Javon Walker officially a FAIDER (M)

[rovolution]

Javon Walker-WR-Broncos Mar. 4 - 8:45 pm et



Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Javon Walker is visiting the Raiders and could sign as soon as Wednesday.
Walker would replace Jerry Porter in Oakland, but signing with the Raiders won't do much to rekindle his fantasy value.




We all know how Al lured former Broncos into his grasp.

The Faide would be perfect for Javon considering that winning means nothing to him.

[Los Broncos]

Oh no, i can see it all now.

Javon burns Champ!

[cutthemdown]

Javon is injury prone and has had major surgery and a minorr surgery all in the last 3 yrs. Considering he has missed 2 of the last 3 yrs the writing is on the wall. He's one more setback from being a washed up nobody. Anyone who pays him at this point is crazy. It was a risk when he had missed a whole yr and had a bad knee, it's extremely risky now that we have seen more of Javon. He has for one showed he is a bad apple, complains, and says anything to get his way. Also he has shown he misses as much time as he plays nowdays.

I hope Oakland does sign him it will be a downgrade from a healthy Porter.

[Orange_Beard]

lol

[silverwing]

Oh no, i can see it all now.

Javon burns Champ!

Oh no, i can see it all now.

Javon missing most of the season because of a messed up knee!

[Los Broncos]

Oh no, i can see it all now.

Javon missing most of the season because of a messed up knee!

I hope so.

[HEAV]

Oh no, i can see it all now.

Javon burns Champ!

Javon isn't burn'n anyone. Watch the last few games he played in for Denver. He wasn't able to get past coverage.


Funny how he had so many teams interested in him, yet he's going to the Faid...

[montrose]

Great. I can see a Russell to Walker bomb beating us.

[Sassy]

Personally, I think that sucks. :(
Especially if his knee ends up being ok.

[Kaylore]

Personally, I think that's great.

[backup qb]

Personally, I think that's great.

I second that. I think its fitting myself.

[HEAV]

Great. I can see a Russell to Walker bomb beating us.

Not with Harris blocking for Russell;D


Relax everyone. Javon is not the same player he was in 2006. He lost a step after the "clean out" procedure and looked rather average the rest of the season.

That knee is a ticking time bomb.

[Traveler]

Wide receiver Javon Walker, released by the Denver Broncos on Friday, agreed to a deal with the division-rival Oakland Raiders on Tuesday, a source told ESPN.com's Michael Smith.

The terms of the deal call for Walker to receive a six-year, $55 million contract that includes more than $16 million in guarantees and pays him roughly $27 million over the first three years of the deal.

Soon after being released, at least a third of the league reached out to the six-year veteran.

Injuries limited Walker to eight games last season and he finished with 26 catches for 287 yards and no touchdowns.

He started the season with two 100-yard games before missing two months following a third knee operation.

Beginning his career with the Packers, Walker played two seasons in Denver. He had 69 catches for 1,084 yards and eight TDs the first season. But the offseason was punctuated by tragedy. Involved in a drive-by shooting soon after the season ended, teammate Darrent Williams died in Walker's arms.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3277219

[HEAV]

The terms of the deal call for Walker to receive a six-year, $55 million contract that includes more than $16 million in guarantees and pays him roughly $27 million over the first three years of the deal.



They (Al cript keep Davis) over paid. Have fun in cap hell Faid fan!

[Broncojef]

That is awesome, both Kwame and Javon to the Fade. It sure will be great seeing him on the bench every year they come to visit. :giggle: :giggle:

[tsiguy96]

omg i cant wait for champ to pick off russell 3 times in a game.

[chaz]

Al just gave him Randy Moss money!! i'm sooo glad he's absolutely retarded...it makes putting up with some of our bad decisions A LOT more bearable.

[cabronco]

Good luck with that signing faiders...actually its probably a good fit for both parties. The perfect marriage.

[Ratboy]

Holy ****, Javon cashed in.

[Triplelefthook]

wow i hate javon

[SoCalBronco]

He read the market very well. The decision not to renegotiate was a very rational one.

[Broncos123]

They deserve each other. Who would give 16 million to someone that has had two knee operations? Oh yea, Al Davis.

[55CrushEm]

He gauged the market very well. The decision not to renegotiate was a very rational one.

Maybe....maybe not. I didn't hear of any other team making an offer. And we all know big Al is senile. My guess is Javon jumped on the only big offer he was ever going to get.

[Ratboy]

I think i would play for the Raiders too if they decided to pay me triple of what i'm worth.

Kwame got a 16m deal from the Raiders too, damn. What the hell is going on in that **** hole?

[chaz]

He's gonna bitch that he wants out of Oakland within 18 months. Mark it down.

[clint7]

And the front office magic continues in Oakland!

[silverwing]

LOL @ the contract!!

Al Davis makes me laugh all the time. Hilarious!

[Ratboy]

He's gonna b**** that he wants out of Oakland within 18 months. Mark it down.

He just made 16m, i doubt he'll complain too much. Javon got what Javon wanted.. MONEY.

[Broncos123]

He's gonna b**** that he wants out of Oakland within 18 months. Mark it down.

I don't think he will last 18 months because his knee will give out.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Al Davis trying to spend all his money?

[bpc]

This is the best possible thing that I could see happening for Javon. Forget winning, get paid and get to be the ultimate loser.

LOVE IT.

He could have that microsurgery any time now and I would be completely fine with it.

[clint7]

This just in...Al Davis has signed Heath Shuler and Ki-Jana Carter to 5 year deals...each with $15 million in guaranteed bonuses. :)

[SouthStndJunkie]

Looks like winning is not high on Javon's priority list.

[Kaylore]

Looks like winning is not high on Javon's priority list.

It never was. This is about $$$$

[Dukes]

This is awesome.

[theAPAOps5]

The terms of the deal call for Walker to receive a six-year, $55 million contract that includes more than $16 million in guarantees and pays him roughly $27 million over the first three years of the deal.



They (Al cript keep Davis) over paid. Have fun in cap hell Faid fan!

I can't believe Al is spending what he is spending. This piece of trash is going to kill the cap down the road. Especially with the other free agent money he threw out.

Can't wait for this pansy ass to play in Mile High next year. If he isn't already injured of course.

[SoCalBronco]

Looks like winning is not high on Javon's priority list.

If it were, then he still wouldn't be here.

[Traveler]

Didn't he say something to the effect that he didn't have a problem playing
2nd fiddle to another receiver? To look at who will be across from him?

And the winner is...Ronald Curry?

[Dr. Broncenstein]

You think Al cares about the cap ramifications? He's spending money like there is no tomrrow.... because there isn't. He's going to bury that franchise with him.

[theAPAOps5]

If it were, then he still wouldn't be here.

You sure have been a wet blanket lately. What gives?

[TallyBronco]

Best news for the Broncos all week. A division rival has committed $16 million to a receiver with a low probability of actually performing at the level of his salary.

[Kaylore]

If it were, then he still wouldn't be here.

Ouch.

[RunSilentRunDeep]

The terms of the deal call for Walker to receive a six-year, $55 million contract that includes more than $16 million in guarantees and pays him roughly $27 million over the first three years of the deal.



They (Al cript keep Davis) over paid. Have fun in cap hell Faid fan!

The Broncos may have screwed up by releasing him earlier than they had to. They should have waited until the minute before his bonus was due. That way, other teams would have had most time to digest the cheapness of the $5.4M bonus.

I'd love to know if the Raiders and Broncos talked at all. To not even give up a conditional 2009 pick to dave $11M dollars on a guy with a troubled knee is shocking. GMs around the league must be laughing their tails off.

[Tha rock]

You think Al cares about the cap ramifications? He's spending money like there is no tomrrow.... because there isn't. He's going to bury that franchise with him.


Bro this is pretty much the last signing. They'll proably cut Lamont,rhodes and save 10 mil there, they cut simms and that saved them 5 mil, a retired sapp saved them 8.5 mil and they were already under the cap by 26 mil so they still have money even after all of this.

[ohiobronco2]

Can't wait for the reception he receives when he comes back. LOL He got what he deserved.

[montrose]

Congrats to Javon, he got exactly what he wanted - money.

[theAPAOps5]

Oakland already trying to spin this one. They just gave Javon, 3rd person, Walker a contract he will never deserve. They guy will be injured by week 7 count on it.

[ward63]

I like it...he's going to get upset bout not getting the ball. But Javon had to go where Javon fits in best. Javon thinks that Javon fits in best with an O-line that's horrible and an unproven QB, but Javon thinks that Jamarcus can chuck the ball and Javon likes to run streaks and go routes so expect Javon to do well and Javon to put up numbers. Anyways, Al's spending money like he's about to croak over...oh wait...

[Raider Bill]

I like it...he's going to get upset bout not getting the ball.

LOL who's going to get it?

He's going to get the lions share of the looks when he's out there. Curry is a chain mover and Johnnie Lee Higgins is useless.

[HEAV]

Well this means ESPN has penciled in Raiders @ Broncos for one of their Monday night games.

[rovolution]

Can't wait for the reception he receives when he comes back. LOL He got what he deserved.

its will be Quitterson X 10


I cant wait to boo this freaking turd.

I already crumpled up his jersey and tossed it waaayyyy back in my closet.


Ill be rocking my new #84....The Mitchell and Neiss Shannon Sharpe throwback baby!!!!!!!

[MileHighMagic]

The reception that bitch is gonna get when he comes back to Mile High in silver and black is going to be a beautiful thing. Quitterson would feel loved...

[plummershelper]

I can't wait to hear him get booed when he shows up at Mile High every year, for the next two years of course, before he gets injured again. Good luck Javon "Street Clothes" Walker!

[MileHighMagic]

LOL. We think alike.

[rovolution]

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[rovolution]

Plus Willie Brown, and now Javon.

Lets crush the Faide and their overpaid players.

[Made of scars]

So does this mean that in 2 more years he'll be a Charger?

[boltaneer]

Wow. Al has completely lost his marbles.

I guess we'll see Kiffin get the boot very shortly and let the insanity really come full circle.

[Natedogg]

He read the market very well. The decision not to renegotiate was a very rational one.

...if you play football to get rich and not to win.

[DenverBrit]

These signings won't count, once the managed care facility realizes AL skipped his meds and left the building.
He'll back in the land of rubber sheets before he can offer Madden the HC job.

[Los Broncos]

wow i hate javon

I feel the same way now.

I mean, what the hell just happened.

[rovolution]

I feel the same way now.

I mean, what the hell just happened.

Lynchmob is that you? Why the name change?

[flair]

I was sick of him by this year but understood he was hurt....But going to the Raiders screw him...we did the right thing

[24champ]

Well this means ESPN has penciled in Raiders @ Broncos for one of their Monday night games.

Hope so. I will find a Walker Broncos jersey and freaking burn it at the tailgates.

[Los Broncos]

Lynchmob is that you? Why the name change?

Yes, just wanted to give it a change for a bit.

Ill go back to the other soon, kinda of sick of it already.

[Atwater His Ass]

Wow. I'm absolutely shocked by the money Al threw out here. Just, wow.

[Orange_Beard]

This really makes him a "number 2"

[CBF1]

I am happy with him going there... I can hate him without the support from any of you :)

Efff you Javon

[TheReverend]

This mother****er...

Unreal...

I had held out hope he could find his way back into a Bronco uniform and get back to playing at a high level... this is sickening.

It's poetic justice one way or the other, and it damn well better be on our side.

Randy Moss was a non-issue with the Raiders, wtf does Javon think he can do?

That slimy little ****** with his attention getting championship belt with D-Will and Nash on it...

If Lynch is gonna absolutely crush one more human being before calling it a career... let it be this mother****er... right in the ****ing knee.

[Hogan11]

I'm trying to figure out exactly why I should care about any of this one iota

[BroncoBuff]

For the FIFTH time in the last 3 weeks:


There should be some kind of force mejeure rule in the NFL that when an owner crosses the bright line between reality and senility, that the club's larger decisions must be run past some independent board of regulators. How many coaches have they had in the last few years? The sad part is that things will only get worse.

Trying to push Lane Kiffen out, after berating and firing Art Shell ... changes head coaches more often than any two teams combined ... the psychotic contract for Tommie Kelly ... shopping the #7 overall pick from just two years ago ... employing embarrasingly underqualified people who publicly use bizarre misunderstandings of NFL contract terms to haggle with the league's #1 overall pick ... somebody has to take this franchise into a quasi-receivership.

I am NOT JOKING. The Tommie Kelly, Gibril Wilson, Javon Walker and now Kwame Harris contracts - all bloated beyond any and all market sense and reason - plus the Jamarcus Russell, Michael Huff and this year's #5 pick at high slotted rookie salaries - will combine to doom the Raiders to years of cap hell. Al and his underqualified minions are literally out.of.control.

It's bad for the league ... and it's bad for the game.

[broncofan2438]

wow, what an idiot. If i go to the game next year, ill be giving him an earfull

[BroncoBuff]

I'm trying to figure out exactly why I should care about any of this one iota
Because it's bad for the game you love.

[Dudeskey]

Well, if you have a Javon Walker Jersey I suggest you burn it.

[RhymesayersDU]

Here's what I don't get. Javon didn't want more money. He just wanted his current contract to be paid.

Hence, what I don't understand is why they didn't try to trade for him.

Let me get this out of the way: I know none of the AFC West rivals will ever make trades with each other. I get that.

But look at it from both sides. The Raiders would get a player they want, at a considerably cheaper price. And the Broncos would at least get something (who knows what) for a player they were going to cut anyways.

Like I said, I know we'll never make a trade with the Raiders, Chiefs, or Chargers... But still, sometimes it just doesn't make sense.

[rovolution]

For the FIFTH time in the last 3 weeks:



Trying to push Lane Kiffen out, after berating and firing Art Shell ... changes head coaches more often than any two teams combined ... the psychotic contract for Tommie Kelly ... shopping the #7 overall pick from just two years ago ... employing embarrasingly underqualified people who publicly use bizarre misunderstandings of NFL contract terms to haggle with the league's #1 overall pick ... somebody has to take this franchise into a quasi-receivership.

I am NOT JOKING. The Tommie Kelly, Gibril Wilson, Javon Walker and now Kwame Harris contracts - all bloated beyond any and all market sense and reason - plus the Jamarcus Russell, Michael Huff and this year's #5 pick at high slotted rookie salaries - will combine to doom the Raiders to years of cap hell. Al and his underqualified minions are literally out.of.control.

It's bad for the league ... and it's bad for the game.


I really think one of Al's doctors has given some sort of estimation on how much longer he will live, and it aint much longer.

He wants to get back to the Bowl and win it, but this sure aint the way to do it.

Thanks for helping us out Al!!!!!

[broncofan2438]

wow, a six year deal. What a piece of ****, **** you javon

[BroncoBuff]

There should be some kind of force mejeure rule in the NFL that when an owner crosses the bright line between reality and senility, that the club's larger decisions must be run past some independent board of regulators. How many coaches have they had in the last few years? The sad part is that things will only get worse.
Even now, at the humiliating low point of this Javon signing, things still can get worse.


Rotoworld joins in my psychological evaluation of Al Davis:
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[Hogan11]

Because it's bad for the game you love.

Well....it may be wrong in your theory, but if it dooms the Raiders like you say, I just can't help but to smile at it.

Sorry Buff, but I just don't care......F Davis, F Walker and F the Raiders. I hope they're cellar dwellers for years. I'll eat pancakes on the franchise's grave.

[Rohirrim]

Even now, at the humiliating low point of this Javon signing, things still can get worse.


Rotoworld joins in my psychological evaluation of Al Davis:
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Hilarious!

Maybe it's time to move back to L.A., Al?

[Dudeskey]

:
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On second thought, what would Nelson do?

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[Orange_Beard]

I really think one of Al's doctors has given some sort of estimation on how much longer he will live, and it aint much longer.

He wants to get back to the Bowl and win it, but this sure aint the way to do it.

Thanks for helping us out Al!!!!!

I would bet that Al will out live Javon's football career.
Is this just an agreement ? Javon passed a physical yet?
I have a feeling this will unravel quickly once a Doc lays hands on that knee.

[rovolution]

Even now, at the humiliating low point of this Javon signing, things still can get worse.


Rotoworld joins in my psychological evaluation of Al Davis:
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Question:

How do you post rotoworld updates as an image?

[broncofan2438]

I can't believe I bought your jersey, you piece of crap!

[BroncoBuff]

On the bright side, the latest psychotically senile contract the Raiders signed - with Kwame Harris - means Ryan Clady is one spot closer to remaining a Bronco in orange and blue.

[rovolution]

On the bright side, the latest psychotically senile contract the Raiders signed - with Kwame Harris - means Ryan Clady is one spot closer to remaining a Bronco in orange and blue.

if the Rams take Jake Long, Clady wont make it past KC at #5

[FireFly]

Wow. Javon just became my most disliked player of all current players.


I honestly prefered it when the Bronocos Raiders rivalry was something to get pumped about; before they became a laughing stock. This contract is going to set that organization back years. I almost feel bad for Raider fans.

[Rohirrim]

if the Rams take Jake Long, Clady wont make it past KC at #5

He could. We're talking Carl Peterson here. ;D

[Paladin]

Never, ever feel bad for the Faiders or the mullets. Those two franchises can just rot in mediocrity forever as far as I am concerned.

[BroncoBuff]

if the Rams take Jake Long, Clady wont make it past KC at #5
The wild card in all this is Ryan Harris. I haven't seen him play, none of us has really ... but the word was he was a huge Matt Lepsis fan in college, and he has Lepsis like capabilities. MAybe we're underrating his potential by drooling over Clady. We didn't draft him to be a career backup, so Shanny might have Harris plugged in at LT already ... ???

[wolf754life]

good for javon, he got what he wanted, and he didn't want to be a bronco, so see ya!

[BroncoBuff]

Never, ever feel bad for the Faiders or the mullets. Those two franchises can just rot in mediocrity forever as far as I am concerned.
I don't really, but this is bad for the league.

And in a strange way, I kinda feel sorry for Raiders fans. This is insanity - they will get very little production out of Javon, Kwame, Gibril and Kelly (Kwame Harris is even dumber than Kelly and Walker, if that's even possible). And these contracts will bury them in cap hell. Raiders fans are 99% d!ckheads, but this just isn't fair - even for a d!ckhead.

EVERY fan deserves better. I'm telling you guys, the league will have to step in on this franchise, perhaps as early as next year. Another 3 or 4 win season will put them in a spot where they might not be able to fit a #1 or #2 draft slotted salary under their cap.

[BroncoBuff]

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READ THESE BLURBS CLOSELY!

It was all a snow-job by Javon's agent!!!! None of the Redskins, 49ers, Panthers, Giants or Eagles (and I suspect Cowboys) were ever interested in Javon ... but that didn't stop Senile Al and his staff of overmatched, sycophantic nincompoops from giving him Randy Moss money.

Imagine that! Javon Walker just signed for the same annual salary as the guy who: this season set an all-time record season TD catches, is the best WR in the game, and is a surefire Hall-of-Famer. :nono:

Somebody's gotta step in and save this franchise.

[~Crash~]

Because it's bad for the game you love.

you act like the raiders did not beat the Broncos and damn near beat us but thanks to walker we won .... if the raiders pick up DMC I would say they just might beat us twice this year .

[The MVPlaya]

Someone list the top 5 WR's by their performance, then list the top 5 WR's by their salary...

[BroncoBuff]

They just signed KWAME HARRIS for heaven's sake - "Mr. False Start" himself - to a deal that pays 5.66 million a year!!

Al's sycophantic staff has little to no experience and no contacts in the league. They are flying blind ... like franchises did on the 1960s, they're drafting and signing out of "Street and Smiths."

[Popps]

Well, at least the story has a happy ending.

$55M?!!?!?!?!?

Oh man.


LOL

[DomCasual]

That's a shocking contract. Seriously, what is going on up there? I don't remember an offseason where a team has doled out more money for mediocre players than the Raiders have this year.

And the great thing is these players are all signing having a solid confidence that they're going to be playing for one of four head coaches in 2008 (Kiffen, Ryan, Lofton, or whomever the voices in Al Davis' head tells him he should pull off the scrap heap come, say, June).

Even though we suck, we're all but guaranteed 4 wins a year for awhile (the Chefs and Raiders).

[Natedog24]

This just means its going to suck all the more trying to sign Marshall to a long term deal in the future. Imagine the kind of money he is going to want or any decent WR is going to want if a washed up Walker can pry that kind of money out of the idiots in Oakland.

[Ambiguous]

He's gonna b**** that he wants out of Oakland within 18 months. Mark it down.

Championship!

[Denver Crush]

death to all traitors

[Pseudofool]

Of course the guaranteed money is the only thing that matters. But I'm surprised he earned this much money, but I'm also equally surprised he'd go to a team like Oak whcih is so far from being competitive just to be a #1 and make money. Odds are he doesn't last six years, or at least takes a year off to do the crazy-detach-leg-to-operate-on-knee surgery. Oak is desperate and it is amusing to see. As for Javon, like SoCal said he was smart not to restructure as long as he doesn't mind losing for the next several years.

[Killericon]

Hilarious.

[16slayer24]

most of you all loved javon signing 2 years ago he was an injured whiner then why did ya expect different????
bark all ya like you all just remember how ya loved him 2 years ago

[Atlas]

WOW that's ahuge contract. Props to Javon.

[yerner]

Sometimes this board really bums me out..

[Drek]

most of you all loved javon signing 2 years ago he was an injured whiner then why did ya expect different????
bark all ya like you all just remember how ya loved him 2 years ago

I think it probably has something to do with having only pushed to leave one town, therefore not a pattern of being a malcontent, and oh, the whole knee still being an issue thing.

If his knee wasn't falling apart on him I'd be willing to bet the Broncos paid him his money and dealt with his bitching. But it is and he's probably never going to be close to the same player he used to be.

[dbfan21]

Personally, I think that's great.

Me too. It seems like a perfect fit. Oakland has a history of signning guys who are known to be renegade meatheads who covet glamor over winning.

I envision Lynch crushing Wlaker over the middle next year. I can't wait!!

[vancejohnson82]

absolutely great news.....my grandmother would be more likely to play an injury-free entire NFL season than that piece of trash WR

this guy has no character and would complain if a quarterback passed a kidney stone and didn't look in his direction first

[spdirty]

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[WolfpackGuy]

And the 2008 saga of the Faiders literally throwing money out the window continues. LOL

[That One Guy]

A Raider Fan friend found this on a Raider board... it seems a little too easy to manipulate if this is all true. I looked up on the NFLPA site and it said contracts don't accelerate in an early termination of the CBA... Can this really be the case?

Oakland Raider
It appears Davis is betting on the CBA expiring. Everyone we sign is getting 6 years or better. I think in a cap less season 8mil per year will be a bargain for a solid player.
I figure in a cap less season Dallas, Washington the richest teams will start to give out contracts that make these look like chump change. Davis has always been a visionary and i think by Back loading these contracts with good players is GENIUS...Wait and see

We are still one of the top 5 most popular teams as seen by all the attention and Fan support even through the last 5 years. If we could collect our merchandise revenue and soon pay per view cable money on the way we will be one of the richest teams.....
All we need is a NEW STADIUM.
Davis will lead the NFL as he as always done he is the last of a dying breed of innovative CEO's. LONG LIVE JERRY JONES AND AL DAVIS, Rip Carl Peterson

[Scottish_Bronco]

Never wearing my Walker jersey again!

[spdirty]

Never wearing my Walker jersey again!

buuuurn it.

[RhymesayersDU]

A Raider Fan friend found this on a Raider board... it seems a little too easy to manipulate if this is all true. I looked up on the NFLPA site and it said contracts don't accelerate in an early termination of the CBA... Can this really be the case?

Oakland Raider
It appears Davis is betting on the CBA expiring. Everyone we sign is getting 6 years or better. I think in a cap less season 8mil per year will be a bargain for a solid player.
I figure in a cap less season Dallas, Washington the richest teams will start to give out contracts that make these look like chump change. Davis has always been a visionary and i think by Back loading these contracts with good players is GENIUS...Wait and see

We are still one of the top 5 most popular teams as seen by all the attention and Fan support even through the last 5 years. If we could collect our merchandise revenue and soon pay per view cable money on the way we will be one of the richest teams.....
All we need is a NEW STADIUM.
Davis will lead the NFL as he as always done he is the last of a dying breed of innovative CEO's. LONG LIVE JERRY JONES AND AL DAVIS, Rip Carl Peterson

That's actually really interesting. If the CBA does go away, that's actually genius.

[55CrushEm]

A Raider Fan friend found this on a Raider board... it seems a little too easy to manipulate if this is all true. I looked up on the NFLPA site and it said contracts don't accelerate in an early termination of the CBA... Can this really be the case?

Oakland Raider
It appears Davis is betting on the CBA expiring. Everyone we sign is getting 6 years or better. I think in a cap less season 8mil per year will be a bargain for a solid player.
I figure in a cap less season Dallas, Washington the richest teams will start to give out contracts that make these look like chump change. Davis has always been a visionary and i think by Back loading these contracts with good players is GENIUS...Wait and see

We are still one of the top 5 most popular teams as seen by all the attention and Fan support even through the last 5 years. If we could collect our merchandise revenue and soon pay per view cable money on the way we will be one of the richest teams.....
All we need is a NEW STADIUM.
Davis will lead the NFL as he as always done he is the last of a dying breed of innovative CEO's. LONG LIVE JERRY JONES AND AL DAVIS, Rip Carl Peterson

Yes, if the CBA goes away...then Oakland obviously won't be in cap hell.

But we're still talking about TOP DOLLAR FOR AVERAGE PLAYERS here......Javon might need microfracture surgery for crissake!!

[Atlas]

A Raider Fan friend found this on a Raider board... it seems a little too easy to manipulate if this is all true. I looked up on the NFLPA site and it said contracts don't accelerate in an early termination of the CBA... Can this really be the case?

Oakland Raider
It appears Davis is betting on the CBA expiring. Everyone we sign is getting 6 years or better. I think in a cap less season 8mil per year will be a bargain for a solid player.
I figure in a cap less season Dallas, Washington the richest teams will start to give out contracts that make these look like chump change. Davis has always been a visionary and i think by Back loading these contracts with good players is GENIUS...Wait and see



that's good talk, but walker's contract isn't backloaded. he is due $27 million the first three years.

[Paladin]

Hold it! The big contract is, indeed, laughable, but I think Greasy Al is counting on the CBA being dumped this November. Thus, no cap h3ll. Cash flow h3ll, yeah, but cap h3ll, maybe not.

What is interesting is the "guaranteed" money. If that outfit skids out, who pays? The franchise is worth a deal of money, so I would imagine the Al may also be planning to sell out before his demise, or it could go slightly thereafter. Maybe the franchise would be moved to Nome, Alaska........


(I had not read the previous couple of posts. The repeated idea of the CBA demise is an independent development.)

[Atwater His Ass]

That's nothing more than raider fans doing a spin job. Al is paying top dollar for average players and I don't care what your plan is, that's a bad idea and too big of a risk to take.

[That One Guy]

that's good talk, but walker's contract isn't backloaded. he is due $27 million the first three years.

Not necessarily, depends on how much signing bonus and other money is given in the first three years that's ultimately prorated in the guarranteed money.

[Paladin]

That's nothing more than raider fans doing a spin job. Al is paying top dollar for average players and I don't care what your plan is, that's a bad idea and too big of a risk to take.

I didn't say it was a good idea. In fact, I think it represents an even greater disaster in the making for that outfit. OTOH, I do not give a rat's arse about that outfit except as to it's demise.....

[oubronco]

Bly better watch out javon with his too-too are coming

[Atlas]

What's funny is that Porter gets $5million a year and Walker gets the same amount per year as what Moss signed for. That sounds like over paying too me. $16 million signing bonus is nice too. Hell, I can't be mad at Walker for this. He would have been nuts to turn down money like that.

[Beantown Bronco]

There will not be a cap-less year. You can bank on it. Every time it becomes a possibility, the owners and the players come together and work it out....one way or another.

[Atwater His Ass]

I don't care about the faid either, but I do care about the NFL. And the way Al Davis is handling this off-season with these outrageous free agency signings is bad for the NFL as a whole, not just Oakland.

I'm with Buff here, someone from the league really needs to get some oversight over there and see what the hell is going on.

[Electric Chair]

I don't care about the faid either, but I do care about the NFL. And the way Al Davis is handling this off-season with these outrageous free agency signings is bad for the NFL as a whole, not just Oakland.

I'm with Buff here, someone from the league really needs to get some oversight over there and see what the hell is going on.

After all of Al's lawsuits, the NFL is laughing their arse off just like the rest of the league. Long live Al Davis!!!!

[That One Guy]

Wasn't the last time the CBA was negotiated the first time it was done since the CBA came in in '93? They only really came to terms last time because owners went ahead and conceded the 60% to players and that's the reason the owners are opting out now, they crumbled to force through the CBA but now they're realizing what a mistake that was. The players weren't postured for a crumble at all last time around, they're willing to go without a CBA because it'll do away with the salary cap... at least according to Upshaw. He even says that if it goes away, it'll never come back. Now if the owners are going to take a hard stand and the players really have no reason to give in (in the shortterm sense) then there very well could be an uncapped year.

[BroncoBuff]

REALITY CHECK:

The CBA is already on life support ... has maybe 8 months to live.

Davis's psychosis only makes it a lead-pipe cinch the owners will opt out of the CBA in November ... causing intense drama and upheaval right in the middle of the season. They have to opt out, it's their only play. Baseball owners learned in the Andre Dawson drama in the early 80s that the strategy of 'conscious parallelism' - unspoken agreements to limit free agent spending - are against the law. So when the the cap goes up, at least some teams MUST USE THAT CAP, or the owners will likely lose the legal battle like the baseball owners did.

And if ONE team uses the cap, the competitive drive among other teams drives their cap up, and pretty soon it's anarchy.



RALPH WILSON = PROPHET. He was the only owner who saw this coming and voted no. In Denver a couple years ago....

[Peoples Champ]

Personally it doesnt bother me, his injury pleagued him and if he dont want to be a part of the team, see ya, we dont need that, and if he dont like denver, oakland is a much safer and nicer town, not

[goldengopher1976]

Does Al Davis have any children? Perhaps he's just decided to spend his fortune before he formally dies...?

[Bladerunner]

Here's what I don't get. Javon didn't want more money. He just wanted his current contract to be paid.

Hence, what I don't understand is why they didn't try to trade for him.

Let me get this out of the way: I know none of the AFC West rivals will ever make trades with each other. I get that.

But look at it from both sides. The Raiders would get a player they want, at a considerably cheaper price. And the Broncos would at least get something (who knows what) for a player they were going to cut anyways.

Like I said, I know we'll never make a trade with the Raiders, Chiefs, or Chargers... But still, sometimes it just doesn't make sense.


You are right that it doesn't make sense. It makes even less sense given that the Broncos and the Raiders DO trade with each other. Gerard Warren was traded to the Raiders for a conditional pick just last season. It certainly seems strange from both teams' perspectives that a trade wasn't worked out. The only explanation is that Oakland decided it was better to overpay than to feed Denver draft picks.

[goldengopher1976]

You are right that it doesn't make sense. It makes even less sense given that the Broncos and the Raiders DO trade with each other. Gerard Warren was traded to the Raiders for a conditional pick just last season. It certainly seems strange from both teams' perspectives that a trade wasn't worked out. The only explanation is that AL DAVIS decided it was better to overpay than to feed Denver draft picks.

corrected that for you. though, insomuch as oakland=al davis, it was already very much implied.

[Muddled]

great, adds a little to the Raider hatred which was beginning to feel almost like just an old habit, them being crappy for years and so

[crowebomber]

There will not be a cap-less year. You can bank on it. Every time it becomes a possibility, the owners and the players come together and work it out....one way or another.

I tend to agree with you. The chances of it being capless are pretty slim.

That being said, even if it were to happen, why would signing average talent to high salaries this year be smart for Oakland? If it is capless next year, there are still going to be guys who are restricted and unrestricted free agents with talent at or above these guys Al is signing this year, probably at the same salary Al is paying them this year. These guys are out there on the market every year. So, why not just wait if that's all you want to go after?

His move would have only made sense if he went after the absolute best talent available - offering enough money to probowl restricted free agents that their current team couldn't match - and paid them this year to lock them up for the future.

[400HZ]

Wow. After thinking long and hard about this, I would be willing to donate a kidney to keep Al alive for a couple more years. Seeing the Raiders suck every year is worth it.

I really don't buy that crap that he's banking on an uncapped year. Players don't want to go to Oakland unless it's for retarded contracts, so he's doing what he has to to attract some halfassed talent.

[Maximus]

That's actually really interesting. If the CBA does go away, that's actually genius.

Humm the idea catches on... I already mentioned this in another thread the CBA is going to expire all of our deals will be 3 years or better with little cap ramifications ( The Tommy Kelly Thread ). The Walker contract looks huge but in reality it's 3 years @ 27 million with 16 million guaranteed... the number to look at is the 16 million. He will never get to 27 million because we always restructure. People have been talking about the Raiders hitting cap hell for 5 or 6 years now... It hasn't happened yet.

There will be an uncapped year coming up and all our contracts are designed to take advantage of that if it happens... if not the contracts are already structured to benefit the team...

[Doggcow]

Humm the idea catches on... I already mentioned this in another thread the CBA is going to expire all of our deals will be 3 years or better with little cap ramifications ( The Tommy Kelly Thread ). The Walker contract looks huge but in reality it's 3 years @ 27 million with 16 million guaranteed... the number to look at is the 16 million. He will never get to 27 million because we always restructure. People have been talking about the Raiders hitting cap hell for 5 or 6 years now... It hasn't happened yet.

There will be an uncapped year coming up and all our contracts are designed to take advantage of that if it happens... if not the contracts are already structured to benefit the team...

Riddle me this mr riddle man, How does your team benefit from a 4-12 season?

[broncosteven]

Javon Walker-WR-Broncos Mar. 4 - 8:45 pm et



Adam Schefter of NFL Network reports that Javon Walker is visiting the Raiders and could sign as soon as Wednesday.
Walker would replace Jerry Porter in Oakland, but signing with the Raiders won't do much to rekindle his fantasy value.




We all know how Al lured former Broncos into his grasp.

The Faide would be perfect for Javon considering that winning means nothing to him.

Will Javon will go into the HOF as a Bronco or Butt-pirate?

j/k

[DBroncos4life]

Humm the idea catches on... I already mentioned this in another thread the CBA is going to expire all of our deals will be 3 years or better with little cap ramifications ( The Tommy Kelly Thread ). The Walker contract looks huge but in reality it's 3 years @ 27 million with 16 million guaranteed... the number to look at is the 16 million. He will never get to 27 million because we always restructure. People have been talking about the Raiders hitting cap hell for 5 or 6 years now... It hasn't happened yet.

There will be an uncapped year coming up and all our contracts are designed to take advantage of that if it happens... if not the contracts are already structured to benefit the team...

Cause we all know well Javon likes taking pay cuts... Im not dogging on him because I think he is talented but the way he acts his career stats should look close to Randy, TO, or Chad Johnson and they are not. I can handle flavor clown WRs I really can. I like all three of the players I talked about but they produce year in and year out while Mr Walker has twice.

[Maximus]

Riddle me this mr riddle man, How does your team benefit from a 4-12 season?

We would be 3-13 if we didn't beat the donkeys... how's that for a riddle :welcome:

[Kaylore]

I'd like to echo what BB said. This whole "scheme" needs a reality check. This isn't designed for Al Davis to get big free agents now. He's purposely torpedoing the current CBA. I'm not the best capologist on this board by a long shot, but I do know that simply not having a CBA doesn't mean you're magically able to sign anyone and everyone for an unlimited amount of money.

I remember in our case a few years ago, when the current CBA was created, we were looking at having less money to spend on free agents if it was an uncaped year than if it was. You'll recall that we were trying to sign Warren to a long term deal at that point. He couldn't sign until the new CBA was finalized to give us more breathing room. He ended up signing, but at that time even the Redskins were looking at potentially cutting some of their players had it not gone through. and I remind you all we're the sixth richest franchise with the Redskins being number one.

The Raiders, on the other hand, are one of the poorest franchises in the league. Al Davis has no intention of paying these guys. These moves, as BroncoBuff just pointed out, are a set up to rip the old system down. Some of you may wonder why players would sign a contract that they anticipate is going to blow up. The answer is the agents make a cut every time they make a new a deal. Looking at a lockout, these players' agents are forcing a bunch of new contracts to cash in now while they still can knowing full well that their players probably aren't going to even get paid in '09.

[Atwater His Ass]

Good luck getting Javon to restructure. Were you even paying attention to what happened in Denver with him?

[Los Broncos]

I'll be interested to hear what the Invesco crowd sounds like when he comes out of the tunnel.

[~Crash~]

That's actually really interesting. If the CBA does go away, that's actually genius.


yep it is because if he signed a turd he can cut him with out it showing up ....still you have only so much money to spend , and if there is no cap on the leauge I will not watch any more . I stoped watching Base ball along time ago for a reason .

[broncocalijohn]

Either it was the Faiders who gave up the most money or he wanted vengeance on the Broncos. I loved seeing Ashlie Lelie bottom out but normally dont like ill will on former broncos...... until they go to Chokeland. Cant blame him for taking the deal at pay of what he was worth in 2006. He loves himself and the dough and Al seems not to care to keep it before he is worm food. Perfect match. Here is to another top 5 pick for the Faiders. I am 50/50 on Walker having a good year. He knew he wasnt the #1 guy in Dnever anymore and wasnt going to be paid as such.

[broncocalijohn]

I'll be interested to hear what the Invesco crowd sounds like when he comes out of the tunnel.


We Boo loud anyways. You wont be able to hear the difference when you are already giving it your all to the most hated team in the AFC. When he makes a catch, that is when you will hear it. Best sport to hear the booing on one particular player is hockey. When I listen to the Ducks on radio, I know when Chris Pronger gets the puck just by the boos.

[~Crash~]

I'd like to echo what BB said. This whole "scheme" needs a reality check. This isn't designed for Al Davis to get big free agents now. He's purposely torpedoing the current CBA. I'm not the best capologist on this board by a long shot, but I do know that simply not having a CBA doesn't mean you're magically able to sign anyone and everyone for an unlimited amount of money.

I remember in our case a few years ago, when the current CBA was created, we were looking at having less money to spend on free agents if it was an uncaped year than if it was. You'll recall that we were trying to sign Warren to a long term deal at that point. He couldn't sign until the new CBA was finalized to give us more breathing room. He ended up signing, but at that time even the Redskins were looking at potentially cutting some of their players had it not gone through. and I remind you all we're the sixth richest franchise with the Redskins being number one.

The Raiders, on the other hand, are one of the poorest franchises in the league. Al Davis has no intention of paying these guys. These moves, as BroncoBuff just pointed out, are a set up to rip the old system down. Some of you may wonder why players would sign a contract that they anticipate is going to blow up. The answer is the agents make a cut every time they make a new a deal. Looking at a lockout, these players' agents are forcing a bunch of new contracts to cash in now while they still can knowing full well that their players probably aren't going to even get paid in '09.


Wow that was right about warren . Great take .

[BroncoBuff]

I'd like to echo what BB said. This whole "scheme" needs a reality check. This isn't designed for Al Davis to get big free agents now. He's purposely torpedoing the current CBA. I'm not the best capologist on this board by a long shot, but I do know that simply not having a CBA doesn't mean you're magically able to sign anyone and everyone for an unlimited amount of money.

I remember in our case a few years ago, when the current CBA was created, we were looking at having less money to spend on free agents if it was an uncaped year than if it was. You'll recall that we were trying to sign Warren to a long term deal at that point. He couldn't sign until the new CBA was finalized to give us more breathing room. He ended up signing, but at that time even the Redskins were looking at potentially cutting some of their players had it not gone through. and I remind you all we're the sixth richest franchise with the Redskins being number one.

The Raiders, on the other hand, are one of the poorest franchises in the league. Al Davis has no intention of paying these guys. These moves, as BroncoBuff just pointed out, are a set up to rip the old system down. Some of you may wonder why players would sign a contract that they anticipate is going to blow up. The answer is the agents make a cut every time they make a new a deal. Looking at a lockout, these players' agents are forcing a bunch of new contracts to cash in now while they still can knowing full well that their players probably aren't going to even get paid in '09.
Great post ... pretty pessimistic, but probably pretty accurate, too :(

[Bronx33]

Javon podcast (http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DENVER-CO/KRFX-FM/Javon%20Walker%20on%20going%20to%20oakland%203-05.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=DENVER-CO&NG_FORMAT=classicrock&SITE_ID=978&STATION_ID=KRFX-FM&PCAST_AUTHOR=Colfax&PCAST_CAT=Humor&PCAST_TITLE=KRFX-FM_Podcast)

[Triplelefthook]

great, adds a little to the Raider hatred which was beginning to feel almost like just an old habit, them being crappy for years and so

anyone whose hatred for choakland was starting to fade that was certainly put to bed by the humiliating defeat to them this year. shame on you if your hatred was fading even a little, you obviously didnt watch (or sit through) the blizzard game against Kerry Collins, Doug Jolly, and Jerry Porter. remember how Nov Turners raiders were somethign like 1-15 against the AFC west? well that embarrassment of a win was at our expense, on our field.

[Bronx33]

I see javon doing good for a few games before he says his knee hurts or someone ***** him up and faidernation has to watch him get payed on the bench counting his extra 20 mil hes your problem now faiderville. (book it)

[Bronx33]

http://www.raidersgab.com/2008/03/05/walker-signing-an-answer-to-prayer/

Raiderville already setting themselves up i remember the same comments when moss signed.

[rovolution]

http://www.raiders.com/uploadedImages/Newsroom/Articles/030508walker.jpg

Here he is signing his Faider deal with another traitor, Willie Brown.

What, they couldn't exhume Lyle from his grave to join in the ceremonies?

[BroncoBuff]

http://www.raiders.com/uploadedImages/Newsroom/Articles/030508walker.jpg

Here he is signing his Faider deal with another traitor, Willie Brown.

What, they couldn't exhume Lyle from his grave to join in the ceremonies?
Oh man ... can you imagine they're paying him the same annual salary that NE just gave to the WR who just set the alltime TD record this year?! :nono:

[Bronx33]

Now that he signed that contract (i hate him) you will be made fun up every chance i get javon you raider piece of crap.

[broncosteven]

Javon is the new Kennison.

[montrose]

http://www.raiders.com/uploadedImages/Newsroom/Articles/030508walker.jpg

Here he is signing his Faider deal with another traitor, Willie Brown.

What, they couldn't exhume Lyle from his grave to join in the ceremonies?

Man that picture really puts a bit of realism to it.

[Raider Bill]

Heh.. we could cut ties with the guy after this upcoming season and still be on the hook for less dead money than Denver was.

[Raider Bill]

The terms of the deal call for Walker to receive a six-year, $55 million contract that includes more than $16 million in guarantees and pays him roughly $27 million over the first three years of the deal.



They (Al cript keep Davis) over paid. Have fun in cap hell Faid fan!

Whatever..... 6 million SB and 5 Million Salaries years 1 and 2.


If he doesnt work out and we waive him after this upcoming season the cap hit would be 5 million spread over 2 years.

[DBroncos4life]

Heh.. we could cut ties with the guy after this upcoming season and still be on the hook for less dead money than Denver was.

He he...he earned his payday for us after his first year, not only that he only had one knee operation when we paid him.

[loborugger]

Whatever..... 6 million SB and 5 Million Salaries years 1 and 2.


If he doesnt work out and we waive him after this upcoming season the cap hit would be 5 million spread over 2 years.


You need to add Javon to your dumpster of potential Pro Bowlers, Bill. ROFL!

[Raider Bill]

The point is.. the "guaranteed money" being reported are his signing bonus and his salary the first 2 years.

[yerner]

I think it blows but it does make me worry about our wr corp. We've really got nothing other than Marshall.

[Raider Bill]

He he...he earned his payday for us after his first year, not only that he only had one knee operation when we paid him.


Whatever... Derrick Burgess lead the league in sacks after failing the Seahawks physical.

[silverwing]

http://www.raiders.com/uploadedImages/Newsroom/Articles/030508walker.jpg

Here he is signing his Faider deal with another traitor, Willie Brown.

What, they couldn't exhume Lyle from his grave to join in the ceremonies?

I'm loving the boom-box shirt. :afro:

[DBroncos4life]

Whatever... Derrick Burgess lead the league in sacks after failing the Seahawks physical.

he was coming off a 1000 yard 8td year with us. He earned his check. He played for alot less during that year then he was worth. Now you guys are paying him a lot of money for a guy that had 26 catches and 0 TDs.

Im not saying he isn't a good WR but like I said in another thread he ACTS like he is one of the best WRs in the NFL when really he isn't. I can see Randy, TO, and Chad Johnson acting like that because they do this year in and year out. Javon has been hurt to much and has only put up 2 1000 yard seasons in his 6 year career.

[DarkHorse30]

Could AD(d) be conspiring with Upshaw to break the salary cap?

I'm surprised Upshaw is still head of the players union (although his contract expires in '09), since he does little to fight for his retired vets, and threatens them at times.

[Raider Bill]

I'm not worried about him complaing about not getting enough looks here.

That won't be an issue.

Besides, those knee things take 2 years to completely heal.

[Fusionfrontman]

Why do we keep having these scrubs disgrace the #84. First Wesely Duke, now Walker. Yuck.

I did like Duke though, but man, if we not gonna retire the #'s, we have to like, use a fortune teller to find out if he gonna stay on the team or not. I feel bad for my little brother, he got a Walker jersey a year ago, He cant wear it now.
Every jersey he gets the guy leaves, Portis, then Plummer then Walker. He is bad luck

[Raider Bill]

Could AD(d) be conspiring with Upshaw to break the salary cap?

I'm surprised Upshaw is still head of the players union (although his contract expires in '09), since he does little to fight for his retired vets, and threatens them at times.



We're not breaking anything... if we parted ways with walker after this season the cap hit would be 2.5 million in 09 and 2.5 million in 2010


Kwame Harris got essentially a 1 year 3 million dollar deal.


I haven't seen Kelly's contract breakdown, but I would guess it's not as ugly as all the headlines are making it out to be.

[rovolution]

Javon podcast (http://a1135.g.akamai.net/f/1135/18227/1h/cchannel.download.akamai.com/18227/podcast/DENVER-CO/KRFX-FM/Javon%20Walker%20on%20going%20to%20oakland%203-05.mp3?CPROG=PCAST&MARKET=DENVER-CO&NG_FORMAT=classicrock&SITE_ID=978&STATION_ID=KRFX-FM&PCAST_AUTHOR=Colfax&PCAST_CAT=Humor&PCAST_TITLE=KRFX-FM_Podcast)

This guy has a whole bag of excuses.

A trip to Jerusalem, teams calling him left and right...

This radio hosts just suck on Ja-Traitors wang.

Hes still going to live in Denver? I highly doubt that. People will harass him everywhere he goes.

The living in Denver thing seems to me as a message to Darrent's killers that he has no fear, but they dont care. He wont be see in Denver unless is Faider Week.


I love getting blue collar players like Niko and Boss. Enough of drama queens like him.

[Sassy]

I'm not worried about him complaing about not getting enough looks here.

That won't be an issue.

Besides, those knee things take 2 years to completely heal.

Yeah...and Javon shouldn't be worried about getting a SB ring ever either ;D

Or he could be like TD...and have to retire after microfracture...

[rovolution]

I'm not worried about him complaing about not getting enough looks here.

That won't be an issue.

Besides, those knee things take 2 years to completely heal.

Really, i dont think he lasts 2 years.

[Atwater His Ass]

I'm not worried about him complaing about not getting enough looks here.

That won't be an issue.

Besides, those knee things take 2 years to completely heal.

Just like Randy Moss amirite? :spit:

[wabbit]

Hate to say it, but his knee isn't going to be an issue...assuming he doesn't re-injure it of course.

That entire micro-fracture thing was a...well, I'm not not really sure what the hell Mike was trying to do.

Maybe, in a confused, silly way, maybe the thinking was that Walker would rush to re-structure to 'prove himself'.

Maybe it was just a reaction to Walkers' comments following the season.

Maybe it was just childish retaliation, and I really hope that isn't the case.

One thing it isn't...is reality.

Oaklands' offense is so inexperienced it's difficult to predict how effective a healthy Walker will be out there, but, one thing is pretty certain; he will be a pain in our ass twice a year for who knows how long.

[yerner]

yep, its always one step forward one back. if he does turn out to be healthy than we pretty much lost our best wr and now have a bunch of question marks.

[labronx]

Hate to say it, but his knee isn't going to be an issue...assuming he doesn't re-injure it of course.

That entire micro-fracture thing was a...well, I'm not not really sure what the hell Mike was trying to do.

Maybe, in a confused, silly way, maybe the thinking was that Walker would rush to re-structure to 'prove himself'.

Maybe it was just a reaction to Walkers' comments following the season.

Maybe it was just childish retaliation, and I really hope that isn't the case.

One thing it isn't...is reality.

Oaklands' offense is so inexperienced it's difficult to predict how effective a healthy Walker will be out there, but, one thing is pretty certain; he will be a pain in our ass twice a year for who knows how long.

Wow...
This just ruined a pretty good day for me. If this is true, it's another nail in the coffin.

I can't stand that fact that MS can't handle someone standing up to him. It's either his way or the highway.

What kind of orginazational leader is that?

[Jens1893]

Hate to say it, but his knee isn't going to be an issue...assuming he doesn't re-injure it of course.

That entire micro-fracture thing was a...well, I'm not not really sure what the hell Mike was trying to do.

Maybe, in a confused, silly way, maybe the thinking was that Walker would rush to re-structure to 'prove himself'.

Maybe it was just a reaction to Walkers' comments following the season.

Maybe it was just childish retaliation, and I really hope that isn't the case.

One thing it isn't...is reality.

Oaklands' offense is so inexperienced it's difficult to predict how effective a healthy Walker will be out there, but, one thing is pretty certain; he will be a pain in our ass twice a year for who knows how long.

That doesn´t surprise me at all.

[24champ]

Hate to say it, but his knee isn't going to be an issue...assuming he doesn't re-injure it of course.

That entire micro-fracture thing was a...well, I'm not not really sure what the hell Mike was trying to do.

Maybe, in a confused, silly way, maybe the thinking was that Walker would rush to re-structure to 'prove himself'.

Maybe it was just a reaction to Walkers' comments following the season.

Maybe it was just childish retaliation, and I really hope that isn't the case.

One thing it isn't...is reality.

Oaklands' offense is so inexperienced it's difficult to predict how effective a healthy Walker will be out there, but, one thing is pretty certain; he will be a pain in our ass twice a year for who knows how long.

Chances are though Wabbit is that he will re-injure his knee. Another thing too is how do you know he will be the same playmaker he was before the Knee injuries?

[Raider Bill]

Just like Randy Moss amirite? :spit:

You're going to compare Walker, by all accounts a gym rat, to Moss, a guy who's never set foot in a gym?


The way I see it

1. He wanted to be "the man".... no problem, look at our WR corps.. you're it big guy,

2. The Rat tried to stiff him out of money he was owed... no problem, play well and you'll collect 16 mill for 2 seasons work.

3. He'll no longer have to rock that whack orange uniform.

[RhymesayersDU]

You are right that it doesn't make sense. It makes even less sense given that the Broncos and the Raiders DO trade with each other. Gerard Warren was traded to the Raiders for a conditional pick just last season. It certainly seems strange from both teams' perspectives that a trade wasn't worked out. The only explanation is that Oakland decided it was better to overpay than to feed Denver draft picks.

Oh man, how could I forget the G-Money trade? Jeez, my memory needs work.

[KipCorrington25]

Walker will be great next year but slowly the dog in him will come out. He'll get hurt, he'll start to complain, he'll be a malcontent and not a team guy.

He's talked his way out of his only other 2 teams and now he's with the worst train wreck in the league so you know it's only a matter of time before he goes back to his team cancer ways. Once a dog always a dog, they can hide it for a while but it always comes back.

[cambrad8085]

Have fun in Hell, Javon.

[broncsyanks]

anyone hear this other then me? should be interesting to see.

[Northman]

Wow

[dbfan4life]

Wow

Wow, indeed.

[Beantown Bronco]

anyone hear this other then me? should be interesting to see.

flu, coma or prison?

[BMF Bronco]

Hey, I heard Elway retired, any news on this?

[theAPAOps5]

WOW x 3

[theAPAOps5]

So I just caught the news. OJ was found innocent! Anybody else hear this?

[BMF Bronco]

"we landed on the moooooon!"

[CHANGSTER]

Hilarious!

[OABB]

My fiance just told me that she voted for Hillary Clinton in the california primary.

did you guys know that women can vote now!?

[bronco militia]

bwhaha

[oubronco]

britney just showed her woohoo

[bfoflcommish]

Yankee fans!! geez





GO METS!

[Northman]

The Earth is round, thats absolutely amazing to me. Anyone hear?

[oubronco]

just heard on the radio ESPN SUCKS !!!!!!!!

[Popcorn Sutton]

:griese: :griese: :griese: :puff: :puff: :puff:

[oubronco]

:griese: :griese: :griese: :puff: :puff: :puff:

puffen the jeeba

[Punisher]

Javon playing in the black hole LOL

[i4jelway7]

anyone else see this interview w/ Javon after he signed w/ the Faid

http://cbs4denver.com/video/?id=39835@kcnc.dayport.com

[That One Guy]

No, I hadn't. I clicked the link and I still haven't. ???

[BroncoBuff]

Click the link, and type "javon" into the search bar ... it's a phone interview, but very interesting. He claims adamantly that his knee is okay. Kept calling Vic Lombari "Mr. Lombardi."

Also said he and Brandon are good friends - same agency - he changed routes vs. Minn so B-March could get 100 catches - he came out vs. Cleveland in '06 so B-Marsh could get his first NFL touchdown - and he teamed beautifully with Donald Driver in Green Bay. Said he has "no idea" why Mike Shanahan said he needed microracture surgery.

That seems strange ... he would've recieved lots of attention (real attention - not the phony kind like his agent drummed up to scam the Raiders) if his knee was actually okay. Yes, Shanahan was sliming him. But teams have their own doctors and they can check guys out.

"Why should I take a pay cut? It was my fist season in the Denver conract." This is correct actually ... 2006 was a low-pay "trial" season to protect the team, and they couldda cut him with no consequences. I gotta admit ... if it truly was just an injury, then why should he take a pay cut?

[Punisher]

Click the link, and type "javon" into the search bar ... it's a phone interview, but very interesting. He claims adamantly that his knee is okay. Kept calling Vic Lombari "Mr. Lombardi."

Also said he and Brandon are good friends - same agency - he changed routes vs. Minn so B-March could get 100 catches - he came out vs. Cleveland in '06 so B-Marsh could get his first NFL touchdown - and he teamed beautifully with Donald Driver in Green Bay. Said he has "no idea" why Mike Shanahan said he needed microracture surgery.

That seems strange ... he would've recieved lots of attention (real attention - not the phony kind like his agent drummed up to scam the Raiders) if his knee was actually okay. Yes, Shanahan was sliming him. But teams have their own doctors and they can check guys out.

"Why should I take a pay cut? It was my fist season in the Denver conract." This is correct actually ... 2006 was a low-pay "trial" season to protect the team, and they couldda cut him with no consequences. I gotta admit ... if it truly was just an injury, then why should he take a pay cut?

Nice find buff :thumbsup:

[SureShot]

I wish we would have just paid the man.

[broncs2bowl]

U wish we woulda paid da man?!?!?!?!?? 55 million! u want to pay that much for him. Well if u wanted to BMarsh would be gone next year.

[SureShot]

U wish we woulda paid da man?!?!?!?!?? 55 million! u want to pay that much for him. Well if u wanted to BMarsh would be gone next year.

Huh? You think if Walker would have played out his contract with Denver, the Broncos wouldn't resign BMarsh? Please explain.

[Blueflame]

Click the link, and type "javon" into the search bar ... it's a phone interview, but very interesting. He claims adamantly that his knee is okay. Kept calling Vic Lombari "Mr. Lombardi."

Also said he and Brandon are good friends - same agency - he changed routes vs. Minn so B-March could get 100 catches - he came out vs. Cleveland in '06 so B-Marsh could get his first NFL touchdown - and he teamed beautifully with Donald Driver in Green Bay. Said he has "no idea" why Mike Shanahan said he needed microracture surgery.

That seems strange ... he would've recieved lots of attention (real attention - not the phony kind like his agent drummed up to scam the Raiders) if his knee was actually okay. Yes, Shanahan was sliming him. But teams have their own doctors and they can check guys out.

"Why should I take a pay cut? It was my fist season in the Denver conract." This is correct actually ... 2006 was a low-pay "trial" season to protect the team, and they couldda cut him with no consequences. I gotta admit ... if it truly was just an injury, then why should he take a pay cut?

The reason the team wanted him to take a pay cut was because Brandon Marshall's performance level had elevated to the point that Javon's health (or lack thereof) was a non-issue. Even if he was totally healthy, he flat-out was not going to be able to beat Brandon for the #1 WR slot. Show me a team that's willing to pay a #2 like a #1... and also... if the team had agreed to overpay for Javon, how would they have any chance of retaining the young guys like Brandon when the time comes to re-sign them long-term? Would keeping Javon be worth it if his cap number meant we can't retain Brandon? I don't think so....

[SureShot]

Indy has two highly paid recievers and the highest paid QB I believe. They seem to get by.

[Blueflame]

Indy has two highly paid recievers and the highest paid QB I believe. They seem to get by.

Are either of those two highly-paid Colts receivers as injury-prone as Javon Walker is? When a player has the health history Javon has, commanding top dollar is an iffy situation. I think the Fade got hosed.

[SureShot]

I thought the argument was if they could afford to have two WRs paid like #1s? I believe he was under contract for 3 more years, at a reduced price to what the market would pay. As far as injury time will tell on that one, but he was definately a game breaker(when healthy) and we lack those at the moment. I think he was worth paying the roster bonus.

[theAPAOps5]

He referes to himself in 3rd person. He is a clown. Good riddance.

[Blueflame]

I thought the argument was if they could afford to have two WRs paid like #1s? I believe he was under contract for 3 more years, at a reduced price to what the market would pay. As far as injury time will tell on that one, but he was definately a game breaker(when healthy) and we lack those at the moment. I think he was worth paying the roster bonus.

How many teams pay their #2 WR $5 million? Isn't that what Javon was gonna cost us? At any rate, I think we need to be frugal with the cap if we're gonna have any chance at all of keeping our young guys who will be coming up for free agency in the near future. Javon (much as I would have liked to keep him) was "damaged goods"... and no longer worth that kind of $$. Again, I think the Fade got hosed... bigtime.

[SureShot]

How many teams pay their #2 WR $5 million? Isn't that what Javon was gonna cost us? At any rate, I think we need to be frugal with the cap if we're gonna have any chance at all of keeping our young guys who will be coming up for free agency in the near future. Javon (much as I would have liked to keep him) was "damaged goods"... and no longer worth that kind of $$. Again, I think the Fade got hosed... bigtime.

Well I hope you are right. Being a Raider makes it easy to hope he doesn't come back to form. I guessDesean Jackson can play the 2.;)

[Blueflame]

When healthy, Javon was a good receiver. But he wasn't...and isn't... irreplaceable.