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03-07-2008, 10:45 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/ci_8483272

Oft-ignored Wyoming has its moment
By David Olinger
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 03/07/2008 08:11:33 AM MST


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But they've been largely ignored by every presidential candidate for 20 years.

All that changes today. Suddenly Wyoming matters again. Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton are both holding rallies in the state today, on the eve of the state caucuses Saturday.

The race is extremely tight. Wyoming is all alone on the weekend Democratic schedule. And though its caucuses will choose only a dozen of the 4,000 Democratic delegates — in a state where the last two Democratic presidential nominees pulled less than 30 percent of the general election vote — Wyoming suddenly finds itself in the national spotlight.

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is rising after big wins in Texas and Ohio. Obama needs to start a new string of state triumphs.
So for Democrats from Cheyenne to Jackson Hole, happy days are here again. At least for a couple of days.

"This is great," said state party chairman John Millin. "People are just thrilled. It's the talk of the town, for sure."

In 1988, Wyoming was the first caucus state after the New Hampshire primary, and seven Democratic contenders fanned through the state in search of supporters.

"All of the major candidates were here," recalled Muffy Moore, the state party chair that year. "Michael Dukakis, Dick Gephardt and Al Gore had offices here."

It has been a lonely two decades since. Aside from a speech Bill Clinton gave at an airport hangar in Cheyenne in 1992, Democrats here cannot remember seeing a single leading contender.

Thursday afternoon, Bill Clinton was back, this time to promote his wife's candidacy.

At the University of Wyoming in Laramie, thousands of people braved icy winds and waited in long lines outside a campus arena to hear the former president speak. He answered with a speech that held them rapt even as he ranged from his wife's plans for universal health care to her plans for creating a technology that could burn Wyoming coal without generating greenhouse gases. In memory of Matthew Shepard, a gay University of Wyoming student who was murdered in 1998, he also pledged that as president, Hillary Clinton would see federal hate-crime legislation become law.

He asked everyone in the audience to raise a hand if they knew someone without health care, and nearly everyone did.

"This is the only wealthy country in the world where you would get that response," he said.

In asking Wyoming to support "my wife, my senator and my candidate for president," he asserted that "she is better prepared to be president than I was in 1992."

Wyoming, he said, "led the nation with women's suffrage. You might as well lead the nation with a woman president."

Some Wyoming Democrats say they haven't enjoyed so much attention since 1960, when they gave John F. Kennedy the votes he needed to win the nomination on the convention floor.

Mike Vinich, now 84, was a Kennedy delegate that year. He had known Kennedy during World War II, when "I jumped on his PT boat with a wounded Marine," he recalled.

Nearly two decades later, he had his chance to repay "the man who saved my life." The floor belonged to Wyoming, Kennedy needed 13 delegates to clinch the nomination, and "we had 15 delegate votes," Vinich said.

He said he hollered at his fellow delegates to put Kennedy over the top until the delegation chairman abruptly "gave all 15 votes, didn't even take a head count. The balloons went down, the band went up."

This weekend, as Wyoming Democrats once again get a moment in the spotlight, Democrats are bracing for record turnout at caucuses that, in some years past, had more delegates to elect than people who showed up.

"It has been so exciting," said state Rep. Mary Gilmore, one of 17 Democrats in Wyoming's 60-member House. In Cheyenne, she said, Democrats had to switch from a building that holds 200 people to one than can hold 2,000.

"They didn't expect the turnout, the registration, the young people involved," she said.

Obama has won most of the Western states and nearly all the caucus states. But Gilmore, a Clinton supporter, said she thinks Clinton might surprise some people in Wyoming.

"After Clinton's victories in Texas and Ohio, there's new momentum," she said. "She's on task. My flagging hope is revived."

David Olinger: 303-954-1498 or dolinger@denverpost.com

Spider
03-07-2008, 10:53 AM
yeah . hip hip hooray ...... I was going ot go but decided to wah my truck instead .....we got our own authority , our name on the door , so I have to look good and all ;D

Spider
03-07-2008, 10:56 AM
Actually , all kidding aside , I will be shocked as hell if Obama wins Wyoming ...... it could happen , but alot of folks up here are open racist

footstepsfrom#27
03-07-2008, 11:06 AM
12 delegates? LOL

Bronco Bob
03-07-2008, 11:08 AM
Actually , all kidding aside , I will be shocked as hell if Obama wins Wyoming ...... it could happen , but alot of folks up here are open racist

He won Idaho. Think about it. The majority of the people in these states
are Republicans. That's why they are called red states. All the racists
have long since fled the Democratic party for the Republican party.
So who is left that are Democrats in these states? The wild eyed left wing
hippie freaks. Precisely the kind of people who vote for Obama.
I look to Obama to win Wyoming by something like 75% to 12% for Hillary.
(The rest will probably vote for Timothy Leary.)

Spider
03-07-2008, 11:09 AM
He won Idaho. Think about it. The majority of the people in these states
are Republicans. That's why they are called red states. All the racists
have long since fled the Democratic party for the Republican party.
So who is left that are Democrats in these states? The wild eyed left wing
hippie freaks. Precisely the kind of people who vote for Obama.
I look to Obama to win Wyoming by something like 75% to 12% for Hillary.
(The rest will probably vote for Timothy Leary.)

LOL . ok ...

footstepsfrom#27
03-07-2008, 11:15 AM
The wild eyed left wing
hippie freaks. Precisely the kind of people who vote for Obama.
That's me allright...Hilarious!

Spider
03-07-2008, 11:29 AM
12 delegates? LOL

And I am raising 6 of them ;D

Spider
03-07-2008, 11:34 AM
He won Idaho. Think about it. The majority of the people in these states
are Republicans. That's why they are called red states. All the racists
have long since fled the Democratic party for the Republican party.
So who is left that are Democrats in these states? The wild eyed left wing
hippie freaks. Precisely the kind of people who vote for Obama.
I look to Obama to win Wyoming by something like 75% to 12% for Hillary.
(The rest will probably vote for Timothy Leary.)

Here is the thing ..... Fuel prices and Healthcare , wyoming is pretty spread out , it is very commen to find someone that has to commute 100 miles a day or better , very few fuel stops , fuel prices outside of the major citys here are a huge problem , most remember Bill Clinton and fuel prices being around .98 cent a gallon .....
Healthcare is also huge , we dont have many people here covered , but whats worse is , we dont have many qualified doctors are modern equipment .... as it is right now , if you have ababy 4 weeks early , your ass is being shipped to Denver .... They are building a new hospitial out on second street extentsion , that canhandle alot of problems , but now we have ot staff it ... People in Idaho are flat out Idiots , far worse then Wyoming .....

footstepsfrom#27
03-07-2008, 11:35 AM
And I am raising 6 of them ;D
I hope it's not winner take all...:yayaya:

Spider
03-07-2008, 11:42 AM
Lol ....

TDmvp
03-07-2008, 05:57 PM
He won Idaho. Think about it. The majority of the people in these states
are Republicans. That's why they are called red states. All the racists
have long since fled the Democratic party for the Republican party.
So who is left that are Democrats in these states? The wild eyed left wing
hippie freaks. Precisely the kind of people who vote for Obama.
I look to Obama to win Wyoming by something like 75% to 12% for Hillary.
(The rest will probably vote for Timothy Leary.)

West Virgina , mostly Dem , mostly racists ... = Robert Byrd ....
I would be ashamed to live in that state if i voted for that guy , and so glad i don't live there period ...

jhat01
03-07-2008, 06:10 PM
What's the price of land out there? per acre if you know off the top of your head. In Wy I mean.

Spider
03-07-2008, 07:12 PM
What's the price of land out there? per acre if you know off the top of your head. In Wy I mean.

gone out the roof .Used to be cheap . but be warned , you can only be a surface owner here ..... even if you find old coins on your property , the state has claim to it ........... If I knew back then , what I know now . no way in hell do I buy here ....... if I find anything of value , I will wrapp it up , but it in my Suburban drive to Colorado , throw it on the ground , then shout , Hey look what I found .........

ak1971
03-07-2008, 07:15 PM
whew..thought this was going to be a thread about Spider and a toilet

Spider
03-07-2008, 07:17 PM
whew..thought this was going to be a thread about Spider and a toilet

you have some twisted fantasies .But I dont judge

ak1971
03-07-2008, 07:20 PM
oh..moment not movement

gunns
03-07-2008, 10:53 PM
He won Idaho. Think about it. The majority of the people in these states
are Republicans. That's why they are called red states. All the racists
have long since fled the Democratic party for the Republican party.
So who is left that are Democrats in these states? The wild eyed left wing
hippie freaks. Precisely the kind of people who vote for Obama.
I look to Obama to win Wyoming by something like 75% to 12% for Hillary.
(The rest will probably vote for Timothy Leary.)

He won Utah by a landslide also. Of course people in Utah are more apt to be fine with a black person being President but they're not letting a woman out of the kitchen.

fido
03-08-2008, 11:24 AM
wyoming people have guns, untill there is a democratic candidate that believes in gun rights, this state will always vote republican. and wyoming democrats are right wing republicans anywhere else.....something to remember

Spider
03-08-2008, 11:32 AM
wyoming people have guns, untill there is a democratic candidate that believes in gun rights, this state will always vote republican. and wyoming democrats are right wing republicans anywhere else.....something to remember

Wyoming is a transiate state , specially along the I 80 corridor ..the pulse of this state changes alot ......The race will depend on people from Sheridan to Jackson Hole , teton villiage etc ........ if they swing for Obama Hillary doesnt stand a chance , or vice versa ....

SoCalBronco
03-08-2008, 12:39 PM
Apparently Spider was really persuasive at his caucus.....since CNN is showing these results so far with 17% of caucuses reporting:

Obama 216
Clinton 198
Foneco 1

Spider
03-08-2008, 07:21 PM
Looks like I was wrong Obama won