Raiders and Hall agree to 7 yr, 70 million dollar contract.

[goldengopher1976]

Hadn't seen this posted elsewhere, sorry if it's a duplicate.

The amount of money being spent by the Raiders is amazing.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7928546/Raiders-agree-with-Hall;-trade-to-come-soon

[theAPAOps5]

Okay they have to be over the cap or are thinking there won't be a cap in the future and are back loading the contracts. Its insane how much they are spending.

[Northman]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=66979

[goldengopher1976]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=66979

I knew there was a thread about the impending trade, what I wasn't sure about is whether or not there was a thread about the actual terms of the contract. The only mention of the contract is buried in that thread and doesn't have the latest numbers...

[Northman]

I knew there was a thread about the impending trade, what I wasn't sure about is whether or not there was a thread about the actual terms of the contract. The only mention of the contract is buried in that thread and doesn't have the latest numbers...

This is true but i think the mods would like it if people kept everything dealing with one particular subject in the same thread. Not just with this topic but with many others. But, i could be wrong so carry on. :thumbsup:

[Arkansas Bronco]

Dude has talent but a guy I would never want on my team. Mix him with Walkers selfish ass and this may be entertaining.

[goldengopher1976]

This is true but i think the mods would like it if people kept everything dealing with one particular subject in the same thread. Not just with this topic but with many others. But, i could be wrong so carry on. :thumbsup:

I hear ya, I just would sometimes rather have the info in a fresh thread rather than having to sift through a long thread...I'll abide by whatever the mods decide.

[CHANGSTER]

Dude has talent but a guy I would never want on my team. Mix him with Walkers selfish ass and this may be entertaining.

Let the slap fighting at practice commence

[Bronco Jamus]

He's a good corner, but he's not that good.

[400HZ]

$70 mil for an overrated cornerback, but Al won't pay $2 mil to move Kiffin out and find a new puppet with actual interest in the team? Sounds just like Al.

[rovolution]

$70 mil for an overrated cornerback, but Al won't pay $2 mil to move Kiffin out and find a new puppet with actual interest in the team? Sounds just like Al.

Whats even more stupid is that they had all that $$$ laying around and didnt reward players like Asmougha and Burgess who are the only reasons the Faide are even competative in games.


Asmougha should demand an Asante Samuel clause in his franchise tag deal that prevents him from being franchised if he plays a certain amount of snaps.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Still no lines...

[Atlas]

Champ is licking his lips!!

[silverwing]

Looks like Al doesn't have much time left...

[Punisher]

He's a good corner, but he's not that good.

He got beat for the long ball alot last year

[Florida_Bronco]

Found this over on CrapPlanet. Not anything that wasn't public knowledge, but it's all in one spot.

When the Oakland Raiders traded for Randy Moss three seasons ago, Chiefs fans everywhere panicked. The thought of Moss running wild through KC’s lackluster secondary and mooning the Arrowhead crowd after touchdowns was a frightening prospect.

The Chiefs themselves may have been a bit freaked out by The Freak’s AFC West invasion, and traded for cornerback Patrick Surtain a month after the Raiders acquired Moss.

That eased everyone’s fears for a few months, but then Moss abused Surtain in their first meeting that year, grabbing five passes for 127 yards and a touchdown. Oh, the horror!

Surtain injured a knee prior to KC’s second game against Oakland that season, meaning 33-year old corner Dewayne Washington drew a starting assignment. Scary? You bet.

But nothing ever came of it. Moss did beat Washington for a touchdown, but the seven-yard grab was his only catch of the day. As big of a mismatch as Moss vs Washington was, the pressure the Chiefs put on quarterback Kerry Collins that day negated any huge repercussions.

The lesson to be learned? High-priced NFL cornerbacks are overrated commodities, unless their name is Deion Sanders.

Terrell Owens toasts DeAngelo Hall for another touchdown.
Chris Graythen - Getty

The Chiefs vastly overpaid for Surtain and Ty Law, handing out over $20 million in signing bonuses and more in base salary over the last three years. In five combined seasons the pair produced only 13 interceptions.

Cornerback DeAngelo Hall, who recently agreed to sign a contract worth $70 million with Oakland, isn’t nearly as old as Surtain or Law, but he’ll be even more overpaid. The Raiders may regret trading for him (as they did with Moss) before his career in the AFC West is over.

Chiefs fans who were intimidated by Moss in silver and black should be equally afraid of Hall, but for different reasons. Now that he’s a Raider, there’s nothing to be scared of, however.

The thought of Hall in red and gold is terrifying. The Chiefs had an interest in the former Falcons cornerback as early as last season, before the trade deadline. The Falcons wanted a first-round pick, however, a price too steep for Kansas City.

There’s no way Hall was worth it. In Atlanta, he proved two things – he was as big of a problem child as the NFL has recently seen and his play at cornerback was more hype than substance.

We’ll start with DeAngelo Hall, the man. Here’s a short-list of his offenses as a me-first, team-second player:

1. In 2006, the Falcons hosted New Orleans in Week 12. Just before halftime, with the Saints ahead 14-6, quarterback Drew Brees launched a hail-mary attempt from midfield. Hall was in position to knock the pass down at the goal line, but instead, went for the interception. The ball went from Hall’s hands to Terrence Copper’s, who caught it for a 48-yard touchdown. Atlanta went on to lose the game (Hall was also beaten for a 76-yard touchdown early in the game).

DeAngelo Hall supports his local neighborhood felon.
Chris Graythen - Getty

2. The day Michael Vick received his prison sentence, the Falcons played on Monday Night Football. Apparently Hall thought it would be cute to support his dog-killing teammate on national television by holding up a Vick poster for ESPN’s cameras.

3. In Week 3 of 2007, the Falcons hosted the Panthers. Hall turned in a stunning performance, holding Steve Smith to just one catch for 10 yards. Unfortunately, his poor attitude cost Atlanta the game, anyway, when he allowed Carolina to tie the score at 17 in the third quarter because of 67 yards in penalties on one drive.

First, Hall committed pass interference after Smith beat him deep. One play later, Hall shoved Smith, drawing a 15-yard personal foul penalty. On the ensuing play, Hall’s trash talk resulted in another 15-yard penalty, negating a series-ending sack and extending a drive that culminated in a touchdown. Even worse, after the game, Hall did not apologize for a clear lack of judgment on his part. ("I felt like a lot of calls could have gone either way. They all went against me.")

If you think the above sounds bad, it gets worse. Despite his big plays (17 interceptions and 36 passes defensed in four seasons) and Sportscenter highlight reel, Hall’s reputation as a shut-down cornerback is overblown.

According to Football Outsiders, Atlanta cornerbacks ranked 17th against number one receivers in 2005, 31st in 2006 and 10th in 2007. That doesn’t speak well to Hall’s supposed status as an elite cornerback. A quick review of Hall’s history against elite receivers isn’t impressive, either. Terrell Owens racked up 112 yards the first time he faced Hall in 2005, and toasted him twice for touchdowns in 2006.

That same season, Joey Galloway (161 yards), Marques Colston (97 yards), Hines Ward (171 yards, three touchdowns), Roy Williams (138 yards, one touchdown) and Santana Moss (123 yards, one touchdown) all victimized Atlanta’s defense. Hall obviously wasn’t locked on these receivers every time they caught a pass, but aren’t elite cornerbacks supposed to make a difference?

Why is Hines Ward smiling? He's heading for six courtesy of Hall.
Doug Pensinger - Getty

What was Hines Ward, a receiver not known for his speed, doing running right past Hall for a 70-yard touchdown? Plaxico Burress (97 yards, one touchdown) and Anquan Boldin (162 yards, two touchdowns) found success against Atlanta’s secondary last season.

Can you imagine the Chiefs spending an insane amount of dough on the player described above? What would Hall’s reaction be to a team struggling through the growing pains associated with a rebuilding project? How could he possibly mesh with Herm Edwards’ team-first mentality? Do you see many Cover 2 defenses around the league featuring overpriced cornerbacks?

According to one NFL insider, Hall wasn’t too interested in coming to Kansas City anyway. Wouldn’t it have been a shame if MeAngelo had taken the money Jared Allen rightfully has earned by proving himself on the field (15.5 sacks) and off it (sober for months)?

Perhaps Chiefs fans – and those running the show at One Arrowhead Drive – should thank the Raiders and for removing the temptation to trade for Hall. It appears he’ll fit perfectly in Oakland, anyway, where the new slogan is “Just get paid, baby

[rovolution]

He got beat for the long ball alot last year

Sounds like our very own Dre Bly.


Its going to be interesting comparing DEN and JOKE's secondaries.

Both have high risk, high reward corners in Bly and Hall and legit "shutdown" guys in Champ and Nnamdi.

[Punisher]

Sounds like our very own Dre Bly.


Its going to be interesting comparing DEN and JOKE's secondaries.

Both have high risk, high reward corners in Bly and Hall and legit "shutdown" guys in Champ and Nnamdi.

Nnamdi is no shut down CB but he's pretty good

[SureShot]

Champ got beat deep alot last year also.

[Punisher]

Champ got beat deep alot last year also.

I blame that on our D-Line..If a QB gets like 10 seconds to throw the ball it will make anyone look Awful out there

[SureShot]

I blame that on our D-Line..If a QB gets like 10 seconds to throw the ball it will make anyone look Awful out there

Thats funny, Dre Bly or any other DB never gets that excuse. He gambled and lost last year. Line was just as mediocre getting to the QB as they were the year before. We were 16th in sacks last year and 15th the year before. Its ok to say Champ didn't have a good year (for him). i'm sure he would say the same thing.

[Punisher]

Thats funny, Dre Bly or any other DB never gets that excuse. He gambled and lost last year. Line was just as mediocre getting to the QB as they were the year before. We were 16th in sacks last year and 15th the year before. Its ok to say Champ didn't have a good year (for him). i'm sure he would say the same thing.

:approve: Thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it

[rovolution]

Thats funny, Dre Bly or any other DB never gets that excuse. He gambled and lost last year. Line was just as mediocre getting to the QB as they were the year before. We were 16th in sacks last year and 15th the year before. Its ok to say Champ didn't have a good year (for him). i'm sure he would say the same thing.

agreed, but remember Champ played with the bum hammy all season.

[SureShot]

I'm sure he was the only CB that was nicked up. :)

[Atlas]

Champ got beat deep alot last year also.

Champ didn't get beat alot last year. What did he give up three or four TDs all year?

[Punisher]

Yea he only gave up 3 or 4:homer:

[SureShot]

Champ didn't get beat alot last year. What did he give up three or four TDs all year?

Depends on your perspective. For any CB it was not bad, but this is Champ the NFL's lock down corner, you know the guy who we may have to make the highest paid DB and Bronco.

[Hogan11]

Thats funny, Dre Bly or any other DB never gets that excuse.

Dre Bly is not a fan favorite......case closed.

[SureShot]

Dre Bly is not a fan favorite......case closed.

He faced alot balls thrown his way. Heres some interesting numbers by Football Outsiders. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/12/21/ramblings/stat-analysis/5920/

[Hogan11]

He faced alot balls thrown his way. Heres some interesting numbers by Football Outsiders. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/2007/12/21/ramblings/stat-analysis/5920/

Oh I know, I'm just saying you'll never see Bly get the shake that Bailey gets....when Bly gets burned, it's his fault. When it happens to Bailey, it's because he didn't get safety help (and we're never talking about Lynch when this excuse comes up) or it's inadaquate rush from the D-Line, etc. etc. etc.

When you're not a fan favorite then you're almost always solely to blame, period. That certainly seems to be the way of things anyways.

[Los Broncos]

Does Hall out perform Champ this season?

I heard Hall say once he was the best, now they are both in same division, kind of interested to see.

[broncofan2438]

That is an outragous contract, Al is an idiot

[24champ]

You know, with all these contracts being thrown around to corners these last two years.

Champ is going to be due for one hell of a contract. Could partially explain why Bowlen doesn't want to spend a lot of money this offseason. Not to mention we will sign Marshall and Doom to longer and bigger contracts later.

[Ugly Duck]

He's a good corner, but he's not that good.

8th pick overall, 2 pro-bowls, 17 INTs, winner of NFL's Fastest Man award...

[rovolution]

8th pick overall, 2 pro-bowls, 17 INTs, winner of NFL's Fastest Man award...

i put him in the same class as Deltha O'Neal.

Gamblers who get burned hard but sometimes get lucky.

Nnamdi is the one who is a beast.

Al is stupid for not showing Nnamdi the $$$

[SureShot]

8th pick overall, 2 pro-bowls, 17 INTs, winner of NFL's Fastest Man award...


Whoa did you say NFL's fastest man award? Well **** never mind thats a great deal for the Raiders.:spit:

[DivineLegion]

Depends on your perspective. For any CB it was not bad, but this is Champ the NFL's lock down corner, you know the guy who we may have to make the highest paid DB and Bronco.

No to me it depends if you like the midget climbing on back tackling technique used by Bly or the sure fire Tackle delivered by Champ. I think Bly takes alot of heat because hes not a complete football player at his position like Champ is, and in my humble opinion Bly is WAY overrated. I would acctualy get excited to see Paymah in at CB towards the middle to latter part of the season.

[SureShot]

No to me it depends if you like the midget climbing on back tackling technique used by Bly or the sure fire Tackle delivered by Champ. I think Bly takes alot of heat because hes not a complete football player at his position like Champ is, and in my humble opinion Bly is WAY overrated. I would acctualy get excited to see Paymah in at CB towards the middle to latter part of the season.

For the record I don't believe Bly is in Champs class my point is Champ didn't have a good year last year (for Champ).

[DivineLegion]

For the record I don't believe Bly is in Champs class my point is Champ didn't have a good year last year (for Champ).

Word...I wasent realy directing that at you, just using it as an avenue to vent.

[brother love]

Champ got beat deep alot last year also.

He was too busy trying to tackle all the running backs who were running wild into the secondary.

[STBumpkin]

He was too busy trying to tackle all the running backs who were running wild into the secondary.

Herein lies the truth. Champ got beat more because he knew he also needed to contain the run, much more so last year than in previous years. It seemed to me that he was always hanging back a split second to ensure against the run, sometimes allowing the receiver to get the drop on him.

[400HZ]

8th pick overall, 2 pro-bowls, 17 INTs, winner of NFL's Fastest Man award...

A lot of hype with less and less substance to back it. Signing that overrated assclown means that your underrated stud (Aso) will probably be gonzo after next season. I really like this move. $70 million dollars for a guy who is probably the 5th or 6th best cornerback in the division.

[Bladerunner]

A lot of hype with less and less substance to back it. Signing that overrated assclown means that your underrated stud (Aso) will probably be gonzo after next season. I really like this move. $70 million dollars for a guy who is probably the 5th or 6th best cornerback in the division.

I'd have been generous and gone with 4th, but you and I are on the same wavelength...overpaying by that much for a guy who's no better than the 4th best CB in the division and malignant to boot...only the Raiders can pull that trigger...good for us...good for you

[2KBack]

Does Hall out perform Champ this season?

I heard Hall say once he was the best, now they are both in same division, kind of interested to see.

Despite his mouth, I think Hall knows his place. He didn't run the fastest man race at the pro bowl this year, and he said it's becasue if he wants to be one of the best "Like Champ Bailey," he needs to focus on his game and not goofing off.

[Broncos4Life]

You know, with all these contracts being thrown around to corners these last two years.

Champ is going to be due for one hell of a contract. Could partially explain why Bowlen doesn't want to spend a lot of money this offseason. Not to mention we will sign Marshall and Doom to longer and bigger contracts later.

Good points.

[Broncos4Life]

Herein lies the truth. Champ got beat more because he knew he also needed to contain the run, much more so last year than in previous years. It seemed to me that he was always hanging back a split second to ensure against the run, sometimes allowing the receiver to get the drop on him.

You're right. A lot of people noticed this throughout last season. Champ was playing a role he really never had to play before. It hurt watching him hang back to contain a possible run play.

But on the flip side I'm sure it improved his already stellar tackling ability. And some of those tackles he made were awesome. Can't wait to watch him this season. I know hes gonna have a better one and get to play like his old self with Slow at the helm. I'm not gonna make any pre judge on Slow though, like a lot of the O-man posters, till I can see what he can do with the D.