Who are you scared we will draft?

[Kaylore]

For me it's Keith Rivers and Desean Jackson.

[brncs_fan]

Desean Jackson or Kenny Phillips.

[Kaylore]

Desean Jackson or Kenny Phillips.

I don't like Kenny Phillips especially at 12 either but I have serious doubts the Broncos will choose him there, so the fear isn't there. If we do, expect me to Garcia on my computer.

[brncs_fan]

I don't like Kenny Phillips especially at 12 either but I have serious doubts the Broncos will choose him there, so the fear isn't there. If we do, expect me to Garcia on my computer.

I don't think it will happen either. But the absolute waste that would occur though is enough to keep me frightend.

[Caligula]

I will absolutely scream in disappointment if we use the first pick on deshaun jackson

[Los Broncos]

Jackson

[CHANGSTER]

I actually had a dream a while back where we drafted Stewart at 12. After a while of justifying it in my head, I was still pissed. The mane went nuts. On second thought it was more of a nightmare.

[Killericon]

Any WR on Day 1.

[RhymesayersDU]

Who IS Desean Jackson? I just don't follow college ball too closely, is this like a top-WR, or somebody who has a lot of hype or what.

[brncs_fan]

Who IS Desean Jackson? I just don't follow college ball too closely, is this like a top-WR, or somebody who has a lot of hype or what.

He is the next Steve Smith!

[Arkie]

Who IS Desean Jackson? I just don't follow college ball too closely, is this like a top-WR, or somebody who has a lot of hype or what.

169 lb WR/RS

[Requiem]

Overrated Sedrick Ellis.

[wabbit]

He is the next Steve Smith!

...or Ricky Natiel

I believe Jim Goodman will add some sobriety to the Bronco draft planning, so I'm hopeful Denver won't take a flyer on DeSean Jackson, but I can't get over this sickly feeling they will.

[Rohirrim]

Overrated Sedrick Ellis.

Overrated? Ha! I say Desean (The Next Dante Hall!) Jackson.

[DBBBSBS]

desean jackson or sedrick ellis - yuckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk

[CBF1]

Put me down for DJ

I would take Ellis at 12 and call it a great draft.

[Triplelefthook]

DeSean Jackson. I would be very disappointed with a RB or Kenny Phillips

[rovolution]

Jackson.


But knowing Shanny can be tempted by speed, im feeling quite worried.

[Doggcow]

Anyone not named Sedrick Ellis, Clady, Or a high choice that falls for whatever reason.

[BowlenBall]

1. DeSean Jackson (would become the NFL's lightest man, I believe)
2. Jeff Otah (looked very sloppy at the combine, slow-footed)
3. Matt Ryan (I think our current starter might be better)

[Dedhed]

Darren McFaider. This chicken legged weakling would be in the doghouse in week 2 for not blocking and some off field issue.

Are you Sedrick Ellis folks for real?

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Overrated Sedrick Ellis.

Agree - He's a 3/4 NT

[theAPAOps5]

I am scared we will draft a project player in the 4th. One of those bad kids who get their chance to come to the Big Brothers Dove Valley Chapter and learn to interact with other troubled players. Its going to happen it always does.

[SpringStein]

I'd love to hear the rationale from the anti-Sedrick Ellis crowd. Not that we will have to worry - I think he'll be top 5.

Just curious...

[oubronco]

I think the mane will FREAK no matter who they draft

[Rohirrim]

I'd love to hear the rationale from the anti-Sedrick Ellis crowd. Not that we will have to worry - I think he'll be top 5.

Just curious...

These are the guys who wouldn't go out with Jessica Alba if they went to pick her up and noticed that she had a pimple.

[Mediator12]

OMG. DEN has ZERO at DT and people would be pissed at one of the only NFL ready DT's in the WHOLE DRAFT.

WOW! Ellis is a NT with the ability to Pass rush even when double teamed. Who would ever want a complete NT ??? Evidently, everyone thinks 150+ running yards a game is a good thing ;D

[montrose]

Jackson seems like the easy choice, but I wouldn't consider it the end of the world if he's picked. I'm much more scared that the Broncos are going to reach on an OT or DT to fill a need.

I'm most fearful we're going to deal picks for Robertson.

[MVP-06]

Jackson/Phillips

[no-pseudo-fan]

I Will die if we draft Jackson at 12. I am also terrified of drafting another DE at 12.

[ayjackson]

The 12 hole is a horrid spot, really. The best fits - Dorsey, Ellis, Clady - will be long gone. I'm not sold on Chris Williams due to his run blocking. The best player available will be one or more of Leodis McKelvin (CB), Dominique Rodgers-Crowmartie (CB), Mike Jenkins (CB), Derrick Harvey (DE) and Rashard Mendenhall (RB).

I hope we can trade down to a team looking for Harvey, Mendenhall or an elite corner. If we can't trade out, I'd probably take McKelvin.

[Northman]

Any WR on Day 1.

I would go further and say any WR or RB on Day 1.

[crowebomber]

Any WR on Day 1.

Ditto.

[nickademus]

Desean Jackson or Kenny Phillips.

I will definately puke if we pick either of these to guys. Then I will wonder if shannahan should be allowed to make these type of decisions. I will have to join the sundquist bandwagon if we draft like this.

[Bronco LB 59]

I am surprised nobody has mentioned Kentwan Balmer.

[Inkana7]

DeSean "The Twig" Jackson.

[Inkana7]

Agree - He's a 3/4 NT

At 298? You serious?

[Requiem]

These are the guys who wouldn't go out with Jessica Alba if they went to pick her up and noticed that she had a pimple.

No, I'd say that Billy and I are pretty knowledgeable draft guys who don't see the purpose in getting a guy like Sedrick Ellis.

What would you want him to play here, a 3 technique? We already have two of those. I'm under the impression we're looking for a 1 technique to pair next to Thomas so he can play the three, a guy like Robertson. . . perhaps a pseudo-fit like Laws; but more of a guy like Rubin/Harrison somewhere in the draft.

I just don't like Ellis. He's had some lingering injuries, and didn't seem to be ready for the combine. I watched USC play a lot this year, and I honestly wasn't that impressed.

We need guys who can hold their ground at the POA and open up things for everyone else. Another 3-technique would be pointless; unless we're going to go with two attacking defensive tackles and salvage some ground in the running game. I'm under the impression that Slowik's defense isn't like that. I could be wrong though.

No to Ellis, just no.

I'm probably smoking the crack pipe, but I'd take DeSean Jackson before Sedrick Ellis. Heck, Scott Wright has us taking him over Clady and Williams who are both on board after. HEHE.

[ohiobronco2]

Balmer the one season wonder.

[ayjackson]

Balmer the one season wonder.

Just like Harrell last year.....oh wait a sec.

[NFLBRONCO]

What if Denver only likes Long and Clady at OT? Do you expect them to take Williams or Otah at 12 just because its a bigger need I don't.

Then if Clady and Long are the only OT's we would take at 12 are both gone then what?

Everybody says no RB no WR day 1 of 08 draft then WHO? What if we are stuck at 12? What is best value? Do we draft another DE and move him inside? RB imo is best value at 12 if we pass on DT OT.

As far as Desean Jackson I'd take him (Not at 12) we need a huge upgrade on our ST's so I could easily see him as a choice Shanny would make. Jackson is a hard guy to gauge on where he might go.

CB- Might also be best value but, really doubt we'd go this direction with Champ and Bly.

LB- I wouldn't think Denver would burn 12th pick on a LB 42 yeah.

WR- imo no WR is worth a high top 19 pick this year. At 20 or lower it should be considered.

[brncs_fan]

I am surprised nobody has mentioned Kentwan Balmer.

I don't think he is going to go that high. He will fall in somewhere in the 20-25 range.

12 would be a REACH.

[gunns]

Any WR on Day 1.

Exactly what I was going to put.

[gunns]

No, I'd say that Billy and I are pretty knowledgeable draft guys who don't see the purpose in getting a guy like Sedrick Ellis.

What would you want him to play here, a 3 technique? We already have two of those. I'm under the impression we're looking for a 1 technique to pair next to Thomas so he can play the three, a guy like Robertson. . . perhaps a pseudo-fit like Laws; but more of a guy like Rubin/Harrison somewhere in the draft.

I just don't like Ellis. He's had some lingering injuries, and didn't seem to be ready for the combine. I watched USC play a lot this year, and I honestly wasn't that impressed.

We need guys who can hold their ground at the POA and open up things for everyone else. Another 3-technique would be pointless; unless we're going to go with two attacking defensive tackles and salvage some ground in the running game. I'm under the impression that Slowik's defense isn't like that. I could be wrong though.

No to Ellis, just no.

I'm probably smoking the crack pipe, but I'd take DeSean Jackson before Sedrick Ellis. Heck, Scott Wright has us taking him over Clady and Williams who are both on board after. HEHE.

You make a lot of sense in your post as I'm an Ellis fan. But then you blow it all out of the water by saying you'd take Jackson over Ellis. Blah.

[Breaker]

Ashley Lelie or Maurice Clarett :)

[Requiem]

You make a lot of sense in your post as I'm an Ellis fan. But then you blow it all out of the water by saying you'd take Jackson over Ellis. Blah.

To me it's all about immediate impact.

Defensive tackle is one of the positions in which college players struggling when translating to the pros. Very few defensive tackles from last years draft did well.

Jackson can immediately bring impact to our return game, and be a likely contributor as a wide receiver. Also, Goodman (Jim) has stated previously (2005) that they look for impact players with their first round picks, from what they can do as a starter early on and what they can do from a special teams perspective.

Jackson just screams "Pick me Denver" and I'm not going to get my feathers ruffled if we do. I like Jackson; he's a gamer. A gamer with an attitude, but whatever. We need help at KR/PR and at WR; kill two birds with one stone.

Now, I can be hated here. :(

[Rohirrim]

No, I'd say that Billy and I are pretty knowledgeable draft guys who don't see the purpose in getting a guy like Sedrick Ellis.

What would you want him to play here, a 3 technique? We already have two of those. I'm under the impression we're looking for a 1 technique to pair next to Thomas so he can play the three, a guy like Robertson. . . perhaps a pseudo-fit like Laws; but more of a guy like Rubin/Harrison somewhere in the draft.

I just don't like Ellis. He's had some lingering injuries, and didn't seem to be ready for the combine. I watched USC play a lot this year, and I honestly wasn't that impressed.

We need guys who can hold their ground at the POA and open up things for everyone else. Another 3-technique would be pointless; unless we're going to go with two attacking defensive tackles and salvage some ground in the running game. I'm under the impression that Slowik's defense isn't like that. I could be wrong though.

No to Ellis, just no.

I'm probably smoking the crack pipe, but I'd take DeSean Jackson before Sedrick Ellis. Heck, Scott Wright has us taking him over Clady and Williams who are both on board after. HEHE.

Knowledgeable? I doubt there is a scout in the NFL that would agree with you. Jackson over Ellis? Ha! Jackson is the next Dante Hall. Great for a year or two of returns and then? Pffft. Ellis will be a twelve year Dline keystone on some team. I don't know which USC games you watched. Must be the one or two I missed. What I saw was a guy who either got double teamed or got in the backfield. A guy who went full out on every single snap. Who gives a **** about 1,2,3 technique? That's chalkboard crap. I would line him up and tell him, "Blow up the inside of their line and sack their QB." Let's meet here next year where we can discuss Sedrick's DROY selection. :rofl:

[Requiem]

Knowledgeable?

Um, yeah. Well, I'd like to think so. I think even those who disagree with me on Ellis would probably think so as well. Most seem to appreciate my thoughts on the draft and prospects in general.

I doubt there is a scout in the NFL that would agree with you. Jackson over Ellis? Ha!

Why don't you ask the hundreds of them that exist and get a poll going? Even if it's only one scout, I'd still win.

Jackson is the next Dante Hall. Great for a year or two of returns and then? Pffft.

It's very easy to look at the size of a player and what one has done in the NFL and pin that on a prospect like DeSean Jackson. I don't think I need to be the one to tell you that there's a big difference between Jackson and Hall's receiving skills. Jackson would contribute as a receiver as well.

Ellis will be a twelve year Dline keystone on some team. I don't know which USC games you watched. Must be the one or two I missed. What I saw was a guy who either got double teamed or got in the backfield. A guy who went full out on every single snap.

Defensive tackle is such an ambiguous position to judge. Players take a while to translate what they did in college to the NFL. Some can do it, some don't. Could Ellis be a great defensive tackle? Absolutely! Could he suck? Absolutely. Depends on where he goes, and I don't think he's a great defensive tackle in Denver; not on a defense that consistently changes defensive plans, coordinators and schemes like underwear. Through him in a Tampa 2; (Indy, Bucs, etc.) and I think he's a Pro-Bowler, not sure if he is here though.

Who gives a **** about 1,2,3 technique? That's chalkboard crap. I would line him up and tell him, "Blow up the inside of their line and sack their QB."

Well, obviously coaches and scouts care, otherwise emphasis wouldn't be placed on it.

Let's meet here next year where we can discuss Sedrick's DROY selection. :rofl:

Doubt it. I'd even put money on it. It'll be a linebacker, guarantee it. How much do you want to bed? A hundred? Two? Five? Whatever you want.

[Northman]

To me it's all about immediate impact.

Defensive tackle is one of the positions in which college players struggling when translating to the pros. Very few defensive tackles from last years draft did well.

Jackson can immediately bring impact to our return game, and be a likely contributor as a wide receiver. Also, Goodman (Jim) has stated previously (2005) that they look for impact players with their first round picks, from what they can do as a starter early on and what they can do from a special teams perspective.

Jackson just screams "Pick me Denver" and I'm not going to get my feathers ruffled if we do. I like Jackson; he's a gamer. A gamer with an attitude, but whatever. We need help at KR/PR and at WR; kill two birds with one stone.

Now, I can be hated here. :(


I dont hate you and im not sure i wouldnt be disappointed with Jackson. But i do think Denver can get another gamer later on in Eddie Royal. Unfortuantely, this team needs other areas addressed first in my opinion and taking Jackson that high to me isnt really the right thing to do. But if it happens i will roll with it as i do like Jackson's return ability. Watching what he did to Tennesse earlier last year was flat out amazing. People do tend to forget how much of an impact Hester is and what he did to us last year.

[Arkie]

Darren McFaider. This chicken legged weakling would be in the doghouse in week 2 for not blocking and some off field issue.

Are you Sedrick Ellis folks for real?

D-Mac is a good physical blocker, and his yards after contact are one of his strengths.

[ohiobronco2]

Just like Harrell last year.....oh wait a sec.

Are you talking about the 3rd stringer for Green Bay with no sacks and only 16 tackles on the year???

[Requiem]

I dont hate you and im not sure i wouldnt be disappointed with Jackson. But i do think Denver can get another gamer later on in Eddie Royal. Unfortuantely, this team needs other areas addressed first in my opinion and taking Jackson that high to me isnt really the right thing to do. But if it happens i will roll with it as i do like Jackson's return ability. Watching what he did to Tennesse earlier last year was flat out amazing. People do tend to forget how much of an impact Hester is and what he did to us last year.

I'd be more comfortable taking Royal say at #42 than Jackson at #12; but Shanahan's been looking for a return guy for a while; so I can see him getting giddy and pulling the trigger early on a guy like DeSean. The Broncos adored Hester and Jones-Drew; but both were taken before their selection(s) in the second round of that draft. [I believe.] Both were good returners.

Believe me, Jackson isn't even a top five guy for me at #12; but I'd understand the selection.

Say Jackson was on our team last year, I think we at least win a game or two more due to field position (from his returning ability) and probably do better offensively with him being an effective slot option.

I just hope we get more picks; as long as the players we draft fit needs and are recognizable; I'll be okay.

[Inkana7]

Are you talking about the 3rd stringer for Green Bay with no sacks and only 16 tackles on the year???

Marcus Thomas led our DTs with 20 tackles..

[nickademus]

Ashley Lelie or Maurice Clarett :)

just for that you should have endure a rash in a very uncomfertable place.

[gunns]

To me it's all about immediate impact.

Defensive tackle is one of the positions in which college players struggling when translating to the pros. Very few defensive tackles from last years draft did well.

Jackson can immediately bring impact to our return game, and be a likely contributor as a wide receiver. Also, Goodman (Jim) has stated previously (2005) that they look for impact players with their first round picks, from what they can do as a starter early on and what they can do from a special teams perspective.

Jackson just screams "Pick me Denver" and I'm not going to get my feathers ruffled if we do. I like Jackson; he's a gamer. A gamer with an attitude, but whatever. We need help at KR/PR and at WR; kill two birds with one stone.

Now, I can be hated here. :(

LOL no hatred just discussion. I think Shanahan gets narrow focus when a team beats the Broncos. We saw it with Indy and trying to find that CB that would save us from Peyton without truly upgrading the DL and safety positions. Now if he goes with Jackson purely for the ST aspect hoping for another Hester, I call him a fool. Even if he could also be a WR. Hester beat us because we arrogantly kept kicking to him. Otherwise we had that game. I do agree we need help on ST's and a Hester type returner would be awesome. But I find Ellis much more of a need and one that could start in his first season.

[Inkana7]

LOL no hatred just discussion. I think Shanahan gets narrow focus when a team beats the Broncos. We saw it with Indy and trying to find that CB that would save us from Peyton without truly upgrading the DL and safety positions. Now if he goes with Jackson purely for the ST aspect hoping for another Hester, I call him a fool. Even if he could also be a WR. Hester beat us because we arrogantly kept kicking to him. Otherwise we had that game. I do agree we need help on ST's and a Hester type returner would be awesome. But I find Ellis much more of a need and one that could start in his first season.

"Arrogantly kicking to him" got us a fumble recovery and some nice ST stuffs on Hester before the first return. After that, the question is, "Can he do it again? We stuffed him before that.."

[Rohirrim]

Um, yeah. Well, I'd like to think so. I think even those who disagree with me on Ellis would probably think so as well. Most seem to appreciate my thoughts on the draft and prospects in general.



Why don't you ask the hundreds of them that exist and get a poll going? Even if it's only one scout, I'd still win.



It's very easy to look at the size of a player and what one has done in the NFL and pin that on a prospect like DeSean Jackson. I don't think I need to be the one to tell you that there's a big difference between Jackson and Hall's receiving skills. Jackson would contribute as a receiver as well.



Defensive tackle is such an ambiguous position to judge. Players take a while to translate what they did in college to the NFL. Some can do it, some don't. Could Ellis be a great defensive tackle? Absolutely! Could he suck? Absolutely. Depends on where he goes, and I don't think he's a great defensive tackle in Denver; not on a defense that consistently changes defensive plans, coordinators and schemes like underwear. Through him in a Tampa 2; (Indy, Bucs, etc.) and I think he's a Pro-Bowler, not sure if he is here though.



Well, obviously coaches and scouts care, otherwise emphasis wouldn't be placed on it.



Doubt it. I'd even put money on it. It'll be a linebacker, guarantee it. How much do you want to bed? A hundred? Two? Five? Whatever you want.

You got a bet. A hundred bucks that a LB is not DROY next season - 2008/09.

[ohiobronco2]

Marcus Thomas led our DTs with 20 tackles..

Yes, but do we want to use our DTs as a measuring stick for great NFL players. :) Balmer has had one good season in a confernce that is nowhere near elite. Harrell atleast played against quality opponents in the SEC. We need to hit a homerun on one of the lines with our first pick, not reach for talent that could be had in round 2 (Bryant, Moore).

[That One Guy]

You got a bet. A hundred bucks that a LB is not DROY next season - 2008/09.

You do realize what position 7 of the last 8 DROY played, right? I'm willing to bet it wasn't due to superior LB talent those 7 years. Probably something about the game translating easier... Kinda like if you look at the list and the number of times RB has won OROY.

If you just wanna give away money, I'll send you my address. Send as much as you'd like.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I'd love to hear the rationale from the anti-Sedrick Ellis crowd. Not that we will have to worry - I think he'll be top 5.

Just curious...

Like I said - He is a 3/4 NT not a 4/3 tackle

[That One Guy]

Like I said - He is a 3/4 NT not a 4/3 tackle

But at the end of the day, if they want Marcus Thomas to assume an UT type of role, a NT would fit fine.

Also, isn't he touted for his push and ability to beat blockers? It seems NTs are almost exclusively just mountains of men that don't move backwards, rarely complemented for their ability to generate push forward.

[Punisher]

I can't be really scared because i don't know the outcome..I'm not going to go all Philadelphia on someone an "BOO" them for no reason.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Just like Harrell last year.....oh wait a sec.

Hope you were being sarcastic. Harrell was the best DL in the SEC as a Junior - before he tore his bicep as a Senior.

I watched every SC game in 2006 and 2007. Ellis was never dominate. did he put out at the Senior bowl - yes. Is he the the next Nogata or the next Allan Branch?

[Rohirrim]

You do realize what position 7 of the last 8 DROY played, right? I'm willing to bet it wasn't due to superior LB talent those 7 years. Probably something about the game translating easier... Kinda like if you look at the list and the number of times RB has won OROY.

If you just wanna give away money, I'll send you my address. Send as much as you'd like.

Shhh. Gholston or Chris Long is going to win it.

[Harvitz81]

Shhh. Gholston or Chris Long is going to win it.

If Gholston or Long end up in a 3-4 they will be considered LBs.....

[ayjackson]

Hope you were being sarcastic. Harrell was the best DL in the SEC as a Junior - before he tore his bicep as a Senior.

I watched every SC game in 2006 and 2007. Ellis was never dominate. did he put out at the Senior bowl - yes. Is he the the next Nogata or the next Allan Branch?


Someone called Balmer a one year wonder. I made reference to Harrell. I don't believe either to be one year wonders, though I realize Harrell had the biceps injury and not inconsistency to account for his senior year. I was not referring to Ellis at all.

[Rohirrim]

If Gholston or Long end up in a 3-4 they will be considered LBs.....

I'll get a lawyer. ;D

I guess it's moot now, anyway. Req isn't getting back to me.

[TheReverend]

If Gholston or Long end up in a 3-4 they will be considered LBs.....

Gholston yes, but I think Long is going to end up a 3-4 DE.

[jmz313]

Deshawn Jackson will not make it to 12 so don't worry. The bills will take him at 11.

[Arkie]

I don't get why Sedrick Ellis is NT and not a 4/3 tackle. Compared to other interior linemen, he's smallish, quick, and good at sacking the QB.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Too short, with short arms to be a penatrating DT. by the end of camp he will be 6'0" and 335#

[elsid13]

If Gholston or Long end up in a 3-4 they will be considered LBs.....

Long played DE in pro style 3/4 all through college. And his coach @ UVA is one of the Tuna's Boy, I doubt he plays with hand off the ground.

[ayjackson]

Long played DE in pro style 3/4 all through college. And his coach @ UVA is one of the Tuna's Boy, I doubt he plays with hand off the ground.

That 3-4 was a peculiar looking one for Pro football fans that employed a 5 technique, where the DEs lined up outside the offensive tackles. This technique is more comparable to a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB at the Pro level than a 3-4 DE.

[U4EA]

I don't want to see us reach for an O-lineman (And I'm aware of the man-love for the O-linemen around here!) if and when Clady and Long are gone. I hate Jackson's little frame and big 'tude but he will be a star in the NFL...probably. I prefer Manningham. Ellis will also be a star in the NFL next year or down the road but he'll have held up someone else's #1 jersey and grinned a long time before we come along. The lights have dimmed on Kenny Phillips. Stewart? Maybe. I'm going to join the Trade Down camp. If we could get a combination of 3 or 4 of Chris Williams/Mario Manningham/Pat Sims/DeJuan Morgan/Dan ConnorTrevor Laws/James Hardy.

[Broncoman13]

For me it's Keith Rivers and Desean Jackson.

Not sure if you mean in the first round or at any point in the draft... I'll guess that you're talking first round b/c I'd take either of your two at #42 and be happy!

At #12 I'm scared we'll draft Limas Sweed.

I was scared we'd draft Kenny Phillips but I think he's fallen enough that we don't have to worry about that now!