Raiders have spent 160 mill total...and not 1 elite player

[The MVPlaya]

:rofl:

How did they find their way to the Super Bowl in this decade?

[Los Broncos]

Dam, thats a lot of coin for a couple of ACL tears.

[Maximus]

I'm wondering how many of the contracts will reach their end? If the players never restructure it will cost 160 million... go back and add up the guaranteed money and change your headline... The guaranteed money is what we actually spent!

[The MVPlaya]

I'm wondering how many of the contracts will reach their end? If the players never restructure it will cost 160 million... go back and add up the guaranteed money and change your headline... The guaranteed money is what we actually spent!

There is no reason for being biased.

Do you really think Javon Walker is going to restructure? Or anyone on the Raiders will restructure?

Raiders have overpaid their signings, period. If you search on the internet every single player they have signed, you will find countless articles on how badly the Raiders ****ed up.

[eddie mac]

$50m in guarantees not including Harris' deal.

[LittleFloyd]

Even dumber is the fact they nickled and dimes Jemarcus Russell and he held out for so long.

[broncosteven]

Walker is our new Kennison.

[vancejohnson82]

$50m in guarantees not including Harris' deal.

Harris hasn't signed his yet....his shift as a revolving door at San Fran International Airport ends tonight at 8pm

[Inkana7]

Walker is our new Kennison.

JaQuit?

[Maximus]

There is no reason for being biased.

Do you really think Javon Walker is going to restructure? Or anyone on the Raiders will restructure?

Raiders have overpaid their signings, period. If you search on the internet every single player they have signed, you will find countless articles on how badly the Raiders ****ed up.

Any player will restructure if the upfront money is correct. The raiders and Bruce Allen perfected legal cap manipulation. We have always been able to restructure our players. Walker balked at shanahan overtures because of upfront money not the big number at the back end of the contract... ratboy just sucks at capology.

[Atwater His Ass]

That's what happens when you have to pay for mediocre talent because nobody wants to go play in Oakland.

[eddie mac]

Any player will restructure if the upfront money is correct. The raiders and Bruce Allen perfected legal cap manipulation. We have always been able to restructure our players. Walker balked at shanahan overtures because of upfront money not the big number at the back end of the contract... ratboy just sucks at capology.

WTF would you know about Shanahan's cap handling. For years the Raiders had to scurge their rosters because they were $20m-$30m over the cap just before the offseason started. The back-ends can be restructured yes but that wont be the issue in 2 years time, because a new CBA will be agreed at a fraction of the current cap and you've just pissed away $50m plus in guarantees on an average player and 2 injured ones.:giggle:

[montrose]

One could argue that if Javon's knee is healthy as he claims, they got one elite player.

[Atwater His Ass]

One could argue that if Javon's knee is healthy as he claims, they got one elite player.

Sure, pretty BIG if though. You don't sign a player with that kind of health concern to the type of contract he got.

I also seem to remember they just got rid of the best WR in the game who didn't do jack for them the entire time he was there. I don't see how Javon is better than Moss, healthy knee or not.

You're going to see the same failure with Javon in Oakland as you did with Moss. Take it to the bank.

[Bronx33]

Sure, pretty BIG if though. You don't sign a player with that kind of health concern to the type of contract he got.

I also seem to remember they just got rid of the best WR in the game who didn't do jack for them the entire time he was there. I don't see how Javon is better than Moss, healthy knee or not.

You're going to see the same failure with Javon in Oakland as you did with Moss. Take it to the bank.


Yep if there were no health concerns about javons knee (then he would be) a bronco right now for 20 million less our medical staff obviously have some reservations about his longevity. But i can't think of a better person to get f***** over than al davis and javon is laughing all the way to the bank..

[Paladin]

One smack from Lynch/McCree/Whomever and it will be sayonara, baby.

Or is that "Hasta La Vista, baby" in Calispeak?

[boltaneer]

Any player will restructure if the upfront money is correct. The raiders and Bruce Allen perfected legal cap manipulation. We have always been able to restructure our players.

Oh, they'll restructure a few years down the road if the Raiders convert salary into upfront bonuses or if they receive a new contract with even more guaranteed money headed their way. Either way they're still stuck paying these guys a TON of money over the market value for because there was no interest for them at anywhere near the price the Raiders paid.

There's no way you can spin these recent signings as wise ones, especially when two of them are coming off of ACL injuries and the other two are viewed as mediocre players at best.

[rovolution]

Any player will restructure if the upfront money is correct. The raiders and Bruce Allen perfected legal cap manipulation. We have always been able to restructure our players. Walker balked at shanahan overtures because of upfront money not the big number at the back end of the contract... ratboy just sucks at capology.

Bruce and Gruds aren't there anymore.

You've got that devil women Amy Trask running the show.

Trask will continue running the Faide straight into the ground once Al croaks.

[broncosteven]

I heard that Al is targetting Paul Tovessi and Wille Middlebrooks next.

[Atwater His Ass]

I heard that Al is targetting Paul Tovessi and Wille Middlebrooks next.

Nah, he heard we're interested in Warrick Dunn, so greasebag will probably offer him a $60 million deal this week.

[PRBronco]

Any player will restructure if the upfront money is correct. The raiders and Bruce Allen perfected legal cap manipulation. We have always been able to restructure our players. Walker balked at shanahan overtures because of upfront money not the big number at the back end of the contract... ratboy just sucks at capology.

Hahahah, never use the words "raiders" and "perfected" in a sentence again. Go get yourself another top 5 draft pick, slugger.

[Bronx33]

Nah, he heard we're interested in Warrick Dunn, so greasebag will probably offer him a $60 million deal this week.


no shyt! Hilarious!

[Raiders Rock]

sounds like some sourgrapes here.....

you can bet if he has a gimp knee it will be included in the contract

[Bronx33]

sounds like some sourgrapes here.....

you can get if he has a gimp knee it will be included in the contract





Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaseee..

[Raider Bill]

Kwame Harris got a 1 year 3 million dollar deal the rest is fuzzy cap math.


Javon Walker got a 3 year 16 million dollar deal... the rest is fuzzy cap math.

In fact if we cut Walker today we'd absorb basically the same cap hit Denver did

[eddie mac]

Kwame Harris got a 1 year 3 million dollar deal the rest is fuzzy cap math.


Javon Walker got a 3 year 16 million dollar deal... the rest is fuzzy cap math.

In fact if we cut Walker today we'd absorb basically the same cap hit Denver did

Not exactly considering the agreement you came to means that the base salaries in years 1 and 2 are guaranteed thus if you cut him he gets the money anyway and it automatically accelerates onto your cap with the $6m signing bonus thus he gets the $16m regardless.

[Raiders Rock]

Ah hell if we have to, we can just cheat the cap and win a Super Bowl like you guys did with Bucky right?

[SureShot]

Ah hell if we have to, we can just cheat the cap and win a Super Bowl like you guys did with Bucky right?

Well you sold me. Good signings.:spit:

[Popcorn Sutton]

sounds like some sourgrapes here.....

you can bet if he has a gimp knee it will be included in the contract

$16 million guaranteed = $16 million guaranteed gimp knee or not. It's not sour grapes at all. I'm happy to see Javon take the Raiders to the cleaners. ;D

[Raider Bill]

Not exactly considering the agreement you came to means that the base salaries in years 1 and 2 are guaranteed thus if you cut him he gets the money anyway and it automatically accelerates onto your cap with the $6m signing bonus thus he gets the $16m regardless.


No he doesn't... NFL salaries are not guaranteed..

The Javon Walker deal will pay the wide receiver $16 million over two seasons. Walker got $6 million to sign and salaries of $5 million each of the next two seasons.

The rest of the deal is heavily backloaded with money Walker won’t see unless he approaches the 89 receptions, 1,392 yards and 12 touchdowns compiled in Green Bay in 2004.

Given that players are seldom if ever cut after one year after receiving a sizable signing bonus, Walker has essentially been guaranteed $16 million.


Note the use of the word Seldom... it's fuzzy math.

[Raider Bill]

It's not freakin guaranteed... we can cut him after 1 season and spread out the cap acceleration into 2 equal 2.5 million dollar hits.

NFL SALARIES ARE NOT GUARANTEED!

[Jens1893]

It's not freakin guaranteed... we can cut him after 1 season and spread out the cap acceleration into 2 equal 2.5 million dollar hits.

NFL SALARIES ARE NOT GUARANTEED!

thats unless they put it in the contract

when rod smith took a pay cut before last season the broncos guaranteed him his base salary for 07 and 08

[Raider Bill]

That's when you convert salary to bonus as part of a restructure.. it's no longer salary, it becomes a bonus..

You're just wrong.

Base salaries - not guaranteed and charged to the cap in the year they are paid

signing bonus - guaranteed prorated over the lifetime of the contract.

[Raiders Rock]

That's when you convert salary to bonus as part of a restructure.. it's no longer salary, it becomes a bonus..

You're just wrong.

Base salaries - not guaranteed and charged to the cap in the year they are paid

signing bonus - guaranteed prorated over the lifetime of the contract.


School is in session and Raider Bill is schooling your ass :rofl:

[GoBroncos0838]

WTF... these faiders douche bags, and I use the term lightly, are trying to talk trash about over paying for injured talent. Great job... good luck on getting those 4 wins this year. Regardless if it is guaranteed or not, you still over paid. Your team is not getting better, and your owner has turned into Redskins of the 90's... great job!

[Maximus]

More ass breaking news... Proof of Raider Cap Mastery!

Rhodes, Green return | From Home - Inside Bay Area

By Jerry McDonald

Running back Dominic Rhodes agreed to a restructured contract which dropped his salary from $3 million to $1.75 million. Rhodes was also scheduled to receive a $2 million roster bonus Friday, and it is a safe bet that he agreed to take much less. The Raiders reduced the salary of LaMont Jordan in a similar fashion last season. In his final two games in relief of an injured Justin Fargas, Rhodes ran for 337 yards on 56 carries against Jacksonville and San Diego, a pair of playoff caliber defenses.

Rhodes missed the first four games of the 2007 season for being in violation of the NFL’s substance abuse policy _ a pending suspension the Raiders knew was a possibility when they signed him. By the time he returned, Jordan had injured his back but Fargas had caught the eye of the coaching staff and eventually became the starter and featured back. Getting Rhodes to return serves as insurance in case Michael Bush, the 2007 fourth-round pick who missed the entire season recovering from a broken ankle (correction _ leg) doesn’t develop as hoped. The organization has high hopes for Bush’s skill set and size, however he remains an unknown quantity until he actually plays in an NFL game.

Assuming they don’t make a deal before draft day, it also makes for an interesting situation if Darren McFadden were to be available when the Raiders pick at No. 4. With Fargas, Bush and Rhodes, taking McFadden would seem to be a an unnecessary luxury unless they’re convinced he’s a once-in-a-decade talent. Miami, picking at No. 1, has Ronnie Brown as its lead back. St. Louis, which picks second, is secure with Steven Jackson. Atlanta, which won a coin flip against Oakland for No. 3, recently signed free agent Michael Turner.

The Raiders, whose M.O. is usually to trade up rather than down, could be in prime position to make a deal for an established player, extra picks or both. Word is the Raiders have also agreed to terms with offensive tackle Cornell Green on a two-year contract. Green had a career-high 10 starts last season before sustaining a knee injury and surrendering the right tackle spot to Paul McQuistan.

[Maximus]

WTF would you know about Shanahan's cap handling. For years the Raiders had to scurge their rosters because they were $20m-$30m over the cap just before the offseason started. The back-ends can be restructured yes but that wont be the issue in 2 years time, because a new CBA will be agreed at a fraction of the current cap and you've just pissed away $50m plus in guarantees on an average player and 2 injured ones.:giggle:

I know this about the bucktoothed lemming faced beaver... He got busted trying to weasle around the salary cap... Yeah I remember... the little rat was busted and tried to drag Elway down the tubes with him. Yet you hypocrites have the nerve to talk about Bill Bellycheat... Shanarat started the cheating! The NFL should put an * next to that SB!

[Atwater His Ass]

I know this about the bucktoothed lemming faced beaver... He got busted trying to weasle around the salary cap... Yeah I remember... the little rat was busted and tried to drag Elway down the tubes with him. Yet you hypocrites have the nerve to talk about Bill Bellycheat... Shanarat started the cheating! The NFL should put an * next to that SB!

Man, you really are that stupid.

[boltaneer]

It's not freakin guaranteed... we can cut him after 1 season and spread out the cap acceleration into 2 equal 2.5 million dollar hits.

NFL SALARIES ARE NOT GUARANTEED!

All this guaranteed money talk is all agent speak. They now consider the first two years of a large contract guaranteed because yes, almost no one gets cut after one season when signing a huge contract. So the agents announce it that way because it makes them look better and maybe more clients head their way.

Regardless, if he is cut after one season (I suppose that means he stunk or his knee is shot) yeah, the cap hit won't be too bad if you spread it out over two seasons but you've already paid out 11 million dollars. Not a wise use of money.

[yavoon]

All this guaranteed money talk is all agent speak. They now consider the first two years of a large contract guaranteed because yes, almost no one gets cut after one season when signing a huge contract. So the agents announce it that way because it makes them look better and maybe more clients head their way.

Regardless, if he is cut after one season (I suppose that means he stunk or his knee is shot) yeah, the cap hit won't be too bad if you spread it out over two seasons but you've already paid out 11 million dollars. Not a wise use of money.

that doesn't make any sense at all, because players don't receive paychecks on weeks they are injured.

[boltaneer]

that doesn't make any sense at all, because players don't receive paychecks on weeks they are injured.

Huh?

[Sassy]

that doesn't make any sense at all, because players don't receive paychecks on weeks they are injured.

???
What world are you in?

[Killericon]

Kwame Harris got a 1 year 3 million dollar deal the rest is fuzzy cap math.

Fine. Ignore the rest of the deal.

You're still paying Kwame Harris 3 million a year. Ha!

[Dedhed]

Walker is our new Kennison.

Not even close. I have worlds more respect for Walker than Quitterson. Sure he's an ego case, but you have to at least recognize where he is coming from.

We would all bitch if he had gone to the Pro Bowl and then demanded a new deal, but the franchise basically did the same thing; they demanded a new contract because Walker wasn't as productive as they hoped. Walker said "no dice". That's business in the NFL.

Kennison flat out quit on the team the day before a game. That's just weak, and Walker's situation isn't deserving of being compared to that type of crap out.

[Dedhed]

Base salaries - not guaranteed and charged to the cap in the year they are paid

signing bonus - guaranteed prorated over the lifetime of the contract.

Upon release, I believe the remainder of the signing bonus is accelerated to that years books.

[Killericon]

Not even close. I have worlds more respect for Walker than Quitterson. Sure he's an ego case, but you have to at least recognize where he is coming from.

We would all b**** if he had gone to the Pro Bowl and then demanded a new deal, but the franchise basically did the same thing; they demanded a new contract because Walker wasn't as productive as they hoped. Walker said "no dice". That's business in the NFL.

Kennison flat out quit on the team the day before a game. That's just weak, and Walker's situation isn't deserving of being compared to that type of crap out.

Seconded. The only problem I have is how he wanted out after he got bumped to #2...But that's far more comparable to Lelie than to Kennison.

[Raider Bill]

. Not a wise use of money.

So what? I don't have a dime in it.

[theAPAOps5]

I agree Walker is not in the same league as Kennison. Walker tried to play no matter what Kennison was a baby. That much I will give Javon. He got his pay day with the Crypt Keeper. Hopefully Hamza Abdulla has him dialed in next year.

[theAPAOps5]

So what? I don't have a dime in it.

And Raider Bill's signature cracks me up.

[Northman]

One could argue that if Javon's knee is healthy as he claims, they got one elite player.

Although when healthy he is good i wouldnt call him Elite. He has spent just about as much time on the bench as he has on the field. A couple of nice years doesnt make you Elite.

[Raider Bill]

Fine. Ignore the rest of the deal.

You're still paying Kwame Harris 3 million a year. Ha!

So what, **** the 49'ers. Who else have they developed?

I'll take my chances with Tom Cable coaching up an athletic 6'7" 322 pound guy.

And if it doesnt work, we cut him loose with pretty much no cap impact.

[Northman]

Ah hell if we have to, we can just cheat the cap and win a Super Bowl like you guys did with Bucky right?

Wouldnt work, Greasy Al would inform Goodell of the cheating and **** himself. Hilarious!

[Raider Bill]

What did you guys give up to get that powdernose Marcus Thomas?

That's some fine GMing right there.

[theAPAOps5]

Don't talk out your ass Bill. Thomas was a fourth rounder and his contract is about as impactful as a gnats fart on the cap. And correction his DD is the powder nose!

[Northman]

Don't talk out your ass Bill. Thomas was a fourth rounder and his contract is about as impactful as a gnats fart on the cap. And correction his DD is the powder nose!

:rofl: :rofl:

[Killericon]

So what, **** the 49'ers. Who else have they developed?

I'll take my chances with Tom Cable coaching up an athletic 6'7" 322 pound guy.

And if it doesnt work, we cut him loose with pretty much no cap impact.

The guy is a ****ty ball player. End of story. While you have scored some points in this argument, I think it's a little delusional to be defending the Raiders' offseason thus far.

[2KBack]

JaQuit?

Javon Walkout

[WolfpackGuy]

The Faiders could've gone down to a BART station and bought a turnstile for like 20 bucks to play tackle and still been better off than they are with signing Harris. LOL

[Raider Bill]

I believe it was 3rd 6th and 7th round picks to get the powdernose.


That ranks right up there with Mo Claret

[TDmvp]

the raiders have committed 40 mil in guaranties to 3 players coming off knee surgeries , 6mil to Fargas , 16mil to Walker, 18mil to Tommy Kelly so Bill please...

[Raider Bill]

Those figures are illusory at best.

Walker got 6 million

Fargas probably got 2 or 3

T Kelly got 8

And the Bronco's would have been swinging all over Kelly's nuts if he hit FA.

[DenverBrit]

Those figures are illusory at best.

Walker got 6 million


Wrong!
He gets 11 million the first year and 5 million the second. Unless the dumba$$ Raiders plan on cutting him before the season starts. Then it's 6 million.
But if it makes you feel better, stick with your low-ball spin.

Even the NFL know crazy when they see it:

'Since last Thursday, the Raiders have doled out more than $144 million in contracts to defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ($50.1 million), safety Gibril Wilson ($39 million), and Walker' ($55 million).

'The final one came Tuesday night, when the Raiders and Walker's agent, Kennard McGuire, agreed to a deal that instantly became the talk of the league as the single-most stunning free-agent contract this off-season -- maybe ever.' :spit:

Yeah, I know. "Stunning" in a good way.'Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story?id=09000d5d80709c14&template=with-video&confirm=true

[Raider Bill]

It's not spin.. he didn't get 16 million guaranteed. He got 6 million.

[DenverBrit]

It's not spin.. he didn't get 16 million guaranteed. He got 6 million.


Who mentioned guaranteed??

You didn't in your post, and neither did I when I quoted you.

Keep spinning.

[Raider Bill]

And if he wanted to stay and play for the Shrew you'd be crowing about how good he was.

Like I said, sour grapes because of the Shrew's inability to get anything for him.

[Los Broncos]

Something isn't right here, i mean other than it being a crazy deal.

[Atwater His Ass]

And if he wanted to stay and play for the Shrew you'd be crowing about how good he was.

Like I said, sour grapes because of the Shrew's inability to get anything for him.

That's not really it at all and you know it. No one here will argue Javon's effectiveness when, wait for it, he's healthy. Big question mark there however, hence the reason Denver wanted him to restructure. Guarenteed that if Javon wouldn't have been hurt for most of last season, he'd still be a Bronco under his orginal contract with us.

The shocking part of all this isn't the fact that the faid signed Javon, it's how much money they signed him for. This is one of the worst FA contracts ever given out. Couple this with the fact that you guys just had the best WR in the league and couldn't do anything with him, this signing for the dollars involved makes very little sense to anyone not a faid homer. And this isn't even taking into account the other ridiculous contracts greasebag has handed out this off-season. It's comical at this point.

The fact is the faid doesn't have the talent level on offense to really make Javon effective what-so-ever and especailly not the effectiveness you're going to be looking for in accordance with the money you're going to be paying him.

[Raider Bill]

Guarenteed that if Javon wouldn't have been hurt for most of last season, he'd still be a Bronco under his orginal contract with us.

"I'm not sure I fit in here"


Yea it really sounds like he was dying to stay LOL

[Atwater His Ass]

"I'm not sure I fit in here"


Yea it really sounds like he was dying to stay LOL

Yay for half-truths. He later retracted that statement and then changed his stance back after it was clear that we were asking for him to take a pay cut and he was unwilling to do so.

I suppose you also missed the RMN interview he gave after being released where he addressed this subject.

If you would have paid attention or at least educated yourself on how it all played out prior to the faid signing him, you'd realize that Javon and his agent were/are only interested in cashing in, which is of course their choice. Javon's agent played the oakland franchise like a fiddle to get this deal for himself and Javon.

If other teams were actually interested in signing Javon to a $55 million dollar deal wiht $16 guarenteed, aka worth more than his Bronco contract, we'd of had those people lined out the door with trade offers. The reason we didn't is because no one in their right mind is willing to pay that kind of dough for a damaged goods WR, excpet of course, for crazy al.

But continue to homer away at it, it's amusing.

[boltaneer]

So what? I don't have a dime in it.

You've said this like five different times now.

Do you care when they win? Why? It wasn't you playing out there on the field.

Did you get excited when they signed Randy Moss or Javon Walker or whoever else? Why? You didn't negotiate the deal.

The point is, as a Raider fan, you should definitely be concerned even though it's not your money. You should be concerned about the poor decisions going on year after year at the head coach position. You don't think that impacts the price the Raiders have to pay to bring in free agents? Why is the whole world laughing at the absurd money they had to throw at mediocre and medically risky players in order to sign them?

You should be concerned about how much money they are wasting on bad moves in free agency. This impacts what moves they can make in the future. This impacts them playing poorly the upcoming year. That impacts them having to shell out even more of their salary cap on those high draft picks. That impacts how much more money they'll have to throw at free agents the following year. That impacts which coaches would even consider going to Oakland. There are already a number of coaches who refused to go interview there.

It's a vicious cycle and it's going to keep on going until Al lets someone else run the show and they stop making these horrible decisions.

[Atwater His Ass]

I'd be interested to see what the faid fans comments were concerning the Walker situation prior to their signing him. I'm sure that would be interesting.

Imagine the outrage if you'd have made a thread on a faid board singing the praises of Walker prior to their signing him. They'd have laughed you off the board, but now he's some sort of savior. Complete homerism by raider fans.

[eddie mac]

Walker actually got $11m to sign not $6m and it's $20m in the first 2 years. $300k less than what Moss got in NE in the first 2 years.LOL LOL LOL

[Northman]

"I'm not sure I fit in here"


Yea it really sounds like he was dying to stay LOL


Of course he didnt. He had essentially lost his starting spot to a guy much younger. Not too mention he was probably still coping with the loss of Williams only a year before that. Maybe staying in Denver kept reminding him of the past. Add all that to an organization that had concerns over a knee injury and wanted him to restructure and its easy to see why he would want to leave. For me, i think it had more to do with him losing his spot but there were a lot of factors going into why he felt he "didnt fit in here". But as usual you couldnt assess anything else about the deal other than a quote he made. Typical faider fan.

[Raider Bill]

You've said this like five different times now.

Do you care when they win? Why? It wasn't you playing out there on the field.

Did you get excited when they signed Randy Moss or Javon Walker or whoever else? Why? You didn't negotiate the deal.

I didn't like the Moss move, because his contract really was ridiculous, we were on the hook for all the ridiculous salary escellators.




The point is, as a Raider fan, you should definitely be concerned even though it's not your money. You should be concerned about the poor decisions going on year after year at the head coach position. You don't think that impacts the price the Raiders have to pay to bring in free agents? Why is the whole world laughing at the absurd money they had to throw at mediocre and medically risky players in order to sign them?

Blow me.. Zach Miller outperformed Daniel Graham. Fargas outperformed Travis Henry. We needed a WR and this was the best one available without trading anyone.


You should be concerned about how much money they are wasting on bad moves in free agency. This impacts what moves they can make in the future. This impacts them playing poorly the upcoming year. That impacts them having to shell out even more of their salary cap on those high draft picks. That impacts how much more money they'll have to throw at free agents the following year. That impacts which coaches would even consider going to Oakland. There are already a number of coaches who refused to go interview there.

Seems to me Oakland was 36 million under the cap and the Mastermind was rubbing nickles together because of bad FA moves that blew up in his face like a Wile E Coyote cartoon.

The NFL isn't the NBA... you don't chip away every year like the Bulls trying to beat the Pistons... it's a worst to first league... if your're not improving your going backward by default.


It's a vicious cycle and it's going to keep on going until Al lets someone else run the show and they stop making these horrible decisions

Funny to throw stones when you guys traded 3 draft picks for a coke addict.

[Raider Bill]

Oh, I musta missed the fact that you are a Charger fan..

When they start giving out the trophy for being the most under the cap the Eagles and Chargers will win it.


Norv will pilot that plane into the side of a mountain soon enough.

[rovolution]

I didn't like the Moss move, because his contract really was ridiculous, we were on the hook for all the ridiculous salary escellators.






kiss me.. Zach Miller outperformed Daniel Graham. Fargas outperformed Travis Henry. We needed a WR and this was the best one available without trading anyone.



Daniel Graham is a BLOCKING TIGHT END you f***ing dumbs***.

Compare Miller to Tony Scheffler, both who are primarily pass catching TEs.

Tony put up a 100 more yards then zach, plus 2 more TDs and averaged a little more than 1 more YPC playing in ONLY 12 GAMES. Zach Miller played in all 16.

[Atwater His Ass]

None of this really matters. All this fun bantering and radier homers convenently avoiding questions put to them in this thread in an attempt to spin, is all for naught. They will all be gone by 1/3rd of the way into the season when they realize what we all know: the faid are a horrible football team.

[Popcorn Sutton]

The coke addict line gave me a laugh though...

Enjoy your new $10 million / year receiver Raider fans... ... :injured:

:smashraid