View Full Version : Kiper answers ? on Denver Draft
NYC Bronco
03-26-2008, 01:34 PM
Nothing we didn't know......
Mical (Austin): Denver is sitting quietly with 9 picks in the draft. What do you see them doing with all of these choices?
SportsNation Mel Kiper: (1:35 PM ET ) They have as many needs as any team in the NFL right now. They are loaded with issues. Denver has a lot of problems right now. They have a big need at LT. You need another WR. Marshall right now is injured. He has a hand injury. Stokley is a slot guy. You need a WR, whether Marshall is injured or not right now. You need DT help. You need another LB. And you need a safety. Denver has had a lot of success drafting RBs down in the draft. Selvin Young saved them last year in that Buffalo game.
Gcver2ver3
03-26-2008, 01:35 PM
SportsNation Mel Kiper: (1:35 PM ET ) They have as many needs as any team in the NFL right now. They are loaded with issues. Denver has a lot of problems right now. They have a big need at LT. You need another WR. Marshall right now is injured. He has a hand injury. Stokley is a slot guy. You need a WR, whether Marshall is injured or not right now. You need DT help. You need another LB. And you need a safety. Denver has had a lot of success drafting RBs down in the draft. Selvin Young saved them last year in that Buffalo game.
how insightful...
Hotrod
03-26-2008, 01:43 PM
how insightful...
The real kicker is he said the same nothing over and over in the same paragraph.
nickademus
03-26-2008, 01:46 PM
kiper has let his hair take over I am convinced that the do does all the thinking and talking and the man is only there for the ride.
Paladin
03-26-2008, 01:56 PM
If you want insight, you have to pay for it.....
broncocalijohn
03-26-2008, 02:05 PM
If you want insight, you have to pay for it.....
We are paying for it. Last year it was 7 and 9 and out of the playoffs for the 2nd year. For 2008, we pay for it literally. $7 increase in tickets for South Stands.
SonOfLe-loLang
03-26-2008, 02:16 PM
Kiper speaks like a Zagats guide. In soundbytes and its like he immediately forgets what he previously said.
Rohirrim
03-26-2008, 02:54 PM
I don't like reading this stuff because I really don't want to think about it. Too many holes. Not enough money. Not enough draft picks. :stuck:
DomCasual
03-26-2008, 03:45 PM
He says "right now" a lot.
DenverBrit
03-26-2008, 04:44 PM
Nothing we didn't know......
Mical (Austin): Denver is sitting quietly with 9 picks in the draft. What do you see them doing with all of these choices?
SportsNation Mel Kiper: (1:35 PM ET ) They have as many needs as any team in the NFL right now. They are loaded with issues. Denver has a lot of problems right now. They have a big need at LT. You need another WR. Marshall right now is injured. He has a hand injury. Stokley is a slot guy. You need a WR, whether Marshall is injured or not right now. You need DT help. You need another LB. And you need a safety. Denver has had a lot of success drafting RBs down in the draft. Selvin Young saved them last year in that Buffalo game.
Ok, Mel, if you say so. Hilarious!
Atlas
03-26-2008, 04:48 PM
Kiper is one of the greatest draftniks around. I could listen to him all night. He is very knowledgable.
How insightful do you think he can be in a 15 second sound bite?
DenverBrit
03-26-2008, 05:05 PM
Kiper is one of the greatest draftniks around. I could listen to him all night. He is very knowledgable.
How insightful do you think he can be in a 15 second sound bite?
He is that, but I don't like him, he has too much hair, dammit! ROFL!
broncofan
03-26-2008, 05:07 PM
Selvin Young saved them last year in that Buffalo game.
Oh yeah...his two carries for 7 yards were huge in that game.
This looks to be in chat format...not a soundbite. Am I right?
SonOfLe-loLang
03-26-2008, 05:29 PM
Oh yeah...his two carries for 7 yards were huge in that game.
This looks to be in chat format...not a soundbite. Am I right?
yeah, its a written chat format, but its funny because he writes like he speaks. He's obviously knowledgable, he just needs to lay off the crack
Paladin
03-26-2008, 05:34 PM
Kiper is one of the greatest draftniks around. I could listen to him all night. He is very knowledgable.
How insightful do you think he can be in a 15 second sound bite?
Over the years, I had thought that he was someone "to listen to" when it came to drafting and the college players, etc. What seems to be the case is that he does well with the obvious choices, but he begins to falter when the draft doesn't go exactly as he planned it.
In theory, he knows his stuff. But in practice, I think he misses the same as any other "observer". However, he does know the names of the college players and that is more than I know. In the final analysis, I listen to him with a grain of salt tucked firmly between cheek and gum.....
Punisher
03-26-2008, 05:47 PM
I really can't wait for the Draft I want to see what new players might Impact this team hopefully will trade up for a Top Ten pick and take a LT (Jake Long :))
TheReverend
03-26-2008, 07:04 PM
Kiper is one of the greatest draftniks around. I could listen to him all night. He is very knowledgable.
How insightful do you think he can be in a 15 second sound bite?
He's good for a laugh, that's for sure.
I don't think I'll ever forget his undying Mike Williams hype, Reggie Bush worship/Houston ridicule, and his Ted Ginn/Brady Quinn freak out.
orinjkrush
03-26-2008, 07:05 PM
at least he wasn't wrong.
Cmac821
03-26-2008, 07:35 PM
I don't like reading this stuff because I really don't want to think about it. Too many holes. Not enough money. Not enough draft picks. :stuck:
:deadhorse thats what that is.
Who in the hell is Mel Kiper, anyway? I mean, here's a guy who criticizes everybody, whoever they take. He's got the answers to who you should take, to who you shouldn't take. He tells us about your team. He tells us about the Rams. He tells us about Tampa and everything else. In my knowledge of him, he's never even put on a jockstrap, he's never been a player, he's never been a coach, he's never been a scout, he's never been an administrator, and all of a sudden, he's an expert. He's in our paper two days ago, telling us who we have to take. We don't have to take anybody that Mel Kiper says we have to take. Mel Kiper has no more credentials to do what he's doing than my neighbor, and my neighbor's a postman and he doesn't even have season tickets to the NFL."
ohiobronco2
03-26-2008, 07:50 PM
This really isn't ground breaking info, but I do respect Kiper.
BroncoBuff
03-26-2008, 08:23 PM
Kiper is one of the greatest draftniks around. I could listen to him all night. He is very knowledgable.
He is knowledgable, but I think very unrealistic about our #12 pick. He has us taking Clady, when from everything I've read, he prolly won't drop past the Falcons at 3 (if Long is gone), the Chefs at 5, or at the latest the Ravens at 8. He hasn't announced it yet, but Ogden is retiring.
orange crusher
03-26-2008, 08:35 PM
Selvin Young saved them last year in that Buffalo game.
Oh yeah...his two carries for 7 yards were huge in that game.
:spit:
He must have been talking about the game winning field goal he kicked against Buffalo...oh wait, that was the guy that just signed with Atlanta. Maybe Selvin was the one that convinced Shanahan that they still had time to get the field goal unit out there.
KipCorrington25
03-26-2008, 08:55 PM
Denver is a team with a lot of needs right now. If you ask me they have needs and they will be drafting to fill those needs that they have a lot of. They could use another RB, TE, G, T, C, QB, GM, PR Guy, Punter, DT, DE, MLB, OLB, CB, and depth at Safety is a need. Also Paul Ernster totally bailed them out last season.
Arkansas Bronco
03-26-2008, 09:15 PM
Lets just wrap this up here. He is awesome for people who dont know football. What I mean is the casual fan who dont get it like us and live for it. When you get into the guys that understand he is kinda worthless to read.
BroncoMan4ever
03-26-2008, 10:09 PM
I don't like reading this stuff because I really don't want to think about it. Too many holes. Not enough money. Not enough draft picks. :stuck:
I don't think we are that bad off except in special teams right now. If Colbert can work on his hands and be a 60 catch a year number 2 and Marshall and Stokely are at full strength plus complimented by a strong running game and a bad ass TE and that offense looks pretty good if they can get a solid LT or is Harris is the real deal.
On D supposedly Niko was starting calibur if not for him being behind a pro bowler in seattle. Boss is at least a decent upgrade from Gold and DJ is back to his comfort zone on the weak side. Get some depth and that unit is fine. Our Safety issues are solved for the year at least, and Corner is definitely not a problem if Moss and Crowder can live up to their potential and help out Doom pass rush is there, especially if Thomas can continue to improve and if he gets help.
Truthfully we need tackles on both sides of the ball depth at receiver and LB. We are not really in that bad of a situation from how i see it.
thumpc
03-26-2008, 11:32 PM
Who in the hell is Mel Kiper, anyway? I mean, here's a guy who criticizes everybody, whoever they take. He's got the answers to who you should take, to who you shouldn't take. He tells us about your team. He tells us about the Rams. He tells us about Tampa and everything else. In my knowledge of him, he's never even put on a jockstrap, he's never been a player, he's never been a coach, he's never been a scout, he's never been an administrator, and all of a sudden, he's an expert. He's in our paper two days ago, telling us who we have to take. We don't have to take anybody that Mel Kiper says we have to take. Mel Kiper has no more credentials to do what he's doing than my neighbor, and my neighbor's a postman and he doesn't even have season tickets to the NFL."
Who was that, the Jets GM?
BroncoBuff
03-27-2008, 12:51 AM
Selvin Young saved them last year in that Buffalo game.
:spit:
He must have been talking about the game winning field goal he kicked against Buffalo...oh wait, that was the guy that just signed with Atlanta. Maybe Selvin was the one that convinced Shanahan that they still had time to get the field goal unit out there.
He batted that ball out of bounds ... saved a turnover late in the game. But that wasn't the game-winner.
orange crusher
03-27-2008, 03:07 AM
He batted that ball out of bounds ... saved a turnover late in the game. But that wasn't the game-winner.
Forgot about that play. Maybe that's what he was referring to. I don't think I'd say he saved them in that game, maybe he saved himself.
Atlas
03-27-2008, 03:33 AM
He is knowledgable, but I think very unrealistic about our #12 pick. He has us taking Clady, when from everything I've read, he prolly won't drop past the Falcons at 3 (if Long is gone), the Chefs at 5, or at the latest the Ravens at 8. He hasn't announced it yet, but Ogden is retiring.
There are a lot of people out there that think Denver will select Clady.
These sites also have Denver taking Clady
12. Denver Broncos - OT Ryan Clady, Boise State
http://www.draftdaddy.com/MD/MDstat.cfm
12. Denver Broncos – Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St.
http://thefootballexpert.com/abromowitzmockdraft.html
PICK #12 The Broncos Pick: Ryan Clady (OT, Boise State)
http://condraft.com/mocks/round-1.html
12. Denver Broncos — Ryan Clady, Boise State (OT)
http://saturdays2sundays.com/?page_id=3
DEN Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/2....cfm?writer=31
12: Denver Broncos - Ryan Clady, OT, Boise State
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Draf...adquarters.htm
Broncos - Ryan Clady, OT Boise St.
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/Mock_Draf...adquarters.htm
HorseHead
03-27-2008, 11:44 AM
so if "they" have us taking Clady, then that means we aren't taking him...
again, speculate all you want, when it comes time, we'll be thrown for a loop, just watch....
Beantown Bronco
03-27-2008, 12:12 PM
so if "they" have us taking Clady, then that means we aren't taking him...
again, speculate all you want, when it comes time, we'll be thrown for a loop, just watch....
Normally I'd agree, but 90% of the pundits nailed the Jarvis Moss pick last year.
Who was that, the Jets GM?
That was Colts GM Bill Polian. Never gets old.
SonOfLe-loLang
03-27-2008, 12:47 PM
Normally I'd agree, but 90% of the pundits nailed the Jarvis Moss pick last year.
We even traded a 3rd round pick to prove em right!
ohiobronco2
03-27-2008, 12:52 PM
We even traded a 3rd round pick to prove em right!
Well this year we can't be tempted. ROFL!
DBBBSBS
03-27-2008, 01:14 PM
i thought we needed qb, de, te and a new coach before reading this... wow, mel is so good
Kaylore
03-27-2008, 01:21 PM
MIKE Mayock is ten times the analyst Kiper will ever be. He's already eclipsed him to where he makes Kiper look amateurish.
Beantown Bronco
03-27-2008, 02:01 PM
Matt Mayock is ten times the analyst Kiper will ever be.
I didn't know Mike had a brother!?! ;)
BroncoBuff
03-28-2008, 05:40 PM
He is knowledgable, but I think very unrealistic about our #12 pick. He has us taking Clady, when from everything I've read, he prolly won't drop past the Falcons at 3 (if Long is gone), the Chefs at 5, or at the latest the Ravens at 8. He hasn't announced it yet, but Ogden is retiring.
Add Cincinnati at #9 to this list:
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2494/66552475mo8.jpg
With all due respect to your list Atlas, which is mostly message boards like this one, I think we'd take Kentwan Balmer before Clady, even if Clady is there at 12 (which he won't be ;D)
NFLBRONCO
03-28-2008, 05:47 PM
Add Cincinnati at #9 to this list:
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2494/66552475mo8.jpg
With all due respect to your list Atlas, which is mostly message boards like this one, I think we'd take Kentwan Balmer before Clady, even if Clady is there at 12 (which he won't be ;D)
What about the possibility of Houston trading up to 10 or 11 to snag a T fearing Denver might take one.
Atlas
03-30-2008, 09:42 AM
Add Cincinnati at #9 to this list:
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/2494/66552475mo8.jpg
With all due respect to your list Atlas, which is mostly message boards like this one, I think we'd take Kentwan Balmer before Clady, even if Clady is there at 12 (which he won't be ;D)
Yahoo's latest Mock has Denver takling Clady too.
12. Denver (7-9)
The Pick: Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St.*
The buzz: The Broncos must protect young quarterback Jay Cutler's blind side. Clady may be the best pure left tackle in this fine class.
I think it comes down to who KC picks. A lot of these experts are having the Chefs select DT's Ellis and Dorsey. I know they need help at DT worse than Denver , but they are also in desperate need at OT. If they take a DT or OT will probably shape who Denver selects. I would love for Ellis to fall to 12.
footstepsfrom#27
03-30-2008, 10:13 AM
He forgot punter, kicker, center, running back and defensive coordinator.
BroncoBuff
03-30-2008, 02:58 PM
Yahoo's latest Mock has Denver takling Clady too.
12. Denver (7-9)
The Pick: Ryan Clady, OT, Boise St.*
The buzz: The Broncos must protect young quarterback Jay Cutler's blind side. Clady may be the best pure left tackle in this fine class.
I think it comes down to who KC picks. A lot of these experts are having the Chefs select DT's Ellis and Dorsey. I know they need help at DT worse than Denver , but they are also in desperate need at OT. If they take a DT or OT will probably shape who Denver selects. I would love for Ellis to fall to 12.
I am fine with Clady ... if Dorsey and Ellis are gone, AND: if Ryan Harris can play RT. But I think Harris is a LT, and is our LT of the future. Nobody here wants to call Harris the "LTOTF," but there is substantial evidence he is just that.
gunns
03-30-2008, 03:13 PM
Our Safety issues are solved for the year at least,
I don't know about that and why not get some insurance because at this point we have little to no depth at safety, Lynch is no spring chicken and what we have on hand I hate.
I think Kiper hit it on the head as far as our needs. I think Harris hurt his chances as the absolute heir apparent to LT by getting hurt. Set off a subtle alarm. No matter what it's always "interesting" to see what Shanahan does in the first round
~Crash~
03-30-2008, 03:48 PM
Selvin Young saved them last year in that Buffalo game.
:spit:
He must have been talking about the game winning field goal he kicked against Buffalo...oh wait, that was the guy that just signed with Atlanta. Maybe Selvin was the one that convinced Shanahan that they still had time to get the field goal unit out there.
come on man get it right the guy that saved the buffalo was walker ...
wabbit
03-31-2008, 01:16 AM
It's not that often that a bevy of top tier OT's become available in the draft combined with a drafting position to land one.
It would be, in my very humble opinion, very unwise for Denver to pass up this chance.
TheReverend
03-31-2008, 03:35 AM
I am fine with Clady ... if Dorsey and Ellis are gone, AND: if Ryan Harris can play RT. But I think Harris is a LT, and is our LT of the future. Nobody here wants to call Harris the "LTOTF," but there is substantial evidence he is just that.
I'm fairly confident you just coined "LTOTF"... and honestly, I think I'm embarassed for you.
TheReverend
03-31-2008, 03:36 AM
I don't know about that and why not get some insurance because at this point we have little to no depth at safety, Lynch is no spring chicken and what we have on hand I hate.
I think Kiper hit it on the head as far as our needs. I think Harris hurt his chances as the absolute heir apparent to LT by getting hurt. Set off a subtle alarm. No matter what it's always "interesting" to see what Shanahan does in the first round
Uhhh... we have four safeties with starting experience... one a perennial pro-bowler albeit with age, one with great upside and two solid players.