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Beantown Bronco
03-28-2008, 09:36 AM
I know this isn't the first time something like this has happened, but it gets me every time.


WESTON, Wis.—Police are investigating an 11-year-old girl's death from an undiagnosed, treatable form of diabetes after her parents chose to pray for her rather than take her to a doctor.

more stories like thisAn autopsy showed Madeline Neumann died Sunday of diabetic ketoacidosis, a condition that left too little insulin in her body, Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said.

She had probably been ill for about a month, suffering symptoms such as nausea, vomiting, excessive thirst, loss of appetite and weakness, the chief said Wednesday, noting that he expects to complete the investigation by Friday and forward the results to the district attorney.

The girl's mother, Leilani Neumann, said that she and her family believe in the Bible and that healing comes from God, but that they do not belong to an organized religion or faith, are not fanatics and have nothing against doctors.

She insisted her youngest child, a wiry girl known to wear her straight brown hair in a ponytail, was in good health until recently.

"We just noticed a tiredness within the past two weeks," she said Wednesday. "And then just the day before and that day (she died), it suddenly just went to a more serious situation. We stayed fast in prayer then. We believed that she would recover. We saw signs that to us, it looked like she was recovering."

Her daughter -- who hadn't seen a doctor since she got some shots as a 3-year-old, according to Vergin -- had no fever and there was warmth in her body, she said.

The girl's father, Dale Neumann, a former police officer, said he started CPR "as soon as the breath of life left" his daughter's body.

Family members elsewhere called authorities to seek help for the girl.

"My sister-in-law, she's very religious, she believes in faith instead of doctors ...," the girl's aunt told a sheriff's dispatcher Sunday afternoon in a call from California. "And she called my mother-in-law today ... and she explained to us that she believes her daughter's in a coma now and she's relying on faith."

The dispatcher got more information from the caller and asked whether an ambulance should be sent.

"Please," the woman replied. "I mean, she's refusing. She's going to fight it. ... We've been trying to get her to take her to the hospital for a week, a few days now."

The aunt called back with more information on the family's location, emergency logs show. Family friends also made a 911 call from the home. Police and paramedics arrived within minutes and immediately called for an ambulance that took her to a hospital.

But less than an hour after authorities reached the home, Madeline -- a bright student who left public school for home schooling this semester -- was declared dead.

She is survived by her parents and three older siblings.

"We are remaining strong for our children," Leilani Neumann said. "Only our faith in God is giving us strength at this time."

The Neumanns said they moved from California to a modern, middle-class home in woodsy Weston, just outside Wassau in central Wisconsin, about two years ago to open a coffee shop and be closer to other relatives. A basketball hoop is set up in the driveway.

Leilani Neumann said she and her husband are not worried about the investigation because "our lives are in God's hands. We know we did not do anything criminal. We know we did the best for our daughter we knew how to do."

Denver Crush
03-28-2008, 11:28 AM
I guess god wasn't listening.

TailgateNut
03-28-2008, 11:35 AM
I guess god wasn't listening.

He was busy helping someone win the lottery.Hilarious!

Spider
03-28-2008, 01:28 PM
Damn shame .. if it was one of my kids , their asses would have been in to see the doctor ........ even if I have to go without eating

Rohirrim
03-28-2008, 02:09 PM
If God scattered remedies for so many diseases within plant life all over this planet (from which the overwhelming majority of medicines are derived) don't you think that is a signal that he wants you to use the brain he also provided you, so that you could learn about these medicines and find some comfort from your diseases? Ya think?

Of course, the first requisite to indulging in religion is to turn off your brain. ;D

Smiling Assassin27
03-28-2008, 03:36 PM
this makes me sick.

Refusing to use doctors because you believe that God will miraculously cure you is a little like refusing to buy clothes in the store because you believe God will miraculously cover your nakedness, or refusing to go to the grocery store because you belive that God will miraculously cook and serve you dinner.
Christians believe that we are supposed to love God with not just our hearts, but our minds and our strength as well. Sitting around and waiting for God to wipe our noses for us when we sniffle is refusing to use our minds and our strength.

"Hold the physician in honor, for he is essential to you, and God it was who established his profession." Sirach 38:1-2

Smiling Assassin27
03-28-2008, 03:40 PM
Of course, the first requisite to indulging in religion is to turn off your brain.

Yeah, Kepler, Aquinas, Copernicus, Boyle, Mendel, Kelvin, Pasteur, Fleming and Sir Isaac Newton were a bunch of no brain-using morons....

orangenblue2
03-28-2008, 06:36 PM
He was busy helping someone win the lottery.Hilarious!

...or helping out the winners in the annual "March Madness" madness.