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silverwing
03-24-2008, 08:08 PM
NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Brandon Marshall will miss the next three months after undergoing arm surgery over the weekend.
As it turns out, the injury was far more severe than Marshall has let on. He severed an artery, a vein, and five muscle tendons. Marshall not only needed stitches, but surgery to suture the wounds. He'll be in a cast for the next two weeks and a splint four weeks after that. Marshall reportedly didn't get hurt slipping on a McDonalds bag. He was wrestling with family members.

http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3653

theAPAOps5
03-24-2008, 08:12 PM
Damn it! Thats all I have to say. And the story is already changing. I stood up for him too. ************************************************** ************************************************** ************************************************** **********************************

cutthemdown
03-24-2008, 08:14 PM
What a joke. Broncos should draft wr early and often this draft IMO. I have a bad feeling about Brandon Marshall. This could really set him back for this yr.

Bob's your Information Minister
03-24-2008, 08:15 PM
At least he didn't slip on a dog or injure his foot getting off the couch...

cutthemdown
03-24-2008, 08:16 PM
anyone who believed that story probably shouldn't go into the legal field in anyway. That story had lie, lie, lie written all over it. McDonalds bag give me a break. I say we put him on the non football injury list and he doesnt get paid until hes ready to play.

theAPAOps5
03-24-2008, 08:18 PM
Damn it fat bastard if you are going to try and make witty remarks do it right. Caveman was "cracking" his toe knuckles when he broke his foot. Is eating the only thing you can do right?

Conklin
03-24-2008, 08:19 PM
anyone who believed that story probably shouldn't go into the legal field in anyway. That story had lie, lie, lie written all over it. McDonalds bag give me a break. I say we put him on the non football injury list and he doesnt get paid until hes ready to play.

i believe he still gets paid if on this list, just doesnt count towards roster

cutthemdown
03-24-2008, 08:19 PM
At least he didn't slip on a dog or injure his foot getting off the couch...

It's a good time to hate the Broncos. The franchise is down right now. The bad news is KC isn't any better off. In fact the way Croyle looked I wouldn't be surprised if they drafted a qb this yr. So half of it is good for you, Broncos stink and are broke. The other half isn't so good. Chiefs are even worst and your still a loser.

probably not easy for you to deal with even though you try to act like you don't care. I know the truth though, you cry yourself to sleep because no women will talk to you and you have no talent that makes you special. Being able to piss people off is not a skill, its a symptom of how sad of a man you are.

Seriously think about why you are such a troll, then figure out if you can change it. You might want to think about it.

cutthemdown
03-24-2008, 08:22 PM
i believe he still gets paid if on this list, just doesnt count towards roster

does someone know for sure? Football has become so complicated trying to know all the rules is asking a lot even for the agents.

rugbythug
03-24-2008, 08:24 PM
Link?

Bob's your Information Minister
03-24-2008, 08:24 PM
Seems like Daryl Gardener was the only guy that came clean on his injury in Donkland recently...good old IHOP.

Didn't Marshall have gang ties or something?

BroncoMan4ever
03-24-2008, 08:30 PM
just remember Marshall missed a lot of workouts last year and still had 1300 yards and 100 catches. He will be fine by the time the season starts

SouthStndJunkie
03-24-2008, 08:31 PM
As soon as Cutler is done baby sitting him in Atlanta, he goes and screws up again.

Who knows if the wrestling with family story is true.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-24-2008, 08:34 PM
3 mo? im not worried.

Dukes
03-24-2008, 08:37 PM
I don't like that he's in the news as much as he is, BUT this really isn't that big of a deal. It's not his neck, back, or legs.

DukeWoody
03-24-2008, 08:37 PM
3 mo? im not worried.

Me neither...Back by July, no sweat..

silverwing
03-24-2008, 08:51 PM
I love how the NFL Network analysts keep making fun of Marshall's injury... :thumbs:

BroncoBuff
03-24-2008, 08:52 PM
:nono:

DomCasual
03-24-2008, 08:54 PM
I don't like that he's in the news as much as he is, BUT this really isn't that big of a deal. It's not his neck, back, or legs.

Yeah, Darius Watts said that once.

Once.

Ramathorn
03-24-2008, 09:03 PM
Boycott Mcdonalds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Punisher
03-24-2008, 09:06 PM
just remember Marshall missed a lot of workouts last year and still had 1300 yards and 100 catches. He will be fine by the time the season starts

Lets pray :pray: :pray:

Ray Finkle
03-24-2008, 09:13 PM
I say draft 2 DL, 1 MLB, 2 OL and 4 WR....this guy is an ass clown.

Punisher
03-24-2008, 09:16 PM
Whats next shanny fires himself???

SureShot
03-24-2008, 09:16 PM
Hello Desean Jackson!

Dr. Broncenstein
03-24-2008, 09:19 PM
I wonder when the news will finally come out that he was cut with a knife...

Doggcow
03-24-2008, 09:26 PM
So anyone have any expertise in this area? Will this injury be chronic? Will it fully heal and be in game shape come kickoff?

DB_champ24
03-24-2008, 09:30 PM
He's going to be fine..Its not like hes not going to be in condition because he still can run and do things...And the type of physical therapy these guys get is insane so I'm not at all worried about his physical status...Mentally, I dont know where his head is at and I want to know what really caused this.

broncos loveI
03-24-2008, 09:31 PM
NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Brandon Marshall will miss the next three months after undergoing arm surgery over the weekend.
As it turns out, the injury was far more severe than Marshall has let on. He severed an artery, a vein, and five muscle tendons. Marshall not only needed stitches, but surgery to suture the wounds. He'll be in a cast for the next two weeks and a splint four weeks after that. Marshall reportedly didn't get hurt slipping on a McDonalds bag. He was wrestling with family members.

http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3653

Not a big deal to me. Shyt happens. He will be back in time for training camp, unless their is something else they are hiding.

watermock
03-24-2008, 09:34 PM
It's OBVIOUSLY SOB'S fault...or his dog's...

bpc
03-24-2008, 09:38 PM
Well the season of hell just continues. I'm really not surprised this wasn't what was led on, i'm really not surprised that Denver demanded he come back into town for an inspection. I'm really not that suprised that most peoples opinions of Brandon Marshall from the personnel side of it, think he is a loose cannon who can snap at any time.

Knowing our luck, this might put his season in jeopardy.

broncofan2438
03-24-2008, 09:39 PM
Not worried about it, long before season starts

That One Guy
03-24-2008, 09:44 PM
Now where's all those ass clowns that mocked those who said the first story was straight BS? When we all said there's no F-in way the guy slipped on a Mcdonalds wrapper they started claiming we were calling him spiderman. Now come out of the woodwork, admit to the whole Mane that you are an idiot and actually believed the original story. While you're getting up the nerve to identify yourself, go ahead and etch "gullible" into your forehead with something pointed. You deserve it.

Northman
03-24-2008, 09:50 PM
The Curse of Javon Walker is already unfolding.

Dr. Broncenstein
03-24-2008, 09:51 PM
I can't remember the last time I saw glass sever forearm tendons. Actually, I havent... but I've seen knife wounds do this. Also, I can't recall the last time that I saw someone with a traumatic tendon injury that didn't need months if not a year of rehab just to get the majority of function back.

He's lying about the mechanism.... first clue is "I tripped" or "I slipped." Yeah right... just like everyone else that comes in with a partially severed arm... or a woman with a black eye and a broken arm... or someone with a cucumber in their ass.

This board cracks me up... especially the collective groupthink response of "this is a non-story." Guess what... its a huge story and we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

SureShot
03-24-2008, 09:54 PM
I can't remember the last time I saw glass sever forearm tendons. Actually, I havent... but I've seen knife wounds do this. Also, I can't recall the last time that I saw someone with a traumatic tendon injury that didn't need months if not a year of rehab just to get the majority of function back.

He's lying about the mechanism.... first clue is "I tripped" or "I slipped." Yeah right... just like everyone else that comes in with a partially severed arm... or a woman with a black eye and a broken arm... or someone with a cucumber in their ass.

This board cracks me up... especially the collective groupthink response of "this is a non-story." Guess what... its a huge story and we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.


****

Northman
03-24-2008, 09:55 PM
I can't remember the last time I saw glass sever forearm tendons. Actually, I havent... but I've seen knife wounds do this. Also, I can't recall the last time that I saw someone with a traumatic tendon injury that didn't need months if not a year of rehab just to get the majority of function back.

He's lying about the mechanism.... first clue is "I tripped" or "I slipped." Yeah right... just like everyone else that comes in with a partially severed arm... or a woman with a black eye and a broken arm... or someone with a cucumber in their ass.

This board cracks me up... especially the collective groupthink response of "this is a non-story." Guess what... its a huge story and we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Have to agree with you here. I have backed Brandon up until this point. Whether or not he did trip or slip and hurt himself is irrelevant to me. My problem is he is our biggest offensive weapon, especially following the departure of Walker and he knows this. To put himself in a position to get hurt just sets this team back bigtime. And if we (the Broncos) were toying with the idea of taking a receiver with the #12 pick than this just re-enforces the issue now. I know the draft is deep but i think this changes the thinking a little bit.

Bob's your Information Minister
03-24-2008, 09:57 PM
or someone with a cucumber in their ass.

.

No, seriously. I slipped. Twinkie wrapper.

epicSocialism4tw
03-24-2008, 10:01 PM
He pulled a Griese.

Not good.

backup qb
03-24-2008, 10:07 PM
And to think, sports are supposed to be a reprieve from the daily grind that we all endure. With all the BS we broncos fans have put up with over the last year and a half I sometimes wonder why I even care? Not to mention I am a die hard St. Louis Cardinal fan and have had to deal with their alcohol related BS too....

Los Broncos
03-24-2008, 10:08 PM
Sure he'll be back in three months, but he seems a little unstable.

kmonty
03-24-2008, 10:18 PM
I just wish the guy would stay out of the news.

Paladin
03-24-2008, 10:26 PM
Fuggit. Cut him. Aint worth the aggravation.....

BlaK-Argentina
03-24-2008, 10:40 PM
Well this sucks.

gunns
03-24-2008, 10:44 PM
I can't remember the last time I saw glass sever forearm tendons. Actually, I havent... but I've seen knife wounds do this. Also, I can't recall the last time that I saw someone with a traumatic tendon injury that didn't need months if not a year of rehab just to get the majority of function back.

He's lying about the mechanism.... first clue is "I tripped" or "I slipped." Yeah right... just like everyone else that comes in with a partially severed arm... or a woman with a black eye and a broken arm... or someone with a cucumber in their ass.

This board cracks me up... especially the collective groupthink response of "this is a non-story." Guess what... its a huge story and we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Had a friend who severed arm tendons on broken glass. Took him several years to get total function back in his arm. I do have trouble with the TV thing, the wrestling, slipping scenarios. It's why he feel he has to lie that bothers me. You are absolutely right, this is huge and makes me very angry that we have to look at WR so soon in the draft too.

bronco militia
03-24-2008, 10:44 PM
wow...are our donks cursed or what?

OBF1
03-24-2008, 10:45 PM
NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports Brandon Marshall will miss the next three months after undergoing arm surgery over the weekend.
As it turns out, the injury was far more severe than Marshall has let on. He severed an artery, a vein, and five muscle tendons. Marshall not only needed stitches, but surgery to suture the wounds. He'll be in a cast for the next two weeks and a splint four weeks after that. Marshall reportedly didn't get hurt slipping on a McDonalds bag. He was wrestling with family members.

http://rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3653


I keep saying, this guy is going to end up an all time Flava Clown :thumbs:

Billy Clyde Puckett
03-24-2008, 10:48 PM
I'm more worried about the muscle between his ears than the one in his forearm.

broncswin
03-24-2008, 10:50 PM
Paging Kerry Colbert to the #1 wr....now I see why we signed him

Broncoman13
03-24-2008, 11:02 PM
Ugg, the first thing that popped into my mind after hearing this news was Darrius Watts and the Claw.

Chances are this will affect his grip which well affect his pass catching... ****!

Broncojef
03-24-2008, 11:03 PM
The drama of the last season just can't be topped can it? I mean when will this crap ever stop? We are one seriously snake bit franchise right now.

HEAV
03-24-2008, 11:05 PM
Relax.

While this is a set back, it's not an ACL tear. Yes he may have a weak wing for now. But B-Marsh has shown us all his heart and fire to play this game.

He may lose arm and upper body strength, but I have no doubt's he will work on his lower body and his speed training. Also rehab that arm like the beast he his in the weight room.


As far as the rough house'n and wrastle'n... dumb move. But at least he wasn't drunk driving...

Look we all know he's young and immature at times. Just have to hope he grows from this along with the bending court case.

400HZ
03-24-2008, 11:09 PM
Wow. You guys have some ****ty luck.

gunns
03-24-2008, 11:12 PM
Wow. You guys have some ****ty luck.

Yep. But at least we haven't had it for over 40 years.

eddie mac
03-24-2008, 11:16 PM
I'd be a lot more worried if he's suffered nerve damage.

montrose
03-24-2008, 11:17 PM
God **** it Brandon!

Northman
03-24-2008, 11:18 PM
I'd be a lot more worried if he's suffered nerve damage.

Its still early.

Broncoman13
03-24-2008, 11:20 PM
Relax.

While this is a set back, it's not an ACL tear. Yes he may have a weak wing for now. But B-Marsh has shown us all his heart and fire to play this game.

He may lose arm and upper body strength, but I have no doubt's he will work on his lower body and his speed training. Also rehab that arm like the beast he his in the weight room.


As far as the rough house'n and wrastle'n... dumb move. But at least he wasn't drunk driving...

Look we all know he's young and immature at times. Just have to hope he grows from this along with the bending court case.


I wouldn't have a problem if he were rough house'n or wrestlin or foolin around with his boyz or whatever... I didn't buy the slippin story and I'm not real sure I buy the TV part of either story.

theAPAOps5
03-24-2008, 11:22 PM
Well he could have been wrestling around and still slipped on the McD bag. That would make more sense than just slipping on it out of nowhere.

bcbronc
03-24-2008, 11:28 PM
I wouldn't have a problem if he were rough house'n or wrestlin or foolin around with his boyz or whatever... I didn't buy the slippin story and I'm not real sure I buy the TV part of either story.

we definitely need to start some rampant speculation.

i'll start: clearly a suicide attempt gone wrong.


:stirstir:

RhymesayersDU
03-24-2008, 11:39 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8075dc82&template=with-video&confirm=true

Marshall out three months after surgery on arm
By | Associated Press

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Denver Broncos star wide receiver Brandon Marshall severed an artery, a vein and a nerve in his forearm along with tendons to five muscles in a freak accident last weekend, NFL Network's Adam Schefter reported Monday.

Marshall, who had a breakout season for the Broncos last year, has said he slipped on a fast food bag on Saturday and put his right arm through a home entertainment center. Schefter reported that he told the team he was wrestling with family members when he got hurt.

Marshall underwent surgery on Saturday and will be in a cast for two weeks, then a splint for a month. He's expected to be miss several more months before he can start strengthening exercises but is expected to be ready for the Broncos' training camp, which starts in late July, the network reported.

Neither Marshall nor his agent, Fletcher Smith, returned a phone message from The Associated Press. Marshall was at Broncos headquarters Monday, when the team's offseason strength and conditioning program got under way, but he was not made available to reporters who had requested him.

Team spokesman Jim Saccomano said Monday night that he had no information on Marshall's injury.

At least one of Marshall's teammates said Monday he didn't think he was seriously hurt and even made light of his injury.

"I've done things like that too. It may seem silly to the public, but I have been in that situation, too," tight end Tony Scheffler said. "I'm accident-prone and I can tell you similar stories. He didn't get hurt too badly. He was here today and will be back at it before you know it.

"You laugh at something like this."

Also on Monday, a jury trial was postponed for Marshall, who is accused of driving under the influence. A new trial date was set for June in Denver District Court after his lawyer asked for a delay.

Marshall was arrested in downtown Denver on suspicion of drunken driving on Oct. 22, hours after he caught six passes for 77 yards in the Broncos' 31-28 victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers at Invesco Field.

Marshall blossomed into the Broncos' best receiver last year, catching 102 passes for 1,325 yards and seven touchdowns. His emergence led to the release of Javon Walker, who signed with the Oakland Raiders.

bronco militia
03-24-2008, 11:42 PM
... dumb move. But at least he wasn't drunk driving...



errrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Ha!

yerner
03-24-2008, 11:42 PM
Severed tendons? Wow, that don't sound good. Esp. for someone who needs his hands.

bpc
03-24-2008, 11:59 PM
Brandon Stokely didn't do so well as our #2, maybe he'll fair better as our #1.

In all seriousness, I'm not buying the falling when wrestling excuse just like I didn't buy the mcdonald's wrapper lie.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 12:02 AM
I keep saying, this guy is going to end up an all time Flava Clown :thumbs:

...and for those who didn't think some of us knew what we were talking about...

Sassy
03-25-2008, 12:04 AM
Is it too late to patch things up with Javon ;D

Rohirrim
03-25-2008, 12:07 AM
I can't believe the **** that happens to this ****ing team. Seriously. Sometimes I just can't ****ing believe it.

Florida_Bronco
03-25-2008, 12:35 AM
I really can't believe some of the people on this board, continually blowing things out of proportion. You'd think they'd learn after B-Marsh's girlfriend incident, or the bedpost thing, or the Marcus Thomas thing and so on.

So let's assume that it was some type of altercation between family members. Is it really a surprise that Brandon would not want that in the media and might lie about it? How does this qualify as a flava clown or headcase? ???

I'm going to say it again, even though I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears, but we need to wait until ALL the FACTS come out before we get all wound up...or else some of you are going to come out looking like complete fools once again. This definetly sucks that he is injured, but it's likely that he will be ready to go once the season starts.

By all means this appears to be an accident. Much like all the bitching when he was injured in preseason, I'm sure it'll be a non issue once he is on the field and producing again.

rovolution
03-25-2008, 12:44 AM
Wow. You guys have some ****ty luck.

i heard Phillipina's injury is career ending ie Cadillac Williams, not a simple ACL tear.

azbroncfan
03-25-2008, 12:46 AM
I really can't believe some of the people on this board, continually blowing things out of proportion. You'd think they'd learn after B-Marsh's girlfriend incident, or the bedpost thing, or the Marcus Thomas thing and so on.

So let's assume that it was some type of altercation between family members. Is it really a surprise that Brandon would not want that in the media and might lie about it? How does this qualify as a flava clown or headcase? ???

I'm going to say it again, even though I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears, but we need to wait until ALL the FACTS come out before we get all wound up...or else some of you are going to come out looking like complete fools once again. This definetly sucks that he is injured, but it's likely that he will be ready to go once the season starts.

By all means this appears to be an accident. Much like all the b****ing when he was injured in preseason, I'm sure it'll be a non issue once he is on the field and producing again.


Exactly, he tripped/slipped on a McDonalds wrapper and it was a complete accident. ::)

Florida_Bronco
03-25-2008, 12:46 AM
Exactly, he tripped/slipped on a McDonalds wrapper and it was a complete accident. ::)

Did you not read my post?

400HZ
03-25-2008, 12:48 AM
i heard Phillipina's injury is career ending ie Cadillac Williams, not a simple ACL tear.

I heard he's ahead of schedule. Gates and Hardwick are questionable for the season opener, though.

Florida_Bronco
03-25-2008, 12:50 AM
i heard Phillipina's injury is career ending ie Cadillac Williams, not a simple ACL tear.

Cadilliac Williams injury was not career ending. Unless I was totally asleep at the wheel...living in the Tampa area I'm sure this would have been a huge deal.

SoCalBronco
03-25-2008, 12:52 AM
son of a bitch

400HZ
03-25-2008, 12:54 AM
Cadilliac Williams injury was not career ending. Unless I was totally asleep at the wheel...living in the Tampa area I'm sure this would have been a huge deal.

Remember the three "can't miss" running back prospects of 05? Cadilliac, Cedric Benson, and Ronnie Brown? Doh!

Sassy
03-25-2008, 12:55 AM
I can't remember the last time I saw glass sever forearm tendons. Actually, I havent... but I've seen knife wounds do this. Also, I can't recall the last time that I saw someone with a traumatic tendon injury that didn't need months if not a year of rehab just to get the majority of function back.

He's lying about the mechanism.... first clue is "I tripped" or "I slipped." Yeah right... just like everyone else that comes in with a partially severed arm... or a woman with a black eye and a broken arm... or someone with a cucumber in their ass.

This board cracks me up... especially the collective groupthink response of "this is a non-story." Guess what... its a huge story and we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg.

Yikes! Let's just say he had maybe more to do with Darrent Williams Murder than previously thought? Sorry...that just got me thinking...

Florida_Bronco
03-25-2008, 12:56 AM
Yikes! Let's just say he had maybe more to do with Darrent Williams Murder than previously thought? Sorry...that just got me thinking...

And what do you possibly have to back this up?

Tombstone RJ
03-25-2008, 12:59 AM
How he hurt his hand/arm is, for the most part, ill relevant right now. The fact that he could have permanent damage to his hand/arm is extremely important. If he's done nerve damage, that could seriously impare his ability to catch the ball. If he's done legiment/tendon damage, that could also impare his ability to catch the ball.

If I was Shanahan, I'd seriously investigate the cause of this injury and if it comes back to haunt Marshall and his ability to play the game at a high level, this might be grounds for legal recourse by the team.

Punisher
03-25-2008, 01:01 AM
Why did ESPN said that Marshall will miss 7 Months ???

Sassy
03-25-2008, 01:06 AM
And what do you possibly have to back this up?

If you read my post...I don't...I just said it got me thinking...when Dr. B was talking about knives...I'm speculating...no more than anyone else does here.

Los Broncos
03-25-2008, 01:06 AM
Why did ESPN said that Marshall will miss 7 Months ???

They really said that?

They must be desperate.....

Florida_Bronco
03-25-2008, 01:08 AM
If you read my post...I don't...I just said it got me thinking...when Dr. B was talking about knives...I'm speculating...no more than anyone else does here.

Ahhh ok, I gotcha.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-25-2008, 01:09 AM
How he hurt his hand/arm is, for the most part, ill relevant right now. The fact that he could have permanent damage to his hand/arm is extremely important. If he's done nerve damage, that could seriously impare his ability to catch the ball. If he's done legiment/tendon damage, that could also impare his ability to catch the ball.

If I was Shanahan, I'd seriously investigate the cause of this injury and if it comes back to haunt Marshall and his ability to play the game at a high level, this might be grounds for legal recourse by the team.

Who would even care? He makes no money

Punisher
03-25-2008, 01:09 AM
They really said that?

They must be desperate.....

Yea i hope they got the wrong info.......Man this sucks

Los Broncos
03-25-2008, 01:11 AM
Yea i hope they got the wrong info.......Man this sucks

Hate to say it, but things may get worse before they get better.

theAPAOps5
03-25-2008, 01:11 AM
Well go back and read Dr. B's post. He severed Tendons. That is big time injury. Maybe that is where they are getting 7 months.

Atwater His Ass
03-25-2008, 01:15 AM
Who would even care? He makes no money

Because, maybe, if you've been paying attention, he's our best WR?

Oh that's right, you look for every opportunity to start some flamebait. I forgot.

Punisher
03-25-2008, 01:16 AM
Dammit Marshall do what normal family's do play Monopoly!!! :nono:

SonOfLe-loLang
03-25-2008, 01:18 AM
Because, maybe, if you've been paying attention, he's our best WR?

Oh that's right, you look for every opportunity to start some flamebait. I forgot.

Anushead, i was responding to the comment about them taking legal action. not the importance of his injury.

NW Bolt Fan
03-25-2008, 01:20 AM
That sucks for you guys, but Donnie Edwards dropped a piece of glass on his calf. Cut him up pretty good (can't remember if tendons were involved) right before TC. He ended up making it back, and playing fine by the end of the year.

Maybe Marshall is back and in form at some point in the season...

theAPAOps5
03-25-2008, 01:20 AM
Anushead! Thats a new one and I like IT

Atwater His Ass
03-25-2008, 01:22 AM
Although, gasp, I'd agree with you on that point, doesn't change the fact you're negative about 100% of the time. Get's old after awhile.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-25-2008, 01:23 AM
That sucks for you guys, but Donnie Edwards dropped a piece of glass on his calf. Cut him up pretty good (can't remember if tendons were involved) right before TC. He ended up making it back, and playing fine by the end of the year.

Maybe Marshall is back and in form at some point in the season...

In case you lost your calendar, it's only march...not late July

SonOfLe-loLang
03-25-2008, 01:26 AM
Although, gasp, I'd agree with you on that point, doesn't change the fact you're negative about 100% of the time. Get's old after awhile.


I don't think I'm negative 100 percent of the time, in fact, if you look at many of my posts, it's usually about how people are over reacting about BS or sticking up for players when people make blanket judgments about them. I've also said, many times, that the NFL is often unpredictable and even though our team might not look great on paper, you never know come september.

If my posts are negative towards idiocy and lunacy, then yes, guilty as charged, but I think I'm probably one of the more optimistic bronco fans on this board.

And, in fact, the comment you are calling negative isn't even negative! Me calling you Anushead is negative.

Hogan11
03-25-2008, 01:29 AM
In case you lost your calendar, it's only march...not late July

Which is why I'm not all that concerned about it. To me, it's just the latest lunkheaded move by our all talent and no brains #1 WR.

I suppose having him learn something from this would be asking a bit too much, so just let him be healthy and ready by training camp...that's all I want for him.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 01:34 AM
Which is why I'm not all that concerned about it. To me, it's just the latest lunkheaded move by our all talent and no brains #1 WR.

I suppose having him learn something from this would be asking a bit too much, so just let him be healthy and ready by training camp...that's all I want for him.

but you're asking for Marsh to have common sense? LOL!...Is that going to happen? :wiggle:

NFLBRONCO
03-25-2008, 01:38 AM
wow...are our donks cursed or what?


Hope it isn't the Nuggets curse hitting the Broncos

~Crash~
03-25-2008, 01:39 AM
I really can't believe some of the people on this board, continually blowing things out of proportion. You'd think they'd learn after B-Marsh's girlfriend incident, or the bedpost thing, or the Marcus Thomas thing and so on.

So let's assume that it was some type of altercation between family members. Is it really a surprise that Brandon would not want that in the media and might lie about it? How does this qualify as a flava clown or headcase? ???

I'm going to say it again, even though I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears, but we need to wait until ALL the FACTS come out before we get all wound up...or else some of you are going to come out looking like complete fools once again. This definetly sucks that he is injured, but it's likely that he will be ready to go once the season starts.

By all means this appears to be an accident. Much like all the b****ing when he was injured in preseason, I'm sure it'll be a non issue once he is on the field and producing again.:thumbs: :thumbs: :thumbs:

boltaneer
03-25-2008, 01:39 AM
Cadilliac Williams injury was not career ending. Unless I was totally asleep at the wheel...living in the Tampa area I'm sure this would have been a huge deal.

Actually, there has been a lot of speculation as to Cadillac's injury (patellar tendon) being a career ending one.

It's all speculation at this point but it was a very serious injury. Hopefully it's not true because he's a fun guy to watch run the ball.

As for Marshall, it sucks for the Broncos but it doesn't surprise me that this guy is in the news yet again.

~Crash~
03-25-2008, 01:42 AM
To the people that think **** don't happen guess what some time it does stink even if you do not think it does not ....LOL

bpc
03-25-2008, 01:43 AM
I really can't believe some of the people on this board, continually blowing things out of proportion. You'd think they'd learn after B-Marsh's girlfriend incident, or the bedpost thing, or the Marcus Thomas thing and so on.

So let's assume that it was some type of altercation between family members. Is it really a surprise that Brandon would not want that in the media and might lie about it? How does this qualify as a flava clown or headcase? ???

I'm going to say it again, even though I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears, but we need to wait until ALL the FACTS come out before we get all wound up...or else some of you are going to come out looking like complete fools once again. This definetly sucks that he is injured, but it's likely that he will be ready to go once the season starts.

By all means this appears to be an accident. Much like all the b****ing when he was injured in preseason, I'm sure it'll be a non issue once he is on the field and producing again.

What if he doesn't produce on the field again, at least for this year? We're ****ed at WR. This round of events completely alters what we might have to do in this draft.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 01:44 AM
Crap...I can no longer give out "Marshall is an Idiot Rep" ;D

DBroncos4life
03-25-2008, 01:49 AM
having him do things like this (ala getting hurt every offseason) almost forces us to look at adding another WR in the draft either that or we should nut up and sign Darrell Jackson. I don't care if he can't catch all the time he still gives us more hope then what we have now if Marshall should decide to eat at BK this offseason.

Florida_Bronco
03-25-2008, 01:58 AM
What if he doesn't produce on the field again, at least for this year? We're ****ed at WR. This round of events completely alters what we might have to do in this draft.

Lets keep in mind that at this time all we have a report for Schefter, who is a good reporter but has been wrong his fair share of times.

I'm going to continue assuming this is an accident and not be a long term issue until we have something more definite saying otherwise.

BlaK-Argentina
03-25-2008, 02:10 AM
A couple of years ago I went into my grandfather's room, didn't see a blanket on the floor (the floor was slippery), slipped, kicked a glass door and if I hadn't been fast enough in getting my foot out of the way, I don't think I would be walking the way I am today.
Let's not jump to conclusions yet. (too much to ask of the Mane, I know... especially when it's something about Marshall)
Yes, the injury does suck, but we don't REALLY know what happened.

Mediator12
03-25-2008, 02:12 AM
I really can't believe some of the people on this board, continually blowing things out of proportion. You'd think they'd learn after B-Marsh's girlfriend incident, or the bedpost thing, or the Marcus Thomas thing and so on.

So let's assume that it was some type of altercation between family members. Is it really a surprise that Brandon would not want that in the media and might lie about it? How does this qualify as a flava clown or headcase? ???

I'm going to say it again, even though I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears, but we need to wait until ALL the FACTS come out before we get all wound up...or else some of you are going to come out looking like complete fools once again. This definetly sucks that he is injured, but it's likely that he will be ready to go once the season starts.

By all means this appears to be an accident. Much like all the b****ing when he was injured in preseason, I'm sure it'll be a non issue once he is on the field and producing again.

Florida Bronco, I do not think you are seeing the WHOLE picture here. It is not the first, second, third, or even fourth incident that is troubling here in and of itself. It is the pattern of reckless behavior. Everyone views each individual event seperately and they should be viewed that way. However, to dismiss the pattern of behavior is to bury your head in the sand when you should be looking.

Here is the question. What will it take to make you believe that Marshall is an irresponsible person who can not control himself off the field even with a TON of help? He lied to the media and made that choice to Lie. He was under NO obligation to make statements to them about his health in any way. And, he made up a ridiculous story as a cover, instead of just saying no comment.

There is a reason why a player as talented as Marshall dropped to the fourth round. He had character red flags as bad as Mario Manningham lying to NFL teams and officials at the Combine this year about HIS off-field transgressions. Thankfully, these have not been leaked to the press at this point, but I gaurantee they will start to dig deeper and harder after he lied to them. They do not take that very well.

Hogan11
03-25-2008, 02:14 AM
Irresponsible? Bah, he's just having fun.......

SonOfLe-loLang
03-25-2008, 02:20 AM
Florida Bronco, I do not think you are seeing the WHOLE picture here. It is not the first, second, third, or even fourth incident that is troubling here in and of itself. It is the pattern of reckless behavior. Everyone views each individual event seperately and they should be viewed that way. However, to dismiss the pattern of behavior is to bury your head in the sand when you should be looking.

Here is the question. What will it take to make you believe that Marshall is an irresponsible person who can not control himself off the field even with a TON of help? He lied to the media and made that choice to Lie. He was under NO obligation to make statements to them about his health in any way. And, he made up a ridiculous story as a cover, instead of just saying no comment.

There is a reason why a player as talented as Marshall dropped to the fourth round. He had character red flags as bad as Mario Manningham lying to NFL teams and officials at the Combine this year about HIS off-field transgressions. Thankfully, these have not been leaked to the press at this point, but I gaurantee they will start to dig deeper and harder after he lied to them. They do not take that very well.


Is that true? Character concerns were what dropped Marshall? I thought it was more they said he was slow and he played defense for half his college career.

Hulamau
03-25-2008, 02:25 AM
Yeah, Darius Watts said that once.

Once.

Amen to that Dom, Marshall is a very immature kid, you can see that in his demeanor ... thats not a crime , but I can imagine it has Shanny reaching for the Grecian Formula 99 ... and a shot of Jack Daniels as well !

Tjee! He has zero awareness of what a lucky position he is in and I'm sure this is a bull**** story as well.

Instead of 'wrestling' with a 'family' member he was likely in a 'drunkin' knife fight' with a 'gang' member. Or had a car wreck while drunk. Kid may well have a serious alcohol problem as well and I can imagine the BS stories are more in response to his pending court date for DUI than for the general football public.

We need two stud WR's to make up for when this clown really implodes.

Why would he even bother with the McDonald's wrapper idiocy when the family wrestling thing is just as good an excuse .. and even more likely one?

I agree with Mediator here, this kid is a loose cannon. Great WR, I just hope this incident finally knocks some sense into him and he starts to grow up pronto!

How can you tell Marshall is bull****ting us? His lips are moving. :spit:

Houshyamama
03-25-2008, 02:27 AM
Standard Overreaction!!!

BlaK-Argentina
03-25-2008, 02:39 AM
If Marshall really screwed the pooch this time, give him one more chance and if he strikes out, get rid of him, no matter how good he is. We have to clean this team up.

Hopefully someone talks to him and makes him see that he's a lucky SOB and that he should ****ing behave already. He's got tremendous potential and it might all go to waste if he keeps this up.

SonOfLe-loLang
03-25-2008, 02:41 AM
If Marshall really screwed the pooch this time, give him one more chance and if he strikes out, get rid of him, no matter how good he is. We have to clean this team up.

Hopefully someone talks to him and makes him see that he's a lucky SOB and that he should ****ing behave already. He's got tremendous potential and it might all go to waste if he keeps this up.

I think this is a bit extreme. he doesnt seem like a bad guy...just more like a young dolt.

Florida_Bronco
03-25-2008, 02:58 AM
Florida Bronco, I do not think you are seeing the WHOLE picture here. It is not the first, second, third, or even fourth incident that is troubling here in and of itself. It is the pattern of reckless behavior. Everyone views each individual event seperately and they should be viewed that way. However, to dismiss the pattern of behavior is to bury your head in the sand when you should be looking.

Here is the question. What will it take to make you believe that Marshall is an irresponsible person who can not control himself off the field even with a TON of help? He lied to the media and made that choice to Lie. He was under NO obligation to make statements to them about his health in any way. And, he made up a ridiculous story as a cover, instead of just saying no comment.

There is a reason why a player as talented as Marshall dropped to the fourth round. He had character red flags as bad as Mario Manningham lying to NFL teams and officials at the Combine this year about HIS off-field transgressions. Thankfully, these have not been leaked to the press at this point, but I gaurantee they will start to dig deeper and harder after he lied to them. They do not take that very well.

Good point Med. You know I trust your posts and really respect and value your takes.

I'm not sure what off field issues he had before Denver. I do know that the issue with the girlfriend ended up being blown way out of proportion, and his DUI has not been decided yet.

I'm not trying to prop Marshall up to be some kind of saint - I think Slap said it best when he said that Marshall is probably a bit of a knucklehead - but I think he gets a little unfair criticism here.

Now I know you have some good sources inside the organization, so perhaps you know things I don't, but from where I'm standing all I see is a report that he lied and this is the result of wrestling around (whether that be in play or in anger I have no idea) and with the way some stories turn out to be nothing, I'm sure you can understand my reluctance to get wound up over this.

Popps
03-25-2008, 03:12 AM
This off-season rules.

TDmvp
03-25-2008, 03:13 AM
who all do we play in the next 3 months ... sucks he will miss those games ...:nyahdevil

Northman
03-25-2008, 03:19 AM
Crap...I can no longer give out "Marshall is an Idiot Rep" ;D

Whatever you say LT.

Northman
03-25-2008, 03:21 AM
A couple of years ago I went into my grandfather's room, didn't see a blanket on the floor (the floor was slippery), slipped, kicked a glass door and if I hadn't been fast enough in getting my foot out of the way, I don't think I would be walking the way I am today.
Let's not jump to conclusions yet. (too much to ask of the Mane, I know... especially when it's something about Marshall)
Yes, the injury does suck, but we don't REALLY know what happened.


Yea, i once slipped on a cheeseburger wrapper. Came out of nowhere. This is why i have a bionic leg now.

Northman
03-25-2008, 03:23 AM
Standard Overreaction!!!


Whenever a major player gets hurt and is going to miss a lot of time its not an overreaction.

BMF Bronco
03-25-2008, 03:24 AM
This off-season rules.

QFT

Bronco Jamus
03-25-2008, 03:38 AM
I am glad he's okay. That's more important than football ever could be.

telluride
03-25-2008, 03:46 AM
I am glad he's okay. That's more important than football ever could be.

Heretic!







:wiggle:

cutthemdown
03-25-2008, 03:51 AM
3 mo? im not worried.

can I borrow your orange colored glasses to get some optimism. I'm 100 percent convinced Marshal is not going to be a good locker room guy. He's a liar and he talks to much IMO. Those 2 traits being so easy to spot make me very apprehensive about Marshal. I'm pretty sure this guys career is not going to be real good because he has the wrong attitude and is a bad apple.

As far as his recovery goes this could very well ruin a chunk of his season. Those injuries sound pretty severe.

cutthemdown
03-25-2008, 03:53 AM
Lets keep in mind that at this time all we have a report for Schefter, who is a good reporter but has been wrong his fair share of times.

I'm going to continue assuming this is an accident and not be a long term issue until we have something more definite saying otherwise.

wow I wish I could get pulled over by Cops as easy to fool as you are.

24champ
03-25-2008, 04:32 AM
He'll be fine. Marshall is already ahead of the learning curve and will be the best Receiver the Broncos will see for quite some time. Possibly ever.I think Marshall career is parallel to Rod Smith. Rod Smith beat his wife and people seem to have forgotten that part of it.

Mourglia told officers she and Smith were having marital problems and were arguing over who would get custody of the children if they separated, the affidavit said.

She said Smith choked her, dragged her into another room, pulled her hair, banged her head into the floor and hit her. She said she hit him back.


Fortunately Rod Smith got his stuff together after that incident and turned into a community leader. I don't see why Marshall can't be given the same chance. Marshall will always be flamboyant, that part of his attitude. It may rub the Sassies and Hogans wrong, so be it. All I care about is productivity and he will produce for a long time.

DukeWoody
03-25-2008, 05:43 AM
Broncos' Marshall suffers bad cuts

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It was a Big Mac Attack. That's Brandon Marshall's story, and he's sticking to it.
"I understand I've had my problems, but from what people are saying, they're trying to twist this thing around to make me sound like some kind of bad guy," Marshall said. "I don't care what anyone says. I'm telling you what happened."
According to Marshall, the injuries to his right arm that required surgery and will sideline him for most of the offseason were the result of a freak weekend accident caused by horseplay with family members and a misplaced McDonald's bag.
"We woke up early in the morning, probably 7 o'clock, to go jet skiing," Marshall said. "There were probably 10 of us, maybe more. We got to horseplaying and I slipped on a McDonald's bag. I went hand-first into an entertainment system and, in trying to bridge myself, I went through the TV."
Marshall acknowledged earlier that he had slipped on a McDonald's bag, but an NFL Network report Monday added details of his wrestling with family members. According to the report, Marshall severed an artery, a vein and a nerve in his right forearm, along with tendons to five muscles. The injury is expected to sideline him for several weeks, but Marshall said he expects to be ready for training camp in late July.
"It seems like I'm a bad guy for injuring my arm," he said. "We'll laugh about it later. I've set goals and my goals are high. I'm determined to reach those goals, and I will not be satisfied with anything else."
Earlier Monday, Marshall's teammates seemed unaware of the nature of their teammate's injuries. He was at the Broncos' Dove Valley headquarters for the start of the team's offseason conditioning program, but wasn't made available to the media.
Tight end Tony Scheffler, who recently spent six weeks in Atlanta working out with Marshall and quarterback Jay Cutler, made light of the situation.
"I've done things like that, too," Scheffler said. "It may seem silly to the public. When you read it, you're like, 'OK, there's got to be more to the story.' But at the same time, I've been in that situation, too, where no one believes my story. I'm accident-prone and I can tell similar stories as his. Luckily, he didn't get hurt too badly. He was here today and will be back at it before you know it. It's one of those things you've just got to kind of laugh at, I guess."
Marshall, a fourth-round draft choice in 2006, had a breakout year in 2007, catching 102 passes for 1,235 yards and seven touchdowns. His emergence as Cutler's go-to receiver was a factor in the team's decision to cut Javon Walker, who had expressed his unhappiness with his role in the offense.
Word of Marshall's injuries came on the same day a jury trial was postponed in his trial on charges of driving under the influence. A new trial date has been set for June in Denver District Court. Marshall was arrested on Oct. 22, hours after catching six passes for 77 yards in a 31-28 victory over the Pittsburgh Steelers. Marshall said he would discuss his injury with the Denver media, possibly as soon as today.


Get well soon knuckle-head, we need you..

Hulamau
03-25-2008, 06:29 AM
Marshall severed an artery, a vein and a nerve in his right forearm, along with tendons to five muscles. The injury is expected to sideline him for several weeks, but Marshall said he expects to be ready for training camp in late July.

Who says hes going to be just fine by camp? Yesterday he just had a few stitches, truth is no one has any idea if he is going to have any residual effects from the nerve injury and severed tendons to five muscles in his arm/hand.

We all hope so, but he could easily be the 'Claw two' as well .. at least early this season .. if the nerve and tendons effected are important in motor control and sensation in his arm and hand. And if he does have any residuals, we will all be told by all the trainers and Marshall himself how great he is doing and how 110% he is, up until it becomes obvious to everyone if that isn't the case.

Hopefully, before the draft the docs will have a much better idea of how long it will take him to truly be 100%, but until then the draft board has got to consider the real possibility he may have residual issues for a longer period. I hope we aren't forced into it, but time will tell.

Regardless, Marshall is going to miss the entire off season program of staying in sync with Jay .. fortunately they had 6 weeks earlier, but he'll be rusty again by camp even if he's a 100% ... Its just an unfortunate set back no matter how you slice it.

And hey Jet skiing is great!.. all power to ya, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't prohibited in his contract while he is an active player? And speaking of mature judgment (or lack thereof), its a sufficiently risky past time to not risk his and the teams fortunes on a little morning of fun in the sun. One NFL player, for the Saints if I recall, drowned last year doing so. When he retires (or gets traded to the Faders) he can jet ski and hang glide till the cows come home, but with his run of luck, I'd be happier if he stuck to less adventurous pursuits while he is still pulling down millions (or getting ready to) and is on my fantasy team(s). :peace:

We freakin' need a solid number 2 who can easily be a number 1 and stretch the field in any event. But where we might have been able to go for Bennett in the 2nd in hopes of filling that role, and use our first rounder on an urgently needed OT or DT, the unstable situation with Marshall might alter the game plan and we go for Sweed or another top WR in round 1.

Hulamau
03-25-2008, 06:59 AM
Frankly I'm high on Rashad Mendenhall at RB too. What a weapon that guy appears to be and he has a huge upside with little wear and tear on his body. Now we have a 30 yr old Travis Henry who runs like a wreaking ball and has the body to show for it. A HEALTHY and FRESH Stud running back with moves like Medenhall has (assuming Harris can handle the LT load) could do wonders for Jay and the whole offense.

Rohirrim
03-25-2008, 07:19 AM
We've got to toss the Wonderlic and come up with a new test: The Idiotlic. And if they can't pass that one, you don't draft them. Severed tendons that control the muscles of the forearm? You mean, the muscles that allow the hands to catch the ball? :oyvey:

Hulamau
03-25-2008, 07:22 AM
Indeed Rohirrim, a 'Numbskull Syndrome' test is sorely needed

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:51 AM
He'll be fine. Marshall is already ahead of the learning curve and will be the best Receiver the Broncos will see for quite some time. Possibly ever.I think Marshall career is parallel to Rod Smith. Rod Smith beat his wife and people seem to have forgotten that part of it.




Fortunately Rod Smith got his stuff together after that incident and turned into a community leader. I don't see why Marshall can't be given the same chance. Marshall will always be flamboyant, that part of his attitude. It may rub the Sassies and Hogans wrong, so be it. All I care about is productivity and he will produce for a long time.

Just how many chances is that? ???

Why do H and I get all the grief...we're not the only ones thinking that way.

fontaine
03-25-2008, 08:09 AM
I really can't believe some of the people on this board, continually blowing things out of proportion. You'd think they'd learn after B-Marsh's girlfriend incident, or the bedpost thing, or the Marcus Thomas thing and so on.

So let's assume that it was some type of altercation between family members. Is it really a surprise that Brandon would not want that in the media and might lie about it? How does this qualify as a flava clown or headcase? ???

I'm going to say it again, even though I'm sure it will fall on deaf ears, but we need to wait until ALL the FACTS come out before we get all wound up...or else some of you are going to come out looking like complete fools once again. This definetly sucks that he is injured, but it's likely that he will be ready to go once the season starts.

By all means this appears to be an accident. Much like all the b****ing when he was injured in preseason, I'm sure it'll be a non issue once he is on the field and producing again.

Post of the year so far.

You're not the only one. This is non news for me.

Until I hear from the team that Marshall or any player is going to miss parts of training camp, preseason or the regular season, or worse has done something illegal or criminal, I couldn't give a sh*t.

I'm willing to bet there are people on this board that like to roll around in honey and go bear baiting in the offseason so let's not get carried away with portioning out blame and asking for him to be cut before the facts come out.

fontaine
03-25-2008, 09:01 AM
And hey Jet skiing is great!.. all power to ya, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't prohibited in his contract while he is an active player? And speaking of mature judgment (or lack thereof), its a sufficiently risky past time to not risk his and the teams fortunes on a little morning of fun in the sun. One NFL player, for the Saints if I recall, drowned last year doing so. When he retires (or gets traded to the Faders) he can jet ski and hang glide till the cows come home, but with his run of luck, I'd be happier if he stuck to less adventurous pursuits while he is still pulling down millions (or getting ready to) and is on my fantasy team(s). :peace:

Right on.

Who cares about individual's rights, even when they're outside the work environment or time off work when they might jeopardize your fantasy football lineup and heaven forbid make you unhappy?!

You're a joke.

eddie mac
03-25-2008, 09:12 AM
Personally I couldn't care less how he injured his arm or whether he lied about it or not. I'm more worried about his long-term health and any effect this may have on his availability or production in the immediate future.

dbfan21
03-25-2008, 09:33 AM
The sky is falling...the sky is falling! Oh my. What should we do? Cut him...reduce his pay...put him over our knee and spank him? The guy is 23 and was goofing off when an accident happened. He spent months in Atlanta getting faster, stronger and better with Jay and Scheff. It's not like he was at home playing PS3 on his couch this whole offseason. Did anyone see the Chad Johnson interview and hear how much Chad has done this offseason? He hasn't worked out a single minute. At least Brandon can still run and be conditioned.

In October when Marshall is owning Deangelo Hall in the black hole, everyone won't even think about this incident. You'll just be glad he plays for Denver.

Some people on this board are such drama queens it drives me nuts.

DarkHorse
03-25-2008, 09:36 AM
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I like him and all but......... I really really worry about the person he would become if he/when he finally gets league recognition. He's fun right now, but he has that personality, IMO, that could easily blossom into primadonna status.


Still worried about this guy wasting a great talent on BS.

Man-Goblin
03-25-2008, 09:39 AM
Yikes! Let's just say he had maybe more to do with Darrent Williams Murder than previously thought? Sorry...that just got me thinking...

What an unfounded, ignorant comment in a thread about a totally unrelated topic.

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 09:48 AM
Crap...I can no longer give out "Marshall is an Idiot Rep" ;D


as I said in the other Marshall thread. "he DID cut his arm on his sharp tongue".:thanku:

Mediator12
03-25-2008, 10:40 AM
What an unfounded, ignorant comment in a thread about a totally unrelated topic.

Yeah, like people with his history of behaviors have just suddenly stopped acting that way. If that were the only incident in the last year, it was not there were 3 more, then that comment might be unfounded. However, Marshall seems to find trouble everywhere he goes. He has been arrested twice, been involved in a homicide and drive by shooting, and now had a severe injury in a wrestling match that could very well impact his career severely in a little more than a calendar year.

Now, if he had had just a single incident, sure this would be a reach. However, you can not discount the pattern of trouble that follows Marshall. He has made terrible choices with absolutely no sign of slowing down. Most people who witness a friend get murdered in front of them do one of 2 things. They make drastic changes in their lives and learn to appreciate how fragile life is. Or, they just keep going on like nothing happened and keep making the same disastrous mistakes they always do. Marshall sure acts like Darrents death did not teach him a damn thing and that is pretty sad, but not uncommon. I certainly do not think he wants to make these poor choices, but he needs to want to change the way he goes about making them.

Until he shows the ability to not act these ways, his character and decision making are in question. I know People can change, but they have to want to change and get the support they need to do it. Right now, Marshall has done nothing but prove the reports on him coming out of college were spot on. And, he has not done anything to address it over the last 2 years with ample opportunity to start changing.

Look, Brandon is an immensely talented kid with maturity issues. I hope he finds a way to change, because I wish him and everyone their best. The problem is will he want to change. The article clearly points out his attitude right now as being non-remorseful or accepting the responsibility of his actions. We all make mistakes, what seperates us is the ability to learn, and not make them over and over again.

HEAV
03-25-2008, 10:44 AM
http://www.davidlnelson.md/Tendon_laceration.htm

The results after surgery depend on many factors: the location and nature of your injury, the delay between injury and first seeing a doctor, the difficulty of the repair and the skill of the surgeon, and (very importantly) how well you cooperate with post-operative hand therapy. The incisions usually heal without much problem. You will experience some stiffness in your finger, but it will improve over a period of two years, and you can dramatically decreate the stiffness by working on range of motion exercises that will be given to you by the hand therapist. You will almost certainly have use of your hand, and probably you have a very good chance of nearly normal use of your hand. The results depend on many variables. I will discuss your particular case with you at the time of the first visit, after the surgery, and as you progress through your rehabilitation.


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It's difficult to find a prognosis of B-Marsh, without the knowledge of the location of the injury. If it's the Flexor or extensor tendons he cut. But from everything I have read on the tendons and treatment of injuries, it's looking like he will have some loss of strength and range of motion in his right hand this going year.

The guy is a workout freak and if he follow's his treatment schedule he could be 90% of what he was by 2009. I know that sucks for 2008, but it could have been worse, cutting the artery could have killed him.

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 10:47 AM
Just how many chances is that? ???

Why do H and I get all the grief...we're not the only ones thinking that way.


You get the grief because your not on the Marshall "ball carrier wagon" and it drives the "nuthuggers" nuts.;D

I said it before. He does show the T.O. and Moss talents.

Whatever happened to his DUI case?

Man-Goblin
03-25-2008, 10:51 AM
Yeah, like people with his history of behaviors have just suddenly stopped acting that way. If that were the only incident in the last year, it was not there were 3 more, then that comment might be unfounded. However, Marshall seems to find trouble everywhere he goes. He has been arrested twice, been involved in a homicide and drive by shooting, and now had a severe injury in a wrestling match that could very well impact his career severely in a little more than a calendar year.

Now, if he had had just a single incident, sure this would be a reach. However, you can not discount the pattern of trouble that follows Marshall. He has made terrible choices with absolutely no sign of slowing down. Most people who witness a friend get murdered in front of them do one of 2 things. They make drastic changes in their lives and learn to appreciate how fragile life is. Or, they just keep going on like nothing happened and keep making the same disastrous mistakes they always do. Marshall sure acts like Darrents death did not teach him a damn thing and that is pretty sad, but not uncommon. I certainly do not think he wants to make these poor choices, but he needs to want to change the way he goes about making them.

Until he shows the ability to not act these ways, his character and decision making are in question. I know People can change, but they have to want to change and get the support they need to do it. Right now, Marshall has done nothing but prove the reports on him coming out of college were spot on. And, he has not done anything to address it over the last 2 years with ample opportunity to start changing.

Look, Brandon is an immensely talented kid with maturity issues. I hope he finds a way to change, because I wish him and everyone their best. The problem is will he want to change. The article clearly points out his attitude right now as being non-remorseful or accepting the responsibility of his actions. We all make mistakes, what seperates us is the ability to learn, and not make them over and over again.

There is no question Marshall has issues. However, it is a profound leap to take this incident as an opportunity to suggest that Marshall had 'more to do' with the murder of Darrent Williams.

rbackfactory80
03-25-2008, 11:02 AM
Routine pull over in clearwater Florida:

Serial Killer: Good evening officer
FB: How are you 2nite
Serial Killer: Great,why am I being pulled over?
FB: I saw what looked like an arm hanging out of your trunk
Serial Killer: Thats just a mannequin
FB: Oh ok have a great night. Drive safely.

vancejohnson82
03-25-2008, 11:03 AM
I'm going out on a limb and saying that it is an April Fool's joke

you heard it here first

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 11:05 AM
I'm going out on a limb and saying that HE is an April Fool's joke

you heard it here first

Fixed it for ya!:wiggle:

Bronco Jamus
03-25-2008, 11:32 AM
There is no question Marshall has issues. However, it is a profound leap to take this incident as an opportunity to suggest that Marshall had 'more to do' with the murder of Darrent Williams.


I agree.

And to add to it:

It doesn't matter what Marshall had to do with it. It never gives anyone the right to gun down a limo full of people. I just don't get people sometimes.

RaiderH8r
03-25-2008, 11:36 AM
He was wrasslin around the house? Is that all he was doing? What the hell is the freakout about? I don't know about the fellas on this board but MOST boys and young men rough house and wrestle and sh!t. Sometimes sh!t happens and a lamp gets broken or you put your hand through the glass table top or some such crap. Mom always hated it when my dad, my brother, and I would do rough it up but that's what males do. BFD, he horsed around and sh!t happens. It's a bummer yeah but, at this point, it doesn't appear to be an act of malice, stupidity, illegality, or drug use. It's just boys being boys.

BroncoInferno
03-25-2008, 11:42 AM
He was wrasslin around the house? Is that all he was doing? What the hell is the freakout about? I don't know about the fellas on this board but MOST boys and young men rough house and wrestle and sh!t. Sometimes sh!t happens and a lamp gets broken or you put your hand through the glass table top or some such crap. Mom always hated it when my dad, my brother, and I would do rough it up but that's what males do. BFD, he horsed around and sh!t happens. It's a bummer yeah but, at this point, it doesn't appear to be an act of malice, stupidity, illegality, or drug use. It's just boys being boys.

Yep. I understand what Med is saying about multiple incidences, but horseplay with your buddies does not seem to carry any particularly sinister connotations. The result is certainly regrettable, but it happens. I just hope the lingering effects of the injury do not hurt his effectiveness too much this season (or his career, for that matter).

Phantom
03-25-2008, 11:43 AM
The sky is falling...the sky is falling! Oh my. What should we do? Cut him...reduce his pay...put him over our knee and spank him? The guy is 23 and was goofing off when an accident happened. He spent months in Atlanta getting faster, stronger and better with Jay and Scheff. It's not like he was at home playing PS3 on his couch this whole offseason. Did anyone see the Chad Johnson interview and hear how much Chad has done this offseason? He hasn't worked out a single minute. At least Brandon can still run and be conditioned.

In October when Marshall is owning Deangelo Hall in the black hole, everyone won't even think about this incident. You'll just be glad he plays for Denver.

Some people on this board are such drama queens it drives me nuts.

Thank you sir. Could not have said it better. Sounds like Brandon's got a life. A few people around here need to get one.

Northman
03-25-2008, 11:46 AM
Why do H and I get all the grief...we're not the only ones thinking that way.

Because your easy targets? ;D :rofl:

Northman
03-25-2008, 11:48 AM
Personally I couldn't care less how he injured his arm or whether he lied about it or not. I'm more worried about his long-term health and any effect this may have on his availability or production in the immediate future.

Bingo.

Hotrod
03-25-2008, 11:48 AM
****

RaiderH8r
03-25-2008, 11:50 AM
****

That's the most succinct and sensible comment I've yet seen on the matter. Rep to you good sir.

vancejohnson82
03-25-2008, 12:14 PM
He was wrasslin around the house? Is that all he was doing? What the hell is the freakout about? I don't know about the fellas on this board but MOST boys and young men rough house and wrestle and sh!t. Sometimes sh!t happens and a lamp gets broken or you put your hand through the glass table top or some such crap. Mom always hated it when my dad, my brother, and I would do rough it up but that's what males do. BFD, he horsed around and sh!t happens. It's a bummer yeah but, at this point, it doesn't appear to be an act of malice, stupidity, illegality, or drug use. It's just boys being boys.


Definitely agreed and I am by no means one of these people freaking out about this....but

If you were to come in and tell your boss that you weren't able to make three months worth of "voluntary" sales meetings because you were wrestling around with your friends and stuck your arm through a TV, wouldn't he have the right to be a little more inquisitive and suspicious about exactly who it was he hired?

granted, Marshall is young and living the life and i woudl be more worried if he was reserved and menacingly quiet....but i think the TEAM has a right to maybe give him a talking to behind closed doors about what it is he should be careful about in his free time...heck, even the jet skis are dangerous and could pose a career threatening injury if used incorrectly or irresponsibly

but the fans have no right to tell him how to spend his free time....if you don't like it, dont buy tickets, dont buy jerseys, dont watch the games and make your point that way

Hogan11
03-25-2008, 12:23 PM
granted, Marshall is young and living the life and i woudl be more worried if he was reserved and menacingly quiet..

I wouldn't, that's for sure.

He's gonna "live the life" right out of town if he doesn't change his moronic ways and soon...mark my words. Shanahan has ditched players before for less.

RaiderH8r
03-25-2008, 12:26 PM
Definitely agreed and I am by no means one of these people freaking out about this....but

If you were to come in and tell your boss that you weren't able to make three months worth of "voluntary" sales meetings because you were wrestling around with your friends and stuck your arm through a TV, wouldn't he have the right to be a little more inquisitive and suspicious about exactly who it was he hired?

granted, Marshall is young and living the life and i woudl be more worried if he was reserved and menacingly quiet....but i think the TEAM has a right to maybe give him a talking to behind closed doors about what it is he should be careful about in his free time...heck, even the jet skis are dangerous and could pose a career threatening injury if used incorrectly or irresponsibly

but the fans have no right to tell him how to spend his free time....if you don't like it, dont buy tickets, dont buy jerseys, dont watch the games and make your point that way

I guess that would depend on the employer. Personally the employer can be as inquisitive as he wants but the bottom line is that sometimes in life sh!t happens. If I got in a car accident, or was hit by a bus, or slipped on a patch of ice and busted a leg the employer would have no more right to terminate me based on those accidents than he would if I were wrestling with my son and had a lamp fall on my head. Yeah, we might have gotten a bit out of control but any human with a iota of common sense would know that this was just a bit of fun and games that resulted in an accident. No different than if I were playing a round of golf, stepped in a gopher hole, and busted an ankle.

RaiderH8r
03-25-2008, 12:28 PM
I wouldn't, that's for sure.

He's gonna "live the life" right out of town if he doesn't change his moronic ways and soon...mark my words. Shanahan has ditched players before for less.

Shannahan has been living in a creative bubble ever since Kubes left. It almost seemed like Kubes was the one person who could reel Shanny in when he got a little off kilter. Now it seems he's surrounding himself with sycophants and "yes men". I'm not on board with the fire Shanny crowd but I certainly think this little turn of events is potentially problematic.

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 12:31 PM
I guess that would depend on the employer. Personally the employer can be as inquisitive as he wants but the bottom line is that sometimes in life sh!t happens. If I got in a car accident, or was hit by a bus, or slipped on a patch of ice and busted a leg the employer would have no more right to terminate me based on those accidents than he would if I were wrestling with my son and had a lamp fall on my head. Yeah, we might have gotten a bit out of control but any human with a iota of common sense would know that this was just a bit of fun and games that resulted in an accident. No different than if I were playing a round of golf, stepped in a gopher hole, and busted an ankle.


He wouldn't however have to pay your salary if you were being stupid and could'nt work as a result of your boneheaded extracurricular activities.

RaiderH8r
03-25-2008, 12:41 PM
He wouldn't however have to pay your salary if you were being stupid and could'nt work as a result of your boneheaded extracurricular activities.

He doesn't have to but should he choose to I certainly would be grateful and less likely to take a walk. For example, my employer was legally bound to allow me paternity leave, he was not legally bound to pay me for that time. The fact my employer chose to spoke volumes to me about my value to the outfit and I've remained grateful for that gesture.

Understanding it's a different world in the NFL my underlying point is that while it is tempting, likely preferable, to encapsulate these guys in a bubble until it is football time it's just not practical. So accepting that they won't be bubble boys means that they will be exposed to life and all the sh!t that can happen therein. Sometimes it's avoidable, sometimes it's their fault, and sometimes sh!t just happens.

And I think we differ on our definition of boneheaded activities. I don't think of wrestling around as a bone headed activity. Doing so in the living room may be ill advised but not bone headed. Riding a motorcycle without a helmet would be more of a boneheaded activity in my mind.

~Crash~
03-25-2008, 12:47 PM
we cut PJ for messing up his Knee on a ATV .... just saying that we have done this . I know we are not planning that we need this guy let's all hope for the best and that he did not lose feeling in his index finger and bird finger .......

vancejohnson82
03-25-2008, 12:56 PM
we cut PJ for messing up his Knee on a ATV .... just saying that we have done this . I no we are not planning that we need this guy let's all hope for the best and that he did not lose feeling in his index finger and bird finger .......


so I guess than the question is....what is considered boneheaded?

some might consider this over the line....I do not

what if he was involved in a barfight and was thrown through a window?
what if he broke into "Wally World" while it was closed and was injured on one of the unmanned roller coasters?

i guess it all comes down to what is considered boneheaded...i dont think wrestling around with a few friends at 24 years old is boneheaded but i would be wrestling guys in my entourage who were much smaller than me or too afraid to put up a fight out of fear of termination

RaiderH8r
03-25-2008, 01:03 PM
so I guess than the question is....what is considered boneheaded?

some might consider this over the line....I do not

what if he was involved in a barfight and was thrown through a window?
what if he broke into "Wally World" while it was closed and was injured on one of the unmanned roller coasters?

i guess it all comes down to what is considered boneheaded...i dont think wrestling around with a few friends at 24 years old is boneheaded but i would be wrestling guys in my entourage who were much smaller than me or too afraid to put up a fight out of fear of termination

This is why I wrestle small children and the handicapped.

Northman
03-25-2008, 01:59 PM
so I guess than the question is....what is considered boneheaded?

some might consider this over the line....I do not

what if he was involved in a barfight and was thrown through a window?
what if he broke into "Wally World" while it was closed and was injured on one of the unmanned roller coasters?

i guess it all comes down to what is considered boneheaded...i dont think wrestling around with a few friends at 24 years old is boneheaded but i would be wrestling guys in my entourage who were much smaller than me or too afraid to put up a fight out of fear of termination


Its not boneheaded but it is irresponsible on his part. Knowing the Broncos situation right now at WR he has got to take better care of himself physically. I know he didnt mean to get hurt and boys will be boys but when you are heavily relied upon when it comes to the team you have to watch your P's and Q's. As far as his termination, i dont see it but people have pointed out that Brandon has a knack of finding trouble in one way or another. And with Bowlen and Shanahan cleaning house of other problems i can see Brandon being on a short list. It all depends on how he rebounds from this injury and how he behaves down the road. But no, its not boneheaded.

Los Broncos
03-25-2008, 02:04 PM
I wouldn't, that's for sure.

He's gonna "live the life" right out of town if he doesn't change his moronic ways and soon...mark my words. Shanahan has ditched players before for less.

I was thinking about this, what kind of leash does Shanny have him on?

Would he be willing just to let Marshall go if he gets to media happy....

400HZ
03-25-2008, 02:11 PM
I was thinking about this, what kind of leash does Shanny have him on?

Would he be willing just to let Marshall go if he gets to media happy....

I'm sure Cutler would love lining up with Stokley, Colbert, Henry, and your offensive line.

If I was him, I'd sit the season out if Marshall goes anywhere.

rbackfactory80
03-25-2008, 02:19 PM
I was thinking about this, what kind of leash does Shanny have him on?

Would he be willing just to let Marshall go if he gets to media happy....

Portis was great here and they let him go, Marshall is not above the law. This team has to figure things out quick, from the outside things look pretty bad.

Bronco Jamus
03-25-2008, 02:21 PM
Well, I would bet good money that as long as Marshall can play, he'll be here.

bowtown
03-25-2008, 02:31 PM
Portis was great here and they let him go,

They didn't exactly let him go.

SureShot
03-25-2008, 02:31 PM
Personally I couldn't care less how he injured his arm or whether he lied about it or not. I'm more worried about his long-term health and any effect this may have on his availability or production in the immediate future.

My thoughts exactly. Without BMarsh we have **** for WRs.

24champ
03-25-2008, 02:45 PM
Just how many chances is that? ???

Why do H and I get all the grief...we're not the only ones thinking that way.

I don't know to be honest, how many chances he should get isn't up to the fans. It's up to Shanny, and clearly the fact Marshall had the BEST season for a second year wide receiver in Broncos history. I think his antics will subdue when Shanny talks to him about these incidents, but his flamboyant attitude will not.

You and Hogan get grief because of comments about Marshall that are out of bounds, for example insinuating that Marshall is the reason DW died. That kind of stuff is not needed on this board.

That being said, Marshall isn't going ANYWHERE. Everyone is freaking out about this arm situation, I'm pretty sure Marshall isn't worried about it, he was upbeat at Dove Valley yesterday. Probably because he knows he will recover from this and that he will have a great year. Of course after that he will get paid. No matter how much you guys hate him he is around for the long haul.

Just how the cookie crumbles.

rbackfactory80
03-25-2008, 02:53 PM
They didn't exactly let him go.

Thanks for clearing that up for me Bowtown.:thumbs:

Bob
03-25-2008, 02:58 PM
Can you say "the Claw, part II."

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 03:02 PM
You and Hogan get grief because of comments about Marshall that are out of bounds, for example insinuating that Marshall is the reason DW died. That kind of stuff is not needed on this board.



Just how the cookie crumbles.


So you don't think that he could have possibly allowed his mouth to escalate things the night of Darrents' murder?

Let's see.

1st an issue with his GF
2nd criticizing the fans.
3rd a DUI charge
4th an offseason injury with questionable "causes".

What's next?

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 03:05 PM
You and Hogan get grief because of comments about Marshall that are out of bounds, for example insinuating that Marshall is the reason DW died. That kind of stuff is not needed on this board.



Just how the cookie crumbles.


So you don't think that he could have possibly allowed his mouth to escalate things the night of Darrents' murder?

Let's see.

1st an issue with his GF
2nd criticizing the fans.
3rd a DUI charge
4th an offseason injury with questionable "causes".

What's next?

bowtown
03-25-2008, 03:12 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for me Bowtown.:thumbs:

No problem. But maybe next time you shouldn't go around comparing apples and oranges:

1. Portis was a running back in a running back factory. Based on your handle, you should know that. WR is not a position that we have ever had success simply plugging guys into.

2. Portis had a contract dispute and a loud mouth, not a behavior problem.

3. We received Champ Bailey and a 2nd round pick for Portis. I would do that trade for almost any player in a heartbeat, problem child or not.

Point is that there were a ton of other factors that went into Portis being traded. The two situations have almost nothing in common. So you comparing the two is a really bad analogy. Guess that's all I was trying to say.

vancejohnson82
03-25-2008, 03:21 PM
So you don't think that he could have possibly allowed his mouth to escalate things the night of Darrents' murder?

Let's see.

1st an issue with his GF
2nd criticizing the fans.
3rd a DUI charge
4th an offseason injury with questionable "causes".

What's next?


I've had issues with girlfriends before....never to the extreme that his situation came to, but at the same time some have come pretty close (yelling outside, etc...)

Our fans sometimes should be criticized...perhaps not by a 2nd year WR

I have a DUI charge

I've broken both my elbows and had to go to my job like that....it was a questionable cause

so then, if my friend gets shot and killed....i should be the blame?? seems to be a bit of a gap in thinking there


DON'T GET IT

24champ
03-25-2008, 03:22 PM
So you don't think that he could have possibly allowed his mouth to escalate things the night of Darrents' murder?


I said I do not believe Marshall was not the reason DW died as insinuated by other posters.

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 03:25 PM
I've had issues with girlfriends before....never to the extreme that his situation came to, but at the same time some have come pretty close (yelling outside, etc...)

Our fans sometimes should be criticized...perhaps not by a 2nd year WR

I have a DUI charge

I've broken both my elbows and had to go to my job like that....it was a questionable cause

so then, if my friend gets shot and killed....i should be the blame?? seems to be a bit of a gap in thinking there


DON'T GET IT


You sure don't get the difference between an avg joe and a public figure who gets elevated to "Star Status" faster than a $2 whore spreads her legs.
He's been a problem child and continues to show that trend.

I also don't believe anyone is "blaming" him for the murder, but a big mouth doesn't stop a problem from escalating.

Northman
03-25-2008, 03:28 PM
So you don't think that he could have possibly allowed his mouth to escalate things the night of Darrents' murder?

Let's see.

1st an issue with his GF
2nd criticizing the fans.
3rd a DUI charge
4th an offseason injury with questionable "causes".

What's next?


Is the possibility there? Sure, but there has NEVER been a mention of him instigating anything during that night to insinuate that. I have concerns with Marshall too but i think that comment is a cheap shot when there isnt even a glint of information to back up that kind of statement. I just think that kind of statement is reckless for anyone to make without anything to back it up. Marshall has his fair share of problems but that is just a stretch and a pretty tacky comment to make. In my opinion of course.

rbackfactory80
03-25-2008, 03:28 PM
No problem. But maybe next time you shouldn't go around comparing apples and oranges:

1. Portis was a running back in a running back factory. Based on your handle, you should know that. WR is not a position that we have ever had success simply plugging guys into.

2. Portis had a contract dispute and a loud mouth, not a behavior problem.

3. We received Champ Bailey and a 2nd round pick for Portis. I would do that trade for almost any player in a heartbeat, problem child or not.

Point is that there were a ton of other factors that went into Portis being traded. The two situations have almost nothing in common. So you comparing the two is a really bad analogy. Guess that's all I was trying to say.


Maybe you should learn to think a bit out of the box.

1.No one since TD left has had even close to the success Portis has had in Denver. He was special just like Marshall.

2. Don't kid yourself, if everything keeps going the way it has all that is left to arise is a contract issue seeing that B-marsh thinks he is already at Randy Moss's level, and makes probably 1/10 of Moss's money.

3.Obviously if we were to get rid of him it would be via trade, not just cut like Javon Walker. All I was saying is if the price was right no one is above the law. The cases are very similar.

bowtown
03-25-2008, 03:30 PM
You sure don't get the difference between an avg joe and a public figure who gets elevated to "Star Status" faster than a $2 whore spreads her legs.
He's been a problem child and continues to show that trend.

I also don't believe anyone is "blaming" him for the murder, but a big mouth doesn't stop a problem from escalating.

Speculating about football and FO moves that we really don't have any inside information about (as so oftern is the case here) is one thing. Speculating about someone's involvement in his friends death, without any proof or knowledge of the situation is something else entirely...

vancejohnson82
03-25-2008, 03:34 PM
You sure don't get the difference between an avg joe and a public figure who gets elevated to "Star Status" faster than a $2 whore spreads her legs.
He's been a problem child and continues to show that trend.

I also don't believe anyone is "blaming" him for the murder, but a big mouth doesn't stop a problem from escalating.


agreed....but i think the problem is these kids not realizing that there is the difference between running your mouth as regular joe and then running your mouth as an NFL star getting into a limo

tons of these guys act the fool when they are 24-27 and then tend to calm down as they realize the impications of their actions and the spotlight that comes with their words and actions....I doubt he ever thought the issue with his girl would even make the papers....i doubt he thought the fans would even pay notice to his complaint

give the kid some time to adjust and grow up.....

i just thought the DWill thing was a bit harsh and making that connection poses a dangerous line of thinking

24champ
03-25-2008, 03:34 PM
I also don't believe anyone is "blaming" him for the murder, but a big mouth doesn't stop a problem from escalating.

You're still insinuating that Marshall was the problem in the event of Darrent's murder. I don't believe that is the case.


To be honest I think this incident/topic is out of bounds.

Houshyamama
03-25-2008, 03:48 PM
Whenever a major player gets hurt and is going to miss a lot of time its not an overreaction.

I hear you, but I'm calling it right now. Marshall will not even miss a preseason game. Let's not blow this out of proportion. Accidents happen, give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Some of you guys are so fickle it makes me laugh.

Northman
03-25-2008, 04:05 PM
I hear you, but I'm calling it right now. Marshall will not even miss a preseason game. Let's not blow this out of proportion. Accidents happen, give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Some of you guys are so fickle it makes me laugh.


Lets hope so. I just have a little concern that if it wasnt a severe problem than why lie about it? But hopefully he will be ready but i dont think its a problem for people to be concerned with a injury to one of our best players. Because if by some chance the injury does linger it changes our drafting a bit. But, here's to hoping that it heals quickly. :thumbsup:

DukeWoody
03-25-2008, 04:09 PM
I hear you, but I'm calling it right now. Marshall will not even miss a preseason game. Let's not blow this out of proportion. Accidents happen, give the guy the benefit of the doubt. Some of you guys are so fickle it makes me laugh.

I have to call you on this one cause i'm willing to bet the house B-Marsh misses at least one preseason game......the 4th PS game he will not play..:~ohyah!:

Bronco Jamus
03-25-2008, 04:27 PM
Is the possibility there? Sure, but there has NEVER been a mention of him instigating anything during that night to insinuate that. I have concerns with Marshall too but i think that comment is a cheap shot when there isnt even a glint of information to back up that kind of statement. I just think that kind of statement is reckless for anyone to make without anything to back it up. Marshall has his fair share of problems but that is just a stretch and a pretty tacky comment to make. In my opinion of course.

It is tacky at best. Marshall didn't shoot the limo.

RaiderH8r
03-25-2008, 04:35 PM
Marshall may be problematic but this latest accident certainly doesn't earn him a gig on his sheet, at least it shouldn't. Seriously, have any men on this board ever rough housed with their buddies? Anybody? I can't be the only one. It seems that a little perspective and life experience should lend a bit more insight than is currently being demonstrated. Has he earned the benefit of the doubt? Probably not given his record. Has he earned the benefit of overreaction and derision? I don't think so but many on this board appear to disagree with me. I said it before and I'll say it again, these players don't live in bubbles.

rbackfactory80
03-25-2008, 04:43 PM
Marshall may be problematic but this latest accident certainly doesn't earn him a gig on his sheet, at least it shouldn't. Seriously, have any men on this board ever rough housed with their buddies? Anybody? I can't be the only one. It seems that a little perspective and life experience should lend a bit more insight than is currently being demonstrated. Has he earned the benefit of the doubt? Probably not given his record. Has he earned the benefit of overreaction and derision? I don't think so but many on this board appear to disagree with me. I said it before and I'll say it again, these players don't live in bubbles.

This is all well and good as long as you know this is the true reason for what happened. I don't know what makes you so sure.

bowtown
03-25-2008, 04:50 PM
Maybe you should learn to think a bit out of the box. .

1.No one since TD left has had even close to the success Portis has had in Denver. He was special just like Marshall.

He was not special in the way that a Denver WR draft pick that pans out is special... that happens once every 50 years. We made do without Portis. We would be screwed without Marshall.


2. Don't kid yourself, if everything keeps going the way it has all that is left to arise is a contract issue seeing that B-marsh thinks he is already at Randy Moss's level, and makes probably 1/10 of Moss's money.

Right, but that hasn't happened. You are trying to compare the situations now. We have no idea whether he will be a problem when it comes to contract. He hasn't made a peep about it yet. You couldn't say the same for Javon Walker going into his 3rd season.


3.Obviously if we were to get rid of him it would be via trade, not just cut like Javon Walker. All I was saying is if the price was right no one is above the law. The cases are very similar.

Why do you keep syaing no one is above the law? Who's law, Mike Shanahan's law or the actual law? If the price is right no one is above being traded... whether they are a problem or not. The rest of it has to be taken on a case by case basis.

Meck77
03-25-2008, 05:29 PM
This is all well and good as long as you know this is the true reason for what happened. .

Regardless of what caused the situation the result is the same. It appears our team will start the season with one arm tied behind it's back.

RaiderH8r
03-25-2008, 05:36 PM
This is all well and good as long as you know this is the true reason for what happened. I don't know what makes you so sure.

I reserve the right to revise and redraft my position as available facts warrant. Right now that's all I've got to go on and until it is shown otherwise that's the story I'm sticking to. If it turns out he was playing with a live wire in the bathtub while sticking a coat hanger in a wall socket and the charge tossed him across his water soaked floor into the chandelier he had laying in the hallway next to the infant's crib teetering precariously atop the stairwell and as he and the infant tumbled down the stairs into the full length mirror hanging on the wall near the landing and in the deluge of glass that poured down upon him and the now dead infant he cut his arm, causing the damage that we now read of I'll be the first to call him a bone head in need of a bus ticket out of town. Until then, he was wraslin' with buddies and accidents happen.

RaiderH8r
03-25-2008, 05:37 PM
Regardless of what caused the situation the result is the same. It appears our team will start the season with one arm tied behind it's back.

Between Marshall and "The Claw" we'd have two good hands.

LittleFloyd
03-25-2008, 05:43 PM
Marshall isn't the problem in D Will's murder, the problem is and always will be the clowns who shot up the car and didn't give a crap if they killed a human being.

Hogan11
03-25-2008, 05:46 PM
I think his antics will subdue when Shanny talks to him about these incidents, but his flamboyant attitude will not.

I doubt it, the guy is a bonehead...and flamboyant players never let the antics subside.....AND sooner or later, they always become problems to their teams, from T.O. right down to the Chad Johnsons.

People defend him to the hilt because they desire this type of player on the Broncos. I do not. He needs a major attitude adjustment in the worst way.

You and Hogan get grief because of comments about Marshall that are out of bounds, for example insinuating that Marshall is the reason DW died. That kind of stuff is not needed on this board.

Never, ever did I ever insinuate Marshall having anything to do with Darrent Williams death (a subject I've always stayed away from). Calling the guy and idiot (which he is) and being concerned about him going the flavor clown, showman route and becoming a problem (a valid concern) are the only things I've pretty much commented on. Neither of which are "out of bounds" by a long shot....If you have other evidence, I'd sure like to see it.

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 05:54 PM
"Real Sports" said another Broncos receiver, Brandon Marshall, and his cousin were partying with Williams' group that night and began spraying champagne around, "some of which hit a club patron and his friend, who confronted Williams and his entourage."

Those men flashed gang signs and were escorted out of the club, said members of a rap group from Williams' hometown of Fort Worth, Texas, who were with him that night.

Walker said he didn't see the encounter inside the club but saw trouble brewing when he left the club at closing time. Marshall and his cousin were exchanging heated words with two men, he said. The rappers said it was the same men who had been kicked out of the club earlier that night.


You make your own judgement!

NW Bolt Fan
03-25-2008, 05:54 PM
It is tacky at best. Marshall didn't shoot the limo.Bush has probably never fired a weapon at an Iraqi... See the parallel? Marshall's name was mentioned in connection with the night. So was Walker's. But the voice in the article didn't compare the two, it contrasted them.

rbackfactory80
03-25-2008, 06:03 PM
He was not special in the way that a Denver WR draft pick that pans out is special... that happens once every 50 years. We made do without Portis. We would be screwed without Marshall.

Thats because we were built to run more then, now we are building more to pass. Of course balance is always important. Portis was special even with our system.

Right, but that hasn't happened. You are trying to compare the situations now. We have no idea whether he will be a problem when it comes to contract. He hasn't made a peep about it yet. You couldn't say the same for Javon Walker going into his 3rd season.

Portis played two years before he got a little anxious. When putting up the numbers he is you would be naive to think he will play out his forth round contract.




Why do you keep syaing no one is above the law? Who's law, Mike Shanahan's law or the actual law? If the price is right no one is above being traded... whether they are a problem or not. The rest of it has to be taken on a case by case basis.

Mike Shanahans law obviously. I can guarantee Shanahan like many Broncos fans are upset with the habitual distractions.

Hogan11
03-25-2008, 06:06 PM
Mike Shanahans law obviously. I can guarantee Shanahan like many Broncos fans are upset with the habitual distractions.

..and you don't "cross the boss" and stay in a Broncos uniform for very long.

No one ever has, no matter how talented they may have been.

Northman
03-25-2008, 06:13 PM
"Real Sports" said another Broncos receiver, Brandon Marshall, and his cousin were partying with Williams' group that night and began spraying champagne around, "some of which hit a club patron and his friend, who confronted Williams and his entourage."

Those men flashed gang signs and were escorted out of the club, said members of a rap group from Williams' hometown of Fort Worth, Texas, who were with him that night.

Walker said he didn't see the encounter inside the club but saw trouble brewing when he left the club at closing time. Marshall and his cousin were exchanging heated words with two men, he said. The rappers said it was the same men who had been kicked out of the club earlier that night.


You make your own judgement!


I see, so Brandon celebrating on New Years Eve is a problem? Its pretty sad when someone will defend gang members who shoot up a car because they got some alcohol sprayed on them during a celebration. WOW.

Los Broncos
03-25-2008, 06:45 PM
Portis was great here and they let him go, Marshall is not above the law. This team has to figure things out quick, from the outside things look pretty bad.

I just wanted to know what others thought.

I wouldn't cry if they let him go....

Houshyamama
03-25-2008, 06:46 PM
I have to call you on this one cause i'm willing to bet the house B-Marsh misses at least one preseason game......the 4th PS game he will not play..:~ohyah!:

cheeky thwack

bayarealightning
03-25-2008, 06:47 PM
http://www.davidlnelson.md/Tendon_laceration.htm

The results after surgery depend on many factors: the location and nature of your injury, the delay between injury and first seeing a doctor, the difficulty of the repair and the skill of the surgeon, and (very importantly) how well you cooperate with post-operative hand therapy. The incisions usually heal without much problem. You will experience some stiffness in your finger, but it will improve over a period of two years, and you can dramatically decreate the stiffness by working on range of motion exercises that will be given to you by the hand therapist. You will almost certainly have use of your hand, and probably you have a very good chance of nearly normal use of your hand. The results depend on many variables. I will discuss your particular case with you at the time of the first visit, after the surgery, and as you progress through your rehabilitation.


---------

It's difficult to find a prognosis of B-Marsh, without the knowledge of the location of the injury. If it's the Flexor or extensor tendons he cut. But from everything I have read on the tendons and treatment of injuries, it's looking like he will have some loss of strength and range of motion in his right hand this going year.

The guy is a workout freak and if he follow's his treatment schedule he could be 90% of what he was by 2009. I know that sucks for 2008, but it could have been worse, cutting the artery could have killed him.
I guess no one wants to respond to this post? That is not even taking consideration that there was also nerve damage. No one will know for sure until he starts his rehabilitation exactly where he will be. However, those who think that this is no big deal are kidding themselves. The nerves are what sends the electrical impulses to the tendons and muscles to contract or expand. Interrupt that signal and you have seriouse problems. This is not a small problem.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 06:49 PM
So you don't think that he could have possibly allowed his mouth to escalate things the night of Darrents' murder?

Let's see.

1st an issue with his GF
2nd criticizing the fans.
3rd a DUI charge
4th an offseason injury with questionable "causes".

What's next?

Let's see...I can go out on a limb here? What about Dr. B who suggested that it might be a knive wound? I was only elaborating on that...it's my OPINION nothing more...and SPECULATION! Like that's NEVER happened on this board.

Thanks TGN!

Guys...I am not in anyway trying to say that Marshall isn't talented or won't even SOMEDAY be an elite WR...but he has to stop being an idiot and growup now before it gets him in serious trouble and/or kicked off this team.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 06:55 PM
Originally Posted by 24champbailey

You and Hogan get grief because of comments about Marshall that are out of bounds, for example insinuating that Marshall is the reason DW died. That kind of stuff is not needed on this board.



Just how the cookie crumbles.

Not one of us were there...we don't know and maybe won't ever know the circumstances surrounding the tragedy of Darrent's death...but there has been people/media that have also brought up that Marshall was there and had words with the people that may be involved.

So how is my comment out of bounds? I never BLAMED anyone for Darrent's death...but from what I've heard/read isn't it possible that it could have had some bearing on it?

Oh yeah and wasn't it you that got banned for wishing that Bailey was dead?
Drunk or not...

24champ
03-25-2008, 06:58 PM
Never, ever did I ever insinuate Marshall having anything to do with Darrent Williams death (a subject I've always stayed away from). Calling the guy and idiot (which he is) and being concerned about him going the flavor clown, showman route and becoming a problem (a valid concern) are the only things I've pretty much commented on. Neither of which are "out of bounds" by a long shot....If you have other evidence, I'd sure like to see it.

...and never did I say you did insinuate that Marshall was at fault the night of Dwill being murdered. As far as Marshall going Flava clown, that's your opinion.

bowtown
03-25-2008, 07:00 PM
[B]Originally Posted by 24champbailey

Not one of us were there...we don't know and maybe won't ever know the circumstances surrounding the tragedy of Darrent's death...but there has been people/media that have also brought up that Marshall was there and had words with the people that may be involved.


Exactly, none of us were there and we don't know. We are also not media, who's job it is to sensationalize stuff like this and make speculations that could be very hurtful if not true, just to sell newspapers. It's a free country, we are all entitled to our thoughts and opinions, I guess where I come down though, is that I would rather speculate on the side of someone being innocent until proven guilty when guessing about them being a reason for their friend being killed.

24champ
03-25-2008, 07:06 PM
Not one of us were there...we don't know and maybe won't ever know the circumstances surrounding the tragedy of Darrent's death...


Then why bring it up in a Marshall thread? Hmm?

Look I understand Dr. Broncostein bringing up the knife theory and that is fine, he is an EXPERT in that field. However you aren't an expert in Homicide and what you said had no bearing on the thread.

So how is my comment out of bounds? I never BLAMED anyone for Darrent's death...but from what I've heard/read isn't it possible that it could have had some bearing on it?

Your comment was out of bounds because that is a garbage comment NOT backed up by any facts whatsoever. It was poor speculation on your part. Even you know that you couldn't back it up when FLBronco asked you for proof.



Oh yeah and wasn't it you that got banned for wishing that Bailey was dead?
Drunk or not...


Once again you throw out speculation with no proof. That sure as hell wasn't me wishing that kinds of *** on my favorite player. I'm starting to lose my patience with you Sassy.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:09 PM
Fine whatever...seems I can't have an OPINION or just a THOUGHT on this flipping board...Weren't you the one calling for a death wish on Bailey...and you're saying that my THOUGHTS are wrong...so I said them out loud...big deal and I didn't blame Darrent's death on Marshall...that's idiotic!

Lose your patience. I don't care...put me on ignore. It doesn't hurt my feelings one bit.

I apologize if that wasn't you that wrote that about Bailey...but SOMEONE got banned for it...and they also had Bailey in their username.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:11 PM
Your comment was out of bounds because that is a garbage comment NOT backed up by any facts whatsoever. It was poor speculation on your part. Even you know that you couldn't back it up when FLBronco asked you for proof.

Never said it was FACT...read my post...it was a THOUGHT that's all. :You're blowing it up bigger than I ever meant it to be.

24champ
03-25-2008, 07:12 PM
.Weren't you the one calling for a death wish on Bailey.

For the last time, NO that was NOT me. There's no proof whatsoever that I said that. Baseless speculation as usual from you Sassy.

cutthemdown
03-25-2008, 07:17 PM
It sounds implausible to me that he put his hand through a tv screen. He should have made a better lie. Either that are it's one of those cases where the truth is so wierd it seems like a lie. None of us can say for sure but I lean towards the there is more to this story side. Like I said though the Broncos better be very carefull when Brandons contract time comes up. He may be a really risky investment. The problem is when your team has only 3-4 good players on it you can't afford to risk losing your best offensive weapon.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:17 PM
As usual??? What did I ever do?
Besides...I apologized...read my post.

24champ
03-25-2008, 07:18 PM
I see, so Brandon celebrating on New Years Eve is a problem? Its pretty sad when someone will defend gang members who shoot up a car because they got some alcohol sprayed on them during a celebration. WOW.

Sad indeed, Anubis.

Meck77
03-25-2008, 07:21 PM
I guess no one wants to respond to this post? That is not even taking consideration that there was also nerve damage.

Nerve damage can take years to recover from. In my case I stepped on a small piece of glass that cut the side of my foot. I lost the sense of feeling in one toe completely for many months and a few other toes were partially numb. I'd say it took more than 3 years to feel normal again. If he has nerve damage in his hand that is going to be tough to recover from IMO.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:22 PM
I'm thinking that what I said is being taken way out of context...I am not blaming Brandon for Darrent's death...is that clear enough? Why the hell would I do that?

Los Broncos
03-25-2008, 07:22 PM
It sounds implausible to me that he put his hand through a tv screen. He should have made a better lie. Either that are it's one of those cases where the truth is so wierd it seems like a lie. None of us can say for sure but I lean towards the there is more to this story side. Like I said though the Broncos better be very carefull when Brandons contract time comes up. He may be a really risky investment. The problem is when your team has only 3-4 good players on it you can't afford to risk losing your best offensive weapon.

Here comes Shanny with the lie detector!

SureShot
03-25-2008, 07:25 PM
If he put his hand through a tv wouldn't most the damage be done to the hand?

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 07:25 PM
Sad indeed, Anubis.



You and Anubis need to pull your heads out of your asses. I did in no way defend the actions of the murderer(s). I did however post a portion of an article which states theat Mr Mouth was runnning his mouth the night of the incident. I posted this to back up my claim that people who run their mouths generally escalate bad situations.

Sorry to expect you to understand something so simple.

rbackfactory80
03-25-2008, 07:28 PM
I think two separate hotels are necessary for the omane. One for all the dudes that tow the company line ignoring the facts, and another for the people who can let facts influence their decisions. I think the latter hotel would have many vacancies next to my room.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:33 PM
Interesting...since according to a few I might fall into both categories :devil:

Northman
03-25-2008, 07:34 PM
You and Anubis need to pull your heads out of your asses. I did in no way defend the actions of the murderer(s). I did however post a portion of an article which states theat Mr Mouth was runnning his mouth the night of the incident. I posted this to back up my claim that people who run their mouths generally escalate bad situations.

Sorry to expect you to understand something so simple.


He was running his mouth because some gang bangers were initiating a confrontation with him (shocker there) over some champagn that may have landed on them during a NEW YEAR'S EVE celebration. But you were also using this to claim that this lead to Darrent's death which is no way proof of that. For all we know Javon or Darrent could of mouthed off to somebody in that club. I mean, its not like Javon is a choirboy when it comes to mouthing off either. Oh wait..... that would be reckless of me to assume such things without anything to back it up now wouldnt it? Sound familiar?

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:34 PM
You and Anubis need to pull your heads out of your asses. I did in no way defend the actions of the murderer(s). I did however post a portion of an article which states theat Mr Mouth was runnning his mouth the night of the incident. I posted this to back up my claim that people who run their mouths generally escalate bad situations.

Sorry to expect you to understand something so simple.

Maybe you should post the definition of "generally" for them...

I'll post the meaning of speculation and thought...

Northman
03-25-2008, 07:35 PM
I'm thinking that what I said is being taken way out of context...I am not blaming Brandon for Darrent's death...is that clear enough? Why the hell would I do that?

Well, feel free to clear up you statement. This is your original quote.

Yikes! Let's just say he had maybe more to do with Darrent Williams Murder than previously thought? Sorry...that just got me thinking...

Im not sure what else you could take from a statement like that. But feel free to clarify it.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:37 PM
He was running his mouth because some gang bangers were initiating a confrontation with him (shocker there) over some champagn that may have landed on them during a NEW YEAR'S EVE celebration. But you were also using this to claim that this lead to Darrent's death which is no way proof of that. For all we know Javon or Darrent could of mouthed off to somebody in that club. I mean, its not like Javon is a choirboy when it comes to mouthing off either. Oh wait..... that would be reckless of me to assume such things without anything to back it up now wouldnt it? Sound familiar?

But aren't some of you assuming he's innocent just as much as you ASSUME that we think he isn't???

Stupidity...

24champ
03-25-2008, 07:38 PM
He was running his mouth because some gang bangers were initiating a confrontation with him (shocker there) over some champagn that may have landed on them during a NEW YEAR'S EVE celebration. But you were also using this to claim that this lead to Darrent's death which is no way proof of that. For all we know Javon or Darrent could of mouthed off to somebody in that club. I mean, its not like Javon is a choirboy when it comes to mouthing off either. Oh wait..... that would be reckless of me to assume such things without anything to back it up now wouldnt it? Sound familiar?

Yeah...weren't you the one that said you wanted Bailey Dead? ROFL!

Just speculation on my part...

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:39 PM
Well, feel free to clear up you statement. This is your original quote.



Im not sure what else you could take from a statement like that. But feel free to clarify it.

Plain and simple...it was a thought...
that's all.

When Dr. B talked about knive wounds...I was thinking out loud. WHAT IF...and just a WHAT IF...someone from that gang came after Brandon...that actually was what I was thinking...you just assumed that I was thinking it was his fault that Darrent was shot...not at all.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:40 PM
Yeah...weren't you the one that said you wanted Bailey Dead? ROFL!

Just speculation on my part...

I apologized...what more do you want.
I think I had you mixed up with champbailey24.

Northman
03-25-2008, 07:42 PM
But aren't some of you assuming he's innocent just as much as you ASSUME that we think he isn't???

Stupidity...


I go by what facts are presented to me. You have nothing to back up your claim that he was involved. Its no secret that you dont like Marshall by the many posts you take part in to slam him. Its your right to not like him and you even have the right to make the comment you did. All im saying is that its irresponsible and a cheapshot to try and tie him to Darrent's murder without something to back it up.

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 07:44 PM
Well, feel free to clear up you statement. This is your original quote.



Im not sure what else you could take from a statement like that. But feel free to clarify it.


...and? I also believe anyone who was in that club that evening and was involved in in the arguments/ altercations involving the two groups had "SOMETHING TO DO" with Darrent murder.
What part of continuing an argument/ involving yourself in an argument do you think does not affect the eventual outcome. Are you so gullible to think that after words are exchanged, especially when alcohol may be a "major player" (who knows what else), that things will just "go away". People get killed for saying stupid **** to stupid people. No one even knows if Darrent was the "target". It could have been Mouthman!

Florida_Bronco
03-25-2008, 07:46 PM
You and Anubis need to pull your heads out of your asses. I did in no way defend the actions of the murderer(s). I did however post a portion of an article which states theat Mr Mouth was runnning his mouth the night of the incident. I posted this to back up my claim that people who run their mouths generally escalate bad situations.

Sorry to expect you to understand something so simple.

And that means what exactly, when you get right down to it?

Lets turn the tables around on this a bit....

You are pretty much the definition of a loose cannon poster and definetly try to stir the pot sometimes. So let's say I take offense to your "attitude" and drive next to your car and unload a gun into the side...except instead of hitting you I hit and kill your young son or daughter.

Are you responsible for your child's death?

Northman
03-25-2008, 07:46 PM
Plain and simple...it was a thought...
that's all.

When Dr. B talked about knive wounds...I was thinking out loud. WHAT IF...and just a WHAT IF...someone from that gang came after Brandon...that actually was what I was thinking...you just assumed that I was thinking it was his fault that Darrent was shot...not at all.


So, if you dont think that Brandon had ANYTHING to do with Darrent's death than why even bring it up in the first place? Your contradicting yourself here. On one hand you say that you dont think he had anything to do with it but then you go on to say that he may have pissed off a gang member that resulted in the death of Darrent. So which is it exactly?

cutthemdown
03-25-2008, 07:47 PM
Interesting...since according to a few I might fall into both categories :devil:

I totally understand what you are saying. I thought same thing but didn't want to type it because people on this board get all huffy over anything to do with Darrent. It is possible someone in that group talked to much that night. Only a total idiot argues or jaws with gang members. Still no one in the group is to blame it's just that Brandon seems stupid enough and arrogant enough to have done it.

I just think being a pro athlete is a tough job now. You have to be more straight laced to make it. We can all party and smoke dope, snow ski, water ski, go out and get crazy. No one cares what we do.

You get injured or in trouble as a pro athlete and fans are pissed, owners want money back etc. It only takes a few bad mistakes to ruin a couple seasons. You ruin a couple seasons and it may be the end of your career.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:47 PM
I go by what facts are presented to me. You have nothing to back up your claim that he was involved. Its no secret that you dont like Marshall by the many posts you take part in to slam him. Its your right to not like him and you even have the right to make the comment you did. All im saying is that its irresponsible and a cheapshot to try and tie him to Darrent's murder without something to back it up.

I am not getting into the like/dislike Marshall...It's his BEHAVIOR I don't like...how can I NOT like Marshall when I don't even know the guy???

I said that it was a thought...Why do I need to back up a thought? Or an opinon??? I don't need facts for those...Read TGN's post...and the FACT that NONE OF US WERE THERE...so not one of us can say what happened...EITHER WAY....

Northman
03-25-2008, 07:49 PM
And that means what exactly, when you get right down to it?

Lets turn the tables around on this a bit....

You are pretty much the definition of a loose cannon poster and definetly try to stir the pot sometimes. So let's say I take offense to your "attitude" and drive next to your car and unload a gun into the side...except instead of hitting you I hit and kill your young son or daughter.

Are you responsible for your child's death?


According to his logic yes. But even with all that there is no proof that Darrent's death was a result of Brandon's altercation in the club.

Northman
03-25-2008, 07:52 PM
I am not getting into the like/dislike Marshall...It's his BEHAVIOR I don't like...how can I NOT like Marshall when I don't even know the guy???

I said that it was a thought...Why do I need to back up a thought? Or an opinon??? I don't need facts for those...Read TGN's post...and the FACT that NONE OF US WERE THERE...so not one of us can say what happened...EITHER WAY....


So we agree that its your opinion. We also agree you have zero facts to back up that particular statement. And yes, none of us were there so in all reality Brandon is innocent UNTIL proven guilty which no one has provided here. So, end of discussion right?

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 07:52 PM
And that means what exactly, when you get right down to it?

Lets turn the tables around on this a bit....

You are pretty much the definition of a loose cannon poster and definetly try to stir the pot sometimes. So let's say I take offense to your "attitude" and drive next to your car and unload a gun into the side...except instead of hitting you I hit and kill your young son or daughter.

Are you responsible for your child's death?


Are you so damn ignorant that you can't understand the concept of someone escalating a minor argument to a point where it turns into a tragedy.

NO ONE IS SAYING BRANDON IS SOLELY RESPONSIBLE. What some of us are eluding to, is that his actions may have escalated the situation. Hell, he may have been the target.
Jump on that!

Sassy
03-25-2008, 07:58 PM
I totally understand what you are saying. I thought same thing but didn't want to type it because people on this board get all huffy over anything to do with Darrent. It is possible someone in that group talked to much that night. Only a total idiot argues or jaws with gang members. Still no one in the group is to blame it's just that Brandon seems stupid enough and arrogant enough to have done it.

I just think being a pro athlete is a tough job now. You have to be more straight laced to make it. We can all party and smoke dope, snow ski, water ski, go out and get crazy. No one cares what we do.

You get injured or in trouble as a pro athlete and fans are pissed, owners want money back etc. It only takes a few bad mistakes to ruin a couple seasons. You ruin a couple seasons and it may be the end of your career.

:thumbs:

It seems a lot of fans here have already put Brandon on a pedestal just because he shows the talent/promise of someday being an elite WR.
(Unless, through his behavior, he decides to throw that talent and his career away.)

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 08:00 PM
So we agree that its your opinion. We also agree you have zero facts to back up that particular statement. And yes, none of us were there so in all reality Brandon is innocent UNTIL proven guilty which no one has provided here. So, end of discussion right?

So this would have no impact?

Marshall and his cousin were exchanging heated words with two men, he said. The rappers said it was the same men who had been kicked out of the club earlier that night.

Please don't throw a temper tantrum on the OM floor. I know mommy always allowed you to have your way and the last word, but in real live others have their own opinions, and you cannot change them.

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 08:02 PM
:thumbs:

It seems a lot of fans here have already put Brandon on a pedestal just because he shows the talent/promise of someday being an elite WR.



I come from the "one aw****" erases "1000 attaboys" club!

So considering that, Brandon is currently at about negative 3.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 08:05 PM
So we agree that its your opinion. We also agree you have zero facts to back up that particular statement. And yes, none of us were there so in all reality Brandon is innocent UNTIL proven guilty which no one has provided here. So, end of discussion right?

One does not need facts to back up an opinion....do you need the definition of an opinion??? Seriously...

Sassy
03-25-2008, 08:06 PM
So we agree that its your opinion. We also agree you have zero facts to back up that particular statement. And yes, none of us were there so in all reality Brandon is innocent UNTIL proven guilty which no one has provided here. So, end of discussion right?

One does not need facts to back up an opinion....do you need the definition of an opinion??? Seriously...


Yes...Brandon is innocent...never said he wasn't!!! You are so taking things that I have said out of context that it isn't even funny.

Northman
03-25-2008, 08:07 PM
So this would have no impact?

Marshall and his cousin were exchanging heated words with two men, he said. The rappers said it was the same men who had been kicked out of the club earlier that night.

Please don't throw a temper tantrum on the OM floor. I know mommy always allowed you to have your way and the last word, but in real live others have their own opinions, and you cannot change them.


The bottom line is you dont know if it did or didnt Tailgate. If what you believe is true than Javon would have verified that Brandon was the cause of the shooting. But since he couldnt verify it its just speculation on your end. But it does not constitute as proof. All ive been saying is that its irresponsible on yours and Sassy's part to even imply that until the facts say otherwise. I know people get shot for far less but in this particular case we dont know if that is what went down so im not going to even imply that until ive heard otherwise.

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 08:08 PM
IMO Anubis and Champ have a manlove thing for BM!ROFL!
Hopefully his injury will not affect him this season, or we may need to forfeit all of our scheduled games.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 08:09 PM
So this would have no impact?

Marshall and his cousin were exchanging heated words with two men, he said. The rappers said it was the same men who had been kicked out of the club earlier that night.

Please don't throw a temper tantrum on the OM floor. I know mommy always allowed you to have your way and the last word, but in real live others have their own opinions, and you cannot change them.

This was FACT!

...and LOL! at TGN!!!

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 08:09 PM
The bottom line is you dont know if it did or didnt Tailgate. If what you believe is true than Javon would have verified that Brandon was the cause of the shooting. But since he couldnt verify it its just speculation on your end. But it does not constitute as proof. All ive been saying is that its irresponsible on yours and Sassy's part to even imply that until the facts say otherwise. I know people get shot for far less but in this particular case we dont know if that is what went down so im not going to even imply that until ive heard otherwise.



I can and will imply anything I wish based on conclusions and opinions. Grow up!

Sassy
03-25-2008, 08:11 PM
The bottom line is you dont know if it did or didnt Tailgate. If what you believe is true than Javon would have verified that Brandon was the cause of the shooting. But since he couldnt verify it its just speculation on your end. But it does not constitute as proof. All ive been saying is that its irresponsible on yours and Sassy's part to even imply that until the facts say otherwise. I know people get shot for far less but in this particular case we dont know if that is what went down so im not going to even imply that until ive heard otherwise.

Aren't you speculating...that Javon would verify that? LOL!...Come on now...why would Javon do that IF it were true? Would you throw your friend under a bus? Unless, Brandon held the gun and shot it at him...HE IS INNOCENT...however, we don't know that the argument... aka heated words did or did not have any impact on what the gunman/men did.

rbackfactory80
03-25-2008, 08:12 PM
None of you guys have any idea. It is all speculation. Is it possible Marshall escalated a situation that resulted in gun fire? Absolutely. Just because its something you guys don't want to believe, noone wants to believe, does not make it untrue. Of course it is possible, maybe even probable he had nothing to do with the actual murder. Some people grow up in different situations from all you rosey suburban guys and know the real world isn't 100 percent all the time glowing. Maybe in all reality this is just a pessimest/optomist argument but that is all it is, an argument. The only people that know are the people that were there.

Northman
03-25-2008, 08:13 PM
IMO Anubis and Champ have a manlove thing for BM!ROFL!
Hopefully his injury will not affect him this season, or we may need to forfeit all of our scheduled games.


IMO TN cant even have a civil discussion without resort to name calling. Surprise Surprise. ::)

And yes, i hope his injury wont affect the upcoming season.

Sassy
03-25-2008, 08:14 PM
The bottom line is you dont know if it did or didnt Tailgate. If what you believe is true than Javon would have verified that Brandon was the cause of the shooting. But since he couldnt verify it its just speculation on your end. But it does not constitute as proof. All ive been saying is that its irresponsible on yours and Sassy's part to even imply that until the facts say otherwise. I know people get shot for far less but in this particular case we dont know if that is what went down so im not going to even imply that until ive heard otherwise.


So then aren't you saying that it is "irresponsible" on your part to think that the conversation didn't have ANYTHING to do with what the gunmen / man did???

TailgateNut
03-25-2008, 08:17 PM
IMO TN cant even have a civil discussion without resort to name calling. Surprise Surprise. ::)

And yes, i hope his injury wont affect the upcoming season.

Civil discussion?

You think YOU can have an OPINION, but others cannot. Spoiled a bit?

Northman
03-25-2008, 08:18 PM
Aren't you speculating...that Javon would verify that? LOL!...Come on now...why would Javon do that IF it were true? Would you throw your friend under a bus? Unless, Brandon held the gun and shot it at him...HE IS INNOCENT...however, we don't know that the argument... aka heated words did or did not have any impact on what the gunman/men did.

Would he throw a friend under the bus? Didnt he do that when he said he should be the #1 WR in Denver? Isnt that throwing Brandon under the bus? And yes, he is innocent until proven otherwise. Im not speculating anything, nowhere have i read that Brandon's altercation led to the shooting of Darrent. I would think by now this kind of information would have come out. You said it yourself, we dont know if the argument led to the shooting so it would be silly to even speculate at this point. You only speculated Sass because you truly believe that he might have had something to do with it based upon his "mouthing off".