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Killericon
03-07-2008, 06:34 AM
Maybe I missed a post in another thread, but I was looking at NFL.com, and stumbled across this blurb.

Boss Bailey will play strong side linebacker in Denver, and D.J. Williams will move back to the weak side after a year in the middle. (http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=09000d5d80711686&template=with-video&confirm=true)

Does anyone have any idea where they got that, or is it just speculation on their part?

If true, then this kind of warps my preconceptions of where we're going in the offseason. The only MLBs we have on roster are Beck, Webster and Niko...Maybe we will go with an MLB on day one. Thoughts?

Drek
03-07-2008, 06:48 AM
I'm betting we go best LB available on day one, assuming we can trade back from #12, and then we'll have Winborn, Niko, and the rook compete to see who gets to start, DJ fills the gap.

JCMElway
03-07-2008, 07:00 AM
I doubt the validity of this article, and I doubt we go LB day one. It'll probably be Winborn at WILL, DJ at MIKE, and BOSS at SAM.

That being said, it will be an open competition, and if Niko or Webster impresses they may have a shot to start.

Ray Finkle
03-07-2008, 07:02 AM
wasn't is said in the Niko article that he would be the Mike and DJ would move to the Will?

Man-Goblin
03-07-2008, 08:02 AM
Maybe I missed the announcement too, but this article talks about it like common knowledge. It also talks as if Niko has already been anointed starting middle linebaker.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8483244

Broncoman13
03-07-2008, 08:03 AM
I wonder how DJ feels about all this? I've been concerned for a couple years now that DJ would be upset with organization for moving him around so much. I hope next year we put him on the weak side, he performs outstanding, and we reward him for the SH!T he's put up with for the past 4 years! 5 years 25m just for getting pushed all over the place. He should actually jump up and put his hand in the dirt a couple times this year just to add a 5th position to his resume!!!

cabronco
03-07-2008, 08:18 AM
Its on the Denver Post too ....

Size matters as Broncos revamp defense
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 03/07/2008 03:00:36 AM MST


SEATTLE - 2007: Niko Koutouvides of the Seattle Seahawks poses for his 2007 NFL headshot at photo day in Seattle, Washington. (Getty Images North America | Getty Images)This should fill the gaps.

How many times during their downtrodden 2007 season did the Broncos blame their porous run defense on failed gap assignments?

With the signing of Boss Bailey on Thursday to a five-year contract at an average of at least $3.5 million per, the Broncos' new three-man linebacker unit should be able to fill gaps merely by physical presence.

Bailey, at 6-feet-3, 235 pounds, has always been one of the NFL's tallest linebackers. D.J. Williams, at 6-1, 242 pounds, goes from an average-sized middle linebacker to an imposing weakside linebacker, and unquestionably larger than "Will" predecessor Ian Gold. Niko Koutouvides, at 6-2, 238 pounds, is as big as he sounds at middle linebacker.

Big is in for Broncos

DENVER - 2007: D.J. Williams of the Denver Broncos poses for his 2007 NFL headshot at photo day in Denver, Colorado. (Getty Images North America | Getty Images)'backers. Will big be beautiful, too?
"That's a good group," Seattle linebackers coach Zerick Rollins said. "They've got big guys, but another thing about them is all those guys are pretty athletic."

Williams ran his 40-yard dash at his scouting combine in 4.54 seconds. Boss Bailey was clocked at 4.58 seconds. The 4.71 turned in by Koutouvides was well above average for inside linebackers.

Speed, though, has always been a trademark of Broncos linebackers during the Mike Shanahan era. It's the size of these linebackers that jumps off the team's revised roster page. It also logically follows the Broncos' stated No. 1 priority in the offseason: Improve a run defense that finished 30th in the 32-team NFL last season.

Not surprisingly, Shanahan and general manager Ted Sundquist kept the NFL guessing as to how they would address their weakness. Many figured their priority needs would be, in order, defensive linemen, safety, linebacker.

Instead, the Broncos' offseason actions leave no doubt they believed their biggest problem was at linebacker. For 2008, each of the three linebacker positions will have a new starter. Each of those starters will be big.

Big 'backers are built for plugging gaps.

"The No.

DETROIT - 2007: Boss Bailey of the Detroit Lions poses for his 2007 NFL headshot at photo day in Detroit, Michigan. (Getty Images North America | Getty Images)1 thing for any defense is making the other team one-dimensional, and in that regard, stopping the run is the most important thing," Koutouvides said. "I don't know if size really matters, other than you do have to be a bigger, stronger player in order to play linebacker."
Stopping the run is not just vital to the defense. As the Broncos became so painfully aware last season, when a defense can't stop the run, the offense suffers. Jay Cutler can't maintain rhythm when he has to sit on the bench through seven-minute opponent drives.

"Putting myself in their shoes, you don't feel the same as an offense," said Bob Slowik, recently promoted from defensive assistant to defensive boss. "You get out there and think, 'Oh, my God, we better do something or we're not going to get another opportunity for a while.' "

Among these big Broncos 'backers, the biggest question hovers over the most important position — the middle. It was a concern last year, too, when Williams was asked to fill the popular Al Wilson's job as middle linebacker and in-game captain of the defense. This year, Williams will be moving to his natural weakside linebacker position.

Koutouvides is a natural middle linebacker, but the question is whether he can make the leap to starter after four seasons as a backup in Seattle.

"I wouldn't expect anything else," Koutouvides said. "The perception is he's a backup and special-teams player. I'm not going to talk about how I'm going to be a great player in this league. We'll have to wait until training camp comes and the NFL season begins, and that's where you've got to prove yourself that the Broncos made a great move."

Rollins doesn't have to wait to have an opinion. He already believes the Broncos did well to sign Koutouvides, who would have been playing earlier had he not been stuck behind one of the league's best, Lofa Tatupu.

"Niko was a guy who was ready to be a starter. That's why I hated to lose him," Rollins said. "Niko's a razor-sharp guy. He can command the middle. For the 'Mike' position, that's more than half the battle. You need someone who has some authority, has some command, who can get people lined up. He pays attention to formations and splits.

"Niko is also a very aggressive player. He'll come downhill and attack people. I'm telling you, you guys have got a good 'Mike' linebacker."

Which would be huge.

BOSS BAILEY

Strongside: 6-3, 235

NIKO KOUTOUVIDES

Middle: 6-2, 238

D.J. WILLIAMS

Weakside: 6-1, 242

broncogary
03-07-2008, 08:30 AM
That's funny. When you look at the pictures, Koutouvides looks more like Champ than Boss does.

TheReverend
03-07-2008, 08:38 AM
Bailey, at 6-feet-3, 235 pounds, has always been one of the NFL's tallest linebackers. D.J. Williams, at 6-1, 242 pounds, goes from an average-sized middle linebacker to an imposing weakside linebacker, and unquestionably larger than "Will" predecessor Ian Gold. Niko Koutouvides, at 6-2, 238 pounds, is as big as he sounds at middle linebacker.

So DJ was average sized for the spot, but Niko (who's a touch smaller) is big for it. Well done!

Instead, the Broncos' offseason actions leave no doubt they believed their biggest problem was at linebacker. For 2008, each of the three linebacker positions will have a new starter. Each of those starters will be big. .

Durrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Among these big Broncos 'backers, the biggest question hovers over the most important position — the middle. It was a concern last year, too, when Williams was asked to fill the popular Al Wilson's job as middle linebacker and in-game captain of the defense. This year, Williams will be moving to his natural weakside linebacker position.

Koutouvides is a natural middle linebacker, but the question is whether he can make the leap to starter after four seasons as a backup in Seattle.

A four year back-up is supposed to fill Al Wilson's shoes... color me skeptical.

montrose
03-07-2008, 09:29 AM
I wonder how DJ feels about all this? I've been concerned for a couple years now that DJ would be upset with organization for moving him around so much. I hope next year we put him on the weak side, he performs outstanding, and we reward him for the SH!T he's put up with for the past 4 years! 5 years 25m just for getting pushed all over the place. He should actually jump up and put his hand in the dirt a couple times this year just to add a 5th position to his resume!!!

DJ said during the season he'd prefer a move back to WILL but would be cool playing MIKE as well, he just didn't want to play SAM again. I'll try to locate the article.

As per the officialness of DJ moving back, it's been relatively well known based on several comments including Shanahan's (at his year end presser) that DJ's position was going to depend on who they picked up in free agency. Niko was quoted in one of the articles after he was signed that the coaches told him they'd like to move DJ back outside which factored into his signing here. Obviously a lot will depend on what happens in the draft but if things stood the way they are today, DJ would play WILL, Niko the MIKE and Boss the SAM. If the coaches don't like what they see from Niko at MIKE, they can always keep DJ at MIKE and start Winborn at WILL or give Webster a try at MIKE as that's his natural position.

oubronco
03-07-2008, 09:40 AM
Oh Shiit The Sky Is Falling....the Sky Is Falling :unamused: :oyvey:

cmhargrove
03-07-2008, 09:43 AM
DJ said during the season he'd prefer a move back to WILL but would be cool playing MIKE as well, he just didn't want to play SAM again. I'll try to locate the article.

As per the officialness of DJ moving back, it's been relatively well known based on several comments including Shanahan's (at his year end presser) that DJ's position was going to depend on who they picked up in free agency. Niko was quoted in one of the articles after he was signed that the coaches told him they'd like to move DJ back outside which factored into his signing here. Obviously a lot will depend on what happens in the draft but if things stood the way they are today, DJ would play WILL, Niko the MIKE and Boss the SAM. If the coaches don't like what they see from Niko at MIKE, they can always keep DJ at MIKE and start Winborn at WILL or give Webster a try at MIKE as that's his natural position.

This suddenly gives us lots of combinations for speed and power. I am anxious to see how Niko performs. If he can shed blocks and pound in the middle, this could be huge for us.

Also, I really like Winborn at the end of last season. I thought he played with tremendous speed, and was in the right position. I wonder is we could also use him in our old "big nickel" package that we used to use with Brandon? I know Brandon was a safety, but he and Winborn have similar size / strength characteristics. We were at our best against Gates and Gonzales when we used that package. Ever since then, we have been getting burned by opposing teams athletic TE's.

LonghornBronco
03-07-2008, 10:07 AM
I feel a whole lot better after hearing the Sea-hags coach talk about Niko as an effective mike, he should know he has Lofa "freaking" Tatupu to use as a gauge.

Rohirrim
03-07-2008, 10:24 AM
All we need now is a dominating DT. Looks to me like Shanahan and Sundquist are poised to trade up after somebody. Maybe we should prepare to get used to seeing this move:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/football/ncaa/12/10/ultimateplayoff.finalfour/t1_ellis.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
03-07-2008, 10:42 AM
DJ was a poor MLB. It's time to move on from that experiment, no matter how he feels about it.

broncosteven
03-07-2008, 10:51 AM
All we need now is a dominating DT. Looks to me like Shanahan and Sundquist are poised to trade up after somebody. Maybe we should prepare to get used to seeing this move:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/football/ncaa/12/10/ultimateplayoff.finalfour/t1_ellis.jpg

Do we have any ammo to trade up?

The missing 3rd hurts.

I think they slide back and try to get a late 1st and 3rd and maybe 2nd day slot.

montrose
03-07-2008, 11:12 AM
This suddenly gives us lots of combinations for speed and power. I am anxious to see how Niko performs. If he can shed blocks and pound in the middle, this could be huge for us.

Also, I really like Winborn at the end of last season. I thought he played with tremendous speed, and was in the right position. I wonder is we could also use him in our old "big nickel" package that we used to use with Brandon? I know Brandon was a safety, but he and Winborn have similar size / strength characteristics. We were at our best against Gates and Gonzales when we used that package. Ever since then, we have been getting burned by opposing teams athletic TE's.

I yearn for the old big nickel package with Sam Brandon. I had a near man crush on the package, and I believe you can see a significant drop in the defense following Brandon's injury. As further illustration, lets look at the ppg the Broncos gave up since they began using the big nickel package with Brandon in Week 3 of 2005 through early 2006 until is injury. In parentheses is how the team fared against TE's:

KC - 10 (Gonzalez 5 rec, 29 yards)
Jax - 7 (Wrighster 1 rec, 6 yards)
Was - 19 (Cooley 8 rec, 82 yards *Note* Cooley plays an H-Back position and was not covered by Brandon throughout a majority of the game)
NE - 20 (Watson 1 rec, 6 yards)
NYG - 24 (Shockey 3 rec, 44 yards - Brandon left this game injured before Shockey caught a deep pass)
Phi - 21 (Smith 1 rec, 1 yard)
Oak - 17 (Anderson 1 rec, 18 yards)
NYJ - 0 (Jolley 1 rec, 4 yards)
Dal - 21 (Whitten 9 rec, 82 yards, 1 TD)
KC - 31 (Gonzalez 1 rec, 25 yards, 1 TD)
Bal - 10 (Heap 5 rec, 65 yards)
Buf - (No TE receptions)
Oak - 3 (Williams 2 rec, 22 yards)
SD - 7 (Gates 3 rec, 23 yards)
STL - 28 (No TE receptions)
KC - 6 (Gonzalez 2 rec, 7 yards)
NE - 7 (Watson 5 rec, 54 yards)
Bal - 3 (Heap 3 rec, 21 yards)
Oak - 3 (No TE receptions)
Cle -7 (Heiden 2 rec, 10 yards)

Now let’s look at the difference in 2006 after Brandon’s injury and 2007 when he wasn’t on the team and the big nickel package was not used:

Ind – 34 (Clark 6 rec, 68 yards)
Pit – 20 (Miller 5 rec, 34 yards)
Oak - 13 (5 rec, 61 yards)
SD – 35 (Gates 5 rec, 48 yards)
KC – 19 (Gonzales 4 rec, 35 yards)
Sea – 23 (Stevens 2 rec, 12 yards)
SD – 48 (Gates, 7 rec, 104 yards, 2 TD’s)
Arz – 20 (Pope 2 rec, 11 yards)
Cin – 23 (Kelly 2 rec, 23 yards)
SF – 26 (Davis 3 rec, 16 yards)
Buf – 14 (Royal 1 rec, 12 yards)
Oak – 20 (Miller 3 rec, 18 yards)
Jax – 23 (Estandia 1 rec, 23 yards)
Ind – 38 (Clark 6 rec, 76 yards, 2 TD’s)
SD – 41 (Gates 7 rec, 113 yards, 1 TD)
Pit – 28 (Miller 5 rec, 50 yards, 2 TD’s)
GB – 19 (Lee 3 rec, 34 yards)
Det – 44 (McHugh 1 rec, 46 yards)
KC – 11 (Gonzalez 3 rec, 29 yards)
Ten – 20 (Scaife 4 rec, 49 yards)
Chi – 37 (Clark 2 rec, 61 yards)
Oak – 34 (Miller 3 rec, 58 yards, 1 TD)
KC – 7 (Gonzalez 7 rec, 76 yards, 1 TD)
Hou – 31 (Daniels 3 rec, 53 yards)
SD – 23 (Gates 1 rec, 24 yards)
Min – 19 (Mills 2 rec, 26 yards)

What made the big nickel so effective was Brandon's ability to cover TE's while we had flexibility to run a 6 man front or 7 man front with Lynch up in the box. Winborn is an athletic LB, but has nowhere near the TE-coverage ability Brandon had (and actually Middlebrooks funny enough). Since's Brandon's injury the Broncos have struggled to find a guy who could cover TE's, they've tried Foxworth, Ferguson and Webster - and all failed. I would speculate Boss was largely brought in to be given a shot at it, he was known as a good coverage LB early in his career and clearly has the size and speed that the afore mentioned candidates do not. With that, if the Broncos can trade down to pick up some extra picks - they would be wise to try to find their next big nickel safety. Oh I miss Sam Brandon...

c_lazy_r
03-07-2008, 11:26 AM
I wonder how DJ feels about all this? I've been concerned for a couple years now that DJ would be upset with organization for moving him around so much. I hope next year we put him on the weak side, he performs outstanding, and we reward him for the SH!T he's put up with for the past 4 years! 5 years 25m just for getting pushed all over the place. He should actually jump up and put his hand in the dirt a couple times this year just to add a 5th position to his resume!!!

Remember Mecklenburg, I think he played 7 different positions and was a Pro Bowler.

Beantown Bronco
03-07-2008, 11:39 AM
I had a near man crush on the package

Quote of the Year potential right there.

ScottXray
03-07-2008, 12:03 PM
Looks like we have addressed our needs at LB...we have a good combination of backs there now. and we didn't spend a lot of cap space to address that.
It allows us to concentrate on our other needs in the draft ...OT DT and SS.

so far I like what the team is doing in the off season:thumbs:

oubronco
03-07-2008, 12:07 PM
I yearn for the old big nickel package with Sam Brandon. I had a near man crush on the package, and I believe you can see a significant drop in the defense following Brandon's injury. As further illustration, lets look at the ppg the Broncos gave up since they began using the big nickel package with Brandon in Week 3 of 2005 through early 2006 until is injury. In parentheses is how the team fared against TE's:

KC - 10 (Gonzalez 5 rec, 29 yards)
Jax - 7 (Wrighster 1 rec, 6 yards)
Was - 19 (Cooley 8 rec, 82 yards *Note* Cooley plays an H-Back position and was not covered by Brandon throughout a majority of the game)
NE - 20 (Watson 1 rec, 6 yards)
NYG - 24 (Shockey 3 rec, 44 yards - Brandon left this game injured before Shockey caught a deep pass)
Phi - 21 (Smith 1 rec, 1 yard)
Oak - 17 (Anderson 1 rec, 18 yards)
NYJ - 0 (Jolley 1 rec, 4 yards)
Dal - 21 (Whitten 9 rec, 82 yards, 1 TD)
KC - 31 (Gonzalez 1 rec, 25 yards, 1 TD)
Bal - 10 (Heap 5 rec, 65 yards)
Buf - (No TE receptions)
Oak - 3 (Williams 2 rec, 22 yards)
SD - 7 (Gates 3 rec, 23 yards)
STL - 28 (No TE receptions)
KC - 6 (Gonzalez 2 rec, 7 yards)
NE - 7 (Watson 5 rec, 54 yards)
Bal - 3 (Heap 3 rec, 21 yards)
Oak - 3 (No TE receptions)
Cle -7 (Heiden 2 rec, 10 yards)

Now let’s look at the difference in 2006 after Brandon’s injury and 2007 when he wasn’t on the team and the big nickel package was not used:

Ind – 34 (Clark 6 rec, 68 yards)
Pit – 20 (Miller 5 rec, 34 yards)
Oak - 13 (5 rec, 61 yards)
SD – 35 (Gates 5 rec, 48 yards)
KC – 19 (Gonzales 4 rec, 35 yards)
Sea – 23 (Stevens 2 rec, 12 yards)
SD – 48 (Gates, 7 rec, 104 yards, 2 TD’s)
Arz – 20 (Pope 2 rec, 11 yards)
Cin – 23 (Kelly 2 rec, 23 yards)
SF – 26 (Davis 3 rec, 16 yards)
Buf – 14 (Royal 1 rec, 12 yards)
Oak – 20 (Miller 3 rec, 18 yards)
Jax – 23 (Estandia 1 rec, 23 yards)
Ind – 38 (Clark 6 rec, 76 yards, 2 TD’s)
SD – 41 (Gates 7 rec, 113 yards, 1 TD)
Pit – 28 (Miller 5 rec, 50 yards, 2 TD’s)
GB – 19 (Lee 3 rec, 34 yards)
Det – 44 (McHugh 1 rec, 46 yards)
KC – 11 (Gonzalez 3 rec, 29 yards)
Ten – 20 (Scaife 4 rec, 49 yards)
Chi – 37 (Clark 2 rec, 61 yards)
Oak – 34 (Miller 3 rec, 58 yards, 1 TD)
KC – 7 (Gonzalez 7 rec, 76 yards, 1 TD)
Hou – 31 (Daniels 3 rec, 53 yards)
SD – 23 (Gates 1 rec, 24 yards)
Min – 19 (Mills 2 rec, 26 yards)

What made the big nickel so effective was Brandon's ability to cover TE's while we had flexibility to run a 6 man front or 7 man front with Lynch up in the box. Winborn is an athletic LB, but has nowhere near the TE-coverage ability Brandon had (and actually Middlebrooks funny enough). Since's Brandon's injury the Broncos have struggled to find a guy who could cover TE's, they've tried Foxworth, Ferguson and Webster - and all failed. I would speculate Boss was largely brought in to be given a shot at it, he was known as a good coverage LB early in his career and clearly has the size and speed that the afore mentioned candidates do not. With that, if the Broncos can trade down to pick up some extra picks - they would be wise to try to find their next big nickel safety. Oh I miss Sam Brandon...


nice work dude we have sooooooooooooo missed brandon and I thought they might try Browner but didn't see it, by the way what happened to Browner ?

Atwater His Ass
03-07-2008, 12:13 PM
Niko is a question mark, but not as big as your typical backup-to-starter type player may have. He was playing behind one of the top MLB in the league in Lofa Tatupu.

Still a risk, but no more than play DJ at MLB last season imo. If Niko and Boss can at least be servicalbe players coupled with getting one of our best play-makers in the front 7 in DJ at his natural spot and we get a decent DT to pair with Thomas, our defense will be light years ahead of last season.

TheChamp24
03-07-2008, 12:55 PM
I would love to see the Broncos draft Curtis Lofton, although he is a bit undersized, he is very instinctive could be similar to Al Wilson.
I'm thinking though that maybe the team is coveting Dan Connor, or DT in the 1st now.
All likely though, they are looking at Desean Jackson at 12.

Inkana7
03-07-2008, 01:17 PM
I would love to see the Broncos draft Curtis Lofton, although he is a bit undersized, he is very instinctive could be similar to Al Wilson.
I'm thinking though that maybe the team is coveting Dan Connor, or DT in the 1st now.
All likely though, they are looking at Desean Jackson at 12.

Uh, no?

Los Broncos
03-07-2008, 01:30 PM
All we need now is a dominating DT. Looks to me like Shanahan and Sundquist are poised to trade up after somebody. Maybe we should prepare to get used to seeing this move:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/football/ncaa/12/10/ultimateplayoff.finalfour/t1_ellis.jpg

Dude, the arms on that guy are like tree trunks.

Rohirrim
03-07-2008, 01:33 PM
Do we have any ammo to trade up?

The missing 3rd hurts.

I think they slide back and try to get a late 1st and 3rd and maybe 2nd day slot.

I was surprised when the Broncos went after Cutler. Many on this board assumed we would be trading down or standing pat. It just seems to me, looking at the what the Broncos are doing with this LB corps, that they are missing one key element - the kind of dominating DT that will free these LBs up to move around at will and not get caught up in the wash. It takes a DT who will demand double teams on every play. There's only two of those in this draft, IMO. And Dorsey is probably unreachable.

Anyway, it's all just speculation. Ellis or Dorsey would have to drop out of the top five, because I don't see anybody in that top five that would be a viable trading partner with the Broncos, except maybe Atlanta, and the Broncos don't have the juice to get that high, although it would make me sick to see Ellis going to the Faders or the Chefs.

BroncoBuff
03-07-2008, 04:33 PM
Maybe I missed the announcement too, but this article talks about it like common knowledge. It also talks as if Niko has already been anointed starting middle linebacker.
Yes, we definitely paid him starter money.

I'm surprised anyone finds this article questionable ... I thought the conventional wisdom was Boss-Sam, Niko-Mike, DJ-Will ... with Niko coming off on nickel downs.

Drek .... "Niko, Winborn and a rook to battle" to start where, Sam? With DJ staying in the middle? That means Boss would be the Will then? hmmm...

broncosteven
03-07-2008, 05:35 PM
... with Niko coming off on nickel downs.

No Nickle Niko?

CBF1
03-07-2008, 05:45 PM
All we need now is a dominating DT. Looks to me like Shanahan and Sundquist are poised to trade up after somebody. Maybe we should prepare to get used to seeing this move:

http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/football/ncaa/12/10/ultimateplayoff.finalfour/t1_ellis.jpg

I like the way that you think... I was heading the same directions as I was reading this thread.

Broncojef
03-07-2008, 05:58 PM
DJ was a poor MLB. It's time to move on from that experiment, no matter how he feels about it.

Niko is the man in the middle!!! At long last they will be moving DJ back where he belongs. We are now set at LB the draft will focus on the trenches IMO

cutthemdown
03-07-2008, 06:30 PM
Once again people on this board are proved smarter then the Broncos. I've been saying along with others for years that DJ is only a weakside backer and nothing else. So Broncos go out and waste 3 yrs on bringing Ian Gold back and wasting the development of a good weakside number 1 draft pick in DJ. He should have never been moved to SSL, for sure never to MLB. Why because he is a weakside linebacker and that it. Broncos need to stop with the foolishness and put him back as weakside. I hope this is all tru if it is DJ may have a s huge yr.

Triplelefthook
03-07-2008, 06:41 PM
This suddenly gives us lots of combinations for speed and power. I am anxious to see how Niko performs. If he can shed blocks and pound in the middle, this could be huge for us.

Also, I really like Winborn at the end of last season. I thought he played with tremendous speed, and was in the right position. I wonder is we could also use him in our old "big nickel" package that we used to use with Brandon? I know Brandon was a safety, but he and Winborn have similar size / strength characteristics. We were at our best against Gates and Gonzales when we used that package. Ever since then, we have been getting burned by opposing teams athletic TE's.

Anyone heard about Sam Brandon? Has he recovered at all form his injury? Any chance of bringing him back?

Merlin
03-07-2008, 07:40 PM
I've been saying along with others for years that DJ is only a weakside backer and nothing else...So Broncos go out and waste 3 yrs on bringing Ian Gold back and wasting the development of a good weakside
They felt DJ was not ready for nickel and Ian was better suited. The strategy worked quite well, and Ian played very well in the AFC championship yr...so why did they draft DJ? Because Ian was gone. But once they were able to get him back they still needed to take advantage of DJ thus moving him to his less suited position at Sam (but better there than not at all).
A four year back-up is supposed to fill Al Wilson's shoes... color me skeptical.
No, a four yr backup to an incredible Mike is supposed to fill in DJ's place. Considering DJ's troubles and his far better play at Will, it sound like a plan.

SoCalBronco
03-07-2008, 07:45 PM
It seems like Winborn is the odd man out now, even though he recently got a raise and small extension.

cmhargrove
03-07-2008, 09:06 PM
It seems like Winborn is the odd man out now, even though he recently got a raise and small extension.

He's one injury away from being a starter. It's nice to have depth guys you actually would like to see play.

BTW - Winborn had some awesome ST play last year. Hopefully he can help us even more on ST next year.

The MVPlaya
03-07-2008, 09:14 PM
At this point, it really doesn't matter. If Niko can't perform then he won't play.

Whatever is said at this point DOES NOT MATTER.

Wait until TC and Pre-season to see what happens...

theAPAOps5
03-07-2008, 09:14 PM
A caller to 950 the fan said that Denver fans will be very happy with Niko. I know its not saying much but sounds like he just got caught up behind their star MLB. Hopefully that means Denver has a new starting MLB. The fan said he is tough as nails, quick, and can hit.

27atwater
03-07-2008, 09:24 PM
The Seattle fans loved Niko and said we got a good one...hated to see him go. Seattle has arguably the best LB corps in the league so I'm not gonna bash the guy for being a backup. We don't need a star at LB, just a smart, hard nosed guy who can plug holes and not miss tackles.

As far as moving up...I think if we can get to the #8 spot we may beable to land one of the DTs. This puts us ahead of Cincy and NO. Bmore needs a CB (Foxxy) and we can also offer a 4th in 2009. The point value between 8 and 12 is 200 points (mid 3rd rounder). I think Foxxy and a 4th is plenty to give up to a team w/ aging/injury riddled CBs.

Cito Pelon
03-08-2008, 03:36 AM
I don't know what to say about these recent acquisitions at LB. I know for sure that whatever comes out of Dove Valley is BS and meant to fuel fan interest, it's sure not an accurate assessment of the team.

The bottom line is the team has tried to address a need position and hopefully whoever is the loser in the battle for the starting LB positions in TC will be a strong contributor on ST's. ST's are a big deal. Hopefully, both LB and ST's have been upgraded with the acquisition of Niko, Boss, and Winborn and Beck last year. I would like to see more INT's from the LB position this year. That lack has been glaring for quite a few years, and I doubt if these new guys will make that aspect of the LB play better.

bcbronc
03-08-2008, 05:00 AM
if this is accurate, I'm a bit disappointed. I thought DJ was evolving into a great MLB. oh well, he's also the best WILL we have on the roster, so whatever gets the best 3 guys on the field gets my vote.

but if he starts camp at WILL, I hope they leave him there for good, even if Niko doesn't shine. it's time to just pick a spot and leave him there already.

Bronco Yoda
03-08-2008, 05:14 AM
Whatever shakes out... DJ has invaluable MLB experience now and can be inserted at any time now if need be.