Broncos trade Myers to Texans for a 6th

[Bronco LB 59]

BrewCrew's link:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/03/17/texans-trade-for-myers/

TEXANS TRADE FOR MYERS
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2008, 3:59 p.m.
Adam Schefter of NFL Network is reporting that the Denver Broncos have traded restricted free-agent offensive lineman Chris Myers to the Houston Texans for a sixth-round pick.

Because the Broncos had tendered Myers at the sixth-round level, the trade works out essentially the same way as it would have if Myers had signed an offer sheet with the Texans and the Broncos had declined to match the offer. John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports that the Texans wanted to get the deal done easily and quickly, which is why they worked it out as a trade, rather than a free-agent signing.

Myers, who has played his entire three-year career for the Broncos (including 2005, when Texans coach Gary Kubiak was the offensive coordinator), is versatile enough to play either guard or center. The Texans are expected to play him at center.

Myers signed a four-year, $11 million contract that includes $3 million guaranteed.





http://www.myfoxhouston.com/myfox/pages/Sports/Detail?contentId=6054290&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=6.1.1

Texans Acquire Broncos Center Myers

Last Edited: Monday, 17 Mar 2008, 1:55 PM CDT
Created: Monday, 17 Mar 2008, 1:31 PM CDT

Houston Texans FOX 26 Sports

HOUSTON -- NFL sources told FOX 26 Sports on Monday that the Houston Texans will acquire restricted free agent center Chris Myers from the Denver Broncos.

League sources told FOX that Denver will sign Myers to a four-year contract worth $11 million. The deal will give Myers $3 million in guaranteed money. The Texans will give Denver a sixth-round pick in the 2008 NFL Draft.

Since Myers is a restricted free agent, the Texans could have signed him to an offer sheet and Denver would have had one week to match and if they didn't the Broncos would have received a sixth-round pick.

Myers has played for Denver for three years and started 16 games for them last season.

Myers, 26, is 6 feet 5 inches tall and weighs 295 pounds. The Texans were looking for help at center after waiving Mike Flanagan, and with Steve McKinney and Chris White both looking to bounce back from season-ending injuries in 2007.

[DenverBrit]

Since Myers is a restricted free agent, the Texans could have signed him to an offer sheet and Denver would have had one week to match and if they didn't the Broncos would have received a sixth-round pick.

So what happened?? No offer sheet but the deal is done???

[bronco militia]

so the broncos signed and then traded him...

[eddie mac]

Obviously Shanahan doesn't rate Myers as much as he or a lot on here did. BTW great catch Kaylore.

[Atwater His Ass]

Good for Myers, that looks like a pretty sweet deal for him.

[DenverBrit]

so the broncos signed and then traded him...

Ah, ok, I missed that. Ha!

[Broncoman13]

This is why Sunny was fired. I think Shanny and Sunny had differing opinions on how to tender guys like Hamza and Myers. Personally, I think we screwed the pooch on Myers. We should have tendered him to the 3rd round and had the security of a decent back up to an old timer like Nalen!

[bronco militia]

Ah, ok, I missed that. Ha!

yeah...I wonder if there was an advantage to doing that way?

[Gcver2ver3]

so that gives us three 6th rounders now right?...

[Zealander]

Please excuse me while I go question the meaning of Bronco's football...

Why Shanny, why do you test my faith so?

[Conklin]

yeah...I wonder if there was an advantage to doing that way?

respect?

[Bronco LB 59]

Sorry for the confusion. BrewCrew's link was better than mine:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...ade-for-myers/

TEXANS TRADE FOR MYERS
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2008, 3:59 p.m.
Adam Schefter of NFL Network is reporting that the Denver Broncos have traded restricted free-agent offensive lineman Chris Myers to the Houston Texans for a sixth-round pick.

Because the Broncos had tendered Myers at the sixth-round level, the trade works out essentially the same way as it would have if Myers had signed an offer sheet with the Texans and the Broncos had declined to match the offer. John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports that the Texans wanted to get the deal done easily and quickly, which is why they worked it out as a trade, rather than a free-agent signing.

Myers, who has played his entire three-year career for the Broncos (including 2005, when Texans coach Gary Kubiak was the offensive coordinator), is versatile enough to play either guard or center. The Texans are expected to play him at center.

Myers signed a four-year, $11 million contract that includes $3 million guaranteed.

[eddie mac]

This is why Sunny was fired. I think Shanny and Sunny had differing opinions on how to tender guys like Hamza and Myers. Personally, I think we screwed the pooch on Myers. We should have tendered him to the 3rd round and had the security of a decent back up to an old timer like Nalen!

Oskie do you honestly believe that Shanahan would've let this happen if he wasn't that convinced Myers was or wasn't the future at OC in Denver???

[ayjackson]

I guess this means we don't have to treat his dad with kid gloves around here after every instance of getting steamrolled into the backfield on short yardage. Now was that Chris' dad or Kupes' dad - I can't remember?

[eddie mac]

so that gives us three 6th rounders now right?...


Hardly that's our only 6th rounder.

[Dos Rios]

Add center to the list of draft needs.

[bronco militia]

I guess this means we don't have to treat his dad with kid gloves around here after every instance of getting steamrolled into the backfield on short yardage. Now was that Chris' dad or Kupes' dad - I can't remember?


:giggle: :giggle:

no doubt.....sure the broncos are losingsome quality depth, but this guy was far from dominating anyone from the guard or center position.

[bronco militia]

hey, at least Shanny was able to get a draft pick

SoCal must be doing back flips ;D

[Gcver2ver3]

Hardly that's our only 6th rounder.

sheez...my bad

i thought for some reason we had two 6th rounders...

[montrose]

Good! Returning value for a backup player, now lets get back into the 3rd round.

[Jens1893]

sheez...my bad

i thought for some reason we had two 6th rounders...

We have 2 #4s and 2 #5s tho :)

[ayjackson]

sheez...my bad

i thought for some reason we had two 6th rounders...

two fourths, two fifths and i've seen somewhere two sevenths....but before today, no sixths.

[CHANGSTER]

Hmm...I guess we have to hope Hamilton gets and stays healthy for the foreseeable future. I don't see anyone else being able to take over for Nalen in a year or two.

[ICON]

pick 174.

[brncs_fan]

Good! Returning value for a backup player, now lets get back into the 3rd round.

Second.

[That One Guy]

First, 6th rounder does not equal value. Value is anything from the 4th on up. If the player isn't in the top 125 players in this years' draft, the odds are very strong that he's a nobody and wont be in the NFL too long. Yes, there are miracle stories but there are plenty of UDFA miracle stories too.

I stand by my earlier opinion. The 6th rounder developed into a good depth player with potential for the future and the Broncos took a best case scenario and traded it away for no value increase just to test his luck. So we basically drafted a player, trained him up, then traded him away for no profit. I don't see that in many business plans for a good way to get ahead and beat the system...

[Requiem]

I'm so hot right now. Here's our picks.

#12
#42
#104
#115 (Via Washington, Ashley Lelie)
#130 (Via Oakland, Gerard Warren)
#140
#174 (Via Houston,Chris Myers)
#202
#209 (Via Tampa Bay, Jake Plummer)

That's a hard on Day 2; despite the fact that compensatory selections will knock those picks down. . . but still. HOT.

Don't trade any of those up. Trade down and get more. MMMM.

[Atwater His Ass]

It was trade him or match the deal. Obviously, Denver didn't think Myers was the answer at center or guard, so why not get something for him? Would have rather us match Houstons offer and pay that contract to a backup whom we don't feel is going to develop to anything more?

[summerdenver]

I am confused. I thought Myers, Holland, Kuper and possibly Harris formed the core of future OL. I don't understand the logic behind throwing away a solid young player after spending 3 years develoing him in the system. Myers seemed like a good guy with no problems off the field and he also seem to have chemistry with the offense. I just don't get it.

Oh well atleast the rumours that Borncos were showing interest in Pollack and Sullivan at the combine make some sense now.

[Atwater His Ass]

I am confused. I thought Myers, Holland, Kuper and possibly Harris formed the core of future OL. I don't understand the logic behind throwing away a solid young player after spending 3 years develoing him in the system. Myers seemed like a good guy with no problems off the field and he also seem to have chemistry with the offense. I just don't get it.

Oh well atleast the rumours that Borncos were showing interest in Pollack and Sullivan at the combine make some sense now.

Easy. Denver doesn't think Myers will be a future contributer on the OL in any capacity besides a backup. If not, we would have kept him.

[montrose]

First, 6th rounder does not equal value. Value is anything from the 4th on up. If the player isn't in the top 125 players in this years' draft, the odds are very strong that he's a nobody and wont be in the NFL too long. Yes, there are miracle stories but there are plenty of UDFA miracle stories too.

I stand by my earlier opinion. The 6th rounder developed into a good depth player with potential for the future and the Broncos took a best case scenario and traded it away for no value increase just to test his luck. So we basically drafted a player, trained him up, then traded him away for no profit. I don't see that in many business plans for a good way to get ahead and beat the system...

That's one way to look at it. The other way is that you took a 6th rounder, got a few years of depth out of him including one year in which he filled in for you. The guy (in my opinion) had little-no chance of being a quality starter for the team over a period of time and, as evidenced by the deal he got from Houston, was going to receive a deal worth more than a backup should get. By getting a 6th rounder back for him, you've gotten something instead of nothing. Now obviously I can utter the names Terrell Davis and Tom Brady or were both 6th round picks, but in a more realistic capacity - you could land yourself another backup or special teamer who can contribute for another 3-4 years. And all the while, you're not paying that player much at all.

I consider a 21-22 year old who's not getting paid much at all, who I know I can keep 3-4 years good value for a guy who was going to leave anyway and is (in my mind) not an NFL starter on a good OL.

[HEAV]

Head scratcher. They have faith in Hamilton I guess. But Depth is needed now.

[summerdenver]

Easy. Denver doesn't think Myers will be a future contributer on the OL in any capacity besides a backup. If not, we would have kept him.

I am not an expert by any means and coaching staff are better suited to judge a player. However, from what i have seen last year Myers was definiteky not the weak link on the OL. That honor would go to lepsis and Pears by a long way. Myers, actually looked like a competent interior Ol last year.

I have this sinking feeling that this move was not based on ability but that is just a hunch and I hope I am wrong.

[Bronco LB 59]

First, 6th rounder does not equal value. Value is anything from the 4th on up. If the player isn't in the top 125 players in this years' draft, the odds are very strong that he's a nobody and wont be in the NFL too long. Yes, there are miracle stories but there are plenty of UDFA miracle stories too.

I stand by my earlier opinion. The 6th rounder developed into a good depth player with potential for the future and the Broncos took a best case scenario and traded it away for no value increase just to test his luck. So we basically drafted a player, trained him up, then traded him away for no profit. I don't see that in many business plans for a good way to get ahead and beat the system...

I would rather roll the dice and take the chance the Broncos get a Terrell Davis, Tom Nalen, Shannon Sharpe, Karl Mecklenburg caliber pick with it.

Finesse linemen with Chris Myers' skill-set are a dime-a-dozen with this franchise. He won't be difficult to replace.

[Crushaholic]

Kubiak gets a young lineman and we get a freakin' 6th round pick?! Could it be because Shanahan and Kubiak are friends? We should have traded Myers to Washington. At least it would have been worth it in THAT instance...

[bronco militia]

wasn't myers on the bubble during training camp until Hamilton got dinged?

[montrose]

I'm so hot right now. Here's our picks.

#12
#42
#104
#115 (Via Washington, Ashley Lelie)
#130 (Via Oakland, Gerard Warren)
#140
#174 (Via Houston,Chris Myers)
#202
#209 (Via Tampa Bay, Jake Plummer)

That's a hard on Day 2; despite the fact that compensatory selections will knock those picks down. . . but still. HOT.

Don't trade any of those up. Trade down and get more. MMMM.

Although I know the financial aspects were the key, it's just funny to see that we received picks for Lelie, Warren, Myers and the retired Plummer - but nothing for Walker and Gold.

Head scratcher. They have faith in Hamilton I guess. But Depth is needed now.

I think it makes sense. If Myers was still under contract, making peanuts for 2 more years than there'd be no question about him being moved. But with his deal up and Houston making him a decent offer, it's quite obvious they didn't see Myers as anything more than a backup. This especially considering Myers (a Sundquist guy I believe) fits the old mold of the Broncos OL and the team has been gradually getting bigger. I'm fairly certain the Broncos will bring in another G/C, probably a bit bigger, through the draft to improve the depth. As of now, you're looking at Hamilton at LG, Nalen at C and Holland at RG with Kuper the backup at the G's and Hamilton the backup at C. If they bring in one more young G/C, they should be in good shape to get through 2008.

[Requiem]

Myers' Dad on Broncomania:

Chris didn't have much choice when he was low tendered but to accept the offer from Houston. Trust me he DID NOT wish to leave Denver but it didn't make sense to stay as a back up with a low tender contract. I felt he proved himself last year and should of been offered a contract for 3 or 4 years. He would of accepted less then 11 million if he could of stayed. He loves Denver and always will.

Personally, I will truely miss coming to Denver for games we loved coming there and being part of it all.

[That One Guy]

That's one way to look at it. The other way is that you took a 6th rounder, got a few years of depth out of him including one year in which he filled in for you. The guy (in my opinion) had little-no chance of being a quality starter for the team over a period of time and, as evidenced by the deal he got from Houston, was going to receive a deal worth more than a backup should get. By getting a 6th rounder back for him, you've gotten something instead of nothing. Now obviously I can utter the names Terrell Davis and Tom Brady or were both 6th round picks, but in a more realistic capacity - you could land yourself another backup or special teamer who can contribute for another 3-4 years. And all the while, you're not paying that player much at all.

I consider a 21-22 year old who's not getting paid much at all, who I know I can keep 3-4 years good value for a guy who was going to leave anyway and is (in my mind) not an NFL starter on a good OL.

But they paid him for 3 years, trained him, and just when he finally got a year of starting under his belt they traded him. At the very least, force Houston's hand on giving him a bigger contract or give us the additional 7th just like MIA made NE do last year with Welker. Either they gave him an unmatchable contract or they coughed up the extra 7th to make it a trade and keep the contract reasonable. Denver played nice here when at the very least, maybe they could've forced Houston into paying more for the guy than they did. The league is everybody vs everybody, if you can force an opponent to overpay for a guy then you're helping yourself.

It's not that they got rid of Myers that burns me, it's that they basically threw him away when they had a little bit of leverage and the guy wasn't a complete garbage heap.

[That One Guy]

I'm so hot right now. Here's our picks.

#12
#42
#104
#115 (Via Washington, Ashley Lelie)
#130 (Via Oakland, Gerard Warren)
#140
#174 (Via Houston,Chris Myers)
#202
#209 (Via Tampa Bay, Jake Plummer)

That's a hard on Day 2; despite the fact that compensatory selections will knock those picks down. . . but still. HOT.

Don't trade any of those up. Trade down and get more. MMMM.

Yippie.

When the 103rd pick is read, the Broncos will still have only selected 2 players. Out of the next 106, they'll select 7. If that ratio is comforting in any way, let's trade the 1st and 2nd rounders to get every 5th and 6th round pick and then we'll really rock the draft... We'll take every freakin' scrub out there, teams will definitely be envious!!!

[rovolution]

I am confused. I thought Myers, Holland, Kuper and possibly Harris formed the core of future OL. I don't understand the logic behind throwing away a solid young player after spending 3 years develoing him in the system. Myers seemed like a good guy with no problems off the field and he also seem to have chemistry with the offense. I just don't get it.

Oh well atleast the rumours that Borncos were showing interest in Pollack and Sullivan at the combine make some sense now.


Tom Nalen will become the next Bruce Matthews (aka play into his 40s) so were okay :)

[Requiem]

Yippie.

When the 103rd pick is read, the Broncos will still have only selected 2 players. Out of the next 106, they'll select 7. If that ratio is comforting in any way, let's trade the 1st and 2nd rounders to get every 5th and 6th round pick and then we'll really rock the draft... We'll take every freakin' scrub out there, teams will definitely be envious!!!

We need another pick or two early on; and I hope we get it. However, more starters and players are found in the rounds we have more picks in than there are in the first two rounds of the draft. We'll get a third round pick, I'm positive.

[montrose]

But they paid him for 3 years, trained him, and just when he finally got a year of starting under his belt they traded him. At the very least, force Houston's hand on giving him a bigger contract or give us the additional 7th just like MIA made NE do last year with Welker. Either they gave him an unmatchable contract or they coughed up the extra 7th to make it a trade and keep the contract reasonable. Denver played nice here when at the very least, maybe they could've forced Houston into paying more for the guy than they did. The league is everybody vs everybody, if you can force an opponent to overpay for a guy then you're helping yourself.

It's not that they got rid of Myers that burns me, it's that they basically threw him away when they had a little bit of leverage and the guy wasn't a complete garbage heap.

I see you're point, and we have no idea how the negotiations went. For all we know, Houston may have included a poison pill in the deal. As far as getting more value, I'm always for that. But based on the offer Houston gave him, unless we tried to call their bluff and threatened to match, we were pretty much stuck with either taking the 6th or matching it and being on the hook for starter's money on a backup player. With Denver and Houston knowing each other so well, I find it hard to believe Denver would able to bluff matching his deal. Houston knew we weren't that interested in keeping the guy and they obviously have a greater need at C than we do. RFA's are tough, Miami was able to get some more for Welker as they could've legitimately thought about matching. In our instance, matching and paying that kind of money would be foolish, especially considering the payroll hell will be taking on over the next 2 years. Houston, like any other NFL team, realized this. I'm just happy we're getting something out of the deal, and even more happy were not stuck paying Shaun Rodgers little bi*ch. Myers was worth the 6th round pick and money invested in him simply by filling in this year and doing his best not to get Cutler killed. Now, we get something back that may help us. Not bad, not bad at all.

[Atlas]

I guess that his dad will stop posting here...thank god. Meyer's agent is also Drew Holdandout maybe that had something to do with it. Shanny probably already has his eyes on a couple of 6th and 7th round OL.

Of course this could also mean that Denver is going to use their 1st rounder on a T and keep Kuper at Guard.

[Bronco LB 59]

Yippie.

When the 103rd pick is read, the Broncos will still have only selected 2 players. Out of the next 106, they'll select 7. If that ratio is comforting in any way, let's trade the 1st and 2nd rounders to get every 5th and 6th round pick and then we'll really rock the draft... We'll take every freakin' scrub out there, teams will definitely be envious!!!

Marshall and Dumervil were both picked after 106. Quantity in the late rounds is a great place to be in. It increases Denver's odds of striking it rich. There's nothing negative about it at all. Teams like the Colts have a made a killing of drafting dirt cheap, contributors here.

[Liquid Courage]

can someone spell out for me what our theoretical depth chart looks like at this point? it sounds like we have 1 unproven LT, 1 backup LT who can't play RT (based on last year), one G who is a concussion away from retirement, one C who is long in the tooth though he stills gives me nightmares, another G who is solid and stong and a jack-of-all trades and may play G or T but we're not sure where . . . . .

Did I miss anyone? I'm feeling we are just a bit thin at this point (understated for effect) and can only assume that our draft strategy is going to be all about the trenches (if I didn't think that Shanny cringed at the thought of a rookie playing on the line). Is there any depth out there to be had now that Scott went to the Titans?

[rovolution]

I guess that he dad will stop post here...thank god. Meyer's agent is alos Drew Holdandout maybe that had something toi do with it. Shanny probably already has his eyes on a coulple of 6th and 7th round OL.

Of course this could also mena that Denver is going to use their 1st rounder on a T and keep Kuper at Guard.


I cant wait for the Nailman to get back. Really missed the guy this season. I love the blue collar, nasty attitude he brings with him.

[That One Guy]

I see you're point, and we have no idea how the negotiations went. For all we know, Houston may have included a poison pill in the deal. As far as getting more value, I'm always for that. But based on the offer Houston gave him, unless we tried to call their bluff and threatened to match, we were pretty much stuck with either taking the 6th or matching it and being on the hook for starter's money on a backup player. With Denver and Houston knowing each other so well, I find it hard to believe Denver would able to bluff matching his deal. Houston knew we weren't that interested in keeping the guy and they obviously have a greater need at C than we do. RFA's are tough, Miami was able to get some more for Welker as they could've legitimately thought about matching. In our instance, matching and paying that kind of money would be foolish, especially considering the payroll hell will be taking on over the next 2 years. Houston, like any other NFL team, realized this. I'm just happy we're getting something out of the deal, and even more happy were not stuck paying Shaun Rodgers little bi*ch. Myers was worth the 6th round pick and money invested in him simply by filling in this year and doing his best not to get Cutler killed. Now, we get something back that may help us. Not bad, not bad at all.

I just think betting on Hamilton returning to form is putting all your eggs in one very flimsy basket. I have to agree with what some here said in that the Broncos just didn't want Myers back. I don't understand why Kuper was on the bench though if Myers was so bad. Anytime you have a guy starting and there's legitimate competition behind him... I think that says the guy is at least halfway serviceable. Especially based on what Myers' dad posted that he'd have taken less to stay... it just baffles me. There's gotta be more behind the scenes but I guess I'd just like to see Denver play hardball with somebody...

Lets hope Kuper's the real deal incase Hamilton isn't ready... and let's hope our C doesn't go down again...

[Dos Rios]

can someone spell out for me what our theoretical depth chart looks like at this point? it sounds like we have 1 unproven LT, 1 backup LT who can't play RT (based on last year), one G who is a concussion away from retirement, one C who is long in the tooth though he stills gives me nightmares, another G who is solid and stong and a jack-of-all trades and may play G or T but we're not sure where . . . . .

Did I miss anyone? I'm feeling we are just a bit thin at this point (understated for effect) and can only assume that our draft strategy is going to be all about the trenches (if I didn't think that Shanny cringed at the thought of a rookie playing on the line). Is there any depth out there to be had now that Scott went to the Titans?

You missed the journeyman G who was the best lineman last year.

And the super-secret solution to all OL problems: Chad Mustard.

[rugbythug]

When watching the last game against the Chuggers did anyone else not feel like Meyers was messing up the line calls? ON 2 occassions Cutler got killed because Pears took an outside guy and the Guard doubled inside Giving a rusher a free lane. And to me the blitz did not look like it was faked at all, just missed.

[That One Guy]

Marshall and Dumervil were both picked after 106. Quantity in the late rounds is a great place to be in. It increases Denver's odds of striking it rich. There's nothing negative about it at all. Teams like the Colts have a made a killing of drafting dirt cheap, contributors here.

You had to pull that card... There's always one guy with that one in his sock at the ready...

OK, let's play a game... you name a player picked after 106 that succeeded and I'll name one that failed and was a complete bust. Lets see who runs out of players first.

[rovolution]

You missed the journeyman G who was the best lineman last year.

And the super-secret solution to all OL problems: Chad Mustard.

Dont forget our $30 million OT, Daniel Graham

[Atwater His Ass]

Maybe you could cry more about it. That might help.

[eddie mac]

Tom Nalen will become the next Bruce Matthews (aka play into his 40s) so were okay :)

We'll need to offer him an extension soon then cos he's out of contract at the end of the upcoming season.

[That One Guy]

Maybe you could cry more about it. That might help.

HAHAHA! Someone cried!?!?! HAHA! Where? Show me, I didn't see it!!!

[rovolution]

We'll need to offer him an extension soon then cos he's out of contract at the end of the upcoming season.

if the Nailman decides to go Bruce Matthews, Shanny wont hesitate to throw him the $$$.

Shanny loves the Nailman. Says hes the best center in the history of the league(can be debated, but I think hes top 5 atleast).

[montrose]

can someone spell out for me what our theoretical depth chart looks like at this point? it sounds like we have 1 unproven LT, 1 backup LT who can't play RT (based on last year), one G who is a concussion away from retirement, one C who is long in the tooth though he stills gives me nightmares, another G who is solid and stong and a jack-of-all trades and may play G or T but we're not sure where . . . . .

Did I miss anyone? I'm feeling we are just a bit thin at this point (understated for effect) and can only assume that our draft strategy is going to be all about the trenches (if I didn't think that Shanny cringed at the thought of a rookie playing on the line). Is there any depth out there to be had now that Scott went to the Titans?

LT: Harris
LG: Hamilton, Kuper
C: Nalen, Hamilton, * Fenton
RG: Holland, Kuper
RT: Pears

I'm sure the Broncos will address OL early and often in the draft and may even being in a cheap vet between now and camp. I included Fenton as they kept him around on the PS last year and considering recent Broncos PS'ers - they may like him.

I just think betting on Hamilton returning to form is putting all your eggs in one very flimsy basket. I have to agree with what some here said in that the Broncos just didn't want Myers back. I don't understand why Kuper was on the bench though if Myers was so bad. Anytime you have a guy starting and there's legitimate competition behind him... I think that says the guy is at least halfway serviceable. Especially based on what Myers' dad posted that he'd have taken less to stay... it just baffles me. There's gotta be more behind the scenes but I guess I'd just like to see Denver play hardball with somebody...

Lets hope Kuper's the real deal incase Hamilton isn't ready... and let's hope our C doesn't go down again...

I completely agree that it's not wise to put all of trust in Hamilton and Nalen. But remember, the Broncos aren't competing in 2008 - you know it, I know it and Shanahan knows it. They may be a wild card team, but the Lombardi isn't touching the Mile High City next year. The moves the Broncos make now should be, and are appearing to be, in the interest of building the team to becoming a long term contender. A big part of that is saving money for the players that matter like BMarsh, Doom, Scheff, Kuper and DJ. Keeping Myers around for depth would've been a wise move for 2008 and dumb for 2009 and 2010.

As far as Myers playing over Kuper at the beginning of the season, remember that Myers had more experience in the system and Kuper was a natural RG, not LG. Kuper was inserted at LG after the injuries, but Myers was the more logical choice at the time. If you take a look at the games from last season (which I wisely saved on my TiVo, atta boy to myself), Kuper beats the pants of Myers. I like Chris as a backup because of his versatility, and I think he did an okay job filling in, but $11 mil plus a $3 mil bonus was just way too much.

All in all, the Broncos OL sucked last year and it's probably going to suck again this year. The bottom line for me is that I don't want Chris Myers starting on my OL in 2010 which matching this deal would have done. Hopefully this year's draft can net some depth at the position while continuing the evolution of bigger Broncos OL.

[worm]

I'm so hot right now. Here's our picks.

#12
#42
#104
#115 (Via Washington, Ashley Lelie)
#130 (Via Oakland, Gerard Warren)
#140
#174 (Via Houston,Chris Myers)
#202
#209 (Via Tampa Bay, Jake Plummer)

That's a hard on Day 2; despite the fact that compensatory selections will knock those picks down. . . but still. HOT.

Don't trade any of those up. Trade down and get more. MMMM.


Glad you won't be bored on Day Two now Req.

I will be crossing my fingers that Denver will continue to trade down and acquire more picks in Rounds 6 and 7.

That way your mocks can be as long and involved as possible and you get to enjoy the merits of debating the virtues of a whole slew of seventh rounders. Who knows...maybe Denver can even get the very last pick in the draft!!!! Wouldn't THAT be cool!

[elsid13]

I'm very disappointed in this move, and was hoping that Myers would be the long term solution in the center position. This makes me wonder if a guard is option at #12.

[illbroncsfn]

Is Gary Kubiak out-shannahaning Mike Shannahan???

[Requiem]

Glad you won't be bored on Day Two now Req.

I will be crossing my fingers that Denver will continue to trade down and acquire more picks in Rounds 6 and 7.

That way your mocks can be as long and involved as possible and you get to enjoy the merits of debating the virtues of a whole slew of seventh rounders. Who knows...maybe Denver can even get the very last pick in the draft!!!! Wouldn't THAT be cool!

I love you too worm. ^5 :kiss:

[Bronco Jamus]

Wow. Good luck to Chris. I thought he did a great job considering the situation he was thrown into last season.

[montrose]

You had to pull that card... There's always one guy with that one in his sock at the ready...

OK, let's play a game... you name a player picked after 106 that succeeded and I'll name one that failed and was a complete bust. Lets see who runs out of players first.

The funny thing is we could play that game with players picked before 106 as well. Determining the success of a pick depends just as much on where he was selected as what he contributed. If Willie Middlebrooks was a 7th round pick, he would've been a solid choice because of his special teams abilities.

Obviously you just don't know how a draft pick is or is not going to work out. But what is known is that mid-low round picks are young talents that come incredibly cheap in comparison to the market value. That is the value of stock piling mid-late round selections. Finding a Brandon Marshall or Elvis Dumervil is great, but more likely is finding guys like Foxworth and Kuper who can come in and help out the team on the cheap. And money is oh so important for the Broncos right now.

[Bronco LB 59]

You had to pull that card... There's always one guy with that one in his sock at the ready...

OK, let's play a game... you name a player picked after 106 that succeeded and I'll name one that failed and was a complete bust. Lets see who runs out of players first.

That's a given more players are unheard of in the bottom half than those who succeed. Like I said, you overcome those odds by stockpiling picks which increase your chances of hitting it with a few players. Like Requiem mentioned, Denver also improved their chances of getting back into the third.

Chris Myers was a marginal starter. His upside was limited.

Denver needs more Pro Bowl caliber players to catch up with San Diego. They aren't going to find them in FA (too expensive) so the draft is their best bet. I have no problem with the Broncos taking a calculated risk and improving their chances at landing another exceptional player. Sitting on our hands with an average guy like Myers won't get us back to Super Bowl contention.

[oubronco]

WTF !! a 6th for a starter who the hell is shanny going to replace him with after he groomed him for THREE fuggin years he doesn't start rookies so thats out where is shanny's head ............up his ASSSSSSS !!!!!!!

[Atlas]

I just think betting on Hamilton returning to form is putting all your eggs in one very flimsy basket. I have to agree with what some here said in that the Broncos just didn't want Myers back. I don't understand why Kuper was on the bench though if Myers was so bad. Anytime you have a guy starting and there's legitimate competition behind him... I think that says the guy is at least halfway serviceable. Especially based on what Myers' dad posted that he'd have taken less to stay... it just baffles me. There's gotta be more behind the scenes but I guess I'd just like to see Denver play hardball with somebody...

Lets hope Kuper's the real deal incase Hamilton isn't ready... and let's hope our C doesn't go down again...

Denver has Kuper and Holland to play guard if Hamilton can't.

[Bronco LB 59]

All in all, the Broncos OL sucked last year and it's probably going to suck again this year. The bottom line for me is that I don't want Chris Myers starting on my OL in 2010 which matching this deal would have done. Hopefully this year's draft can net some depth at the position while continuing the evolution of bigger Broncos OL.

Exactly!!! Anybody slamming this trade because of the 2008 outlook is looking at this in a short-sided view. You're right, the idea here is building a squad and offensive line that will be a force in the long-haul. And stockpiling picks and outdrafting San Diego gives Denver the best chance to accomplish that.

[That One Guy]

LT: Harris
LG: Hamilton, Kuper
C: Nalen, Hamilton, * Fenton
RG: Holland, Kuper
RT: Pears

I'm sure the Broncos will address OL early and often in the draft and may even being in a cheap vet between now and camp. I included Fenton as they kept him around on the PS last year and considering recent Broncos PS'ers - they may like him.



I completely agree that it's not wise to put all of trust in Hamilton and Nalen. But remember, the Broncos aren't competing in 2008 - you know it, I know it and Shanahan knows it. They may be a wild card team, but the Lombardi isn't touching the Mile High City next year. The moves the Broncos make now should be, and are appearing to be, in the interest of building the team to becoming a long term contender. A big part of that is saving money for the players that matter like BMarsh, Doom, Scheff, Kuper and DJ. Keeping Myers around for depth would've been a wise move for 2008 and dumb for 2009 and 2010.

As far as Myers playing over Kuper at the beginning of the season, remember that Myers had more experience in the system and Kuper was a natural RG, not LG. Kuper was inserted at LG after the injuries, but Myers was the more logical choice at the time. If you take a look at the games from last season (which I wisely saved on my TiVo, atta boy to myself), Kuper beats the pants of Myers. I like Chris as a backup because of his versatility, and I think he did an okay job filling in, but $11 mil plus a $3 mil bonus was just way too much.

All in all, the Broncos OL sucked last year and it's probably going to suck again this year. The bottom line for me is that I don't want Chris Myers starting on my OL in 2010 which matching this deal would have done. Hopefully this year's draft can net some depth at the position while continuing the evolution of bigger Broncos OL.


OK, well that may be something there. I don't think I'd ever seen any Myers vs Kuper analysis and I'm still a 'follow the ball' kinda guy myself so I don't often notice lineman unless they're a complete doofus. If they honestly think he can be replaced and they didn't want him around anymore, so be it. I just hope to hell that they have a plan...

As for contending next year, no I don't expect to see a Broncos SB but I do expect to see a much improved team. The Broncos went with many years of high end mediocrity after the SB wins and now even that is falling off. They need to start instilling confidence back in the fans or they'll start calling for Shanny's head. I'd hate to see the day when we have Broncos fans wearing paper bags with Shanny's face on it that says "fire me". Also, if I have to endure another year of people like Telluride... either they, I, or Shanny are gonna die. Somebody's going though. I remember once upon a time when the "fireshannahan.com" guy was openly mocked... now he's got his own freakin' fan club.

[Atlas]

WTF !! a 6th for a starter who the hell is shanny going to replace him with after he groomed him for THREE fuggin years he doesn't start rookies so thats out where is shanny's head ............up his ASSSSSSS !!!!!!!

Meyers isn't a starter. He is a backup. Hamilton and Holland are the starters. Filling in for an injured player doesn't make you a starter. It just means you get to start.

[Punisher]

I got to see who we pick up with that 6th pick before i say anything.

[montrose]

Exactly!!! Anybody slamming this trade because of the 2008 outlook is looking at this in a short-sided view. You're right, the idea here is building a squad and offensive line that will be a force in the long-haul. And stockpiling picks and outdrafting San Diego gives Denver the best chance to accomplish that.

Virtual Man-Hug coming your way.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Another one of Kaylore's super stud prospect offensive linemen bites the dust.

What's left now? Kuper and that POS Pears?

[montrose]

OK, well that may be something there. I don't think I'd ever seen any Myers vs Kuper analysis and I'm still a 'follow the ball' kinda guy myself so I don't often notice lineman unless they're a complete doofus. If they honestly think he can be replaced and they didn't want him around anymore, so be it. I just hope to hell that they have a plan...

I follow the OL every game, most former OL like myself do. It was by far our biggest weakness last year, even over the DL, IMO. Myers was okay at best, he never provided any real push and was manhandled by bigger DT's. At times, he made Ben Hamilton look like an Adonis. Myers best blocks seemed to come when he already had the angle and was receiving double team help. A per Kuper, he made mistakes but those were mostly mental. He was solid, and even dominant at times last season. I'd even go as far to say that, if Shanny treats it as an open competition, I think Kuper should start over Hamilton.

As for contending next year, no I don't expect to see a Broncos SB but I do expect to see a much improved team. The Broncos went with many years of high end mediocrity after the SB wins and now even that is falling off. They need to start instilling confidence back in the fans or they'll start calling for Shanny's head. I'd hate to see the day when we have Broncos fans wearing paper bags with Shanny's face on it that says "fire me". Also, if I have to endure another year of people like Telluride... either they, I, or Shanny are gonna die. Somebody's going though. I remember once upon a time when the "fireshannahan.com" guy was openly mocked... now he's got his own freakin' fan club.

They should be better next year if for no other reason that they (knock on wood) would be healthier and the youngsters have more experience. With that, I wouldn't expect any miracles. I think 9-7 would be a real overachievement for this team. Regardless, keeping Chris Myers around sure as hell wasn't going to make or break the 2008 season. In fact, if he had to play at all - I'd venture things were going bad anyhow.

[worm]

Wow. Training camp amateur reporting jealousy.

Who knew such a thing existed,

[That One Guy]

Meyers isn't a starter. He is a backup. Hamilton and Holland are the starters. Filling in for an injured player doesn't make you a starter. It just means you get to start.

Being a starter returning from injury and being given the slot back doesn't make you a starter (Lepsis), just means you get to start.

Lets wait and see if the guy who made his living being able to bench over 500 LBs returns to full strength after tearing a peck.

[lookin' glass]

It will be interesting to see what Gibbs down in Houston can do with Myers.
Myers played ok here and may have gotten better. I don't get the 6th rd tender for either. We'll see if he gets better there.

[montrose]

I hate to pick on a guy for one game but take a look at this clip at the 35 second mark.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803e87fc

[Muddled]

Well, one possible angle on this would be to take it as a sign the team has reason to believe Hamilton and Nalen will be back full strength next season. Sure seems odd trading your starting center every game this season who is young and relatively cheap away for a 6th though

[Bronx33]

I got to see who we pick up with that 6th pick before i say anything.


There ya go folks someone is finally is showing some patience before one throws shanny under the bus, shanahan obviously didn't like something about myers.

[Bronx33]

I hate to pick on a guy for one game but take a look at this clip at the 35 second mark.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803e87fc

Walked right by him for sure and i will always consider that hit to cutlers leg a (cheapshot) of epic proportions.

[ward63]

With our cap situation and eating dead money next year, it was probably smart. We bought a new car with a sixth round pick and traded it in for another one. At least we got something for him, rather than resigning the tender and walking next year. He started one year, but DT's/LB's were killing him left and right. It'd been nice to keep him around but not at an almost 3 mill/year avg.

[tonngo0]

I believe Shanny likes Fenton alot more than Meyers. Also with Nalen starting and Fenton backing up so the center is set. Remember Fenton was a center at CU.

[kupesdad]

Good luck to Chris. I know that it was a very tough decision. I know that my son will miss him and despite some people's opinions he had a solid year last year and I'm sure that he would just build on it this year.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Nalen is coming back? Fenton is a freaking undrafted free agent.

[Sassy]

Good luck to Chris. I know that it was a very tough decision. I know that my son will miss him and despite some people's opinions he had a solid year last year and I'm sure that he would just build on it this year.

Personally, I think it sucks. I would have liked too seen more of him.

[Requiem]

Good luck to Chris. I know that it was a very tough decision. I know that my son will miss him and despite some people's opinions he had a solid year last year and I'm sure that he would just build on it this year.

If the Broncos thought he had a solid year last year, he wouldn't have been traded for just a sixth rounder; and they would have kept him.

[Kaylore]

Yes well I'm not surprised by this, though I had heard from some this was the likely outcome. I like that this means they are ok enough with Kuper to let Myers go but for the price they signed Myers we could have tendered him a third round offer and got the Texans third round pick and not sixth. Poorly played on our end. Good for Myers though. I wish him well.

[silverwing]

I hate to pick on a guy for one game but take a look at this clip at the 35 second mark.

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d803e87fc

lol :strong:

[Tombstone RJ]

Yippie.

When the 103rd pick is read, the Broncos will still have only selected 2 players. Out of the next 106, they'll select 7. If that ratio is comforting in any way, let's trade the 1st and 2nd rounders to get every 5th and 6th round pick and then we'll really rock the draft... We'll take every freakin' scrub out there, teams will definitely be envious!!!

LMMFAO!!LOL

[eddie mac]

With our cap situation and eating dead money next year, it was probably smart. We bought a new car with a sixth round pick and traded it in for another one. At least we got something for him, rather than resigning the tender and walking next year. He started one year, but DT's/LB's were killing him left and right. It'd been nice to keep him around but not at an almost 3 mill/year avg.

As things stand the Broncos have no dead money hitting the cap next year. It's all on this season.

[eddie mac]

Yes well I'm not surprised by this, though I had heard from some this was the likely outcome. I like that this means they are ok enough with Kuper to let Myers go but for the price they signed Myers we could have tendered him a third round offer and got the Texans third round pick and not sixth. Poorly played on our end. Good for Myers though. I wish him well.

Kaylore it was draft pick tender $927k or 2nd rd tender $1.4m. There is no specific tender for a 3rd rd pick. The confusion comes from Paymah and Foxworth actually being 3rd rd selections but they got the same offer as Chris.

[Inkana7]

Boo. I loved Myers.

[cutthemdown]

I'm not sad to see him go he just got pushed around too much and got absolutely dominated in 3-4 games last yr. The Detroit game sticks out as well as the Chargers games.

[Hercules Rockefeller]

Nalen is coming back? Fenton is a freaking undrafted free agent.

He was also considered a 3rd or 4th round pick before he broke his leg during his senior season at CU. But I'm sure you knew that.

[Kaylore]

Kaylore it was draft pick tender $927k or 2nd rd tender $1.4m. There is no specific tender for a 3rd rd pick. The confusion comes from Paymah and Foxworth actually being 3rd rd selections but they got the same offer as Chris.

Ah, well that makes me feel a little better, but not much.

[cutthemdown]

Good luck to Chris. I know that it was a very tough decision. I know that my son will miss him and despite some people's opinions he had a solid year last year and I'm sure that he would just build on it this year.

For sure good luck to him no reason to offer anything negative about how it will work out for Meyers. Hopefully he gets to play a lot in Texas and keep getting better.

I think he just wasn't strong enough IMO to handle the big tackles and it was him getting pushed around too much that made Denver feel they need to look in another direction.

[BroncoMan4ever]

#12
#42
#104
#115 (Via Washington, Ashley Lelie)
#130 (Via Oakland, Gerard Warren)
#140
#174 (Via Houston,Chris Myers)
#202
#209 (Via Tampa Bay, Jake Plummer)

7 picks on day 2 of the draft. Anyone else think trading Foxworth and some of those late picks for 3rd and/or 4th rounders would be a good idea, and go the less is more route because of quality in earlier rounds as opposed to drafting a lot more players late in the draft and pray that more than 1 of them hits?

[Malcontent]

Clady in rd 1, and trade down the 2nd rounder for a coupla 3rds! That'll mean tons of new young bucks in here all fired up to make the team this TC. Yep we'll suck next year, and possibly in 2009, but look out in the seasons following.

[Dedhed]

Head scratcher. They have faith in Hamilton I guess. But Depth is needed now.

I think its more of a sign that they have faith in Kuper, Holland, and their ability to draft a solid backup/future center in rounds 5-7.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Yes well I'm not surprised by this, though I had heard from some this was the likely outcome. I like that this means they are ok enough with Kuper to let Myers go but for the price they signed Myers we could have tendered him a third round offer and got the Texans third round pick and not sixth. Poorly played on our end. Good for Myers though. I wish him well.

What's amusing is that you think any team in the league would give up a third-round pick for Chris freakin' Myers.

[SureShot]

Quit hitting on Khan you fat toad.

[Dedhed]

What's amusing is that you think any team in the league would give up a third-round pick for Chris freakin' Myers.

That's still not as funny as thinking Croyle will be a legit starter in the NFL.

[Kaylore]

Quit hitting on Khan you fat toad.

Bob trolling again, is he?

[SureShot]

Desperation is a stinky cologne.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

That's still not as funny as thinking Croyle will be a legit starter in the NFL.

Don't put words in my mouth.

You can read my words, though:

Optimism in March is overrated when your starting quarterback has six career touchdown passes.

[That One Guy]

Don't put words in my mouth.

You can read my words, though:

They'd stop putting things in your mouth if you'd stop putting your mouth in our board.

There's only one two definitive statements where Brodie Croyle is concerned right now:

1. He's injury prone

2. He has first-round talent

This article adds a third definitive statement

3. He has high character and work ethic

Anyone judging him past these three statements is just wishing and hoping.

So you say the guy has 1st round talent but aren't saying he could be a starter? Sounds like Peterson logic at work there...

[Drek]

I'm fine with this. Hopefully it indicates a move towards a more powerful line (Fenton is a more powerful player than Myers). We can teach guys to move in our system, we can't teach them to be bigger and stronger.

[elsid13]

Bob trolling again, is he?

He looking for attention. It freaking pathetic

[Drek]

He looking for attention. It freaking pathetic

Come on. If coming here and trolling our little casual broncos discussion is what it takes so Bob can continue to ignore his ****ty life where even his own mother can't stand him and he'll never know the touch of a woman he hasn't paid, making it possible for him to get through each day without blowing his brains out, then I say let him have it.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

They'd stop putting things in your mouth if you'd stop putting your mouth in our board.



So you say the guy has 1st round talent but aren't saying he could be a starter? Sounds like Peterson logic at work there...

He's definitely a starter. I don't know why you're confused.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Broncs must have faith in Fenton, Nalen and Hamiton.

Good luck to Chris - a class act.

A 6th round draft choice, historically has about a 15% chance of ever playing in an NFL game.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

How can you folks have any respect for Shanahan if he forces Hamilton to play. You know, after this whole Al Wilson thing? That would just be disgusting.

[wolf754life]

hopefully hoping that hope is hopeful with wishful hopefullness gettting lucky with luck!

DRAFTBUSToHAN!!!! strikes again!

[That One Guy]

How can you folks have any respect for Shanahan if he forces Hamilton to play. You know, after this whole Al Wilson thing? That would just be disgusting.

Al Wilson and Hamilton are completely different situations.

Maybe they shouldn't make LJ play this year either, he really wore out his body carrying around his sacks of money since that new deal. That would be disgusting...

[Requiem]

Someone needs to put a blunt up in Bob's mouth.

[dsmoot]

can someone spell out for me what our theoretical depth chart looks like at this point? it sounds like we have 1 unproven LT, 1 backup LT who can't play RT (based on last year), one G who is a concussion away from retirement, one C who is long in the tooth though he stills gives me nightmares, another G who is solid and stong and a jack-of-all trades and may play G or T but we're not sure where . . . . .

Did I miss anyone? I'm feeling we are just a bit thin at this point (understated for effect) and can only assume that our draft strategy is going to be all about the trenches (if I didn't think that Shanny cringed at the thought of a rookie playing on the line). Is there any depth out there to be had now that Scott went to the Titans?

Guys, this is the very scenario that has had me worrying about the success and consistency of this offense. Everyone here (almost) has been talking about how GOOD Myers did this year when all I saw was the middle of the line getting moved around in the red zone. I am not talking myself up, it is just what I perceived from watching. We never hear from the Broncos what they think of their young players until something like this happens. Guess what. Denver didn't think a tremendous amount about Myers future on this line or they would have matched to keep the investment.

You half-full guys better start praying about Hamilton's health and Harris' ability to be what everyone who has never seen him play is hoping he will become. Nalen is gone after this year. Where is the next stud guard coming from assuming Hamilton is healthy enough to move over to center. I see a tremendously thin OL that cannot afford the loss of a center, guard or dropoff in talent at LT like we did this past season.

[rugbythug]

Guys, this is the very scenario that has had me worrying about the success and consistency of this offense. Everyone here (almost) has been talking about how GOOD Myers did this year when all I saw was the middle of the line getting moved around in the red zone. I am not talking myself up, it is just what I perceived from watching. We never hear from the Broncos what they think of their young players until something like this happens. Guess what. Denver didn't think a tremendous amount about Myers future on this line or they would have matched to keep the investment.

You half-full guys better start praying about Hamilton's health and Harris' ability to be what everyone who has never seen him play is hoping he will become. Nalen is gone after this year. Where is the next stud guard coming from assuming Hamilton is healthy enough to move over to center. I see a tremendously thin OL that cannot afford the loss of a center, guard or dropoff in talent at LT like we did this past season.

If only there was a way to lure college players to come and sit on the bench, learn the offense and then play next year or something. That would be cool.

[bronco militia]

How can you folks have any respect for Shanahan if he forces Hamilton to play. You know, after this whole Al Wilson thing? That would just be disgusting.


yeah!

hopefully Hamilton got it in writing that he has a dented melon Uhh

[dsmoot]

Wow. Good luck to Chris. I thought he did a great job considering the situation he was thrown into last season.


I don't want a player who did a GREAT ??? job considering the situation he was thrown into. I want a player who gets an opportunity, takes advantage of it and gives the team a reason not to take him out of the lineup when the injured player is healthy. This is the scenario that improves a bad situation and makes the team a legitimate playoff team.

[dsmoot]

Well, one possible angle on this would be to take it as a sign the team has reason to believe Hamilton and Nalen will be back full strength next season. Sure seems odd trading your starting center every game this season who is young and relatively cheap away for a 6th though

How can this team THINK Hamilton will be back at full strength. He hasn't taken one tough shot to the side of the head. Go back and read the articles in the Post/RMN about how long he took to recover from that concussion, what the symptoms were and the knowledge that many, many players never shake the susceptibility to future head injuries. The Broncos can only HOPE that he is recovered as most of us do. Any wise personnel man would be making plans to live without him and hope for the best.

[Ray Finkle]

Somewhere Socal is either happy for the draft pick or pissed the Broncos have one less cane...

[ohiobronco2]

hopefully hoping that hope is hopeful with wishful hopefullness gettting lucky with luck!

DRAFTBUSToHAN!!!! strikes again!

How did Bob get another username?

[ohiobronco2]

Somewhere Socal is either happy for the draft pick or pissed the Broncos have one less cane...

Hilarious!

[Bronco Jamus]

I don't want a player who did a GREAT ??? job considering the situation he was thrown into. I want a player who gets an opportunity, takes advantage of it and gives the team a reason not to take him out of the lineup when the injured player is healthy. This is the scenario that improves a bad situation and makes the team a legitimate playoff team.

In a perfect world, sure.

Playing center is a tough job. Probably the toughest on the field combining brains and strength.

[Killericon]

I'm a little upset, but not overly.

[HEAV]

Denver could make a push to sign the Texans free agent Guard.


Fred Weary
http://www.nfl.com/players/fredweary/profile?id=WEA046301

[dsmoot]

In a perfect world, sure.

Playing center is a tough job. Probably the toughest on the field combining brains and strength.


I don't disagree with you about the toughness of the job but I do strongly disagree that it is characteristic of a perfect world. This is what you want out of every draft pick. Someone who works hard and then creates or waits for an opportunity. This is really what happened in Dallas in the late 60's and into the 70's. They built a deep, strong team that regenerated itself from the bench where players waited for that chance. Landry created a situation where players were afraid to take time off for injuries. Although that in of itself may not be healthy, there was tremendous competition that brought the overall talent upward. The salary cap makes this much more difficult but you want your draft picks to kick the vets to the curb. This coming from a diehard Bronco fan.

[Popcorn Sutton]

How can this team THINK Hamilton will be back at full strength. He hasn't taken one tough shot to the side of the head. Go back and read the articles in the Post/RMN about how long he took to recover from that concussion, what the symptoms were and the knowledge that many, many players never shake the susceptibility to future head injuries. The Broncos can only HOPE that he is recovered as most of us do. Any wise personnel man would be making plans to live without him and hope for the best.

Chris Myers is a great guy and filled in nicely but he is not irreplaceable. Calm down.

EDIT: BTW, there was no free agency in the 60s and 70s.... no salary cap etc.

[Bronco Jamus]

I don't disagree with you about the toughness of the job but I do strongly disagree that it is characteristic of a perfect world. This is what you want out of every draft pick. Someone who works hard and then creates or waits for an opportunity. This is really what happened in Dallas in the late 60's and into the 70's. They built a deep, strong team that regenerated itself from the bench where players waited for that chance. Landry created a situation where players were afraid to take time off for injuries. Although that in of itself may not be healthy, there was tremendous competition that brought the overall talent upward. The salary cap makes this much more difficult but you want your draft picks to kick the vets to the curb. This coming from a diehard Bronco fan.

It's easier said than done.

[That One Guy]

Guys, this is the very scenario that has had me worrying about the success and consistency of this offense. Everyone here (almost) has been talking about how GOOD Myers did this year when all I saw was the middle of the line getting moved around in the red zone. I am not talking myself up, it is just what I perceived from watching. We never hear from the Broncos what they think of their young players until something like this happens. Guess what. Denver didn't think a tremendous amount about Myers future on this line or they would have matched to keep the investment.

You half-full guys better start praying about Hamilton's health and Harris' ability to be what everyone who has never seen him play is hoping he will become. Nalen is gone after this year. Where is the next stud guard coming from assuming Hamilton is healthy enough to move over to center. I see a tremendously thin OL that cannot afford the loss of a center, guard or dropoff in talent at LT like we did this past season.

This is like saying, "I don't mean to be rude, but you're fat" or, in this case, "I don't mean to insult you but you sound like a jackass".

There's quite a few already saying the guy was nothing special but you come in here touting how you're the only one seeing any deficincies? I was one of the first arguing that this was a wasted move, even started arguing it back when they initially put the tag on him yet also conceded that they're putting a lot of stock (riskily) in Hamilton coming back.

In reality, all you did was act like you're making some revalation (that has already been made repeatedly) and thump your chest when you didn't say anything that wasn't already established. Stop acting like you know anything and buy a f-ing vowel.

[27atwater]

Draft Kerry Brown from App State w/ that pick and we're no worse off than we were w/ Myers.

[SoCalBronco]

I love picks more than anyone, but this still makes me sad. :(

He's worth more than a sixth. They should not have gone cheap on his contract. He's very versatile, can play up to 3 spots and did a solid job filling in. Not a good deal.

[no-pseudo-fan]

This has to be a vote of confidence in Mark Fenton. That is the only way I see Chris Myers being expendable. Mark Fenton was 1st team All Big 12 his Junior Year, if not for a broken leg in his senior year, who knows where he would have been drafted last year.

[SureShot]

He broke his leg and still made honorable mention All Big 12 his senior year.

[HEAV]

Draft Kerry Brown from App State w/ that pick and we're no worse off than we were w/ Myers.



I don know.

Myers was really versatile in playing both center and guard for the O-line. Not to mentionhaving starting expereince in the Broncos system.

He was a insurance policy for both Nalen and Hamilton.

I'd hate to see a replay of the 07 season, with both Nalen and Hamilton going down, and not having a decent backup for both players.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Al Wilson and Hamilton are completely different situations.

Yeah, Hamilton's is quite a bit more serious. I thought he had retired to be honest.

[BroncoBuff]

Good for Myers, that looks like a pretty sweet deal for him.
Damn right it is ... I guess this means Hamilton is okay, and/or Kuper stays at guard?


I love picks more than anyone, but this still makes me sad. :(

He's worth more than a sixth. They should not have gone cheap on his contract. He's very versatile, can play up to 3 spots and did a solid job filling in. Not a good deal.
SoCal ... do not underestimate the input that Alex Gibbs had on this, and the potential that this seignals more of the Shanahan change in O-Line philosophy I've been talking about lately. Alex Gibbs indoubtedly had a big say in this decisuion, and if If Gibbs likes him this much - then Myers must be very well suited to the Alex Gibbs/slash/Prototype Bronco O-lineman role. And seeing that he is, it's a good bet Shanahan really has changed his philosophy in this area.

[~Crash~]

Sorry for the confusion. BrewCrew's link was better than mine:

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...ade-for-myers/

TEXANS TRADE FOR MYERS
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 17, 2008, 3:59 p.m.
Adam Schefter of NFL Network is reporting that the Denver Broncos have traded restricted free-agent offensive lineman Chris Myers to the Houston Texans for a sixth-round pick.

Because the Broncos had tendered Myers at the sixth-round level, the trade works out essentially the same way as it would have if Myers had signed an offer sheet with the Texans and the Broncos had declined to match the offer. John McClain of the Houston Chronicle reports that the Texans wanted to get the deal done easily and quickly, which is why they worked it out as a trade, rather than a free-agent signing.

Myers, who has played his entire three-year career for the Broncos (including 2005, when Texans coach Gary Kubiak was the offensive coordinator), is versatile enough to play either guard or center. The Texans are expected to play him at center.

Myers signed a four-year, $11 million contract that includes $3 million guaranteed.


People ask Why I will tell you why So there was not a fire sale on Myers this was done so another team did not come in and scoop him up .

[BroncoBuff]

As much a wild-eyed Buffalo as I am ... I hadn't thought Fenton was much to get excited about.

[wolf754life]

its great, must be right? shannahan did it, so it has got to be the correct move! long live bustohan!

[footstepsfrom#27]

This O-line is gonne be swiss cheese. I pity poor Cutler.

[Punisher]

This O-line is gonne be swiss cheese. I pity poor Cutler.

Damn man at least wait till the draft..Your jumping the gun saying stuff like that:thanku:

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This O-line is gonne be swiss cheese. I pity poor Cutler.

Welcome to my nightmare.

[Atlas]

Damn man at least wait till the draft..Your jumping the gun saying stuff like that:thanku:

That's just footsteps. He's a broken record.

[24champ]

This message is hidden because Bob's your retard is on ignore.

[Punisher]

LMAO he just said welcome to my nightmare..I think Bobs becoming a Broncos fan right before are very eyes

[footstepsfrom#27]

That's just footsteps. He's a broken record.
Right...because we all know rookies perform well in the offensive line huh? We have nobody to replace Lepsis with except a 3rd round pick who hasn't even seen the field and comes with the "soft" rep. Hamilton and Nalen are almost done if not done already. We just jetisoned our most versitile lineman for a pick that probably won't make the team, Kuper has one year's experience and nobody will mistake Eric Pears for Gary Zimmerman.

My bad...nothing to worry about here.

I told you guys last year that we needed to draft O-line guys, specifically an OT to replace Lepsis with...and most of you said that was crazy that we were just fine.

How crazy does it look now?

[BroncoInferno]

This O-line is gonne be swiss cheese. I pity poor Cutler.

God you're a whiny bitch.

[maher_tyler]

I'm thinking we take at least 3 OL in this draft with the lack of depth we have there...i also think we'll draft S, LB, DT, WR, K mostly for depth. I don't expect much more than a 10-6 season at best...so far we haven't done anything about the DL or the OL in free agency...its ovbious we're building for the future and we're doing it through the draft. I'm hoping we pick up a decent DT in free agency or our run D will look just as it did last year with champ always having to look into the back field getting beat on play action and beat up having to tackle RB's. Also with having to put 8 in the box...could be a long 08 season!!

[footstepsfrom#27]

God you're a whiny b****.
Reality sucks don't it?

[Killericon]

Reality sucks don't it?

How about we discuss reality AFTER the draft?

[DukeWoody]

How about we discuss reality AFTER the draft?

Or even better yet...why not wait until after the 4th preseason game before the drama panic button is pushed???

[Atlas]

Right...because we all know rookies perform well in the offensive line huh? We have nobody to replace Lepsis with except a 3rd round pick who hasn't even seen the field and comes with the "soft" rep. Hamilton and Nalen are almost done if not done already. We just jetisoned our most versitile lineman for a pick that probably won't make the team, Kuper has one year's experience and nobody will mistake Eric Pears for Gary Zimmerman.

My bad...nothing to worry about here.

I told you guys last year that we needed to draft O-line guys, specifically an OT to replace Lepsis with...and most of you said that was crazy that we were just fine.

How crazy does it look now?

I'm not saying what your saying this time is necessarily false all that I'm saying is that I know exactly what your going to type before you do. Same negative **** you have been saying the last three years. Broken record.

[cutthemdown]

I don't see why Broncos line would be any worst then last yr but for sure it needs work to get the Broncos back to contenders.

Nalen is the key IMO. He plays line will be decent, he doesn't it won't be any better then last yr. If Hamilton can play then it could actually be better then last yr. Pears had a sophmore slump but I still think he could be decent. The big question will be left tackle not whether we will miss Meyers. It's all about Nalen and LT IMO.

[BroncoInferno]

Reality sucks don't it?

Negativism does not equal realism. You do realize that two quality starters were missing from our line last year and our returning, don't you? Might that not be cause for a smidge of optimism? Just a smidge?

[oubronco]

Negativism does not equal realism. You do realize that two quality starters were missing from our line last year and our returning, don't you? Might that not be cause for a smidge of optimism? Just a smidge?

good point BUT what if one goes down again then who you gonna put in there ?

[Atlas]

good point BUT what if one goes down again then who you gonna put in there ?

If one goes down you put in Kuper

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Negativism does not equal realism. You do realize that two quality starters were missing from our line last year and our returning, don't you? Might that not be cause for a smidge of optimism? Just a smidge?

Your best offensive tackle is an undrafted free agent. Have fun watching Cutler get his brains beat in.

[oubronco]

If one goes down you put in Kuper

then who's your backup an unproven rook that shanny won't play ?

[Punisher]

Ok this is whats going to Happen..Move Pears back to LT,Draft Ryan Clandy move him to RT and your problems solved..

[Popcorn Sutton]

Right...because we all know rookies perform well in the offensive line huh? We have nobody to replace Lepsis with except a 3rd round pick who hasn't even seen the field and comes with the "soft" rep. Hamilton and Nalen are almost done if not done already. We just jetisoned our most versitile lineman for a pick that probably won't make the team, Kuper has one year's experience and nobody will mistake Eric Pears for Gary Zimmerman.

My bad...nothing to worry about here.

I told you guys last year that we needed to draft O-line guys, specifically an OT to replace Lepsis with...and most of you said that was crazy that we were just fine.

How crazy does it look now?


Your posts always come across as a "know it all" or "I told you so" and unfortunately you do sound like a broken record with negativity.

The start of your post here you are bitching that we only have our 3rd round pick from last year to replace Lepsis. Then you go on to say that we should have drafted someone to replace him... ???

They drafted a tackle the highest they've drafted any offensive lineman since *cough* George Foster. Ryan Harris was a top 5 prospect at tackle. I don't know about your "soft" rep. What I saw was Harris being suited up towards the end of last season and that the Broncos were very happy with his progress. They picked up Montrae Holland in free agency. They will surely be drafting one or two more this year and there is still a lot of time to add depth on the O Line through free agency.

[Popcorn Sutton]

Your best offensive tackle is an undrafted free agent. Have fun watching Cutler get his brains beat in.

You really hang on the whole undrafted free agent thing... Do us all a favor and put a little research behind this crap.

Tony Romo, Willie Parker, Ryan Grant, Antonio Gates, Stephen Neal, Cullen Jenkins, Kris Dielman.... all undrafted free agents. The list goes on and on.

When the playoffs kicked off, the 12 playoff teams had 167 undrafted free agents on their roster.

In this weekend’s divisional playoffs, the eight teams have 106 undrafted free agents on their roster.

[TheReverend]

Your best offensive tackle is an undrafted free agent. Have fun watching Cutler get his brains beat in.

...yet despite the rash of injuries that set our line back last season, it was still light years above yours.

Like I said last off-season, and like you refuted like mad until it was painfully obvious how sad a unit it truly was.

[Killericon]

...yet despite the rash of injuries that set our line back last season, it was still light years above yours.

Like I said last off-season, and like you refuted like mad until it was painfully obvious how sad a unit it truly was.

http://wildbillschiefs.com/saga45/mcintosh.jpeg

Sometimes, I lie awake at night, crying over how we didn't sign Damion. HE'S ONLY THE BEST TACKLE EVER, WHY DID MIAMI EVER LET HIM GO?!?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Are you serious?

Damion McIntosh was one of the few bright spots on our offense last year. He'd easily be the best OT on Denver's roster right now.

[Northman]

Are you serious?

Damion McIntosh was one of the few bright spots on our offense last year. He'd easily be the best OT on Denver's roster right now.


LOL Ha! ROFL!

[SureShot]

[QUOTE=Bob's your Fat Bitch;1919972]Your best offensive tackle is an undrafted free agent. QUOTE]

Our best OT the last number of years was an undrafted free agent you toad. And from CU no less.

[TallyBronco]

I told you guys last year that we needed to draft O-line guys, specifically an OT to replace Lepsis with...and most of you said that was crazy that we were just fine.

How crazy does it look now?

Does your real life also include this sort of fantasizing about the past? You're simply wrong: most of us viewed OT as an area of need last year, just not as big of a need as the DL.

But then your lists of needs typically runs across 24 positions, so it's not hard to look back with the see-I-told-you-so story. I say that we have needs at RB, WR, OL, DL, LB, CB, and S. Man, I'm going to look pretty shrewd come this time next year.

[rovolution]

Are you serious?

Damion McIntosh was one of the few bright spots on our offense last year. He'd easily be the best OT on Denver's roster right now.

Is there a thread where we can post Bobos ridiculous quotes?

Add one to the collection

[bcbronc]

the biggest void this deal leaves is an insurance policy if Nalen can't get back to form. it's not always easy for an older guy to bounce back after missing a season. I know Hamilton can move over, but his head has me worried. but the line looks okay moving forward.

LT: Harris and Pears can battle it out. Pears looked at least 100x better as a LT than a RT and Harris has a year of getting healthy and learning the system. it could end up that neither is a long term solution, but they both deserve a look at least.

LG: Hamiltion and Kuper will be battling it out. Personally, I thought Hamiltion's game had begun to slide before the concussion, but I like what Kuper has done. also adds a bit more beef to the interior.

C: if Nalen can't return to form or is injured, we're in tough. Hamilton and Fenton will have to step in, because there is no way we'll see a rookie start at C, barring a tragedy. we should look to add another vet with experience in a zone blocking scheme just in case.

RG: Holland has it locked up.

RT: we'll use our 1st pick to address this, then let Harris, Kuper, and Rook battle it out. it's likely to be a weak spot next season, which means Graham will be staying in to help out again. But hopefully it will be addressed long term in this draft.

then in rounds 4-6 we will probably add another OT and another G/C to start grooming. its definitely a line with some question marks at this point, but thats pretty predictable when you are in the first steps of a rebuild.

[broncocalijohn]

Oskie do you honestly believe that Shanahan would've let this happen if he wasn't that convinced Myers was or wasn't the future at OC in Denver???

Is he convinced then that Nails is going to be healthy and around for a few more years? We were already shifting players to different positions before this move. I must ask now, are we drafting a center in the first few rounds? or is Hamilton penciled in if Nalen cant go? We might have lost a Mane member in Chris' dad but we still have Kuper's pops.

[Beantown Bronco]

I must ask now, are we drafting a center in the first few rounds?

I certainly hope not. The consensus in all the mock draft sites seems to be that this is the worst class of centers in the last few years. None are predicted to go on day one.

[DenverBrit]

Are you serious?

Damion McIntosh was one of the few bright spots on our offense last year. He'd easily be the best OT on Denver's roster right now.


If you say so.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Does your real life also include this sort of fantasizing about the past? You're simply wrong: most of us viewed OT as an area of need last year, just not as big of a need as the DL.

But then your lists of needs typically runs across 24 positions, so it's not hard to look back with the see-I-told-you-so story. I say that we have needs at RB, WR, OL, DL, LB, CB, and S. Man, I'm going to look pretty shrewd come this time next year.
Ok...who are you?

[BroncoInferno]

I told you guys last year that we needed to draft O-line guys, specifically an OT to replace Lepsis with...and most of you said that was crazy that we were just fine.

How crazy does it look now?

We did address OT with Harris. Whether or not you personally like what you've read on the internet regarding him means about ****.

Say what you will about Shanny's success with the draft, but the two areas he's proven to have shrewd ability to find solid players in the mid-to-late rounds is RB and OL. That, of course, does not guarentee that Harris will be a success, but I think Shanny's track record earns the benefit of the doubt for now.

[Inkana7]

Your best offensive tackle is an undrafted free agent. Have fun watching Cutler get his brains beat in.

Our Best WR for 10 years was an undrafted free agent.

Your best RB for 5 years was one too.

[footstepsfrom#27]

We did address OT with Harris. Whether or not you personally like what you've read on the internet regarding him means about ****.

Say what you will about Shanny's success with the draft, but the two areas he's proven to have shrewd ability to find solid players in the mid-to-late rounds is RB and OL. That, of course, does not guarentee that Harris will be a success, but I think Shanny's track record earns the benefit of the doubt for now.
So you're comfortable protecting Cutler's blind side with a 3rd round draft pick who has never started a game in the NFL? I'm betting we'll sign a free agent or make a trade for that spot between now and camp. We haven't run the ball with consistency in several years, and we can't move the ball on the ground in the red zone either. We're small at some spots, old at others and inexperienced elsewhere. Right now the O-line is the biggest area of concern on this team and the entire left side of the line is questionable at best.

We should have moved up in the draft last year to get Levi Brown. Then we could go after another OT in the 1st this year and our line would have the makings of some respectability by next year. As it stands now, we're in serious trouble. If that sounds like negativity, so be it. It's the truth.

[Inkana7]

So you're comfortable protecting Cutler's blind side with a 3rd round draft pick who has never started a game in the NFL? I'm betting we'll sign a free agent or make a trade for that spot between now and camp. We haven't run the ball with consistency in several years, and we can't move the ball on the ground in the red zone either. We're small at some spots, old at others and inexperienced elsewhere. Right now the O-line is the biggest area of concern on this team and the entire left side of the line is questionable at best.

We should have moved up in the draft last year to get Levi Brown. Then we could go after another OT in the 1st this year and our line would have the makings of some respectability by next year. As it stands now, we're in serious trouble. If that sounds like negativity, so be it. It's the truth.

That's doesn't sound like negativity, it sounds like idiocy.

[BroncoInferno]

So you're comfortable protecting Cutler's blind side with a 3rd round draft pick who has never started a game in the NFL? I'm betting we'll sign a free agent or make a trade for that spot between now and camp. We haven't run the ball with consistency in several years, and we can't move the ball on the ground in the red zone either. We're small at some spots, old at others and inexperienced elsewhere. Right now the O-line is the biggest area of concern on this team and the entire left side of the line is questionable at best.

We should have moved up in the draft last year to get Levi Brown. Then we could go after another OT in the 1st this year and our line would have the makings of some respectability by next year. As it stands now, we're in serious trouble. If that sounds like negativity, so be it. It's the truth.

No, it's your opinion. It's interesting how you just make the assumption that Harris is nothing worthwhile, yet want us to draft someone else who would also be unproven (moreso, in fact, since Harris does have a season in the system under his belt)? I'm all for bringing in some competition...in fact, I won't be comfortable unless we do. But let's at least wait until after the draft before the hand-wringing.

Oh, and I love how you say "we should have traded up for Levi Brown" as if all you have to do is want it to happen and it will. He went 10th overall. With needs at DL, would you have been willing to trade away our draft for one guy? Because it would not have been cheap to get from 21 to 10 even if there was a willing partner.

[footstepsfrom#27]

That's doesn't sound like negativity, it sounds like idiocy.
He started 11 games last year. How many did Jarvis Moss start? Brown started 45 game for Paterno in college, and one of the best predictors of early success in the NFL as an offensive lineman is being a 4 year starter in college.

[footstepsfrom#27]

No, it's your opinion. It's interesting how you just make the assumption that Harris is nothing worthwhile, yet want us to draft someone else who would also be unproven (moreso, in fact, since Harris does have a season in the system under his belt)? I'm all for bringing in some competition...in fact, I won't be comfortable unless we do. But let's at least wait until after the draft before the hand-wringing.

Oh, and I love how you say "we should have traded up for Levi Brown" as if all you have to do is want it to happen and it will. He went 10th overall. With needs at DL, would you have been willing to trade away our draft for one guy? Because it would not have been cheap to get from 21 to 10 even if there was a willing partner.
Levi Brown went 5th overall, not 10th...and Denver traded 5 picks to get Moss and Thomas in the D-line. One has injury question marks and one has character questions. Brown will be a solid starter in the NFL for 10 years and that position is vital to Cutler's health.

[elsid13]

Levi Brown went 5th overall, not 10th...and Denver traded 5 picks to get Moss and Thomas in the D-line. One has injury question marks and one has character questions. Brown will be a solid starter in the NFL for 10 years and that position is vital to Cutler's health.

Denver would have to traded most of it picks away to get Brown. He was outside Denver reach last year. There is big difference moving from 20 to 17 and 20 to 5.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

So you're comfortable protecting Cutler's blind side with a 3rd round draft pick who has never started a game in the NFL?

Ryan Harris - the Brodie Croyle of OL prospects? LOL

[BroncoInferno]

Levi Brown went 5th overall, not 10th...and Denver traded 5 picks to get Moss and Thomas in the D-line. One has injury question marks and one has character questions. Brown will be a solid starter in the NFL for 10 years and that position is vital to Cutler's health.

Right, 5th overall. That makes it even more likely, huh? You do realize you have to have a willing partner to make a trade, don't you? You can't just will it. And, even with a willing partner, if you think we had the ammo to get into the top 5 last year, you're a fool. Our entire draft would not have gotten us that high. And we would not have gotten a single DL. Great strategy there, bub.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Denver would have to traded most of it picks away to get Brown. He was outside Denver reach last year. There is big difference moving from 20 to 17 and 20 to 5.
True enough. But we traded away picks to move up for two players that the jury is still very much out on in the D-line, and most people have been OK with that. The fact is we don't really value O-line guys enough to draft them high, so year after year we're faced with playing with over achiever types we have to fit into this system. That works fine when you're the only team running that system, but that's not true anymore. We're now competing with half a dozen other teams for the smallish quick O-line guys who fit our system and teams also see it a lot more. Hence it's effectiveness is now considerably lessened.

[BroncoInferno]

Denver would have to traded most of it picks away to get Brown. He was outside Denver reach last year. There is big difference moving from 20 to 17 and 20 to 5.

Most, hell. It would have taken every pick and probably this years 1st, too. Maybe more. And that's assuming anyone picking 1-4 would have been willing to drop down to #21, which is certainly no gimme.

[elsid13]

I posted this in other thread but I wanted to repost in the thread about Myers

"There was interested press report out of NY that might explain why Denver traded Myers - they need the 6th round draft choice for this deal. See below. -ELSID13

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo...son_are_j.html (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/2008/03/18/2008-03-18_laveranues_coles_dewayne_robertson_are_j.html)
The Jets have been trying to trade Robertson for nearly a month, and they are currently in discussions with the Broncos (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Denver+Broncos). Just yesterday, Denver acquired an extra sixth-round draft pick by trading offensive lineman Chris Myers (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Chris+Myers+(Football)) to the Texans, and they could use that pick in a Robertson trade.

The Broncos are attempting to restructure Robertson's contract, which has two years and $18 million remaining. Robertson's agent, Hadley Engelhard (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Hadley+Engelhard), didn't return calls. GM Mike Tannenbaum (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Mike+Tannenbaum) said recently that he expected Robertson to participate in the program, claiming the Jets still have a role for him even though they traded for nose tackle Kris Jenkins (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Kris+Jenkins), but that was widely viewed as posturing.
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[footstepsfrom#27]

Right, 5th overall. That makes it even more likely, huh? You do realize you have to have a willing partner to make a trade, don't you? You can't just will it. And, even with a willing partner, if you think we had the ammo to get into the top 5 last year, you're a fool. Our entire draft would not have gotten us that high. And we would not have gotten a single DL. Great strategy there, bub.
We don't know right now if we have ANY players who are part of the long term picture for this team from last year's draft. Moss has continued medical issues and has to prove he can stay on the field...Crowder is OK but will he prove to be more than a backup type? Harris is a complete unknown. Thomas' situation is now up in the air with his possible character issues...what's left? Cutler's health is the single most important issue, and right now that's in jeopardy given the state of our O-line. It isn't just Brown I'm talking about. It's the team's reluctance to ever spend high picks in the O-line. Foster is the lone exception and screwing that up has probably left them scared of using a 1st round pick on an offensive lineman now. I hope I'm wrong but I don't see us making the changes we need to make with this philosophy.

[BroncoBuff]

Had we traded up so high last year, the target should have been Patrick Willis, and only Patrick Willis. With Al Wilson gone, Willis would've been the play with a Top-10 pick. We needed (and still need) a defensive leader.

And footsteps, Matt Lepsis was a fixture at LT a year ago ... there's no way we were drafting a LT that high! George Foster was a lesson ...and Shanahan's success at finding quality O-linemen late in the draft and in free agency (Lepsis, Holland, Kuper, Pears, Hamilton, Nalen from Wade's tenure, and going back, Habib, Zimmerman, Tony Jones, Mark Schlereth). No, the lesson of George Foster would rightly make Shanahan gun-shy there.


But your point about trading 5 picks for Moss and Thomas... geez, was it that many? That sounds so bad in retrspect :nono:

[footstepsfrom#27]

Had we traded up so high last year, the target should have been Patrick Willis, and only Patrick Willis. With Al Wilson gone, Willis would've been the play with a Top-10 pick. We needed (and still need) a defensive leader.
I'd have welcomed Willis at the point he was drafted at had we gone that way. What I have a problem with is our year in and year out refusal to draft O-line guys high in the draft because we think we can find them on the junk pile. The game is changing and I don't see this working now.
And footsteps, Matt Lepsis was a fixture at LT a year ago ... there's no way we were drafting a LT that high!
He was a 33 year old guy undergoing significant microfracture knee surgery, something I repeated pointed out made his future a major risk. That turned out to be true, and had we prepared for that last year we'd now have a young, talented, sold starter entrenched at that critical position. Instead we might have to plug in a guy with zero experience there who has not proven he can play in the NFL. You can risk anything on this team except Cutler's health.
George Foster was a lesson ...and Shanahan's success at finding quality O-linemen late in the draft and in free agency (Lepsis, Holland, Kuper, Pears, Hamilton, Nalen from Wade's tenure, and going back, Habib, Zimmerman, Tony Jones, Mark Schlereth). No, the lesson of George Foster would rightly make Shanahan gun-shy there.
I'm not sure what measuring stick you're using here, but Holland, Habib, Zimmerman, Jones and Schlereth were all trades, as you pointed out Nalen was here already...and that leaves Lepsis, Kuper, Pears and Hamilton from your list...only Lepsis is noteworthy from that group. Pears looks like a guy who might or might not be an answer. Kuper dissapointed at times last year but stuck. Hamilton is probably done and he's to small to pass block big interior linemen. Nalen (old & injured) is surely nearly finished. We need a complete overhall of the O-line with size, talent and youth. It will probably take three years to do that.

[Atwater His Ass]

I would conceed that our over-all value for OL needs to improve. We aren't always going to be able to find low round guys / UDFA to come in here and produce or be able to aquire FA talent like Zimmerman.

[elsid13]

I would conceed that our over-all value for OL needs to improve. We aren't always going to be able to find low round guys / UDFA to come in here and produce or be able to aquire FA talent like Zimmerman.

Zimmerman is HOF, it hard for any team to find that type of talent.

[Atwater His Ass]

Zimmerman is HOF, it hard for any team to find that type of talent.

Mark Schlereth, Harry Swanye, Tony Jones, Brian Habib, and maybe our best lineman last season Holland. We didn't draft any of those guys.

[Ray Finkle]

look at it this way, there are several good C prospects in the draft (not world beaters but good ones). Would you rather fork over a late round pick and have them learn for a year behind Nalen. Or overpay Myers to sit the bench?