Will Hillary sabotage Obama?

[Kaylore]

I was just thinking that she'd probably try and take this thing all the way to the convention to make him as vulnerable as possible. If Obama runs and wins then she'd have to wait eight years to run again at which time Americans may have turned the page on her and her husband (I think they already have, but I digress).

My thought was that she's going to be damned before she lets someone steal her nomination (and we all know she thinks its "hers"). I could see her bleeding this out as long as possible to make Obama weak entering the general. I'm not sure it would work, but it seems like something she'd do.

Thoughts?

[theAPAOps5]

Hopefully for Democrats their party puts a stop to it but I don't put anything past the Clintons. I expect her to fully go after MI and FL votes if they benefit her as she won them and they should have a say. Of course she fails to mention that Obama wasn't even on the ticket. She may very well become what the Democrats have hated for 8 years. A person who won the nomination by lawsuit and against the popular vote. That would spell disaster for the party and with McCain already beating her head to head it would seal the election for him.

Thats just my theory on what will transpire. Hopefully calmer heads will prevail and the one who deserves it will get it. That appears to be Obama.

[frerottenextelway]

You mean that's not what she's been doing? She's not stupid, she knows there's no path to the nomination right now.

[Kaylore]

You mean that's not what she's been doing? She's not stupid, she knows there's no path to the nomination right now.

I considered that but figured she really believed she had a shot purely based on hubris.

[theAPAOps5]

Well she is pathetic then. If she can't win she is going to sink the whole party? That is downright Bush league.

[Rohirrim]

No, she won't do that. She'll keep fighting until it's a sure thing, but then I think she'll realize that it's really not so bad being a Senator from NY. You can still accomplish a lot. I imagine she'll call Obama and deal, probably getting some major input on the health care front, which is her main concern.

[24champ]

Hillary has already begun assailing Obama...


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[Kaylore]

No, she won't do that. She'll keep fighting until it's a sure thing, but then I think she'll realize that it's really not so bad being a Senator from NY.
You really don't know the Clintons very well.

[cutthemdown]

Hopefully for Democrats their party puts a stop to it but I don't put anything past the Clintons. I expect her to fully go after MI and FL votes if they benefit her as she won them and they should have a say. Of course she fails to mention that Obama wasn't even on the ticket. She may very well become what the Democrats have hated for 8 years. A person who won the nomination by lawsuit and against the popular vote. That would spell disaster for the party and with McCain already beating her head to head it would seal the election for him.

Thats just my theory on what will transpire. Hopefully calmer heads will prevail and the one who deserves it will get it. That appears to be Obama.

The funny thing is that Democrats cried so bad when they felt every vote in FLA wasn't counted. Now they say even though the state legally changed the primary date they won't seat any delegates from there. I think all the states should count, the people voted for a reason. Not fair for your vote not to count no matter what party you are. Missing a few votes is probably commonplace but a whole state not counting? that doesn't seem right.

[Dukes]

Hearing about republicans voting for her today is hilarious. Keep her in it for as long as possible because it is "her" nomination in her eyes.

[theAPAOps5]

The funny thing is that Democrats cried so bad when they felt every vote in FLA wasn't counted. Now they say even though the state legally changed the primary date they won't seat any delegates from there. I think all the states should count, the people voted for a reason. Not fair for your vote not to count no matter what party you are. Missing a few votes is probably commonplace but a whole state not counting? that doesn't seem right.

I absolutely agree. The problem is all the candidates agreed they wouldn't participate in those states. Most of them kept their promise save for Billary. Obama wasn't even on the ballot. It wouldn't be fair for those votes to count unless they started from scratch.

[cutthemdown]

I absolutely agree. The problem is all the candidates agreed they wouldn't participate in those states. Most of them kept their promise save for Billary. Obama wasn't even on the ballot. It wouldn't be fair for those votes to count unless they started from scratch.

I understand that. And I do agree its funny how once Clinton won them she was all for them be counted. I bet had Obama won he would go for them as well. My point is that no one should be able to make any agreement that robs a state of its input. Things like that could tear the republic apart. Also it could backfire and make Fla vote for McCain in the general. Who knows maybe Michigan also.

[Bronco Bob]

I absolutely agree. The problem is all the candidates agreed they wouldn't participate in those states. Most of them kept their promise save for Billary. Obama wasn't even on the ballot. It wouldn't be fair for those votes to count unless they started from scratch.

Obama and Edwards were on the Florida ballot. And Obama was running
ads that aired in Florida.

[Kaylore]

She's got Ohio and now she's pulling away in Texas! Looks like this campaign is going to drag on!

[Dukes]

Whoever can get enough superdeligates will be the winner. Last I heard many were supporting Obama, but I'm sure Billary will have something to say about that.

[cutthemdown]

Whoever can get enough superdeligates will be the winner. Last I heard many were supporting Obama, but I'm sure Billary will have something to say about that.

Super delegates are fair game if the delegate count is close enough. But if it gets to that Dems are going to rip each other apart and give repubs plenty of things to point to come the general election. Repubs have a way more effective way of handling the primary.

[Bronco Bob]

Whoever can get enough superdeligates will be the winner. Last I heard many were supporting Obama, but I'm sure Billary will have something to say about that.

So far Hillary has 241 Super Delegates and Obama has 199.

[Dukes]

Why do you think dems have superdelegates anyway? Because they don't trust their voters "just in case".

[Bronco Bob]

Why do you think dems have superdelegates anyway? Because they don't trust their voters "just in case".

Yes, that's the reason. The Dems saw what happened when McGovern
won the nomination. They don't want another McGovern.

[cutthemdown]

GO BILLIARY. Hell she's the most conservative one left!!!!!!

[Inkana7]

All signs point to yes, which makes me uneasy. I can't take another 4 years of a Republican in office.

[Bronco Bob]

GO BILLIARY. Hell she's the most conservative one left!!!!!!

I think with her big wins in Ohio and Rhode Island that even if
she loses Texas by a few points, Mrs. Clinton is going to stay
in the race all the way to Puerto Rico. Now that the press
is starting to take a second look at Obama, it would be silly
for her to drop out now.

[ScottXray]

Hillary is ALREADY sabotaging Obama.

Yesterday she said something about her experience...35 years blah blah.. I 'm ready to lead, day one etc.

THEN she said John McCain is also experienced for many years and ready to lead.

And THEN she said "Barack Obama gave a speech in 2004....and that does Not make him ready."

By belittling Obama she just as well might have said...If I can't win the nomination then vote for McCain.

You can bet that that clip (it's on video) is going to be used by McCains attack dogs when the general election gets going...and rightly...

Hillary sucks...she'll do ANYTHING to win the nomination....

[Bronco Bob]

Hillary sucks...she'll do ANYTHING to win the nomination....

And this makes her any different than Obama how?

[Rohirrim]

Nah. Bush I did the same thing against Raygun with all his "voodoo economics" talk. Raygun still won.

[Taco John]

Not only will she, but she's been actively engaged in it for a few weeks now.

[Bronco Bob]

Not only will she, but she's been actively engaged in it for a few weeks now.

As has been Obama against her.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Its funny to watch the local dem brigade argue amongst themselves! Ha!

I guess if there is no great monster to rail against, then they eat each other.

[Bronco Bob]

Its funny to watch the local dem brigade argue amongst themselves! Ha!

I guess if there is no great monster to rail against, then they eat each other.

Well, the Pubs were doing the same thing until McCain locked it up.
Now they are either resigned to voting for him to keep a Dem out
or sitting this one out and waiting for 2012.

[ScottXray]

And this makes her any different than Obama how?
Obama won't sabotage his own party if he loses....he'll give all his support to Clinton if she wins the nomination somehow. He won't deliberately attach her in a way that gives the opposition any real ammunition.

How can Clinton take back a comment like that...?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Well, the Pubs were doing the same thing until McCain locked it up.
Now they are either resigned to voting for him to keep a Dem out
or sitting this one out and waiting for 2012.

Im not so sure. I think that the Dems will have a hard time selling both Clinton and Obama. McCain has crossover appeal, and will have to consolidate the conservative base to have any success. Neither Clintok or Obama have crossover appeal, and both of them divide their base as much as McCain does.

I am interested to see how the dems try to sell one or the other candidate to the public in the general election.

[Rohirrim]

I see the bias of the media is still in operation. Billary wins Ohio, RI, and maybe Texas, and Olberman and Matthews are asking people if they think Billary should drop out. Why the hell would she drop out? What's up with this country? Are we so sissified that we can't even stand a political battle anymore? Take Billary's little sleeping kids ad and put it up against Willie Horton. Geez. People are getting worked up over fluff.

[Rohirrim]

WTF? The MSNBC political pundits are now explaining how you can win the popular vote in Texas and lose the delegate race. What is it about our country that we can't understand the simplest concepts of democracy: If you win the most votes, you win the election? The same thing happened in Nevada. Billary won the state, but Obama got more delegates. Hell, the same thing happened to Gore. And we wonder why people don't want to vote.

[Bronco Bob]

I see the bias of the media is still in operation. Billary wins Ohio, RI, and maybe Texas, and Olberman and Matthews are asking people if they think Billary should drop out. Why the hell would she drop out? What's up with this country? Are we so sissified that we can't even stand a political battle anymore? Take Billary's little sleeping kids ad and put it up against Willie Horton. Geez. People are getting worked up over fluff.

Matthews, Russet, and Olberman are so much in love with Obama
that they out to change the name of the network from NBC to OBC.
I don't even watch them anymore.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Matthews, Russet, and Olberman are so much in love with Obama
that they out to change the name of the network from NBC to OBC.
I don't even watch them anymore.

The local stations here in the metroplex fawn over Clintok incessantly.

They have their Obamamoments as well, but its all Hillary all the time here. It's as if one of those ridiculous news magazine shows have taken over the newscasts and just follow Hillary around like paparazzi.

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[Kaylore]

This is an interesting story. Even with her wins, she would have win the rest of the primaries by 57% in order to overtake Obama:

http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240

I suppose she could tell the super delegates to ignore the will of the party rank-and-file and go with her, but at the rate she's going she isn't going to pull this thing out.

[cutthemdown]

I think with her big wins in Ohio and Rhode Island that even if
she loses Texas by a few points, Mrs. Clinton is going to stay
in the race all the way to Puerto Rico. Now that the press
is starting to take a second look at Obama, it would be silly
for her to drop out now.

I totally agree she has nothing to lose, she won't be dropping out. She will either be president or go back to senate then probably retire after a few more terms. It's President or bust for Mrs Clinton, she won't give up because she knows this is her last chance.

[cutthemdown]

WTF? The MSNBC political pundits are now explaining how you can win the popular vote in Texas and lose the delegate race. What is it about our country that we can't understand the simplest concepts of democracy: If you win the most votes, you win the election? The same thing happened in Nevada. Billary won the state, but Obama got more delegates. Hell, the same thing happened to Gore. And we wonder why people don't want to vote.

not to mention the people in Mich and Fla who get no say in the democratic nominee because of rules. The peoples voices should be heard regardless of what party you pull for. This craziness has got to end, all of the states should do it the same way. We need election reform!!!

[Bronco Bob]

I suppose she could tell the super delegates to ignore the will of the party rank-and-file and go with her, but at the rate she's going she isn't going to pull this thing out.

If the DNC can ignore Florida and Michigan, why should the Super Delegates
be bound to the will of the DNC? And if the Super Delegates and going to
go with the will of the people in their states, does that mean Teddy Kennedy
and John Kerry should switch their support to Hillary? After all Hillary won
Massachusetts huge. The only obligation the Super Delegates should be
under is who has the best chance to win in November. That's why they
were created, to keep another McGovern from getting the nomination,
someone who catches the eye of the radical left of the party, but
has no appeal to the general public.

[TailgateNut]

If the DNC can ignore Florida and Michigan, why should the Super Delegates
be bound to the will of the DNC? And if the Super Delegates and going to
go with the will of the people in their states, does that mean Teddy Kennedy
and John Kerry should switch their support to Hillary? After all Hillary won
Massachusetts huge. The only obligation the Super Delegates should be
under is who has the best chance to win in November. That's why they
were created, to keep another McGovern from getting the nomination,
someone who catches the eye of the radical left of the party, but
has no appeal to the general public.


The super delegates can do as they will, but WILL have to deal with the consequences of the actions. I guarantee it. (using a Dman favorite:wiggle: ).

[El Guapo]

All signs point to yes, which makes me uneasy. I can't take another 4 years of a Republican in office.

I intentionally voted for hillary yesterday (as well as many people I know) in order to throw the dem's into chaos. bwahahaa, I love it.

McCain/Huck in '08!

[TailgateNut]

I intentionally voted for hillary yesterday (as well as many people I know) in order to throw the dem's into chaos. bwahahaa, I love it.

McCain/Huck in '08!

From what I understand re: Texass voting laws, you are now only allowed to vote Democratic for the next year, which IMO shows your lack of gray matter.

[Bronco Bob]

The super delegates can do as they will, but WILL have to deal with the consequences of the actions. I guarantee it. (using a Dman favorite:wiggle: ).

Say when all is said an done, Hillary has more of the popular vote
and Obama has more pledged delegates. Who should the Super
Delegates go with, the will of the majority of people or go with
the pledged delegates, many of whom came from caucus states
where not very many people voted. And what sort of punishment
should Ted Kennedy and John Kerry get if they decide to vote
for Obama, despite the fact Hillary won big in their state.

[Bronco Bob]

From what I understand re: Texass voting laws, you are now only allowed to vote Democratic for the next year, which IMO shows your lack of gray matter.

In the general election Maverick can vote for whom ever he wants to.

[footstepsfrom#27]

This is how I see it. Last night the score was 28-17 Obama and the 4th quarter just started. Now it's 33-24 and the clock is ticking. Hillary got the TD and Obama kicked two FG's...who's really still in the driver's seat? We don't even know for sure if Hillary won Texas until they count the caucus results.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I intentionally voted for hillary yesterday (as well as many people I know) in order to throw the dem's into chaos. bwahahaa, I love it.

McCain/Huck in '08!

I am hearing alot of this from area Repubs. We had a huge disparity here between Dem and Repub voters, 3 to 1 I believe, in favor or the Dems. It doesnt take a genius to discern the reasons behind that in a largely conservative state. I believe that there are two reasons why this was the case, and that they go hand-in-hand: 1) McCain has the nomination sewn up, 2) The Repubs decided to spend their vote in the primaries to effect the Dem race instead.

I personally know a rather large group of important people who voted Dem to have a tangible effect on the Dem race. I was asked to go, but I decided not to vote in the primaries. I probably would have voted for Obama had I gone, but because I want to see more of what he has to offer.

[footstepsfrom#27]

I probably would have voted for Obama had I gone, but because I want to see more of what he has to offer.
Hey Llama...go buy a copy of The Audacity of Hope and see what you think.

[Bronco Bob]

I am hearing alot of this from area Repubs. We had a huge disparity here between Dem and Repub voters, 3 to 1 I believe, in favor or the Dems. It doesnt take a genius to discern the reasons behind that in a largely conservative state. I believe that there are two reasons why this was the case, and that they go hand-in-hand: 1) McCain has the nomination sewn up, 2) The Repubs decided to spend their vote in the primaries to effect the Dem race instead.

I personally know a rather large group of important people who voted Dem to have a tangible effect on the Dem race. I was asked to go, but I decided not to vote in the primaries. I probably would have voted for Obama had I gone, but because I want to see more of what he has to offer.

According to the CNN exit polls, 66% Democrats, 9% Republicans, and 25%
independents voted in the Democratic primary in Texas.
Of these Hillary won the Democrats by 53%, and Obama won the
Republicans by 53%, and Obama won the independents by 49%.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#TXDEM

[epicSocialism4tw]

According to the CNN exit polls, 66% Democrats, 9% Republicans, and 25%
independents voted in the Democratic primary in Texas.
Of these Hillary won the Democrats by 53%, and Obama won the
Republicans by 53%, and Obama won the independents by 49%.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/epolls/index.html#TXDEM

Texas independents are conservatives...and I wouldnt count on Texas Repubs owning up to that fact for an exit poller.

[El Guapo]

In the general election Maverick can vote for whom ever he wants to.

bingo.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Hey Llama...go buy a copy of The Audacity of Hope and see what you think.

Im too busy right now...how about a synopsis? ;D

[footstepsfrom#27]

Im too busy right now...how about a synopsis? ;D
Don't want to cheat you out of the experience of reading it, but it will make you respect this guy I promise you.

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[Dukes]

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They won't have to against McCain