead a group of men or gain the confidence of those men.

[TheReverend]

You're making excuses.

If it were your family....say your son, would you use humilaition to stimulate growth? What effect would it have on your other children who watched the way you handled it?

What if it was your wife.

Your best friend?

Your dad?

The best possible senario is no one pays you any mind= break even.

The worst, everyone shuts down, or resents you for humiliating them in public =lose.

Nothing about public humiliation is a positive way to lead a group of men or gain the confidence of those men.

You should watch it and then use context to gain some semblance of understanding. Jay answered questions, and answered them honestly. He didn't "call anyone out" in my mind.

[crazyhorse]

You should watch it and then use context to gain some semblance of understanding. Jay answered questions, and answered them honestly. He didn't "call anyone out" in my mind.

I've watched it.

To gain understanding, I have experience in leading groups of people. I have been a business owner for the last 15 years. Before that I was a sales manager over 30 people. I have a full understanding of the effects of humiliation.

Even if I thought it would be beneficial to call him out in front of the rest of the team, I will never believe it would be beneficial to call him out in the media.

There is no question he was called out. I have been asked direct questions about other people, and how I answer those questions will have an influence on those relationships.

Humiliation is never the answer when dealing with groups of people.

In Cutlers defense. I dont think it makes him a bad person. I think it was just a poor decision based on lack of experience in that situation. I would expect he would handle himself better after gaining that experience.

[fontaine]

Na. I stopped bothering because it was obvious that you guys were all too obsessed with his private life and decisions to have any hope of convincing you all your attention should go into your own life decisions where it can make an impact and not in constant scrutiny of someone elses.

Pretty much sums it up. Cutler said he was disapointed in Marshall. He didn't say Marshall shouldn't jet ski in order to avoid troubling the poor fantasy football fans, or Marshall should STFU on lying to the media on how he got his injury or speculated in very poor taste on his connections to DWills death.

No, let's leave all that speculation and prying into someone's personal life for the fans.

:thumbsup:

[fontaine]

As a major component on the team, we all are depending upon him to be the #1 WR....the severe arm injury jepardizes that. Stokley can't do it all, Walker is gone and the team has basically scrap left at the position beyond that. As a fan, I'd say that impacts the upcoming season and is something certainly to care about.

Never having met the players on the team you cheer for is irrelevent. They are public figures whose personal decisions impact those teams we're fans of....that makes them fair game whether you think so or not.

No it doesn't. That's why there are laws against libel and slander. You don't like how he conducted himself or how he handled his personal life (I'm not talking about his brushes with the law) then fair enough. That's your opinion.

But let's be real here, people are accusing him of being in a knife fight, having something to do with DWills death etc and they can do that hiding behind a message board but it doesn't make it right.

[TheReverend]

I've watched it.

To gain understanding, I have experience in leading groups of people. I have been a business owner for the last 15 years. Before that I was a sales manager over 30 people. I have a full understanding of the effects of humiliation.

Even if I thought it would be beneficial to call him out in front of the rest of the team, I will never believe it would be beneficial to call him out in the media.

There is no question he was called out. I have been asked direct questions about other people, and how I answer those questions will have an influence on those relationships.

Humiliation is never the answer when dealing with groups of people.

In Cutlers defense. I dont think it makes him a bad person. I think it was just a poor decision based on lack of experience in that situation. I would expect he would handle himself better after gaining that experience.

I don't see any "humiliation" in his comments.

[fontaine]

I'm with you on this Dr. B, have no idea if it was a knife or not, but the TV thing just doesn't fly.

How is going 'through' a flat panel TV ( what else would it be at a modern resort) going to do that? There is no glass tube with any depth to even penetrate in such a way that might cause such a deep laceration.

I think that is part of Cutler's frustrations with him as he knows its a BS story as well.

Thanks for that piece of bs speculation. But I don't see how Marshall's injury should trouble you.

I mean after all don't you have the great Lelie in your fantasy football team making it rain TDs in San Fran?

[Drek]

You're making excuses.

If it were your family....say your son, would you use humilaition to stimulate growth? What effect would it have on your other children who watched the way you handled it?

What if it was your wife.

Your best friend?

Your dad?

The best possible senario is no one pays you any mind= break even.

The worst, everyone shuts down, or resents you for humiliating them in public =lose.

Nothing about public humiliation is a positive way to lead a group of men or gain the confidence of those men.

Who said it was humiliating to Marshall? Cutler makes it pretty clear that he's already had private conversations on this very matter with Marshall at least once, if not multiple times. I'm pretty sure it won't come as a shock to Marshall that Cutler, when asked questions on the topic, reiterated the same things.

The only humiliating part of all this for Marshall is that he's made himself look like an immature ass. Not a bad person like some here try and portrait him (with comparisons to Adam Jones), but also not the opposite extreme of a young guy we should be giving tons of slack to when he makes bonehead mistakes.

All Cutler's statement likely did was reaffirm to Marshall that Cutler wasn't just blowing smoke in their private conversations and that he really meant what he said. Had Cutler said one thing to Marshall in private, then glossed over the whole thing with lies and half truths to the media that would simply be sustaining the enabling environment that has stunted Marshall's personal maturation in the process.

Could Marshall go the other way and see it as a betrayal? Possibly, but if he's wired like that he's much more like T.O. than Chris Carter and this isn't just immaturity rearing its head, its the beginning of a "me first" attitude towards life which just doesn't play well in the entirely team first setting that is pro football.

[Hulamau]

What do I want? Better personal choices... like perhaps for Brandon to choose to call a cab rather than driving home if he's been out drinking.Getting arrested isn't the worst thing that can happen to an impaired driver.

I don't think that you get it. I, for one, want Brandon to have a long and successful career in the NFL, preferably for the Broncos throughout it... and ideally, capped by induction into the HOF. Unfortunate personal choices, however, can derail a promising NFL career (ex: Pacman Jones).

My real-life existence is quite fulfilling and happy, btw... thanks for your concern.

Touche Blue Flame!

This is, after all, a Broncos message board. It would be surreal if a story lke this DIDNT garner alot of interest and ink from all of us expressing how we feel about it, especially during a slow offseason!

And I don't recall anyone here calling for Marshall to be bound and gagged and shot at sunrise! :afro:

I haven't read every post here, but from what I've seen there is a healthy (and rather harmless) debate about his maturity or lack there of, and Jay's moxie and leadership in stepping forward and calling for him to get it together.

But all of it that I've seen has been expressed with the universal desire here of wanting BM to excel and do well, not only for his sake and that of the team, but for all its fans! No one is wishing him ill and no one says he is anything but a stud player who we all support on the field. It would just be ashame if his off field issues start to intrude any more than they have and missing the next four months of working with J. Bates and Cutler on the new passing scheme is NOT nothing at all!

Can they all get it together and get in sync enough with just training camp to have a successful season ( assuming his 100% good to go then)?? In all likelihood, yes. ...Would that task be a hell of a lot easier and more assured if he had been able to work with Jay from now to September?? No question about it!!

So I don't see the problem one way or the other. Some seem to think its all fine and dandy that he screws around and gets hurt as long as he doesn't miss a single game, but as good as he is, he's never going to be the player he could be if his head is in the game throughout the off season work as well. And that would be ashame for everyone.

Hopefully, as Cutler said this is the last thing we hear from him like this in a while, other then cheers for his TDs. We'll see how he reacts to this ... if he takes it constructively like I assume he will, then all this hoopla can be good for him and he takes it out on the field to prove a different impression of him in the public eye.

If not and he starts whinning or going negative ( I don't think he will) then its likely a different outcome for him and perhaps we need to use #12 on a WR after all .. time will tell.

[crazyhorse]

Who said it was humiliating to Marshall? Cutler makes it pretty clear that he's already had private conversations on this very matter with Marshall at least once, if not multiple times. I'm pretty sure it won't come as a shock to Marshall that Cutler, when asked questions on the topic, reiterated the same things.

The only humiliating part of all this for Marshall is that he's made himself look like an immature ass. Not a bad person like some here try and portrait him (with comparisons to Adam Jones), but also not the opposite extreme of a young guy we should be giving tons of slack to when he makes bonehead mistakes.

All Cutler's statement likely did was reaffirm to Marshall that Cutler wasn't just blowing smoke in their private conversations and that he really meant what he said. Had Cutler said one thing to Marshall in private, then glossed over the whole thing with lies and half truths to the media that would simply be sustaining the enabling environment that has stunted Marshall's personal maturation in the process.

Could Marshall go the other way and see it as a betrayal? Possibly, but if he's wired like that he's much more like T.O. than Chris Carter and this isn't just immaturity rearing its head, its the beginning of a "me first" attitude towards life which just doesn't play well in the entirely team first setting that is pro football.

Let's say your wife was talking, in public or at work about your short comings. Even though she has had discussions with you on the same topic. Would that be a sign of leadership? Or perhaps make you feel better about your relationship with her?

Or would you be more prone to shut down on the subject and not trust her judgement in reguards to your private converstaions. What if she refered to your response to those conversations as "I'll try to do better honey, blah blah blah"? Would that not be somewhat humiliating?

What if she was saying those things to the people who were looking for an opportunity dicredit you to everyone who would listen?

Take off the hero worship glasses for just one second and you will see what I'm taking about.

[Fusionfrontman]

wow crazy horse...kinda gotta agree... but this is a different thing. I see your point but at the same time, the relationship you have with your wife and the relationship you have with your WR is a bit different. At least, I'd hope so.

[oubronco]

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[Hulamau]

Thanks for that piece of bs speculation. But I don't see how Marshall's injury should trouble you.

I mean after all don't you have the great Lelie in your fantasy football team making it rain TDs in San Fran?

And what is your point? ... never mind there isn't any.

I could care less how Marshall got injured and wouldn't begin to speculate how it happened, but this 'TV story' was lame from day one.

But hey, if he wants to run with it, all power to him!

And I've supported Marshall from the moment we drafted him and he's a world better than Lelie ... yet another guy who wasted way too much talent off the field due to a screwed up sense of priorities and entitlement.

Lets hope we all don't wind up someday feeling as disappointed about Marshall as I did about Lelie ... too many otherwise talented WR's seem to think they are entitled to it all and don't take care of all the little things that make all the difference in the long run.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Ahhhh yes. Those Denver off-season headlines. His "problems" are such breaking and serious news that they have to immediately prioritize it above the other... well, the other bits of absolutely nothing they have to report.

And how is this any of your concern? It has no bearing on any of our lives. He lines up and plays like a superfreak on Sundays. We cheer and brag about accomplishments that aren't our own. The end.

It's all a culmination of events. During college he was arrested and charged with assault on an officer, refusal to obey, disorderly conduct and resisting an officer. He developed a rep as a bad boy coming out of college and dropped to the 4th round of the draft. He comes to Denver and is rumored to have sprayed champagne and got into an altercation with the guys at the nightclub where Darrent Williams later was shot and killed. That was at the end of the season. Before the next season even starts he gets arrested in a domestic dispute. Next, a DUI, a few months after that, the mysterious McDonalds bag. If you choose to believe he slipped on a McDonalds bag. (Why is there McD's bags just laying around on the floor? And seriously, he put his arm through a TV screen? Wow) He injures himself so bad he needs surgery to repair an artery, muscles, tendons, and such in his arm. I understand you think it's nobodies business but it's the life he chose. He wants to make the big $$$ and play in the NFL, his life is going to be visible to the public. It's sad if you ask me. We used to want Pro athletes to be role models for our kids... now we have to shelter our kids from a growing population of them. I hope he grows up and quickly because he won't be lining up in Denver and playing like a superfreak much longer if he is in some kind of trouble every couple of months.

BTW, I would just add that if he had this freak accident this off-season without any of the baggage it would be different. When you develop a reputation for finding trouble then people ask questions and the level of scrutiny goes up. He brought it on himself. If he wasn't a pro football player people would still be talking about him, albeit, not as many people.

[oubronco]

It's all a culmination of events. During college he was arrested and charged with assault on an officer, refusal to obey, disorderly conduct and resisting an officer. He developed a rep as a bad boy coming out of college and dropped to the 4th round of the draft. He comes to Denver and is rumored to have sprayed champagne and got into an altercation with the guys at the nightclub where Darrent Williams later was shot and killed. That was at the end of the season. Before the next season even starts he gets arrested in a domestic dispute. Next, a DUI, a few months after that, the mysterious McDonalds bag. If you choose to believe he slipped on a McDonalds bag. (Why is there McD's bags just laying around on the floor? And seriously, he put his arm through a TV screen? Wow) He injures himself so bad he needs surgery to repair an artery, muscles, tendons, and such in his arm. I understand you think it's nobodies business but it's the life he chose. He wants to make the big $$$ and play in the NFL, his life is going to be visible to the public. It's sad if you ask me. We used to want Pro athletes to be role models for our kids... now we have to shelter our kids from a growing population of them. I hope he grows up and quickly because he won't be lining up in Denver and playing like a superfreak much longer if he is in some kind of trouble every couple of months.

Dude makes alot of jack and still eats at Micky D's can't be true ROFL!

[TheReverend]

It's all a culmination of events. During college he was arrested and charged with assault on an officer, refusal to obey, disorderly conduct and resisting an officer. He developed a rep as a bad boy coming out of college and dropped to the 4th round of the draft. He comes to Denver and is rumored to have sprayed champagne and got into an altercation with the guys at the nightclub where Darrent Williams later was shot and killed. That was at the end of the season. Before the next season even starts he gets arrested in a domestic dispute. Next, a DUI, a few months after that, the mysterious McDonalds bag. If you choose to believe he slipped on a McDonalds bag. (Why is there McD's bags just laying around on the floor? And seriously, he put his arm through a TV screen? Wow) He injures himself so bad he needs surgery to repair an artery, muscles, tendons, and such in his arm. I understand you think it's nobodies business but it's the life he chose. He wants to make the big $$$ and play in the NFL, his life is going to be visible to the public. It's sad if you ask me. We used to want Pro athletes to be role models for our kids... now we have to shelter our kids from a growing population of them. I hope he grows up and quickly because he won't be lining up in Denver and playing like a superfreak much longer if he is in some kind of trouble every couple of months.

This post is a wonderful mix of information and misinformation.

The guy didn't FALL to the fourth round. He didn't even crack the starting lineup as a receiver until his senior year at UCF and then, had a good but not spectacular season. Marshall didn't even have a combine invite until he ripped it up in the bowl game. So, no, he didn't FALL from his legal trouble... and if he hadn't played the way he did in the Hawaii bowl, he would've been some gem of a UDFA.

And have you read the facts on that "domestic dispute"? There's a reason the charges were dropped.

And whether he got into a fight with his family or genuinely slipped on a McDonald's bag really is no ones business but his/Shanahan's/his family.

And if someone is failing so bad at parenting that their kids need to look outside the household for a rolemodel... well, they got bigger problems.

[TailgateNut]

.......because many people here want to shroud themselves in drama to make their own pathetic existence more exciting and justify themselves and their unhappiness by looking down on someone for his personal life.

LOL

[Jetmeck]

I've watched it.

To gain understanding, I have experience in leading groups of people. I have been a business owner for the last 15 years. Before that I was a sales manager over 30 people. I have a full understanding of the effects of humiliation.

Even if I thought it would be beneficial to call him out in front of the rest of the team, I will never believe it would be beneficial to call him out in the media.

There is no question he was called out. I have been asked direct questions about other people, and how I answer those questions will have an influence on those relationships.

Humiliation is never the answer when dealing with groups of people.

In Cutlers defense. I dont think it makes him a bad person. I think it was just a poor decision based on lack of experience in that situation. I would expect he would handle himself better after gaining that experience.


I'll bet you never spanked your kids even after they repeatedly did what they were told not to do. Some people just cannot be handled with kid gloves and need more than a kind word to understand their actions have repercussions.
If Marshall takes offense to Cutler stating the truth then he has the problem not CUTLER.

[jsco70]

We used to want Pro athletes to be role models for our kids... now we have to shelter our kids from a growing population of them.

Yes I'm quoting Brew Crew but this is not directed at anyone in particular. I'm not sure why anyone would want a pro athlete to be your kids role model. It makes zero sense to me why my kids should idolize a grown man for playing a kids game. I prefer being the role model.

I was born in 70 and the first athlete that made headlines for the wrong reason that I remember was "Hollywood" Henderson. But I'm sure there were others that I wasn't aware of. Today their actions are more sensationalized in the media.

As for sheltering, I suggest talking with them so they understand the behavior, attitudes and opinions of others.

[Kaylore]

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Nice Cutler. Drew is pretty lucky to be a cartoonist in Denver. Whether it's Elway's chompers, Plummer's Jesus beard, or Cutler's bowl cut he always has had some pretty cartoonish looking QB's to lampoon in his work.

[jonny1]

I don't get this "humiliation" talk, and people saying, "What if your wife was talking about your shortcomings in public . . ."

Cutler DID NOT TELL ANYONE ANYTHING THEY DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW! Everyone know Brandon had hurt himself, however you want to believe it happened. Everyone knows he is going to trial for a DUI. Everyone knows he has had a number of incidents.

People on here would be all over Cutler if he had come out and said, "Oh Brandon is just a big kid, no worries."

Brandon himself has said he has to change and these kinds of things need to stop. So was he humiliating himself?

Good grief.

[Popcorn Sutton]

The guy didn't FALL to the fourth round. He didn't even crack the starting lineup as a receiver until his senior year at UCF and then, had a good but not spectacular season. Marshall didn't even have a combine invite until he ripped it up in the bowl game. So, no, he didn't FALL from his legal trouble... and if he hadn't played the way he did in the Hawaii bowl, he would've been some gem of a UDFA.

Ok, so he didn't drop in the draft due to assaulting an officer... gotcha! :notworthy The only reason he was drafted in the 4th round was the Hawaii bowl. Thanks for that information. I like how you left out the fact that he came in to play safety the year before and lead the team in tackles. He had 74 receptions for almost 1200 yards and 11 touchdowns in his senior year. He was clearly a gifted athlete but YOU know better.


And whether he got into a fight with his family or genuinely slipped on a McDonald's bag really is no ones business but his/Shanahan's/his family.

Oh I see, so fans of the team we love are not aloud to have a discussion regarding his behaviors off the field that WILL eventually affect his status on the field. :kiddingme

And have you read the facts on that "domestic dispute"? There's a reason the charges were dropped.

You are missing the point. How does this kid keep finding himself in these situations? It all adds up and Shanahan sees it, Cutler sees it but you just think it's coincidence.

And if someone is failing so bad at parenting that their kids need to look outside the household for a rolemodel... well, they got bigger problems.

Umm, what? You telling me that kids don't look up to professional athletes? I spent the greater part of my youth idolizing Nolan Ryan because I loved baseball. Now our kids get to see athletes on TV everyday in the midst of scandals, legal troubles and so on. If you don't see how the world is changing then YOU have bigger problems.

[Dedhed]

Let's say your wife was talking, in public or at work about your short comings. Even though she has had discussions with you on the same topic. Would that be a sign of leadership? Or perhaps make you feel better about your relationship with her?

Or would you be more prone to shut down on the subject and not trust her judgement in reguards to your private converstaions. What if she refered to your response to those conversations as "I'll try to do better honey, blah blah blah"? Would that not be somewhat humiliating?

What if she was saying those things to the people who were looking for an opportunity dicredit you to everyone who would listen?

Take off the hero worship glasses for just one second and you will see what I'm taking about.Your analogy is completely off. Cutler is talking about things that everyone already knows. He didn't say one factual thing that wasn't already in the public forum. The only new information as far as the public is concerned was Cutler's feelings.

So, to use your own analogy more accurately, had Cutler just given some lame stock answer it would be like your wife lying and saying your alcoholic tirades are really not a big deal to her because they're a wakeup call that tell you that you need to change your ways.

Cutler was asked about it, and didn't pull any punches. He was candid and honest while being supportive; which are the qualities of a real leader. He didn't air dirty laundry at all.

[eddie mac]

What are the odds the majority of this board would be shouting cut the ****er if Glenn Martinez was the player in question and not Brandon Marshall???

[Beantown Bronco]

Your analogy is completely off. Cutler is talking about things that everyone already knows. He didn't say one factual thing that wasn't already in the public forum. The only new information as far as the public is concerned was Cutler's feelings.

So, to use your own analogy more accurately, had Cutler just given some lame stock answer it would be like your wife lying and saying your alcoholic tirades are really not a big deal to her because they're a wakeup call that tell you that you need to change your ways.

Cutler was asked about it, and didn't pull any punches. He was candid and honest while being supportive; which are the qualities of a real leader. He didn't air dirty laundry at all.

So let's go with a more accurate analogy. Do you think Elliot Spitzer's wife and Hillary Clinton would somehow become "stronger women, capable of leading other women" if they came out and spoke poorly of their husbands in public? After all, it's not anything we don't already know; yet they choose not to berate them in public. There's a reason for that.

[Bladerunner]

So let's go with a more accurate analogy. Do you think Elliot Spitzer's wife and Hillary Clinton would somehow become "stronger women, capable of leading other women" if they came out and spoke poorly of their husbands in public? After all, it's not anything we don't already know; yet they choose not to berate them in public. There's a reason for that.

Yeah...it's called personal pride...the day Cutler is wedded to Marshall (not that there is anything wrong with that), then your analogy will hold water

[sixtimeseight]

What are the odds the majority of this board would be shouting cut the ****er if Glenn Martinez was the player in question and not Brandon Marshall???

Well I want them to cut Martinez anyways, but that's just because he sucks.

[Beantown Bronco]

Yeah...it's called personal pride...the day Cutler is wedded to Marshall (not that there is anything wrong with that), then your analogy will hold water

Perhaps these analogies will pass your test:

Tom Brady and Carson Palmer

Both are the clear leaders of their teams. Neither have called out their problem-children teammates to the media like Cutler just did with Marshall.

[bowtown]

So let's go with a more accurate analogy. Do you think Elliot Spitzer's wife and Hillary Clinton would somehow become "stronger women, capable of leading other women" if they came out and spoke poorly of their husbands in public? After all, it's not anything we don't already know; yet they choose not to berate them in public. There's a reason for that.

This is not entirely true. First of all Spitzer's wife isn't trying to lead anyone. Secondly, when it did come time for Hilary to take a stonger role and lead people that's exactly what she did. She came out and addressed that situation very candidly on numerous occasions. She still often makes light of it in her speeches, AND she wrote a book about it.

I'm not saying the two situations are actually all that similar... I don't think they are and I think this is a bad annalogy. One is about family and personal demons and the other is about a teammate. But you better believe that when Hillary decided to run for office, she had to come out and talk about the situation, expalin how it hurt her, and then explain why she was sticking by her husband and why that makes them a stronger team.

[bowtown]

Perhaps these analogies will pass your test:

Tom Brady and Carson Palmer

Both are the clear leaders of their teams. Neither have called out their problem-children teammates to the media like Cutler just did with Marshall.


But Brett Favre has.

[400HZ]

But Brett Favre has.

How'd that work out?

[Mediator12]

How'd that work out?

They drafted 2 more WR's and went to the NFCC game last season without Walker ;D

[bowtown]

How'd that work out?

Well technically it worked out fine until Javon blew his knee out in the first game of the season. Javon even thought that it might be a nice idea for Javon to go back to Green Bay to play with Brett Favre inhis comments at the end of last season.

Point is, we just don't know what the motivation or relationship behind this is. Maybe Jay talked to Marshall before the press conference. Bottom line is he didn't say anything that was really selling Marshall out. He said. He's my friend, he needs to stop messing up, he knows that, we know that, now you all know that.

People on this board love to scream and shout after Shanahan's pressers that he doesn't tell us everything and that we have a right to know. Well now you know. Jay is frustrated with Brandon but still loves the guy.

[~Crash~]

To all the pussies that are still acting like Marshall did something wrong buy going on vaction with his family ... grow some balls !

[400HZ]

They drafted 2 more WR's and went to the NFCC game last season without Walker ;D

It worked out in the end, but it also lead directly to Walker leaving town. No offense, but it's tough to see Denver as more than a 4 or 5 win team without Brandon Marshall this upcoming season. Cutler lining up with Brandon Stokley on his right and Glenn Martinez on his left.. that's gotta make you cringe, doesn't it?

[Inkana7]

To all the pussies that are still acting like Marshall did something wrong buy going on vaction with his family ... grow some balls !

Right on.

[Beantown Bronco]

But Brett Favre has.

And EVERYONE here told Brett to shove it, when he did this. We all said he should leave the issue alone and not get into it, because it wasn't his place to get in the way of another guy asking for more money. EVERYONE here was against Favre on this one.

[~Crash~]

Let's say your wife was talking, in public or at work about your short comings. Even though she has had discussions with you on the same topic. Would that be a sign of leadership? Or perhaps make you feel better about your relationship with her?

Or would you be more prone to shut down on the subject and not trust her judgement in reguards to your private converstaions. What if she refered to your response to those conversations as "I'll try to do better honey, blah blah blah"? Would that not be somewhat humiliating?

What if she was saying those things to the people who were looking for an opportunity dicredit you to everyone who would listen?

Take off the hero worship glasses for just one second and you will see what I'm taking about.

Right on Cutler was wrong I don't mind him telling the press I had a talk with Marshall and left it with "that is between him and I ." :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[2KBack]

What are the odds the majority of this board would be shouting cut the ****er if Glenn Martinez was the player in question and not Brandon Marshall???

We probably wouldn't even hear about it, Martinez isn't a name anyone but the most hardcore fan knows.

[~Crash~]

I really belive this will cause a rift with Marshall and Cutler .

To bad .

[rovolution]

It worked out in the end, but it also lead directly to Walker leaving town. No offense, but it's tough to see Denver as more than a 4 or 5 win team without Brandon Marshall this upcoming season. Cutler lining up with Brandon Stokley on his right and Glenn Martinez on his left.. that's gotta make you cringe, doesn't it?

its tough to see SD as a winning team with Phillip Rivers as your starting QB

He will be the new Bledsoe in terms of being sacked w/ the bum knees.

Pass rushers league wide will be teeing off on Phillip.

[Blueflame]

Ahhhh yes. Those Denver off-season headlines. His "problems" are such breaking and serious news that they have to immediately prioritize it above the other... well, the other bits of absolutely nothing they have to report.

And how is this any of your concern? It has no bearing on any of our lives. He lines up and plays like a superfreak on Sundays. We cheer and brag about accomplishments that aren't our own. The end.

Last time I checked, I was allowed to form and express an opinion just like you are, even if that opinion differs significantly from yours. You're basically saying that anyone who disagrees with your opinion that whatever a young athlete chooses to do is OK because he's just young and having fun... is a busybody who has no life. You're judging others here while admonishing us not to judge Brandon. Hypocrisy at its most overt.

[Hogan11]

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/drew/archives/DREW0403.gif

Awesome....what a great cartoon.

[Punisher]

LMAO Marshall holding the Teddy Bear LOL

[Inkana7]

I really belive this will cause a rift with Marshall and Cutler .

To bad .

Learn to spell.

[Punisher]

Learn to spell.

You are probably one of the biggest haters in this Broad and a Spelling Nazi as well

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/339/haterqn1.png

[Inkana7]

You are probably one of the biggest haters in this Broad and a Spelling Nazi as well

http://img116.imageshack.us/img116/339/haterqn1.png

Sieg Heil.

[TheReverend]

Last time I checked, I was allowed to form and express an opinion just like you are, even if that opinion differs significantly from yours. You're basically saying that anyone who disagrees with your opinion that whatever a young athlete chooses to do is OK because he's just young and having fun... is a busybody who has no life. You're judging others here while admonishing us not to judge Brandon. Hypocrisy at its most overt.

This is very true.

I do feel that it's Brandon's life and deserves privacy over family matters and that he's free to decide the direction to take his own life in.

So I should feel that if you want to be overbearing, judgemental, and bitchy about the decisions of a kid with much less life experience, and in situations that you could never EVER possibly relate to. Be my guest.

PS. That's exactly what I was doing until Hogan related it to Jay.

[Dudeskey]

The fact we're having this discussion is stupid... First off, I think Cutler shouldn't have even said what he said. This is a business, if there's a problem w/ a coworker you don't air him out to the media. IMO, he made himself look like an asshole thumping his chest. Second, ripping Marshall for having a freak accident is just unfair and doesn't solve anything. Chalk it up to the simple fact that **** happens, can happen & on occasion will happen... (See Ben Rothlesberger, Kellen Winslow & PJ Alexander)

[Los Broncos]

Funny picture.

[Jetmeck]

It worked out in the end, but it also lead directly to Walker leaving town. No offense, but it's tough to see Denver as more than a 4 or 5 win team without Brandon Marshall this upcoming season. Cutler lining up with Brandon Stokley on his right and Glenn Martinez on his left.. that's gotta make you cringe, doesn't it?


Heck I don't know your team got along just fine with several crappy receivers.

[Dudeskey]

Heck I don't know your team got along just fine with several crappy receivers.

So did the Chiefs during the Vermiel era

[Blueflame]

This is very true.

I do feel that it's Brandon's life and deserves privacy over family matters and that he's free to decide the direction to take his own life in.

So I should feel that if you want to be overbearing, judgemental, and b****y about the decisions of a kid with much less life experience, and in situations that you could never EVER possibly relate to. Be my guest.

PS. That's exactly what I was doing until Hogan related it to Jay.

Well, except for the fact that you really know little to nothing about the private lives of private individuals who don't find their every unfortunate choice on Page One of the local newspaper's sports section. We do have some idea of what kind of youthful indiscretions Brandon's doing because he's a public figure and the media dutifully reports it every time he gets into any trouble. There is a direct link between the number of times his name is in the local news (with a negative slant) and how quickly he'll find himself in Shanahan's doghouse, no matter how talented he is or how vital he is to the team.

[Northman]

Well, except for the fact that you really know little to nothing about the private lives of private individuals who don't find their every unfortunate choice on Page One of the local newspaper's sports section. We do have some idea of what kind of youthful indiscretions Brandon's doing because he's a public figure and the media dutifully reports it every time he gets into any trouble. There is a direct link between the number of times his name is in the local news (with a negative slant) and how quickly he'll find himself in Shanahan's doghouse, no matter how talented he is or how vital he is to the team.


I really wish you would quit doing that Blue.

[Blueflame]

I really wish you would quit doing that Blue.

Doing what? ;D :angel:

[Northman]

Doing what? ;D :angel:


That damn picture of your cups. Its distracting me. :~ohyah!:

[TheReverend]

Well, except for the fact that you really know little to nothing about the private lives of private individuals who don't find their every unfortunate choice on Page One of the local newspaper's sports section. We do have some idea of what kind of youthful indiscretions Brandon's doing because he's a public figure and the media dutifully reports it every time he gets into any trouble. There is a direct link between the number of times his name is in the local news (with a negative slant) and how quickly he'll find himself in Shanahan's doghouse, no matter how talented he is or how vital he is to the team.

This is exactly why criticizing and judging his actions are better left to those informed of and responsible for his actions.

Shanahan's doghouse is infamous for a reason: He takes very little ****. Let him sort it out.

[Blueflame]

That damn picture of your cups. Its distracting me. :~ohyah!:

LOL Ha! ;D

[Blueflame]

This is exactly why criticizing and judging his actions are better left to those informed of and responsible for his actions.

Shanahan's doghouse is infamous for a reason: He takes very little ****. Let him sort it out.

OK, so does this mean that you think he's OK and doesn't deserve criticism? I mean, if he continues to have off-the-field problems, his days in Denver are numbered. As you said, Shanahan takes very little sh*t.... and I, for one, would hate to see a player as talented as Brandon cut loose and therefore, available to someone like the Cryptkeeper at a bargain-basement price. I'd rather see him wake up and smell the coffee and go on to a long and successful career with the Broncos.

[TheReverend]

OK, so does this mean that you think he's OK and doesn't deserve criticism? I mean, if he continues to have off-the-field problems, his days in Denver are numbered. As you said, Shanahan takes very little sh*t.... and I, for one, would hate to see a player as talented as Brandon cut loose and therefore, available to someone like the Cryptkeeper at a bargain-basement price. I'd rather see him wake up and smell the coffee and go on to a long and successful career with the Broncos.

Yes, absolutely.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

LEAVE BRANDON ALONE!!!http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/joeyblue/britney.jpg

[TheReverend]

LEAVE BRANDON ALONE!!!http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/joeyblue/britney.jpg

You're very, very funny. I suppose a lifetime in proctology will do that to you.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

You're very, very funny. I suppose a lifetime in proctology will do that to you.

Well at least when I examine someone's rectum I do it leagally and with consent.

[TheReverend]

Well at least when I examine someone's rectum I do it leagally and with consent.

The sniffing is a little excessive...

[eddie mac]

Perhaps these analogies will pass your test:

Tom Brady and Carson Palmer

Both are the clear leaders of their teams. Neither have called out their problem-children teammates to the media like Cutler just did with Marshall.

Who were the problem teammates that Brady had??? Dont even go near Randy Moss because he has been the model pro since he was traded to the Pats.

[fontaine]

LEAVE BRANDON ALONE!!!http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/joeyblue/britney.jpg

:spit: ROFL!

[Beantown Bronco]

Who were the problem teammates that Brady had??? Dont even go near Randy Moss because he has been the model pro since he was traded to the Pats.

Nope. Not Moss.

Kevin Faulk is the most recent.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Jay just seen his most trusted receiver screw up again and probably worried. Yea he got on him but it wasnt that bad. I dont think it will screw up anything on the field just may build up a little bitterness off. I think Jay knows that but doesnt care and was just driving in the point of committing yourself to the team and stop all the horseplay/trouble. It may not have been the best way but we dont know if Jay has already gotten on Marshall privately already.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Is there a more unsettling persona than that Britney Spears fan?

Has he committed suicide after a hard-core meth binge yet?

I hope someone finds a rudder for him.

[Blueflame]

Yes, absolutely.

So... we agree that:

Shanahan won't have infinite patience with Brandon's off-the-field choices.

Which means that:

If Brandon continues to do the things he's been doing in his private life (being arrested for alleged DUI and domestic violence), he will eventually be punching his own ticket out of Denver.

And:

Brandon is an unusually talented football player.

But:

You think it's OK for him to just continue on his merry way with no changes to his behavior even though it probably means he'll be lucky to finish his rookie contract still in Denver. And will most likely go to a division rival team (Oakland) for cheap. Possibly with a grudge against the Broncos....

I would prefer to keep Brandon.... with Javon gone, we need him...healthy this season. We do not have a viable replacement for him.

[Atlas]

http://blogs.rockymountainnews.com/denver/drew/archives/DREW0403.gif

[TailgateNut]

LEAVE BRANDON ALONE!!!http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y120/joeyblue/britney.jpg


LOL ain't that the truth!

[Inkana7]

Is there a more unsettling persona than that Britney Spears fan?

Has he committed suicide after a hard-core meth binge yet?

I hope someone finds a rudder for him.

That guy's an actor. He made it for attention.

[Bronx33]

That guy's an actor. He made it for attention.


And i got him on southpark! THE BIGTIME!

[Bronco_Beerslug]

You're very, very funny. I suppose a lifetime in proctology will do that to you.There you go, being judgmental and then chastising people for being..................judgmental.
Is this was about Mike Anderson you'd be slobbering all over how he f**ked up.