Broncos: Boss could join Champ

[HEAV]

By Bill Williamson
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 03/04/2008 08:39:05 PM MST


Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey,could be teammates with his brother, linebacker Boss Bailey, next season.

Detroit linebacker Boss Bailey, younger brother of Denver star cornerback Champ Bailey, will visit the Broncos today and Thursday.

The Broncos are looking to finalize a contract while he is on the trip for Bailey to play strongside linebacker. "First of all, we need him, that's the biggest thing above him being my brother," Champ Bailey said Tuesday. "It would be great for us. Hopefully, we'll get it done ... There's no question, this is where Boss wants to be."

San Diego safety Marlin McCree is also visiting today and will choose between Denver and Buffalo.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8455037

[backup qb]

Why not? Can't make our LB's any worse than last year. Although, I think DJ would've turned out fine in the middle, I am all for him going back to the weakside. If the signing of Boss and Niko allow this, then I am all for it. Lets lock up Mcree and focus on the draft. I would like to see one vet DT brought in, but I'm not sure who is still out there. I think it is safe to say we will be going offense early in this draft, provided Dorsey doesn't slide all the way to 12.

[HEAV]

Champ Bailey gives brotherly shove

There will be a "no vacancy" sign on Champ Bailey's guest room when his kid brother visits Denver today.

"He's staying at a hotel. We're going to treat him just like any other recruit," Bailey said with a chuckle Tuesday.

But in the longer term, the Pro Bowl cornerback is more than willing to extend the welcome mat to Boss, a free-agent linebacker from the Detroit Lions who will visit the Broncos today.

The siblings played together at Charlton County High School in Folkston, Ga., and the University of Georgia. They'd like to add the NFL to that list, if a deal can be struck for Boss, who also is drawing attention from Green Bay, Houston and Atlanta.

Champ Bailey, though, is trying to keep family ties out of the equation and let Boss make a decision based on the merits of the situation.

"He'd like to play with me," Champ Bailey said. "But I've told him to ignore the fact that I'm here. That's all great and everything, but all in all, he's got to do what's best for his career and family. If someone's offering twice as much money, you've got to go get it. This thing doesn't last long."

Boss Bailey was drafted in the second round of the 2003 draft by the Lions. He has started 51 games with 265 tackles (195 solo) and seven sacks.

The 28-year-old linebacker almost certainly won't return to the Lions, who have averaged a little more than five wins during his five-year tenure there.

"I know he's frustrated with losing," Champ Bailey said. "He wants a change."

At the same time, the Broncos' 7-9 finish last season matched the Lions' record, so perhaps it's a lateral move.

"We're going to win," Champ Bailey said he has told his brother during his best previsit sales pitch. "Everything around here is getting better. We can't get much worse than last year."

Perhaps most important in Boss Bailey's decision-making process is that the Broncos have a need at linebacker, particularly on the strong side, which is Bailey's natural spot.

The Broncos this week signed Niko Koutouvides to compete at middle linebacker, which would shift D.J. Williams to the weak- side position, where he's arguably the best fit.

But should they sign Boss Bailey, the Broncos just as easily could keep Williams in the middle, play Jamie Winborn on the weak side and put Bailey over the tight end, with Koutouvides serving as a special-teams ace.

"First and foremost, it is based on need," Champ Bailey said of the prospect of his younger brother joining the lineup. "You let a guy like Ian Gold go, you've got to fill that spot. He's also capable of playing in our system. He's a very versatile, fast guy that we love to have in our linebackers."

ETC.: Receiver Keary Colbert received a $2.5 million signing bonus as part of the three-year deal he signed with the Broncos. He will have base salaries of $605,000, $2 million and $1.5 million and can earn another $500,000 roster bonus in 2010. . . . Safety Marlon McCree also will visit the Broncos today. The veteran safety, formerly of the San Diego Chargers, left Buffalo on Tuesday and told reporters he has narrowed his options to the Bills and Broncos and that he hoped to make a decision by Thursday or Friday. . . . The Broncos officially announced they had signed defensive end John Engelberger and tight end Nate Jackson.


http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/04/broncos-woo-boss-bailey-wednesday/

[RhymesayersDU]

This is all a marketing ploy.

If they sign Boss, everybody will have to go out and buy the new Champ jerseys with "C. Bailey" on the back.

;)

[brncs_fan]

This is all a marketing ploy.

If they sign Boss, everybody will have to go out and buy the new Champ jerseys with "C. Bailey" on the back.

;)

You would be the first one in line.

[SPORTSWRITER]

I hope we sign Boss! I just feel like with him here with Champ GOOD things will happen for our defense! McCree? I'm not sure about him; but we need help there, so maybe picking him up would be worthwhile as well! Man I hope we have a great draft!!

[Killericon]

"Everything around here is getting better. We can't get much worse than last year."

He's saying that after going 7-9...Jesus Christ, I love Champ Bailey.

[Paladin]

As stated in other thread: it would be good to see McCree knock the snot out of Walker, Harrison, Jackson, and other WRs we all love to hate......

All legally, of course.....

[Killericon]

But should they sign Boss Bailey, the Broncos just as easily could keep Williams in the middle, play Jamie Winborn on the weak side and put Bailey over the tight end, with Koutouvides serving as a special-teams ace.

*Joygasm*

[Beantown Bronco]

The Broncos are looking to finalize a contract while he is on the trip for Bailey to play strongside linebacker. "First of all, we need him, that's the biggest thing above him being my brother," Champ Bailey said Tuesday.

First, Champ comes out with a quote a week or so ago that could easily be interpreted as a slam against the offense; now he essentially throws Webster under the bus. This is getting comical.

[55CrushEm]

First, Champ comes out with a quote a week or so ago that could easily be interpreted as a slam against the offense; now he essentially throws Webster under the bus. This is getting comical.

No, he didn't. He was saying the defense needs more help up front....to prevent putting Jay into positions where he HAS to win game in the 4th quarter by himself.

That's the way I took it, anyway.

[2KBack]

*Joygasm*

Seriously, imagine having all our players at their natural positions. That would be an improvement in itself.

[Steve Prefontaine]

First, Champ comes out with a quote a week or so ago that could easily be interpreted as a slam against the offense; now he essentially throws Webster under the bus. This is getting comical.

I didn't interpret it as a slam on Webster, mainly because he said...

"First and foremost, it is based on need," Champ Bailey said of the prospect of his younger brother joining the lineup. "You let a guy like Ian Gold go, you've got to fill that spot. He's also capable of playing in our system. He's a very versatile, fast guy that we love to have in our linebackers."

[montrose]

Seriously, imagine having all our players at their natural positions. That would be an improvement in itself.

Hit the nail on the head.

[Beantown Bronco]

"You let a guy like Ian Gold go, you've got to fill that spot.

That quote is negated by the fact that Boss is not coming here to play Gold's position.

[Steve Prefontaine]

That quote is negated by the fact that Boss is not coming here to play Gold's position.
Yeah, I hear you. I'm just pointing out that Bailey's (stated) reasoning is that the Broncos are down a LB and they need to bring in a new one. With the way the Broncos move LBs around, I don't think it was that out of line to reference Gold as the reason.

[Atwater His Ass]

Meh, I see this as a lateral move for both us and Boss. I don't care either way if he signs here or not.

I think the better value in it would be that if Champ is having thoughts of heading out of town to a more competitive team, that having Boss here would incline him to stick it out a little longer.

[BroncoBuff]

Champ Bailey said Tuesday, "There's no question, this is where Boss wants to be."[/url]
Nice poker face for your bro's contract negotiation, Champ ... :~ohyah!:

[Beantown Bronco]

No, he didn't. He was saying the defense needs more help up front....to prevent putting Jay into positions where he HAS to win game in the 4th quarter by himself.

That's the way I took it, anyway.

I'm talking specifically interpretation.....which others agreed with at the time. Regardless of his intent, his words could've been taken as a shot at the offense. Specifically, he ends the article by saying that they can't make the playoffs unless they have a top 10 defense. That tells me that believes the Broncos offense won't even crack the top 20 or so.....because that would be sufficient to make the playoffs if they had a middle of the road defense.

[BroncoBuff]

That quote is negated by the fact that Boss is not coming here to play Gold's position.
Well, he is in a way - on passing downs, anyway.

Unlike the Sam LBs we've gotten used to (Spragan, Webster), Boss will be GREAT on passing downs. SO great in fact, that I'll bet it's DJ and Boss on the field in nickel situations ... with Koutavides coming off.

[2KBack]

Meh, I see this as a lateral move for both us and Boss. I don't care either way if he signs here or not.

I think the better value in it would be that if Champ is having thoughts of heading out of town to a more competitive team, that having Boss here would incline him to stick it out a little longer.

I Thought the same thing at first, but the more I thought about it. Boss may be Detroits Ian Gold, but the more I read the more it seem his strength is coverage. That is exactly what we neeed on the strong side with the TE in our division.

[Atwater His Ass]

I'm talking specifically interpretation.....which others agreed with at the time. Regardless of his intent, his words could've been taken as a shot at the offense. Specifically, he ends the article by saying that they can't make the playoffs unless they have a top 10 defense. That tells me that believes the Broncos offense won't even crack the top 20 or so.....because that would be sufficient to make the playoffs if they had a middle of the road defense.

I think you're making a mountain out of a mole hill here. Champ is an elite defensive player and I'm sure he wants to be a part of an elite defensive unit. He is obviously biased towards the defense. I take it more as a competitive, talented guy that wants his side of the ball to contribute in a much more meaningful way to the success of the Denver Broncos.

2K...yeah I hope I'm wrong and that if Boss signs here he lights it up and improves our defense...I just don't really seeing him being that important of a piece if he does end up here. But here's to hoping.

[2KBack]

I don't think he'll be a major playmaker, I'm just hoping for a little solidity in the linebacker position.

[Gcver2ver3]

even thouugh i still believe boss bailey sucks...i suppose he can do no worse than nate webster did on the strongside...


maybe playing with champ will somehow raise his level of play...

with that said...its quite a perk for him to come play alongside his brother...thats prolly a dream come true so for that said he should be had a a little bit of a discount price IMO...

[Atwater His Ass]

This is also going to be his last opportunity for a large contract (relative to his skills of course) as well though, so not sure how much of a discount he'd be willing to offer.

If it was me, not much. You don't get to play in the NFL long enough to not cash in for the most you can. Any play could be your last.

[Gcver2ver3]

This is also going to be his last opportunity for a large contract (relative to his skills of course) as well though, so not sure how much of a discount he'd be willing to offer.

If it was me, not much. You don't get to play in the NFL long enough to not cash in for the most you can. Any play could be your last.

i hear ya...

persoanlly i don't believe he's earned a big contract by any stretch of the imagination...but it doesn't matter what i think, all i can do is hope shanny and the crew take the same hard nose "take it or leave it" approach as they did with John Lynch and Ebeneze Ekuban...

[montrose]

I didn't interpret it as a slam on Webster, mainly because he said...

"First and foremost, it is based on need," Champ Bailey said of the prospect of his younger brother joining the lineup. "You let a guy like Ian Gold go, you've got to fill that spot. He's also capable of playing in our system. He's a very versatile, fast guy that we love to have in our linebackers."

Quite honestly, a lot of players don't have the same mentality as coaches, experts or fans in this regard. Often times a player, especially of another position, may not think too much about the individual specific positions but rather the group. In essence, I don't think Champ meant to slam Nate, but was rather implying that with Gold gone we need another linebacker. In my years playing football, and even from talking to a few friends that tasted the NFL briefly, a lot of defensive players don't tend to focus so much on individual position or starter as so many of them rotate in and out and get a chance to try different spots. It's the coaches responsibility to make sure a guy with no business playing SAM like Nate Webster is not playing SAM (I'm looking at you Jim Bates). I highly doubt Champ, in a likely phone interview, thinks to himself, "Man we gotta get Boss here to play the strong-side because Nate sucks." It's probably more like "We gotta get Boss here because we suck."

[MileHighMagic]

Chemistry, chemistry, chemistry.

I love it! Keep em happy and having fun. If the Bailey bros. are productive and having fun going to work, that positive energy will be contagious throughout the locker room and especially on defense.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

even thouugh i still believe boss bailey sucks...i suppose he can do no worse than nate webster did on the strongside...


maybe playing with champ will somehow raise his level of play...

with that said...its quite a perk for him to come play alongside his brother...thats prolly a dream come true so for that said he should be had a a little bit of a discount price IMO...


Can we all drop the charade that we know even an iota about Boss Bailey's play? I'm sure you didnt watch a ton of Detroit Lions game film. I have no clue how good Boss Bailey is...he appears to be athletic, he has a cool name, but unless we watched Detroit Lions game film (which none of us have access to) we really don't know how good/bad he is

[Ambiguous]

I'm glad to see all of the optimism in this thread, and I hope that Boss signs because, well, it seems like any change at all will be a good one for our D.

I honestly thought the consensus was that Boss sucked and no one here wanted him in Denver though.

[OABB]

Can we all drop the charade that we know even an iota about Boss Bailey's play? I'm sure you didnt watch a ton of Detroit Lions game film. I have no clue how good Boss Bailey is...he appears to be athletic, he has a cool name, but unless we watched Detroit Lions game film (which none of us have access to) we really don't know how good/bad he is

Can boss do backflips? that's all I need to know.

[snowspot66]

Can we all drop the charade that we know even an iota about Boss Bailey's play? I'm sure you didnt watch a ton of Detroit Lions game film. I have no clue how good Boss Bailey is...he appears to be athletic, he has a cool name, but unless we watched Detroit Lions game film (which none of us have access to) we really don't know how good/bad he is

Seen him play or not, we've all seen our own linebackers and the decline of Gold. Boss is an upgrade, no matter how small.

[DenverBroncosJM]

I'm glad to see all of the optimism in this thread, and I hope that Boss signs because, well, it seems like any change at all will be a good one for our D.

I honestly thought the consensus was that Boss sucked and no one here wanted him in Denver though.


Dont worry when Boss signs a contract for too much money then everyone will be back on the "He Sucks" wagon.

[Broncos_OTM]

even thouugh i still believe boss bailey sucks...i suppose he can do no worse than nate webster did on the strongside...


maybe playing with champ will somehow raise his level of play...

with that said...its quite a perk for him to come play alongside his brother...thats prolly a dream come true so for that said he should be had a a little bit of a discount price IMO...

atleast we wont have to see nate websters helmet fly off his head 15 times a game

[Doggcow]

Is Boss naturally a SAM or MIKE? Is he a solid Nickle cover backer as well?

[Doggcow]

atleast we wont have to see nate websters helmet fly off his head 15 times a game

Holy **** I just bust out laughing in the middle of my class. I remember that **** like every play rofl.

[Requiem]

Eh, if Niko is getting 3 years, 7.5 million, I'm willing to wager Boss will get somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 million, 12.5 million with about 2.5 million in guarantees. That's my guess anyways.

[JCMElway]

Why not? Can't make our LB's any worse than last year. Although, I think DJ would've turned out fine in the middle, I am all for him going back to the weakside. If the signing of Boss and Niko allow this, then I am all for it. Lets lock up Mcree and focus on the draft. I would like to see one vet DT brought in, but I'm not sure who is still out there. I think it is safe to say we will be going offense early in this draft, provided Dorsey doesn't slide all the way to 12.

If we sign Bailey it's Boss at SAM, DJ at MIKE, and Winborn at WILL. Niko will just back up MIKE, and Webster back up SAM, and maybe WILL too.

[montrose]

Is Boss naturally a SAM or MIKE? Is he a solid Nickle cover backer as well?

He's a natural SAM. He's okay in coverage, not great but certainly an upgrade over Webster if for no other reason - he isn't a midget who TE's can dominate.

I've seen him play a number of good, and not so good games, I'd best describe him to Broncos fans as a better version of Donnie Spragen.

[HEAV]

Holy **** I just bust out laughing in the middle of my class. I remember that **** like every play rofl.

Either the hair (weave) was the issue, or he need a new chin strap.


Is Boss naturally a SAM or MIKE? Is he a solid Nickle cover backer as well?

Boss played Strongside in college and his early years in Detroit. The last few years he has had to go threw the "DJ Williams" treatment of being moved from on backer spot to the next.

His best fit is strongside. He can cover tight ends and backs. He can blitz also and has decent speed in pursuit.

[JCMElway]

I'm glad to see all of the optimism in this thread, and I hope that Boss signs because, well, it seems like any change at all will be a good one for our D.

I honestly thought the consensus was that Boss sucked and no one here wanted him in Denver though.

I'd like Boss in Denver if the price is right. If we can give him an incentive laden deal, or if the contract is in the Colbert/Koutivedes range, then yes, bring him in.

However, he has way too many injury and consistency question marks to sign for top dollar.

[Doggcow]

Eh, if Niko is getting 3 years, 7.5 million, I'm willing to wager Boss will get somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 million, 12.5 million with about 2.5 million in guarantees. That's my guess anyways.

I think he'll only be a solid performer for us for about 3.5million more years, personally.

[BroncoBuff]

We didn't pay Koutavides that kinda dough to play special teams ... I'm thinking Niko will start at MLB and play running downs only. DJ-Will and Boss-Sam, both staying on the field in nickel situations. And that, my friends, is a serious upgrade.

BTW, Boss is physicaly similar to Spragan, but Spragan was horrible in pass coverage, while Boss is well above average for a linebacker. He's both fast and physical, and I for one can't wait to watch him introduce himself to Messrs. Gates and Gonzales.

[Doggcow]

I have a feeling Boss could make a huge impact on our defense. I'm highly anticipating this signing. Any ETA?

[worm]

Nice to have a Rod back on the team.

[HEAV]

Nice to have a Rod back on the team.

His dad named him Rodney, but momma called him The Boss.:wiggle:

[Gcver2ver3]

Can we all drop the charade that we know even an iota about Boss Bailey's play? I'm sure you didnt watch a ton of Detroit Lions game film. I have no clue how good Boss Bailey is...he appears to be athletic, he has a cool name, but unless we watched Detroit Lions game film (which none of us have access to) we really don't know how good/bad he is

relax killer...

last i check, i'm allowed to have an opinion...

i have the sunday ticket and have watched him play...my best friend is a Bear's fan and we've seen plenty of Boss when we watch the Bears play them...

not to mention i've visited at least 4 Lions forums in which the consensus is he sucks...are they all wrong? Plus a Bronco fan on this forum that lives in Detroit vouched the exact same thing...i think thats enough evidence for me to form an opinion on his play...

if he signs with us i'll be rooting for him obviously...and i hope he proves me wrong if thats the case...

but until then my opinion is he sucks...so what?

[montrose]

His dad named him Rodney, but momma called him The Boss.:wiggle:

Much like Roland becoming the Champ.

Beyond the football X's and O's parts, if this happens, it has to be an absolute thrill to the Bailey family. I can't imagine how proud Roland and Rodney's parents would be to watch their sons playing on the same NFL defense every Sunday. For Champ and Boss, it would have to be a thrill as well - I can't think of any brothers that played on the same unit in the NFL during my lifetime.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Boss and Champ...

Those are some seriously football-cool old-school deep-southern nicknames.

[PRBronco]

Can boss do backflips? that's all I need to know.

Haha well I remember when he was a rook he had like a 46" vert at the combine. I'm impressed!

[telluride]

Well, it's a feel good story, if nothing else. Maybe they'll challenge each other to become even better. That'd be good.

[Inkana7]

Much like Roland becoming the Champ.

Beyond the football X's and O's parts, if this happens, it has to be an absolute thrill to the Bailey family. I can't imagine how proud Roland and Rodney's parents would be to watch their sons playing on the same NFL defense every Sunday. For Champ and Boss, it would have to be a thrill as well - I can't think of any brothers that played on the same unit in the NFL during my lifetime.

Weren't the Rams' Youngbloods brothers? Or just had the same last name?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Much like Roland becoming the Champ.

Beyond the football X's and O's parts, if this happens, it has to be an absolute thrill to the Bailey family. I can't imagine how proud Roland and Rodney's parents would be to watch their sons playing on the same NFL defense every Sunday. For Champ and Boss, it would have to be a thrill as well - I can't think of any brothers that played on the same unit in the NFL during my lifetime.

Doug and Dave Widell of your very own Denver Broncos.

[oubronco]

any news yet

[Doggcow]

I could just see their play, well Boss' since Champs can't get much better than best corner ever, raise to a new level. I have a big bro, and I'm sure everyone else here who has brothers knows you will work your effing ass off to beat your brother at anything and everything.

[BABronco]

Champ Bailey gives brotherly shove

There will be a "no vacancy" sign on Champ Bailey's guest room when his kid brother visits Denver today.

"He's staying at a hotel. We're going to treat him just like any other recruit," Bailey said with a chuckle Tuesday.

But in the longer term, the Pro Bowl cornerback is more than willing to extend the welcome mat to Boss, a free-agent linebacker from the Detroit Lions who will visit the Broncos today.

The siblings played together at Charlton County High School in Folkston, Ga., and the University of Georgia. They'd like to add the NFL to that list, if a deal can be struck for Boss, who also is drawing attention from Green Bay, Houston and Atlanta.

Champ Bailey, though, is trying to keep family ties out of the equation and let Boss make a decision based on the merits of the situation.

"He'd like to play with me," Champ Bailey said. "But I've told him to ignore the fact that I'm here. That's all great and everything, but all in all, he's got to do what's best for his career and family. If someone's offering twice as much money, you've got to go get it. This thing doesn't last long."

Boss Bailey was drafted in the second round of the 2003 draft by the Lions. He has started 51 games with 265 tackles (195 solo) and seven sacks.

The 28-year-old linebacker almost certainly won't return to the Lions, who have averaged a little more than five wins during his five-year tenure there.

"I know he's frustrated with losing," Champ Bailey said. "He wants a change."

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/04/broncos-woo-boss-bailey-wednesday/

Hmm ... another guy who wants change. Maybe he should run for prez too. Imagine Boss as prez and champ as vp ... what a glorious day.

[Popps]

I know one hardcore Lions fan. (Believe it or not, they exist.)

He's been pretty spot-on with his player analysis when I've inquired about guys in the past. He nailed Dre Bly dead-on. Said we'd have a love/hate relationship with him by season's end.

Just emailed him about Boss Bailey. Here's his response...

Sucks, the most fragile LB of all time, can run well, but can’t shed blocks and is a terrible tackler.

Just one guy's opinion, albeit a pretty football-savvy guy who's watched him play since he came out.

[Gcver2ver3]

I know one hardcore Lions fan. (Believe it or not, they exist.)

He's been pretty spot-on with his player analysis when I've inquired about guys in the past. He nailed Dre Bly dead-on. Said we'd have a love/hate relationship with him by season's end.

Just emailed him about Boss Bailey. Here's his response...

Sucks, the most fragile LB of all time, can run well, but can’t shed blocks and is a terrible tackler.

Just one guy's opinion, albeit a pretty football-savvy guy who's watched him play since he came out.

thats been the consensus of every Lions fan i've seen so far...

if he signs with us, hopefully things he'll turn around...

[Popps]

thats been the consensus of every Lions fan i've seen so far...

if he signs with us, hopefully things he'll turn around...

Yea, we'll see. This dude's been pretty fair in the past. (Not just kicking guys on the way out.)

For what it's worth, he actually hoped they would keep Shaun Rogers. His stance was that it was a little more circumstance than Rogers being a lost cause. (Though admitted that he took plays off.) That'll be interesting to watch, too.

[nadwiggins]

I know one hardcore Lions fan. (Believe it or not, they exist.)

He's been pretty spot-on with his player analysis when I've inquired about guys in the past. He nailed Dre Bly dead-on. Said we'd have a love/hate relationship with him by season's end.

Just emailed him about Boss Bailey. Here's his response...

Sucks, the most fragile LB of all time, can run well, but can’t shed blocks and is a terrible tackler.

Just one guy's opinion, albeit a pretty football-savvy guy who's watched him play since he came out.

sounds like ian gold:~ohyah!:

[Gcver2ver3]

Yea, we'll see. This dude's been pretty fair in the past. (Not just kicking guys on the way out.)

For what it's worth, he actually hoped they would keep Shaun Rogers. His stance was that it was a little more circumstance than Rogers being a lost cause. (Though admitted that he took plays off.) That'll be interesting to watch, too.

that sounds about right...

on the Lions message boards many of them seemed to want to keep Rogers and many admitted he was much better than Redding but Redding gives 100%while Rogers doesn't...

your Lions friend seems to know the tune of the people in Detroit...

[2KBack]

Name the elite players in Detroit though. I'm convinced it is the type of place that simply sucks the life out of talented players. Players with great abilities are drafted there and do nothing, free agents sign there and dissapear.

[BroncoBuff]

thats been the consensus of every Lions fan i've seen so far...

if he signs with us, hopefully things he'll turn around...
One thing Popps' buddy left out ... he's excellent in pass coverage.

[BroncoBuff]

Well, I have a friend in Detroit who disagrees ... the DETROIT LIONS WEBSITE!

PRO: Bailey is the team’s strongside linebacker, and he provides versatility, having played both inside and outside positions, in the linebacker corps with the use of his speed and talent. As a rookie in 2003, Bailey immediately became the Lions’ starter at strongside linebacker and started all 16 games, emerging as one of the top young linebackers in the NFL and showing the potential to be an all-pro. The Lions took Bailey in the second round with the 34th overall pick in the 2003 NFL Draft.

http://www.detroitlions.com/bio.cfm?bio_id=7&season=9

[Atwater His Ass]

Wow, the lions own website promoting one of their own players. Shocking.

[DBroncos4life]

He still is an upgrade. I'm willing to bet that playing with his brother will only make him better. If we got a true mike and moved DJ back to WLB we may have the best set of LBs we have had in a while.

[oubronco]

He still is an upgrade. I'm willing to bet that playing with his brother will only make him better. If we got a true mike and moved DJ back to WLB we may have the best set of LBs we have had in a while.

isn't that what they signed Niko for ?

[BroncoBuff]

Wow, the lions own website promoting one of their own players. Shocking.
But did you READ it? "one of the top young linebackers in the NFL and showing the potential to be an all-pro."

All-Pro potential, AHA ... All-Pro potential!

[DBroncos4life]

isn't that what they signed Niko for ?

I hope not has the guy ever started? Pretty sure he was signed just because we had nothing else to do that day and we thought his name sounded cool, either that or he will help out on SP teams. If he is the starter then Lynch should have went somewhere else for his last year.

[Denver Crush]

But did you READ it? "one of the top young linebackers in the NFL and showing the potential to be an all-pro."

All-Pro potential, AHA ... All-Pro potential!

get off the crack, smoke some weed instead.:thumbs:

[Atwater His Ass]

But did you READ it? "one of the top young linebackers in the NFL and showing the potential to be an all-pro."

All-Pro potential, AHA ... All-Pro potential!

lol?

[oubronco]

I hope not has the guy ever started? Pretty sure he was signed just because we had nothing else to do that day and we thought his name sounded cool, either that or he will help out on SP teams. If he is the starter then Lynch should have went somewhere else for his last year.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8443449

he was stuck behind lofa tatupu or whatever his name is

[montrose]

Doug and Dave Widell of your very own Denver Broncos.

Didn't think about that, although those were playing when I was about 8 years old.

[DBroncos4life]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8443449

he was stuck behind lofa tatupu or whatever his name is

There was a guy stuck behind Al Wilson and we still moved Williams over. I might be the only one but I sure is hell will not pencil him in as the starter yet.

[Gcver2ver3]

Well, I have a friend in Detroit who disagrees ... the DETROIT LIONS WEBSITE!

[I]

http://www.detroitlions.com/bio.cfm?bio_id=7&season=9

lol...shocker!

[Broncoman13]

Eh, if Niko is getting 3 years, 7.5 million, I'm willing to wager Boss will get somewhere in the neighborhood of 4 million, 12.5 million with about 2.5 million in guarantees. That's my guess anyways.

Sorry bro but I think you're way off. There is a market for Boss. He was a starter unlike Niko. And, he's a cover LB. I'm thinking he'll get 5 years and about $20mil with 5 or 6m in bonuses. Calvin Pace's contract didn't help. He isn't a great player and go big bucks. I'm actually scared that Boss will demand something in the 25-30m range with 10m in guarantees.

[Requiem]

Sorry bro but I think you're way off. There is a market for Boss. He was a starter unlike Niko. And, he's a cover LB. I'm thinking he'll get 5 years and about $20mil with 5 or 6m in bonuses. Calvin Pace's contract didn't help. He isn't a great player and go big bucks. I'm actually scared that Boss will demand something in the 25-30m range with 10m in guarantees.

I'd say it's right in the middle, I can't see him getting top shelf dollar. . . we'll see though. :thumbs:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Didn't think about that, although those were playing when I was about 8 years old.

Not only were they brothers, but they were twins.

And...they had their full names printed on their jerseys!

DOUG WIDELL
DAVE WIDELL

[bowtown]

There was a guy stuck behind Al Wilson and we still moved Williams over. I might be the only one but I sure is hell will not pencil him in as the starter yet.

That guy was our starting Sam last year.

[DBroncos4life]

That guy was our starting Sam last year.

And are we not looking to upgrade that position?

[elsid13]

Broncos trying to land Bailey, McCree
By Lee Rasizer
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/mar/05/broncos-trying-land-bailey-mccree/
Originally published 05:34 p.m., March 5, 2008
Updated 05:34 p.m., March 5, 2008

They’ve wined and dined. Now, it’s time to see if the Denver Broncos can get some free agents signed.

Linebacker Boss Bailey and safety Marlon McCree hit town Wednesday and were ushered off to a nice meal and planned to go to the Denver Nuggets-Phoenix Suns NBA game.

The heart of the two defenders’ visits to the city, though, will take place Thursday when they meet with the coaching staff at Denver’s Dove Valley headquarters to discuss their potential roles. Their agents then will presumably take over from there.

Bailey, brother of Denver cornerback Champ and late of the Detroit Lions, could fill the vacancy in the starting lineup left behind by Ian Gold’s release. But Green Bay, Houston and Atlanta also are in pursuit.

McCree played 30 games over the last two seasons for the San Diego Chargers, and will likely choose between Buffalo, Denver and Carolina sometime this week. Denver also is planning on bringing in another safety, Carolina’s Marquand Manuel, Friday.

The Broncos have also expressed interest in Indianapolis Colts guard Jake Scott and could bring him in for a future visit.

Scott left Tennessee on Wednesday. The Titans have a void in their starting lineup with starting guard Jacob Bell signing with St. Louis.

The Houston Texans are also in the hunt for Scott’s services. The four-year pro broke into the Colts’ starting lineup midway through his rookie season in 2004 and has since been a fixture at right guard for the potent Indy offense.

At 6-foot-5, 295 pounds, Scott also has played right tackle in a pinch and has the athleticism Denver covets in its linemen.


© Rocky Mountain News

[i4jelway7]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8469113


While Boss Bailey joined his brother Champ and other Broncos personnel at the Nuggets' game Wednesday night, the team was trying to reunite the brothers on a full-time basis.
The team worked into the evening and hoped not to allow the Detroit Lions linebacker out of town today without a contract agreement. Bailey, who would play strongside linebacker for the Broncos, also is garnering interest from Green Bay and Houston.
Tuesday, Champ Bailey said the Broncos have a strong need for his brother and that he would be a great fit for the team. The Broncos are making a push for the younger Bailey, whose career in Detroit has been hampered by injuries. Champ Bailey said his brother's athleticism would be utilized well in Denver.
With the Broncos concentrating on Bailey, Green Bay's Tracy White was going to Pittsburgh for a visit. The Broncos were previously planning to bring him in. Former San Diego safety Marlon McCree also began his visit Wednesday night. He would vie for a starting spot if signed.

[Killericon]

Everything else aside, if we sign NOONE else this offseason, but sign Jake Scott, it'll have been a great offseason. How that guy is not drumming up a huge market makes me think I over estimate his ability, but I think he'd be freakin awesome.

[Dedhed]

That quote is negated by the fact that Boss is not coming here to play Gold's position.

No it's not.

[Killericon]

That quote is negated by the fact that Boss is not coming here to play Gold's position.

From the standpoint of a roster without new players, now that Gold is gone, DJ would theoretically fill Gold's spot, Nate would theoretically fillm the Mike spot, and so Gold's release creates a vacuum that Boss would fill by playing a position that Gold did not.

[Dedhed]

Seriously, imagine having all our players at their natural positions. That would be an improvement in itself.

I agree completely. That's why I think that adding a true Mike like Kout is a great addition. Even if he's merely average he would make our LB corps much better. DJ adjusted fairly well to being inside, but he was still just an average Mike. From what I've read on Kout, he's more football player than athlete, and I think that's the type of guy you want in the middle. Great instincts, nasty demeanor.

I think having DJ back at Will will be a huge upgrade, and free him up to be a dominant defender. He looked like a freak in his rookie year, and then we had to ruin it by bringing back Gold and counting on DJs athletic ability to carry him through. I think that putting DJ at Will would do more for us than any move in FA.

Boss may have his detractors, but he's a legit Sam who is vastly more talented than Webster, and fits perfectly with what the Broncos want their LBs to do. I think having DJ and Boss on the edges would give us a lot of options with blitz packages, which I think is going to be a staple in the coming years.

[i4jelway7]

I agree completely. That's why I think that adding a true Mike like Kout is a great addition. Even if he's merely average he would make our LB corps much better. DJ adjusted fairly well to being inside, but he was still just an average Mike. From what I've read on Kout, he's more football player than athlete, and I think that's the type of guy you want in the middle. Great instincts, nasty demeanor.

I think having DJ back at Will will be a huge upgrade, and free him up to be a dominant defender. He looked like a freak in his rookie year, and then we had to ruin it by bringing back Gold and counting on DJs athletic ability to carry him through. I think that putting DJ at Will would do more for us than any move in FA.

Boss may have his detractors, but he's a legit Sam who is vastly more talented than Webster, and fits perfectly with what the Broncos want their LBs to do. I think having DJ and Boss on the edges would give us a lot of options with blitz packages, which I think is going to be a staple in the coming years.

I couldn't agree more and you took the words right out of my mouth. IMO our starting LB's will be:

Boss on the Left (regardless of how he does here or how much negative pub he has been getting on this board I was in favor of this move last year when Champ talked about him being a free agent this year)
Niko @ MLB (he will beat out Webster in training camp)
Williams @ ROLB (this will be the BEST move of the offseason, DJ is a beast at the ROLB)

[Broncoman13]

I agree completely. That's why I think that adding a true Mike like Kout is a great addition. Even if he's merely average he would make our LB corps much better. DJ adjusted fairly well to being inside, but he was still just an average Mike. From what I've read on Kout, he's more football player than athlete, and I think that's the type of guy you want in the middle. Great instincts, nasty demeanor.

I think having DJ back at Will will be a huge upgrade, and free him up to be a dominant defender. He looked like a freak in his rookie year, and then we had to ruin it by bringing back Gold and counting on DJs athletic ability to carry him through. I think that putting DJ at Will would do more for us than any move in FA.

Boss may have his detractors, but he's a legit Sam who is vastly more talented than Webster, and fits perfectly with what the Broncos want their LBs to do. I think having DJ and Boss on the edges would give us a lot of options with blitz packages, which I think is going to be a staple in the coming years.

:strong: Nice post Dedhed!!!

[Beantown Bronco]

From the standpoint of a roster without new players, now that Gold is gone, DJ would theoretically fill Gold's spot, Nate would theoretically fillm the Mike spot, and so Gold's release creates a vacuum that Boss would fill by playing a position that Gold did not.

2 things:

1. A roster w/o new players? Really.....forgetting about Niko?

2. If DJ fill's Gold's spot, Niko - Not Nate would go to Mike, and Boss would go to Sam......Webster would be the odd man out.

Gold's release and the signing of Boss are two completely separate events that have no bearing on each other, specifically because of the position differences and the signing of Niko.

[Dedhed]

2 things:

1. A roster w/o new players? Really.....forgetting about Niko?

2. If DJ fill's Gold's spot, Niko - Not Nate would go to Mike, and Boss would go to Sam......Webster would be the odd man out.

Gold's release and the signing of Boss are two completely separate events that have no bearing on each other, specifically because of the position differences and the signing of Niko.

You're looking at this in a vacuum, where nothing happens as it does in reality. Webster is a MLB who played Sam because of injuries and a lack of other options. The release of Gold tells me that the Broncos are done experimenting with DJ and are ready to allow him to be the dominant Will he always should have been. That leaves Webster and Niko to battle for the Mike spot, and leaves a gaping hole at the Sam spot.

[Beantown Bronco]

The release of Gold tells me that the Broncos are done experimenting with DJ and are ready to allow him to be the dominant Will he always should have been. That leaves Webster and Niko to battle for the Mike spot, and leaves a gaping hole at the Sam spot.

Obviously only the coaches know how it's going to go down, but by simply reading this thread, it seems like the majority of the posters agree with my belief that DJ is going back to Will, Niko will be either handed the Mike spot or will compete with a rookie for it (if they grab one early), and Webster will be the odd man out, backing up Bailey at Sam. In that scenario, Niko addressed the gap caused by Gold leaving and anything that happens after that signing is unrelated to the Gold situation.

In other words, if people are saying that the open Gold roster spot was the sole catalyst for a potential Bailey signing, then they also must believe that if Gold was not cut, then Bailey would not be coming here. I simply believe that Bailey would be coming in regardless of whether or not Gold was still on the roster.

[TheReverend]

Obviously only the coaches know how it's going to go down, but by simply reading this thread, it seems like the majority of the posters agree with my belief that DJ is going back to Will, Niko will be either handed the Mike spot or will compete with a rookie for it (if they grab one early), and Webster will be the odd man out, backing up Bailey at Sam. In that scenario, Niko addressed the gap caused by Gold leaving and anything that happens after that signing is unrelated to the Gold situation.

In other words, if people are saying that the open Gold roster spot was the sole catalyst for a potential Bailey signing, then they also must believe that if Gold was not cut, then Bailey would not be coming here. I simply believe that Bailey would be coming in regardless of whether or not Gold was still on the roster.

Here's how it's going down.

DJ is going back to will. Niko is special teams depth. Denver trades with Dallas and Dan Connor plays the middle.

[Beantown Bronco]

Here's how it's going down.

DJ is going back to will. Niko is special teams depth. Denver trades with Dallas and Dan Connor plays the middle.

I assume Denver is getting both of Dallas' first rounders in that scenario. Who would you like to see them grab with the other pick?

[worm]

Here's how it's going down.

DJ is going back to will. Niko is special teams depth. Denver trades with Dallas and Dan Connor plays the middle.


So it is written....so it shall be done.

[TheReverend]

I assume Denver is getting both of Dallas' first rounders in that scenario. Who would you like to see them grab with the other pick?

Honestly... if Connor is in Orange and Blue... and we have a Mike with fire that can play in traffic again... I don't think I care.

If I had to pick... Desean Jackson? Another option for Jay and a special teams addition.

Grab Laws in the second, Zibikowski (spelling?) in the fourth and then O-line depth and a kicker.

[montrose]

Here's how it's going down.

DJ is going back to will. Niko is special teams depth. Denver trades with Dallas and Dan Connor plays the middle.

That would own on so many levels. How's this look? Denver trades #12 to Dallas for #28 (1st rd), #61 pick (2nd rd), #92 pick (3rd rd) and #187 (6th rd). The trade is almost equal on the value chart, actually we're giving up a little. The deal would give Jerry Jones almost 2000 value chart points with his two 1st rounders to move up for McFadden.

Now to us. We get to move down to the bottom of the 1st round and not feel as guilty taking Connor (or Phillips, Manningham, etc.), paying them a lot less. We then pickup an extra 2nd and get back into the 3rd and 6th rounds. Look at the picks we'd have!

1st - 28
2nd - 42
2nd - 61
3rd - 92
4th - 104
4th - 115
5th - 130
5th - 140
6th - 187
7th - 202
7th - 209

11 picks to bring in an influx of talent at OL, DL, WR, FB, S, P/K and more!

[Mountain Bronco]

^^^ I would love that scenario, but it makes to much sense.

[Popcorn Sutton]

That would own on so many levels. How's this look? Denver trades #12 to Dallas for #28 (1st rd), #61 pick (2nd rd), #92 pick (3rd rd) and #187 (6th rd). The trade is almost equal on the value chart, actually we're giving up a little. The deal would give Jerry Jones almost 2000 value chart points with his two 1st rounders to move up for McFadden.

Now to us. We get to move down to the bottom of the 1st round and not feel as guilty taking Connor (or Phillips, Manningham, etc.), paying them a lot less. We then pickup an extra 2nd and get back into the 3rd and 6th rounds. Look at the picks we'd have!

1st - 28
2nd - 42
2nd - 61
3rd - 92
4th - 104
4th - 115
5th - 130
5th - 140
6th - 187
7th - 202
7th - 209

11 picks to bring in an influx of talent at OL, DL, WR, FB, S, P/K and more!

I just wet myself at the thought although highly unlikely.