Marcus Thomas Arrested. (LOL?)

[Requiem]

Oh brother. (http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/03/02/marcus-thomas-arrested-in-clay-county/)

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Another great Shanny pick. WOOHOO!

[SoCalBronco]

Crap.

Fonecoing A.

[elsid13]

****ing moron.

[spdirty]

God f@cking Damnit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RMT]

it's all about the company you keep.

[TheDave]

Marcus Thomas arrested in Clay County (http://news.jacksonville.com/justin/2008/03/02/marcus-thomas-arrested-in-clay-county/)

Posted: Sunday, March 2nd, 2008 at 9:42 pm
The Times-Union
Denver Broncos defensive tackle Marcus Thomas was arrested in Clay County and charged with possession of a controlled substance during a traffic stop early Saturday, according to Thomas’ attorney and a Clay County Sheriff’s Office arrest log.
A full police report was not available at press time Sunday evening.
Thomas, 22, a former University of Florida and Mandarin High standout, was a passenger in the car, according to Charles Truncale, Thomas’ attorney.
“He [Thomas] was in a vehicle in which a small plastic baggie containing what appeared to be a trace amount of cocaine was found. He [Thomas] did not possess it, nor did he have knowledge of it, until the stop of the vehicle. That’s what happened. He is not guilty of the charge from which he has been arrested,” Truncale told the Times-Union.
Truncale said both the driver and Thomas were arrested because police didn’t know which man to charge.
Thomas recently finished his rookie season with the Broncos after being selected in the fourth round last April. He was suspended for most of his final season at Florida in 2006 after he had a positive drug test, then for violating curfew and drug rehabilitation class provisions of a contract he signed to remain with the team.

Thomas played in all 16 games for the Broncos in 2007 and had 20 tackles.

[Punisher]

Your rich just go buy cars in look for ladies.(I hope we just get rid of him for a 6th rounder)

[rugbythug]

If he was the passenger. That is a good thing.

[Dukes]

Perfect

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

And with his history, why should we have expected anything different?

[SouthStndJunkie]

You dumb ****ing dummy.

[Gcver2ver3]

i'm thoroughly annoyed to read this...

at least he was just the passenger though...but we don't need this right now...

Requiem: you may wanna change your sig BTW...

[Florida_Bronco]

Well this is not good, however most cops will tell you that if they find narcotics in a car that unless it is clear who posessed them, they will arrest everyone and let the courts sort it out.

I'd keep a close eye on this, but I'm not going to get upset until more facts come out. It's entirely possible that like the Brandon Marshall and Daniel Graham ordeals, we'll find out it was not that serious and all and nothing more will come from the issue.

[Kaylore]

It looks like they found it in the guys car and he was a passenger. Thomas probably didn't do it, but didn't he say that his friends in Jacksonville were the ones who were not a good influence? Anyway, we'll see what comes of this.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

As predictable as the sun rising in the morning....

[BizzyBone7]

If he was the passenger. That is a good thing.

Exactly. I'm not going to jump off the bridge until we get the whole story. If he really was the passenger, and legitimately did not know it was in the car, what grounds do they have?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Well this is not good, however most cops will tell you that if they find narcotics in a car that unless it is clear who posessed them, they will arrest everyone and let the courts sort it out.

I'd keep a close eye on this, but I'm not going to get upset until more facts come out.

You shouldn't be worried about the feds.

Be worried about the NFL.

[OABB]

first dan graham punches a bed post, brandon marshall stops a cab, travis henry fails a drug test and now this!

bobo is right! another mistake by shanahan!

put these men in prison now!

oh wait, no charges pressed, and travis henry won his appeal?

well hopefully marcus thomas sitting in a car where drugs were found will finaly destroy denver forever!

[Killericon]

It sure is a good thing we traded for another DT...Otherwise, we'd be left with Mallard and McKinley, and boy would THAT EVER SUCK!!

[DB_champ24]

Being at the wrong place during the wrong time...He needs to find better friends..He most likely had nothing to do with this.

[SoCalBronco]

You shouldn't be worried about the feds.

Be worried about the NFL.

Bob is 100 percent right, here.

A conviction is not needed for the league to lower the boom.

And if you guys think Goodell forgot when the organization was upfront about taking on the league about the Henry thing (for which Shanny recieved a small fine), then you're in for a surprise. This is the perfect excuse for them to retaliate against us.

There is serious danger here whether or not Thomas did anything.

[TheReverend]

Meanwhile, Ray Lewis and Leonard Little killed people...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I wonder if this will change Denver's draft strategy.

[PRBronco]

Oh Marcus :( I hope this isn't a "ghetto loyalty" type issue. Just move on dude. Hang out with your new rich friends! What's rod smith doing this weekend?

Also damn it, this will give us more turds and reset the "days without an arrest" on pft. How embarrassing :S

[ohiobronco2]

Meanwhile, Ray Lewis and Leonard Little killed people...

You mean this Ray Lewis?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XZDzOGFXts

[SouthStndJunkie]

He should know better by now.

The offseason is what kills these guys because they have too much free time.

[Dukes]

If this was going to happen, at least it happend before the draft.

This could force Denver to get Robertson or the next best DT out there

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Next year about this time we'll be seeing this headline: "Thomas eager to get back on field, says weight increase isn't a problem."

[Florida_Bronco]

Bob is 100 percent right, here.

A conviction is not needed for the league to lower the boom.

And if you guys think Goodell forgot when the organization was upfront about taking on the league about the Henry thing (for which Shanny recieved a small fine), then you're in for a surprise. This is the perfect excuse for them to retaliate against us.

There is serious danger here whether or not Thomas did anything.

You're also dealing with a player who just had his first run in as a professional, and it's very likely that the charges will be dropped.

I very highly doubt the league will get involved in this. So many players have had things like this happen with no punishment handed down from the league.

[-Slap-]

And when I screamed bloody murder because we traded up for a kid who did enough stupid and selfish things to get kicked off his football team, 90% of the board told me, "it was just a little pot".

Skipping out on court mandated rehab sessions is not just about a little pot. Getting kicked off a team making a National Championship run isn't just about a little pot.

He's a ****up.

[Requiem]

And I did this. . . sent it to PFT, I hope they put it up there with the lie detector test remarks coming too.

http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f150/hartcavalcade/thomascoke.jpg

[Punisher]

Oh Marcus :( I hope this isn't a "ghetto loyalty" type issue. Just move on dude. Hang out with your new rich friends! What's rod smith doing this weekend?

exactly..But its hard to let go of the guys you hanged out with your whole life

[Killericon]

This could be a good thing. Maybe it'll scare Shanny into pulling the trigger on Robertson.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

It was never "just a little pot" as many here would love to believe. Lots of stuff that never made the news down in Gainesville. All those glad the Broncos gave up that third round choice this year for a POS, please raise your hand.

[bpc]

Well I was on the bandwagon from the beginning.

Just more reason why we have to have an absolute lock down policy on anybody with these issues. Don't draft them.

I think we are 0/12 in situations like this.

[Bronco LB 59]

I don't see how Shanahan can backtrack on this one. If the charges stand and he's convicted or pleads no-contest, he has to go. It hurts to say it, but Shanahan has to do it.

The worst part of the whole thing, this ****head just threw a wrench into our offseason plans. Offensive tackle might get thrown to the back burner for a DT. I just hope they don't settle for someone like Kentwan Balmer and try to move up and get Sedrick Ellis.

[Requiem]

It was never "just a little pot" as many here would love to believe. Lots of stuff that never made the news down in Gainesville. All those glad the Broncos gave up that third round choice this year for a POS, please raise your hand.

Character concerns (major) really made me wonder why, but he did have great talent. I guess you can count me in. *sigh* :(

[Orange_Beard]

Another kick in the balls...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

I very highly doubt the league will get involved in this.

LOL...why? Because you're hoping so?

Goodell's policy comes down hard on this stuff.

[OABB]

And when I screamed bloody murder because we traded up for a kid who did enough stupid and selfish things to get kicked off his football team, 90% of the board told me, "it was just a little pot".

Skipping out on court mandated rehab sessions is not just about a little pot. Getting kicked off a team making a National Championship run isn't just about a little pot.

He's a ****up.


listen honey,

try and control your emotions a bit. we don't know anything yet. you should probably wait until all the facts come in before you get your panties in a twist.


and if he is found innocent, your post is my new sig. can i have a picture of you just in case?

[Punisher]

LOL...why? Because you're hoping so?

Goodell's policy comes down hard on this stuff.

Bob has a point....

[TheDave]

Folks we better hope this thing doesn't get any worse... If this team takes a step back at DT we can officially start planning on what we are going to do with a top 3 pick and a new coaching staff in 2009.

[BroncoInferno]

LOL...why? Because you're hoping so?

No, because this is his first incident as a professional, and it isn't even clear he did anything wrong. You can't start count pre-league stuff against people.

[BigPlayShay]

Son of a bitch co****cking mother****er, stupid ****ing asshole.

I hope nothing comes of this.

[BizzyBone7]

listen honey,

try and control your emotions a bit. we don't know anything yet. you should probably wait until all the facts come in before you get your panties in a twist.


and if he is found innocent, your post is my new sig. can i have a picture of you just in case?

Seriously. Everyone needs to calm down. Nothing substantial has even been reported yet.

[-Slap-]

Marcus claims the drugs actually belong to his friend and Marcus wasn't even aware of their existence. Upon further questioning by police, Marcus professed to have never even heard of the drug called cocaine. He even made a point of repeating the word "cocaine" with a puzzled and quizzical look on his face. When the arresting officers were not deterred by this, Marcus pretended to be a victim of sleepwalking and when he "awoke" he feigned total surprise at his surroundings. This progressed into a "total amnesia" routine. After several minutes of pretending not to recognize his own name, Marcus sheepishly submitted to handcuffing.

[Punisher]

Folks we better hope this thing doesn't get any worse... If this team takes a step back at DT we can officially start planning on what we are going to do with a top 3 pick and a new coaching staff in 2009.

Damn all that for one DT....

[MileHighMania]

That's a shame... now, let's stop drafting and signing these a-holes. They're mid-round bargains for a reason. Drop his ass and move on.

[TheDave]

Damn all that for one DT....

Unfortunately he is the only DT we have with any talent.

maybe i'm wrong, but i think Shanny's leash is pretty short these days.

[-Slap-]

listen honey,

try and control your emotions a bit. we don't know anything yet. you should probably wait until all the facts come in before you get your panties in a twist.


and if he is found innocent, your post is my new sig. can i have a picture of you just in case?

You must have logged onto the Orange Mane by mistake, assgrabber. We don't typically exchange photos and personal info here.

[Florida_Bronco]

Bob has a point....

In theory yes, but again this is a player with his first infraction who was simply in a car where there was coke. We don't know if he was on it, if it was his or even if he knew it was there. We could easily see these charges dropped out right.

As things stand now, the league would have a very tough time justifying coming down on Thomas, and the players union would go absolutely berserk. There are alot of players that get arrested but don't have punishment come down from the league and Thomas could easily use that to his advantage. Even if the league tried to punish him, I could easily see it being challeneged and overturned.

And again, this may be a non issue for Thomas and the team. It's not a huge stretch to assume that there could have been coke in the car without him knowing. Hell, I was out with several friends one night and riding with some meth under the seat. I would have never known had they not got busted later in the night.

[MileHighMania]

If he didn't have a history of personal failure with drugs, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt...

[-Slap-]

That's a shame... now, let's stop drafting and signing this a-holes. They're mid-round bargains for a reason. Drop his ass and move on.

T H A N K

Y O U !

[TheDave]

Hell, I was out with several friends one night and riding with some meth under the seat. I would have never known had they not got busted later in the night.

When did you start hangin' out with Ted Haggard?

[ohiobronco2]

Unfortunately he is the only DT we have with any talent.

maybe i'm wrong, but i think Shanny's leash is pretty short these days.

As it should be. Not making the playoffs in back to back years, gambles a lot with guys with character concerns. This really isn't a surprise for me, just like it wasn't a surprise for me that Moss got injured last year with his injury past. Sure, there are no sure things, but when there are obvious concerns, you take extra precautions. Walker had a great year his first year here, but deep down inside we knew what kind of person we were getting and him forcing his way out of our franchise shouldn't be a surprise to people. Just like Thomas hanging out with people who possess narcotics or possessing them himself. We better hit a grandslam in the draft, otherwise we will only be able to thank the Chiefs and Raiders for our 2008 wins.

[DB_champ24]

Can you guys stop whinning until their are some more facts out..Personally the way I see it is he had no idea and just got screwed over and you guys are whinning about it..Relax and stop freaking out until they gets this figured out and if he was messing with that stuff then you can cry and whine about him.

[Sassy]

Yeah Req...it's a "LOL" matter...tsk tsk ::)

[Dr. Broncenstein]

The fact is he knew there could be no off-field shenannigans... especially involving drugs of any kind. He knows it already cost him MILLIONS of dollars by flushing his draft stock to the fourth round. He was lucky enough to have a habitual fool tricked into believing that he learned his lesson. We even threw away draft picks to get him. He had one chance after all of his retarded transgressions to reserect an NFL career.... and predictably Marcus Thomas will throw it away. At least he's keepin' it real.

I don't care who's blow that was. Stay the **** out of that situation. Don't risk it. And godammit Shanny, please learn your lesson. I am so sick of watching your reclamation projects asplode in your face.

[penguintheory]

Everyone's doing it

[Lestat]

oh for the love of God i hope Shanny doesn't cut him behind this
he's the only good - decent DT we have & they already flubbed up in trading Warren last year

[Los Broncos]

Nice, we were about due.

[Punisher]

Everyone's doing it

LMAO you crack Whore :rofl:

[Florida_Bronco]

The fact is he knew there could be no off-field shenannigans... especially involving drugs of any kind. He knows it already cost him MILLIONS of dollars by flushing his draft stock to the fourth round. He was lucky enough to have a habitual fool tricked into believing that he learned his lesson. We even threw away draft picks to get him. He had one chance after all of his retarded transgressions to reserect an NFL career.... and predictably Marcus Thomas will throw it away. At least he's keepin' it real.

I don't care who's blow that was. Stay the **** out of that situation. Don't risk it. And godammit Shanny, please learn your lesson. I am so sick of watching your reclamation projects asplode in your face.

And what if he didn't know it was there? What do you propose then?

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Can you guys stop whinning until their are some more facts out..Personally the way I see it is he had no idea and just got screwed over and you guys are whinning about it..Relax and stop freaking out until they gets this figured out and if he was messing with that stuff then you can cry and whine about him.

Arrested for posession of narcotics. Narcotics. Arrested. Marcus Thomas. You know... the guy who supposedly is on his last chance. Guilty or not.... facts unkonwn... except that he was arrested. For narcotics. Predictably.... because that is exactly what we knew would happen.

[DB_champ24]

Arrested for posession of narcotics. Narcotics. Arrested. Marcus Thomas. You know... the guy who supposedly is on his last chance. Guilty or not.... facts unkonwn... except that he was arrested. For narcotics. Predictably.... because that is exactly what we knew would happen.


Ya and wasn't it stated in the article that the arrest everyone in the car if they find something like that and figure everything out afterwards???????? SO WILL SEE...

[TheReverend]

Marcus claims the drugs actually belong to his friend and Marcus wasn't even aware of their existence. Upon further questioning by police, Marcus professed to have never even heard of the drug called cocaine. He even made a point of repeating the word "cocaine" with a puzzled and quizzical look on his face. When the arresting officers were not deterred by this, Marcus pretended to be a victim of sleepwalking and when he "awoke" he feigned total surprise at his surroundings. This progressed into a "total amnesia" routine. After several minutes of pretending not to recognize his own name, Marcus sheepishly submitted to handcuffing.

If that's not funny, what is?

[Dr. Broncenstein]

And what if he didn't know it was there? What do you propose then?

I propose that he not hang out with guys that use or sell blow... especially since any sort of incident in his case could cost him his career.

[MileHighMania]

And what if he didn't know it was there? What do you propose then?

Well, then he would need the word 'dumbass' printed on his forehead. There are lots of guys that never find themselves in trouble... lots of them, but it's the same a-holes that get busted and/or get busted with "friends" that are guilty.

I'd love for him to be innocent, but where there is smoke there is typically fire. We can all cross our fingers and hope there's some way out of it (just like Travis' situation), but this **** gets old.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Yeah, it was stupid, but not reason enough to cut him and cast him aside as a criminal.

So please, Broncos, don't cut him. And the NFL probably cant do too much (i wouldnt think). He's not a repeat offender in their system, so its not like he'll get suspended...fined perhaps

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Ya and wasn't it stated in the article that the arrest everyone in the car if they find something like that and figure everything out afterwards???????? SO WILL SEE...

Again.... no need to know who was the actual owner of the blow. Marcus needed to be smarter than to put himself in that situation. The front office needs to be smarter than to take repeated chances on guys like him.

[DB_champ24]

Again.... no need to know who was the actual owner of the blow. Marcus needed to be smarter than to put himself in that situation. The front office needs to be smarter than to take repeated chances on guys like him.

Oh Please, if it wasnt his and he had nothing to do with it I dont care and he just needs to be told and forced to stay away from this people from now on.

[Natedogg]

No biggie.

[broncofan2438]

Nice way to add to the f ups

[MileHighMania]

Looking back just after the draft...

http://www.denverpost.com/portal/ci_5781655?_loopback=1

"We've talked before about taking an educated gamble," Shanahan said. "You have to sit down with a player. That player has to understand what the rules and regulations are. And if they do make a mistake, then you have to release that player and let them go."

"When I look back at everything that went down, I realize I was immature," Thomas said Sunday during a conference call with the Denver media.

[MileHighMania]

Oh Please, if it wasnt his and he had nothing to do with it I dont care and he just needs to be told and forced to stay away from this people from now on.

:giggle: They should have made a 24/7 bodyguard a part of his contract.

"Now, Marcus... what have we told you? We understand that it wasn't yours and that you were Mr. Innocent, but please... can you not hang around those bad guys? Pretty please?"

"Ok coach... sure thing."

[Kaylore]

:giggle: They should have made a 24/7 bodyguard a part of his contract.

"Now, Marcus... what have we told you? We understand that it wasn't yours and that you were Mr. Innocent, but please... can you not hang around those bad guys? Pretty please?"

"Ok coach... sure thing."

I know you're joking, but some of these guys need babysitters. And if you need someone to be babysat to not screw up then you need to move on.

[Haroldthebarrel]

probably should wait this one out. he could be guilty. Do they take urine samples at the police in these cases.

On another note. How often have you been stopped by the police. Seems to me like the police there are extremely agressive in pulling people over.

[DB_champ24]

:giggle: They should have made a 24/7 bodyguard a part of his contract.

"Now, Marcus... what have we told you? We understand that it wasn't yours and that you were Mr. Innocent, but please... can you not hang around those bad guys? Pretty please?"

"Ok coach... sure thing."

Haha I know it hard to keep them intact but they probably should have a trainer with them alot of the times to keep them straight..This is one of the biggest businesses and Im actually suprised they dont have something like that.(unless they do and I have no idea)

[lex]

Looking back just after the draft...

http://www.denverpost.com/portal/ci_5781655?_loopback=1

"We've talked before about taking an educated gamble," Shanahan said. "You have to sit down with a player. That player has to understand what the rules and regulations are. And if they do make a mistake, then you have to release that player and let them go."

"When I look back at everything that went down, I realize I was immature," Thomas said Sunday during a conference call with the Denver media.

We have to wait and see how it plays out.

[MileHighMania]

I agree... he's more headache than it's worth in my opinion. Sometimes a gamble will pay off, but... damn.

I don't know if the police are "aggressive" or not, but they certainly are drawn to this guy.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Oh Please, if it wasnt his and he had nothing to do with it I dont care and he just needs to be told and forced to stay away from this people from now on.

You have got to be kidding.... "from now on?" He promised he would stay out of trouble "from now on" when he convinced the habitually fooled Shanahan to draft him. In case you don't remember, Marcus was a top-5 talent before he nearly threw it all away on multiple drug-related incidents.

[Bronco Jamus]

Over reaction in the absence of all the facts. He could have been doing the blow or not even known about it.

[MileHighMania]

We have to wait and see how it plays out.

Well, of course we do... and if this were a guy like Marvin Harrison or LT, sure I'd likely lean more towards the "no way, not that guy" side of the argument.

Thomas is a "repeat" offender...

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I agree... he's more headache than it's worth in my opinion. Sometimes a gamble will pay off, but... damn.

I don't know if the police are "aggressive" or not, but they certainly are drawn to this guy.

Did he have problems with the police in his past or just violated FLa team rules (smokin ganj)

The moral police in this board is out in FULL FORCE on this one....jeeeeez.

[lex]

You have got to be kidding.... "from now on?" He promised he would stay out of trouble "from now on" when he convinced the habitually fooled Shanahan to draft him. In case you don't remember, Marcus was a top-5 talent before he nearly threw it all away on multiple drug-related incidents.

You know nothing yet. Do you pat down your friends whenever you go out with them? It could be his, its possibly not his. If he passes a piss test, chances are its not his since he would have no reason to have it.

[rugbythug]

With him and andre hall where is this team going. I miss back in the day when Rod and House just beat up women.

[TheReverend]

So what did he do?

Right now he seems guilty of keeping bad company... no crime there. In fact, the NFL doesn't care until someone gets shot and you're a repeat offender x10.

Of course, if he was partaking in said product, then he gets cut. End of story.

[lex]

Well, of course we do... and if this were a guy like Marvin Harrison or LT, sure I'd likely lean more towards the "no way, not that guy" side of the argument.

Thomas is a "repeat" offender...

So, why dont you wait and see before you start yelling and screaming about this.

[TheReverend]

With him and andre hall where is this team going. I miss back in the day when Rod and House just beat up women.

You'd think from this board that the professional athlete demographic was a huge institution of model character :rofl:

[MileHighMania]

Did he have problems with the police in his past or just violated FLa team rules (smokin ganj)

The moral police in this board is out in FULL FORCE on this one....jeeeeez.

:spit: Try Google. I don't have issues with people and the recreational use of pot... but, it is illegal. If he is just an innocent bystander, it sucks for him... his past will haunt him on this one.

I'm not looking for a team full of alter boys and sons of Ned Flanders, I realize that all teams are going to have their share of jackasses and criminals. I'm just tired of reading about them with Denver.

[That One Guy]

Folks sure are ready to make excuses for people...

It may be crazy and sound amazing to some of you, but I've never been arrested for being in a car with cocaine. I bet there's one or two of you out there that also haven't. Wanna know the secret? Stay away from people that use cocaine. It's really not that hard to accomplish.

I don't think anything will come of this but people saying Thomas was completely innocent are just as dumb as those who thought Henry was innocent in his debacle. In Henry's case, he may not have smoked it but he was in close proximity to someone smoking it so he's retarded. In this case, the guy may not be doing cocaine but if he's hanging around that crowd then he's retarded as well.

Folks seem to forget that the most famous Pacman episode only involved Pacman biting someone while a member of his crew shot a guy. If you can't pick your friends better than that, you're deserving of losing everything and having your name attached to incidents you may not be guilty of.

And, like I said, I don't think anything will come of this and I don't want Thomas going anywhere. Unfortunately, his replacement would have his own issues. Until these players start missing games because they're behind bars, none of them will appreciate the situation. They're all the same.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

You know nothing yet. Do you pat down your friends whenever you go out with them? It could be his, its possibly not his. If he passes a piss test, chances are its not his since he would have no reason to have it.

I'm smart enough to not run around with trouble. No need to pat them down. And if I were arrested in a similar situation... I'd be all over the newspaper and out of a job.

[TheReverend]

:spit: Try Google. I don't have issues with people and the recreational use of pot... but, it is illegal. If he is just an innocent bystander, it sucks for him... his past will haunt him on this one.

I'm not looking for a team full of alter boys and sons of Ned Flanders, I realize that all teams are going to have their share of jackasses and criminals. I'm just tired of reading about them with Denver.

Pick one of the other teams and you'll find on average the same amount of dirt.

At least you don't like Cincinnati, eh?

[TheReverend]

Folks sure are ready to make excuses for people...

It may be crazy and sound amazing to some of you, but I've never been arrested for being in a car with cocaine. I bet there's one or two of you out there that also haven't. Wanna know the secret? Stay away from people that use cocaine. It's really not that hard to accomplish.

I don't think anything will come of this but people saying Thomas was completely innocent are just as dumb as those who thought Henry was innocent in his debacle. In Henry's case, he may not have smoked it but he was in close proximity to someone smoking it so he's retarded. In this case, the guy may not be doing cocaine but if he's hanging around that crowd then he's retarded as well.

Folks seem to forget that the most famous Pacman episode only involved Pacman biting someone while a member of his crew shot a guy. If you can't pick your friends better than that, you're deserving of losing everything and having your name attached to incidents you may not be guilty of.

And, like I said, I don't think anything will come of this and I don't want Thomas going anywhere. Unfortunately, his replacement would have his own issues. Until these players start missing games because they're behind bars, none of them will appreciate the situation. They're all the same.

Sure, but what kind of people did you grow up with?

[TDmvp]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/214/510672745_b79a1a057a_o.jpg

boy this thread has blown up ....

[MileHighMania]

Sure, but what kind of people did you grow up with?

I don't care about other teams... and I really don't care what his childhood was like. Donald Driver had a tough life as well and while I don't monitor the Packers' sites, I don't recall him having recurring issues like Thomas.

[BroncoBuff]

Truncale said both the driver and Thomas were arrested because police didn’t know which man to charge.
Don't freak out yet ... a simple drug test will show whether he's innocent or gets the hammer.

[That One Guy]

Sure, but what kind of people did you grow up with?

Can that really be used as justification though? Especially considering the guy isn't naive about the kind of person that uses drugs since he's apparently been around them as much as he has. If he truly valued staying as far away from trouble as possible, it would be easily manageable.

[That One Guy]

I don't want to quote it to avoid repeating but that picture is freakin' awesome.

[MileHighMania]

It's such a weak defense when you revert to the childhood thing... sure, he could have emotional scars from having a crappy time growing up. But, he went to school at a big time program and he's playing in the NFL with a $3M contract.

Get some help... make yourself a better man. I know that players have to start taking responsibility for their actions, but it would be good in the league and the teams could find some way to get these guys help and mentoring when they enter the league - esp character issue guys.

[lex]

I'm smart enough to not run around with trouble. No need to pat them down. And if I were arrested in a similar situation... I'd be all over the newspaper and out of a job.

Did Marcus Thomas get arrested in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma? Whats the population of Broken Arrow? Im not busting on your town but if you would have been busted in the same city that Thomas was in, are you certain it would have been big news? And, btw, why arent you smart enough to wait for more infromation to come out about this?

[Florida_Bronco]

On another note. How often have you been stopped by the police. Seems to me like the police there are extremely agressive in pulling people over.

Depends on the area and the department.

[TheReverend]

I don't care about other teams... and I really don't care what his childhood was like. Donald Driver had a tough life as well and while I don't monitor the Packers' sites, I don't recall him having recurring issues like Thomas.

He's a kid. Everyone needs to relax. Kids do dumb ****. If they didn't, then they didn't have a penis. The scale of dumb **** they get themselves into scales with the opportunity to do dumb ****. You grow up in low income situations, there's tons of opportunity to do dumb ****.

That's not a license to act like a jerk-off, but even taking the Holy word of -Slap- as the Mane gospel that it is, all we know so far is he acted like an idiot to the police.

No one got hurt. If he's on the stuff, he's cut. If not, hopefully he's scared straight thinking of the opportunity of a lifetime that he just put in jeopardy.

He'll grow up... hopefully he'll do so BEFORE he's ruined his career.

[Needa Pass Rush]

Time to drug test ole Marcus.

[MileHighMania]

He's a kid. Everyone needs to relax. Kids do dumb ****. If they didn't, then they didn't have a penis. The scale of dumb **** they get themselves into scales with the opportunity to do dumb ****. You grow up in low income situations, there's tons of opportunity to do dumb ****.

That's not a license to act like a jerk-off, but even taking the Holy word of -Slap- as the Mane gospel that it is, all we know so far is he acted like an idiot to the police.

No one got hurt. If he's on the stuff, he's cut. If not, hopefully he's scared straight thinking of the opportunity of a lifetime that he just put in jeopardy.

He'll grow up... hopefully he'll do so BEFORE he's ruined his career.


:rofl: Thomas keeps getting a pass and encouragement to keep doing what he's doing because of comments like this one.

At what time does he stop being a kid?

At what time does the light upstairs need to flicker on for him to wise up?

The guy is an adult and he's been an adult for a few years... he's earned the right (thanks to genetics) to make a lot of money, it's time for him to keep himself in line to get the next big contract.

[Bronx33]

He's a kid. Everyone needs to relax. Kids do dumb ****. If they didn't, then they didn't have a penis. The scale of dumb **** they get themselves into scales with the opportunity to do dumb ****. You grow up in low income situations, there's tons of opportunity to do dumb ****.

That's not a license to act like a jerk-off, but even taking the Holy word of -Slap- as the Mane gospel that it is, all we know so far is he acted like an idiot to the police.

No one got hurt. If he's on the stuff, he's cut. If not, hopefully he's scared straight thinking of the opportunity of a lifetime that he just put in jeopardy.

He'll grow up... hopefully he'll do so BEFORE he's ruined his career.


It doesn't help they all of a sudden are millionaires most have zero idea how to act and marcus is a prime example.

[yavoon]

He's a kid. Everyone needs to relax. Kids do dumb ****. If they didn't, then they didn't have a penis. The scale of dumb **** they get themselves into scales with the opportunity to do dumb ****. You grow up in low income situations, there's tons of opportunity to do dumb ****.

That's not a license to act like a jerk-off, but even taking the Holy word of -Slap- as the Mane gospel that it is, all we know so far is he acted like an idiot to the police.

No one got hurt. If he's on the stuff, he's cut. If not, hopefully he's scared straight thinking of the opportunity of a lifetime that he just put in jeopardy.

He'll grow up... hopefully he'll do so BEFORE he's ruined his career.

shanny ain't cutting him. you don't draft drug abusers then cut them when you learn they abuse drugs. that'd be like drafting michael vick then cutting him when you find out he's not 6'5"

[Bronx33]

enroll in a drug program, community service, pay a fine, miss some games blah blah blah.

[MileHighMania]

Thomas has a ton of talent and a hell of a cap friendly deal... he could likely fail a test and still not get cut b/c of the talent and the $.

[TheReverend]

:rofl: Thomas keeps getting a pass and encouragement to keep doing what he's doing because of comments like this one.

At what time does he stop being a kid?

At what time does the light upstairs need to flicker on for him to wise up?

The guy is an adult and he's been an adult for a few years... he's earned the right (thanks to genetics) to make a lot of money, it's time for him to keep himself in line to get the next big contract.

He'll stop getting a pass when he does something wrong in a Broncos uni.

[MileHighMania]

He'll stop getting a pass when he does something wrong in a Broncos uni.

You should probably define "wrong" and does he have to be in an actual Broncos' uniform during the infraction? Under contract? Within the borders of Colorado? I just want to be clear... :welcome:

[Bronx33]

Off season drug testing would fix this problem why does the NFL stop testing in the off season? that's kinda half assed if you ask me.

[TheReverend]

You should probably define "wrong" and does he have to be in an actual Broncos' uniform during the infraction? Under contract? Within the borders of Colorado? I just want to be clear... :welcome:

Wrong=against the law or NFL conduct policy

Until then, whiny girls like you can keep throwing fits because your TV heroes aren't your real life friends.

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Did Marcus Thomas get arrested in Broken Arrow, Oklahoma? Whats the population of Broken Arrow? Im not busting on your town but if you would have been busted in the same city that Thomas was in, are you certain it would have been big news? And, btw, why arent you smart enough to wait for more infromation to come out about this?

How in the world do you not get the point? The part about the repeat offender who is supposedly on his last chance to make an NFL career... getting arrested for anything to do with narcotics.... putting himself in that situation.

As for the rest of your post... I was replying to the "do you pat your friends down?" question.

[MileHighMania]

Wrong=against the law or NFL conduct policy

Until then, whiny girls like you can keep throwing fits because your TV heroes aren't your real life friends.

Ha! That's funny... you just keep on blindly defending him. I'll live with whatever happens, but his past matters here and there's little doubt in my mind he has screwed up here.

[TheReverend]

Ha! That's funny... you just keep on blindly defending him. I'll live with whatever happens, but his past matters here and there's little doubt in my mind he has screwed up here.

Blindly defending him? If he's on anything, I'll gladly support him being cut.

I'm just trying to figure out why exactly a 37 year old is first in line to criticize the judgement of a 22 year old and condemn his decisions. You mean you're more mature... NO ****?!?!? :spit:

[DB_champ24]

You have got to be kidding.... "from now on?" He promised he would stay out of trouble "from now on" when he convinced the habitually fooled Shanahan to draft him. In case you don't remember, Marcus was a top-5 talent before he nearly threw it all away on multiple drug-related incidents.

CRY CRY CRY...If he had something to do with it Ill agree with you...if not then I DONT CARE! By the way I dont know if you saw but I think 4 or 5 of the top 10 picks from 2006 said they had smoked weed in college but they never got caught...They all do it and Marcus Thomas got caught and that sucked. Just wait and see.

[MileHighMania]

Enh, I don't think I was first in line...

Honestly, I hate the idea that he has possibly been busted. I hate it b/c it hurts the team (if true) and most importantly... if this is true, then this guy has personal demons to deal with and that needs to be priority #1 for him.

I'm not trying to be "high and mighty" on the topic, but I am genuinely worn out on the ongoing cycle of players that can't stay out of trouble. I'm tired of watching these "chances" blow up on our team.

Little things continue to add up... no matter what comes of this situation, Thomas has issues that he needs to address, otherwise it will be a never ending cycle. And, this should be another 'life lesson example' for other players. But, it won't be...

Ok, I'm going to grab some zzzzz's.

[Dudeskey]

Hmm, well at least it wasn't over a scrum in the parking lot of an Aurora IHOP ???

[Dr. Broncenstein]

CRY CRY CRY...If he had something to do with it Ill agree with you...if not then I DONT CARE! By the way I dont know if you saw but I think 4 or 5 of the top 10 picks from 2006 said they had smoked weed in college but they never got caught...They all do it and Marcus Thomas got caught and that sucked. Just wait and see.

Well at least you can take comfort in being the lowest common denominator on this board.

[TheReverend]

Enh, I don't think I was first in line...

Honestly, I hate the idea that he has possibly been busted. I hate it b/c it hurts the team (if true) and most importantly... if this is true, then this guy has personal demons to deal with and that needs to be priority #1 for him.

I'm not trying to be "high and mighty" on the topic, but I am genuinely worn out on the ongoing cycle of players that can't stay out of trouble. I'm tired of watching these "chances" blow up on our team.

Little things continue to add up... no matter what comes of this situation, Thomas has issues that he needs to address, otherwise it will be a never ending cycle. And, this should be another 'life lesson example' for other players. But, it won't be...

Ok, I'm going to grab some zzzzz's.

I'm not sure what you're tired of... Maurice did somethign wrong and was shown the door. What's so exhausting to you about that?

[wabbit]

If Thomas has any active brain cells still functioning, he, or his attorney need to immediately ask for a blood test to prove he has no narcotics in his system...and that's assuming...God D*#@ it...there aren't any.

[DB_champ24]

Well at least you can take comfort in being the lowest common denominator on this board.

What are you putting me down because I dont agree with you when you say CUT HIM for something no one has all the facts too? I've been seeing a lot of whinning on this messageboard over the last few months and its really getting annoying. I love the Broncos like the rest of you guys and Ive been cheering for them ever since I was 7(11 years ago)...When they lose I get depressed bigtime and hate to see it happen but I know it takes time to build a team and I know you need facts to the whole story before your start whinning over something like this...BTW I don't know if you've noticed it yet but it seems to me the last few people that have posted on this thread seem to agree with me to wait for all the facts to come out...

[Dr. Broncenstein]

What are you putting me down because I dont agree with you when you say CUT HIM for something no one has all the facts too? I've been seeing a lot of whinning on this messageboard over the last few months and its really getting annoying. I love the Broncos like the rest of you guys and Ive been cheering for them ever since I was 7(11 years ago)...When they lose I get depressed bigtime and hate to see it happen but I know it takes time to build a team and I know you need facts to the whole story before your start whinning over something like this...BTW I don't know if you've noticed it yet but it seems to me the last few people that have posted on this thread seem to agree with me to wait for all the facts to come out...

I was complementing you on the beautiful simplicity that is your thought process. It must be nice.

[DB_champ24]

I was complementing you on the beautiful simplicity that is your thought process. It must be nice.

I'm sorry but I guess I don't understand what your trying to say...I thought you were calling me a lesser member...But I guess you are by calling me stupid..ya thanks..really appreciate it.

[Bronco LB 59]

Time to drug test ole Marcus.

Coke leaves the body after two days. That's why it's the drug of choice for some athletes and military personnel. As long as he isn't burning dank, he's going to pass.

[TheReverend]

Coke leaves the body after two days. That's why it's the drug of choice for some athletes and military personnel. As long as he isn't burning dank, he's going to pass.

Eh. The way our old "random" monthly tests went, most of the time you got tested once a year. Really didn't deter most pot-heads at all... it was pretty rampant in Pendleton. Coke on the other hand, wasn't really an issue.

[SureShot]

Have him call Melo he could spin this.

Seriously though this is just the famous OM Freak out. I think I will take await and see approach.

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[maher_tyler]

If he was the passenger. That is a good thing.

Yea..hopefully hes telling the truth and really didn't know it was in the car...a simple drug test will prove if hes being honest.

[chaz]

Marcus will be testing Shanahan's promise to cut him at the first sign of trouble if he had anything to do with this besides being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[cutthemdown]

Not his fault unless he fails a drug test, I bet he doesn't get charged.

[fdf]

it's all about the company you keep.

Amen. You lie down in the gutter. You come up with fleas.

[Broncos_OTM]

Amen. You lie down in the gutter. You come up with fleas.

i lived in VA in the country and my dogs had fleas OMG i friggin hate FLeas awwwwwwwwwwwwww..

oh and marcus... marcus marcus...it was nice knowing ya man

[fdf]

And again, this may be a non issue for Thomas and the team. It's not a huge stretch to assume that there could have been coke in the car without him knowing. Hell, I was out with several friends one night and riding with some meth under the seat. I would have never known had they not got busted later in the night.

It's really not a non-issue. What it says is that he hasn't learned a key lesson from the past problems he has had. YOU CAN'T HANG OUT WITH SCUM IF YOU'RE AN NFL PLAYER.

If you do, eventually bad stuff is going to happen to you. Even if MT was completely innocent here, the real problem is he was riding around in a car with a guy who has a baggie of cocaine in the car. Maybe the guy was Mitt Romney and noone could have suspected he was a drug user. But probably, it was someone from his past that MT knows uses. What is he doing in the same car with that person?

And the consequences aren't just a night in jail. You hang around with folks like that and there's a good chance you will get shot.

I know this from personal experience. I used to hang with bad boys and girls. Bad stuff happens around them. If you hang with them long enough, bad stuff happens to you. It's just a matter of time. I finally wised up and won't come close to them today. MT has to figure that out. I hope he does; but it's not looking too hopeful. Stupid boy.

[wolf754life]

fire mike shannahan, anyone sick of this yet?

[Dr. Broncenstein]

It's really not a non-issue. What it says is that he hasn't learned a key lesson from the past problems he has had. YOU CAN'T HANG OUT WITH SCUM IF YOU'RE AN NFL PLAYER.

If you do, eventually bad stuff is going to happen to you. Even if MT was completely innocent here, the real problem is he was riding around in a car with a guy who has a baggie of cocaine in the car. Maybe the guy was Mitt Romney and noone could have suspected he was a drug user. But probably, it was someone from his past that MT knows uses. What is he doing in the same car with that person?

And the consequences aren't just a night in jail. You hang around with folks like that and there's a good chance you will get shot.

I know this from personal experience. I used to hang with bad boys and girls. Bad stuff happens around them. If you hang with them long enough, bad stuff happens to you. It's just a matter of time. I finally wised up and won't come close to them today. MT has to figure that out. I hope he does; but it's not looking too hopeful. Stupid boy.

Sadly, your post makes too much sense.

Apparently if he tests negative for cocaine, then he did nothing wrong. Anything but this opionion means that you are a crying, whining, moral police with unrealistically high expectations.

[TheReverend]

Sadly, your post makes too much sense.

Apparently if he tests negative for cocaine, then he did nothing wrong. Anything but this opionion means that you are a crying, whining, moral police with unrealistically high expectations.

True.

Even fdf in his post contradicts himself. He admits he learned this lesson because he himself used to hang out with the type. So if Marcus tests negative, he's in that same situation. Right now he's guilty of being of 22 and the bad judgement that comes with it.

[Mr Chatterboodamn]

fire mike shannahan, anyone sick of this yet?

yr comment = evidence that we should keep him

[footstepsfrom#27]

And the beat goes on...LOL...we never learn do we?

[elsid13]

My question what was happening that caused them to be pull over in the first place? There usually is a cause and effect when comes to folks being arrested.

[yerner]

I guess I'm in the minority but I don't think we should cut the cord with Marcus just yet.

Wish he could learn to be a more responsible American and do his drugs at home like the rest of the population.

[Ratboy]

Why is everyone freaking out? You guys act like he was caught in the act of snorting it. They said he did not have possession, nor did he have knowledge of it until the traffic stop.

[Ratboy]

"I don't think charges will be formally filed," Burnoski said Sunday night. "But the damage has been done. In the court of public opinion, this looks horrible. Marcus knows it. He has been very upset. He's depressed by this. He's embarrassed. He never wanted to let the Broncos down."

So true.


"Marcus was drinking, but he did the right thing by getting a ride," Burnoski said. "He had no idea there was drugs in the car."



Instead of getting on his ass because he was hanging out with a cocaine user, how about give him a pat on the back for not drinking and driving.

Way to go Marcus, show us the right!

[Ratboy]

This is a non issue. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Why is everyone freaking out? You guys act like he was caught in the act of snorting it. They said he did not have possession, nor did he have knowledge of it until the traffic stop.
Shanny said he was on an extremely short leash...unless his buddy cops to the dope and he passes a drug test with flying colors I'd say he just slit his own throat. What are the odds of the first one happening? Probably slim. If he gets charged with this that's probably it for him in Denver.

How many times do we have to get burned with these guys before we wise up? I was cautiously on board with us taking him since Shanny supposedly knew the ins and outs of his situation and spent time investigating this thing to his satisfaction but this crap has got to stop. You'd think that after the parade of losers with legal/medical issues that we've run through here in the last few years that at some point a light bulb might flick on in the Rat's brain...right? I gotta feeling it's never gonne happen like that. He likes to gamble to much on risky projects with high upsides and question marks that cause other teams to ignore them.

Get used to it...this is our lot in life as long as he's coach in Denver.

[Ratboy]

Shanny said he was on an extremely short leash...unless his buddy cops to the dope and he passes a drug test with flying colors I'd say he just slit his own throat. What are the odds of the first one happening? Probably slim. If he gets charged with this that's probably it for him in Denver.

How many times do we have to get burned with these guys before we wise up? I was cautiously on board with us taking him since Shanny supposedly knew the ins and outs of his situation and spent time investigating this thing to his satisfaction but this crap has got to stop. You'd think that after the parade of losers with legal/medical issues that we've run through here in the last few years that at some point a light bulb might flick on in the Rat's brain...right? I gotta feeling it's never gonne happen like that. He likes to gamble to much on risky projects with high upsides and question marks that cause other teams to ignore them.

Get used to it...this is our lot in life as long as he's coach in Denver.


His agent said they gave Marcus a drug test, he passed.

[MileHighMania]

"I don't think charges will be formally filed," Burnoski said Sunday night. "But the damage has been done. In the court of public opinion, this looks horrible. Marcus knows it. He has been very upset. He's depressed by this. He's embarrassed. He never wanted to let the Broncos down."

So true.


"Marcus was drinking, but he did the right thing by getting a ride," Burnoski said. "He had no idea there was drugs in the car."



Instead of getting on his ass because he was hanging out with a cocaine user, how about give him a pat on the back for not drinking and driving.

Way to go Marcus, show us the right!

I slept for a few hours, woke up refreshed and read this article... I have done a 180 on the topic and feel the guy is man of the year material now. :notworthy You go big man, show us the way!

[footstepsfrom#27]

His agent said they gave Marcus a drug test, he passed.
Who is "they"? The big worry here is whether he gets charged or not and the cops are not likely to drop charges just because he passes a piss test. If nobody cops to the dope...both these guys will probably get to share the blame.

[Jetmeck]

If he was the passenger. That is a good thing.


Yes you are right I would hope if I was a passenger and had no knowledge of what the driver had in his possession and we are stopped for speeding or whatever I would not be even indicted for possesion. But hell ,l forget where I was and I forgot about due process....the Maners already convicted the guy just like they did HENRY and we see how that came out ? HUH ?

[MileHighMania]

Don't get me wrong... I hope Marcus can find a technicality that can save him, then he can say he's innocent. Thomas survived in Denver nearly an entire year without issues... I hope he can get past this one and start a multi-year streak of non-issues.

[SPORTSWRITER]

Broncos' Thomas arrested on cocaine suspicion
By Bill Williamson
The Denver Post

Article Last Updated: 03/03/2008 04:26:17 AM MST


Broncos defensive tackle Marcus Thomas was arrested on suspicion of possession of a controlled substance early Saturday morning in northeast Florida and spent the night in jail.

Thomas, the Broncos' fourth-round draft choice in 2007, was kicked off the University of Florida's national championship team in 2006 because he tested positive for marijuana multiple times.

This time, police in Clay County, Fla., found cocaine in a car in which Thomas was a passenger. Neither Thomas nor the driver admitted it was his, and both men were arrested. Thomas was released Sunday morning.

The Broncos were looking into the incident and had no comment.

Thomas' agent and high school coach, Richard Burnoski, said Thomas was innocent.

"I don't think charges will be formally filed," Burnoski said Sunday night. "But the damage has been done. In the court of public opinion, this looks horrible. Marcus knows it. He has been very upset. He's depressed by this. He's embarrassed. He never wanted to let the Broncos down."

Burnoski said police found a trace amount of cocaine in the middle console of a car in which Thomas was the passenger.

Burnoski said Thomas, a Jacksonville native, was coming back to Denver and was having a going-away party.

"Marcus was drinking, but he did the right thing by getting a ride," Burnoski said. "He had no idea there was drugs in the car."

Burnoski said that Thomas took a drug test after his release and that it came back negative. Burnoski said the NFL and the Broncos will be sent the results of the test.

While a football player at Florida, Thomas sought treatment for drug use and passed almost 20 weekly tests leading up to the draft, He was considered a top-10 prospect but fell to the fourth round. The Broncos traded this year's third-round pick to Minnesota to select Thomas at No. 121 overall. He became a starter and was expected to be a major part of the Broncos' defense in 2008.

Thomas said several times last year that he had learned his lesson and didn't want to jeopardize his chances of NFL success.

"Honest to God, Marcus didn't know the cocaine was there," Burnoski said. "But because of the past, people will have a hard time believing him. But I do believe he will not be charged with this."

Bill Williamson: 303-954-1262 or bwilliamson@denverpost.com

Man, I sure hope the NFL believes Burnoski and the test actually was negative. I was counting on this guy to step up big this year! Maybe it's foolish, but I truly believed MT had learned his lesson!

[MileHighMania]

I have no doubts that Marcus was very humbled by his draft experience in 2007 and that he was very remorseful and ready to turn the page when given a chance by Denver. But, part of change and moving on means he has to evaluate what company he keeps and if you don't change your surroundings, you won't change your habits.

I hope he's innocent and I hate not giving the guy the benefit of the doubt, but in this case I don't... I just don't believe the story. But, that's all and the story should be put on hold until further updates.

Best of luck to you Marcus.

[Broncoman13]

What's with the "(LOL?)" in the thread title? Am I missing the sarc or something?

Marcus' attorney is 100% correct. He may be innocent with regards to his arrest, but the court of public opinion isn't going to be so easy on him. Shanny will tell him he was supposed to watch his company and be responsible. Zero tolerance I believe was the policy. He's shown patience with Brandon Marshall so we'll see, but this doesn't look good!.

[lex]

If he tested clean, there's no reason to think it was his.

[BroncoInferno]

If he tested clean, there's no reason to think it was his.

Yep. Still, he needs to reevaluate who he rolls with.

[vancejohnson82]

no big deal if the tests come back clean

but wait, let's call for Shanny's head anyway!!!!

[alkemical]

I smell a lie detector test coming up.

[Popcorn Sutton]

This is really disappointing. I know he has a checkered past but so do 30% of the NFL players. I really thought Marcus would realize it's time to roll with a different crowd. Ok, so it sounds like he is innocent of the cocaine possession but the damage is done in the court of public perception. I really have high hopes for Marcus but he has to realize that anything like this is going to look ten times worse given his background. Damn, this is just annoying... stay clean and you are going to be set for life.

[cmhargrove]

Bad judgement. Bad luck, but it sounds like he has been true to his word.

No reason to cut him. Good thing he will be hanging around guys like Ekuban and Dumervil soon.

He has bad friends. The kid needs to learn. But, as far as I can see, he was responsible enough to get a ride and dumb enough to pick the wrong car.

[DarkHorse]

Swing and a miss


Juuuuuuuuuuuuuust a bit outside

[lex]

Yep. Still, he needs to reevaluate who he rolls with.

Take it for what its worth since its coming from his agent but, what can you say really if he was in the car only because he had been drinking and was catching a ride home? The agent made it sound like it wasnt necessarily like he was in the car hanging out with a buddy. Again though, thats assuming the agent is accurate.

[Merlin]

I smell a lie detector test coming up.
LOL Too much I do about nothing. Despite some people's uninformed opinion of the law, MT culpability in this matter on the surface does not come close to meeting the reasonable doubt threshold. If there is nothing connecting him to the coke, there is nothing he can be charged with. The cops just arrest everybody and let the cts settle it, and the cts would just dismiss a case like MT if NOTHING can be connected to him. Not his car, not the driver, no cocaine in his system, and I'm guessing no fingerprints on the bag.

Now as to MT's association, many of us have had friends who did some form of drug and were not the slime of the earth, in fact we were not even aware they enjoyed drugs just for kicks. The driver may be a slimeball, but so far we have been given absolutely no evidence either way. Despite what the media says, a small bag of coke does not make an individual a slimeball (it may have been his first and last experience of the drug). Better yet, the only connection to the coke the driver has is that it was in his car (and that is not good), but that does not mean it was his (one of HIS friends may have drooped it).

PS the NFL substance abuse program will no be able to touch MT, since there is no evidence connecting him. I'm surprised you were willing to jump to such a quick conclusion Socal.

PPS what was the cops justification for searching the car?

[alkemical]

LOL Too much I do about nothing. Despite some people's uninformed opinion of the law, MT culpability in this matter on the surface does not come close to meeting the reasonable doubt threshold. If there is nothing connecting him to the coke, there is nothing he can be charged with. The cops just arrest everybody and let the cts settle it, and the cts would just dismiss a case like MT if NOTHING can be connected to him. Not his car, not the driver, no cocaine in his system, and I'm guessing no fingerprints on the bag.

Now as to MT's association, many of us have had friends who did some form of drug and were not the slime of the earth, in fact we were not even aware they enjoyed drugs just for kicks. The driver may be a slimeball, but so far we have been given absolutely no evidence either way. Despite what the media says, a small bag of coke does not make an individual a slimeball (it may have been his first and last experience of the drug). Better yet, the only connection to the coke the driver has is that it was in his car (and that is not good), but that does not mean it was his (one of HIS friends may have drooped it).

PS the NFL substance abuse program will no be able to touch MT, since there is no evidence connecting him. I'm surprised you were willing to jump to such a quick conclusion Socal.

PPS what was the cops justification for searching the car?


Hey, i'm just commenting on the fact Shanny pulls out the Lie Detector on just about anything it seems. That, and well - i don't know how you roll - but i don't trust a coke head. (I've been burned a few times)

[rugbythug]

Hey, i'm just commenting on the fact Shanny pulls out the Lie Detector on just about anything it seems. That, and well - i don't know how you roll - but i don't trust a coke head. (I've been burned a few times)

Dude what are you doing hanging around those type of people??

[DenverBrit]

fire mike shannahan, anyone sick of this yet?

Pretty much, but that won't stop you from constantly repeating yourself.

[alkemical]

Dude what are you doing hanging around those type of people??

Eh, happens. In a past-life, I had some interesting jobs.

[DenverBrit]

"Burnoski said that Thomas took a drug test after his release and that it came back negative."


If true......there's nothing more to see here.

[-Slap-]

This is really disappointing. I know he has a checkered past but so do 30% of the NFL players. I really thought Marcus would realize it's time to roll with a different crowd. Ok, so it sounds like he is innocent of the cocaine possession but the damage is done in the court of public perception. I really have high hopes for Marcus but he has to realize that anything like this is going to look ten times worse given his background. Damn, this is just annoying... stay clean and you are going to be set for life.

30% of NFL players were not kicked off their college football teams.

[Merlin]

Hey, i'm just commenting on the fact Shanny pulls out the Lie Detector on just about anything it seems. That, and well - i don't know how you roll - but i don't trust a coke head. (I've been burned a few times)
I thought is was very funny. My smiley was directed at your, my comment was directed to other posters. I should have started in a different para. Although I agree with your comments about coke heads, my other point was didn't even know if the driver fell into that category. Was it his first time? Does he do it just once every blue moon? Was it even his? I just think were way to fast to hang the MT. Although I'm not from footsteps school of law, I do like to have some credible evidence (that at least comes close to meeting the threshold of reasonable doubt) before convicting someone.

[Popcorn Sutton]

30% of NFL players were not kicked off their college football teams.

I'll give you that Slap...

[lex]

30% of NFL players were not kicked off their college football teams.

He was ultimately kicked off not for drugs but for violating the stipulations rendered for his involvement with drugs. I believe he actually violated a curfew and went home when he wasnt supposed to, which if memory serves, were two of his conditions for remaining on the team. Not exactly flagrant but the school held his feet to the fire and stuck to their guns, whereas a lot of schools may have looked the other way on things like curfews and going home.

[Bronco Jamus]

PPS what was the cops justification for searching the car?

That's what I would like to know. I guess we'll get more details later. I guess I just don't understand all the outrage.

[Bronco Jamus]

He was ultimately kicked off not for drugs but for violating the stipulations rendered for his involvement with drugs. I believe he actually violated a curfew and went home when he wasnt supposed to, which if memory serves, were two of his conditions for remaining on the team. Not exactly flagrant but the school held his feet to the fire and stuck to their guns, whereas a lot of schools may have looked the other way on things like curfews and going home.

Is that really why they kicked him off the team outside of his pot use? Seems overboard to me.

[alkemical]

I thought is was very funny. My smiley was directed at your, my comment was directed to other posters. I should have started in a different para. Although I agree with your comments about coke heads, my other point was didn't even know if the driver fell into that category. Was it his first time? Does he do it just once every blue moon? Was it even his? I just think were way to fast to hang the MT. Although I'm not from footsteps school of law, I do like to have some credible evidence (that at least comes close to meeting the threshold of reasonable doubt) before convicting someone.

No problem Mr. Wizard.

[wolf754life]

Ich Will, by Rammstein

[vancejohnson82]

David Tyree was picked up for marijuana last off-season

one year later, all anyone knows about that guy is that he made, "The Catch"

[fdf]

Take it for what its worth since its coming from his agent but, what can you say really if he was in the car only because he had been drinking and was catching a ride home?

It means he was at the wrong party with the wrong people. NFL players have to cut their ties with the drinking, drugging, banging companions of the past. It they don't stuff like this will eventually happen to them.

It's too bad. NFL players have grow up so quickly. MT is just a baby. But he's a baby who is going to make millions of dollars if he grows up fast. He chose the fast lane in careers and has to match his behavior to what he chose.

I managed to let go of my friends in low places without having to do time and I got out alive. Blind luck. But by the time those folks were out of my life, I was at NFL retirement age.

Sadly, well over half of my former friends in low places are, today, dead or doing hard time. Street life sucks and MT needs a clean break now. Maybe he'll get it. But when you're young and rich, you believe you are invulnerable. Turns out, the "invulnerable" ones are just the lucky ones.

[lex]

It means he was at the wrong party with the wrong people. NFL players have to cut their ties with the drinking, drugging, banging companions of the past. It they don't stuff like this will eventually happen to them.

It's too bad. NFL players have grow up so quickly. MT is just a baby. But he's a baby who is going to make millions of dollars if he grows up fast. He chose the fast lane in careers and has to match his behavior to what he chose.

I managed to let go of my friends in low places without having to do time and I got out alive. Blind luck. But by the time those folks were out of my life, I was at NFL retirement age.

Sadly, well over half of my former friends in low places are, today, dead or doing hard time. Street life sucks and MT needs a clean break now. Maybe he'll get it. But when you're young and rich, you believe you are invulnerable. Turns out, the "invulnerable" ones are just the lucky ones.

Wow. All that. Some of you make it sound like something sinister. Maybe it is or maybe it isnt but as far as we know he just made it through the football season without incident. And for all we know it may not even be his friend that he got a ride home from...it may be a friend of a friend or whatever. It seems like a lot of you want to turn everything into a rap song when not enough is really known at this point.

[Florida_Bronco]

Hate to say I told ya so....

[Paladin]

Told me what? Thomas has not broken faith with the Broncos. But haters come out all the time. There are many retards on this board, starting with Wolf, telluride and others.....

[Florida_Bronco]

Told me what? Thomas has not broken faith with the Broncos. But haters come out all the time. There are many retards on this board, starting with Wolf, telluride and others.....

I was referring to people like Dr. Broncostein and others who got all riled up over what appears to be nothing.

[Paladin]

Okay. But my comments about there being retards here abouts stands.....

[MileHighMania]

I won't apologize for getting riled up and I hope everything that is being said by those involved is true. I hope the guy has turned the page, but thanks in part to his on actions... he hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt for me.

MT can prove of all the doubters wrong by staying clean and I would happily admit to being wrong.

[BroncoBuff]

If he tested clean, there's no reason to think it was his.
Definitely ... let's hope he does.


LOTS of problems with this thing.


1) It was a tiny amount ... a "trace amount" only:
Burnoski said police found a trace amount of cocaine in the middle console of a car in which Thomas was the passenger.


2) I'm getting the distinct impression this was a "DWB" stop .... "Driving While Black." I will be very interested in what the officer narrative describes as the "reasonable suspision" and/or "probable cause" he relied upon to root around in the bottom of the console .... but I think we already know what it was: they were two young black men.


3) Take it from me - after 11 years as a criminal defense lawyer in Los Angeles - the console is not within the "dominion and control" of the passenger. MT will win this case in court if it ever even gets that far.


He doesn't HAVE to take a drug test for the criminal situation, but he damn well better do so for Shanahan and Goode3ll, and it damn well beter be clean.

[alkemical]

Definitely ... let's hope he does.


LOTS of problems with this thing.


1) It was a tiny amount ... a "trace amount" only:



2) I'm getting the distinct impression this was a "DWB" stop .... "Driving While Black." I will be very interested in what the officer narrative describes as the "reasonable suspision" and/or "probable cause" he relied upon to root around in the bottom of the console .... but I think we already know what it was: they were two young black men.


3) Take it from me - after 11 years as a criminal defense lawyer in Los Angeles - the console is not within the "dominion and control" of the passenger. MT will win this case in court if it ever even gets that far.


He doesn't HAVE to take a drug test for the criminal situation, but he damn well better do so for Shanahan and Goode3ll, and it damn well beter be clean.



I think he did take a test already:

"The Denver Broncos are aware that Marcus Thomas is under investigation for possession of cocaine and was a passenger in a vehicle where cocaine was found. The owner/operator of the vehicle has since admitted the cocaine was his and no cocaine was ever found on Marcus Thomas. Within hours of his release, Marcus had a test which confirmed that there was no cocaine in his system. The Broncos are hopeful that no charges will be filed, and we are monitoring the situation as it goes forward."

[BMF Bronco]

Shocking, Bob was wrong again.

[-Slap-]

He was ultimately kicked off not for drugs but for violating the stipulations rendered for his involvement with drugs. I believe he actually violated a curfew and went home when he wasnt supposed to, which if memory serves, were two of his conditions for remaining on the team. Not exactly flagrant but the school held his feet to the fire and stuck to their guns, whereas a lot of schools may have looked the other way on things like curfews and going home.

You're extremely stupid.

[Florida_Bronco]

2) I'm getting the distinct impression this was a "DWB" stop .... "Driving While Black." I will be very interested in what the officer narrative describes as the "reasonable suspision" and/or "probable cause" he relied upon to root around in the bottom of the console .... but I think we already know what it was: they were two young black men.

Chances are the police saw them commit a minor infraction like speeding or failure to yield and during the stop asked permission to search the vehicle. Most people simply don't know their rights and/or are too scared to say no to the police, even if they know there is something incriminating inside the car.

[theAPAOps5]

Slap he has done nothing more than hitch a ride with a scum bag. You are rushing to judgement on him. I think the fact that he kept his nose clean (pardon the pun) and made his way to playing and contributing for Denver says a lot. I don't think one infraction where he was a passenger should make you slam the guy like you have. People actually started a thread asking about Thomas as they have heard very little. How often can that be said about a person with a checkered past brought in by Denver?

Before you call me stupid and other names I want to say I know why you feel the way you do with Denver's track record but I actually think Thomas might be the exception. I hope so at least.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Is that really why they kicked him off the team outside of his pot use? Seems overboard to me.

There were many reasons beyond that. The DL coach wanted him gone before the spring practices began.

[ohiobronco2]

2) I'm getting the distinct impression this was a "DWB" stop .... "Driving While Black." I will be very interested in what the officer narrative describes as the "reasonable suspision" and/or "probable cause" he relied upon to root around in the bottom of the console .... but I think we already know what it was: they were two young black men.

Who knows why they stopped them. I wouldn't jump to conclusions just yet. I've been stopped before (I'm White) for no reason at all, I wasn't breaking any traffic laws and when I asked the officer why I was pulled over he stated that somebody had reported a similar vehicle going through that same neighborhood earlier at a high rate of speed. I find it hard to believe that somebody else had a vehicle that looked equally crappy as mine and I didn't go through that area earlier. Also, I was pulled over in Indiana for expired tags (I had no idea when they expired, that was still handled by my parents at the time), I asked the officer why he ran my plates and he stated he didn't need a reason to run my plates. He could do so if he wished. This is the reason why I will never spend another dime in the state of Indiana, the bast*rd ending up costing me $300 to tow 15 miles accross state lines to my apartment in Oxford and over $100 for the ticket. All of that for 3 day old tags.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

You're extremely stupid.

Everyone knows Millhouse is the most ignorant 12 year old on this board.

[lex]

Everyone knows Millhouse is the most ignorant 12 year old on this board.

Go fire up some BC games in the DVR. I cant wait to hear how you think Matt Ryan is better suited as an option QB. LOL

[lex]

He was ultimately kicked off not for drugs but for violating the stipulations rendered for his involvement with drugs. I believe he actually violated a curfew and went home when he wasnt supposed to, which if memory serves, were two of his conditions for remaining on the team. Not exactly flagrant but the school held his feet to the fire and stuck to their guns, whereas a lot of schools may have looked the other way on things like curfews and going home.

You're extremely stupid.

http://www.jacksonville.com/tu-online/stories/110506/col_6025024.shtml

Thomas violated rules, kicked off UF team


'They had to dismiss me,' says Jacksonville native; he says drugs aren't issue.


By MICHAEL DIROCCO, The Times-Union


NASHVILLE, Tenn. - Defensive tackle Marcus Thomas has been dismissed from the Florida football team because he violated the conditions he agreed to upon his return from a two-game drug suspension.

Thomas, a former Mandarin High standout, told the Times-Union Saturday night that he broke curfew, went on an unapproved out-of-town trip and missed a mandatory drug-education class. He said he did not fail a third marijuana drug test.

"I violated the rules they set up for me to play football," the 6-foot-3, 296-pound senior said. "I just couldn't keep on going through with it. I violated that and they had to dismiss me."

Thomas did not accompany the Gators to Nashville for their game against Vanderbilt, and UF coach Urban Meyer declined to comment beyond the statement school officials released during the Gators' 25-19 victory over the Commodores.

"Marcus did not meet his responsibilities and obligations to remain on the team," the statement said.

Thomas was suspended for the season opener because he failed a marijuana test, and he was suspended indefinitely on Sept. 20 after he failed a second test. Thomas said he believed the second positive test result was related to the first, and he appealed. The school's drug committee reduced the suspension to two games, and Thomas returned for the Gators' 23-10 victory over LSU on Oct. 7.

Meyer and the school, however, set certain conditions for Thomas to remain on the team. Thomas said he had to abide by a curfew, check in with the coaching staff daily, remain in Gainesville, participate in drug-education classes four nights a week and participate in a 12-step drug program on the weekend.

Thomas said he does not have a problem with drugs, but that the conditions became overwhelming, especially the 12-step program.

"I don't [have a problem with drugs]," Thomas said. "That was making it [going to the 12-step program] real hard on me.

"The coaches did all they can to help me play. I didn't fulfill the goals and they let me go."

The team was told of Thomas' dismissal on Friday, and Thomas said he spoke with defensive linemen Ray McDonald and Steven Harris by phone Friday night.

"In this situation, you got a problem you just try and get help," Harris said. "Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't work ... I guess it wasn't enough."

Thomas said he isn't sure if he will remain in school.

"I don't know what I'm going to do yet," he said. "I've just got to get away from everything and get my mind right, relax and decided about [school] and the [NFL Draft] combine."

In your face jackass.

[OABB]

You're extremely stupid.


at least he didn't say this a few pages back.

And when I screamed bloody murder because we traded up for a kid who did enough stupid and selfish things to get kicked off his football team, 90% of the board told me, "it was just a little pot".

Skipping out on court mandated rehab sessions is not just about a little pot. Getting kicked off a team making a National Championship run isn't just about a little pot.

He's a ****up.

[BroncoBuff]

Chances are the police saw them commit a minor infraction like speeding or failure to yield and during the stop asked permission to search the vehicle. Most people simply don't know their rights and/or are too scared to say no to the police, even if they know there is something incriminating inside the car.
You are so very right ... cops can ask to look at/search anything they want, and your consent trumps all your constitutional rights. And declining to permit a search cannot be used as part of the "totality of circumstances" that add up to RS or PC.

Just say no.

Maybe this wasn't DWB for the stop, but I'll bet tghe house it was DWB for the request to search ... a million bucks says the cop wasn't black.

Don't get me wrong, I'm 99% pro-law enforcement. I just hate simple traffic stops escalating to vehicle searches. A MAJOR pet peeve of mine against the flatfoots out there on patrol.

[BroncoBuff]

"I violated the rules they set up for me to play football," the 6-foot-3, 296-pound senior said. "I just couldn't keep on going through with it. I violated that and they had to dismiss me."
Sounds like he took responsibility for screwing up like a man, Slap ...


And there's another point I know you'll agree with: Urban Meyer is one major tightass 'field marshall' type. His postgame press conference after losing to Michigan a couple months back was a psychiatric study in denial ...

[Merlin]

In your face jackass.
I think he is saying that the ROOT cause for his being dismissed is not because he missed curfew, but rather because he violated one of the conditions placed on him for reinstatement into the team BECAUSE of his drug use. So drug use is the direct cause because he would have never been kicked off if he had violated curfew but had no drug problems.

That being said I think Slap is being far too hard on the kid and far too many posters were critical of him when there was absolutely no evidence he had knowingly done anything wrong...but then again, no surprise there. There appears to be no shortage of drama queens these days in the mane.

[Bronco Jamus]

It would seem that mandating that he had to stay in Gainesville on his free time was a violation of his constitutional rights.

[SoCalBronco]

Sounds like he took responsibility for screwing up like a man, Slap ...


And there's another point I know you'll agree with: Urban Meyer is one major tightass 'field marshall' type. His postgame press conference after losing to Michigan a couple months back was a psychiatric study in denial ...

Urban Meyer is not a "field marshall". He condones thuggery all the time and is a classless human being. He might have had it up with MT, but that was the exception and not the norm.

[BroncoBuff]

... said the Canes fan.


Well, you're probably right. He is very weird, though. Watching that press conference after they lost to Michigan was like watching a train wreck ... he was semi choked-up, but acted as if they had WON the game. It was textbook denial - borderline delusional. He actually said that his Gators would continue to be "the New England of the college ranks."

[BroncoBuff]

It means he was at the wrong party with the wrong people. NFL players have to cut their ties with the drinking, drugging, banging companions of the past. It they don't stuff like this will eventually happen to them.

It's too bad. NFL players have grow up so quickly. MT is just a baby. But he's a baby who is going to make millions of dollars if he grows up fast. He chose the fast lane in careers and has to match his behavior to what he chose.

I managed to let go of my friends in low places without having to do time and I got out alive. Blind luck. But by the time those folks were out of my life, I was at NFL retirement age.

Sadly, well over half of my former friends in low places are, today, dead or doing hard time. Street life sucks and MT needs a clean break now. Maybe he'll get it. But when you're young and rich, you believe you are invulnerable. Turns out, the "invulnerable" ones are just the lucky ones.
Beautiful post ... thank you for that.

I still believe it's understandable that young guys stay loyal to their childhood/high school friends. Like I said, his high school coach is his agent. And while that's a beautiful post fdf, there's no indication this friend is a low-life or gangbanger, though I suppose he could be. The whole search of the vehicle stinks to high heaven ... I'm halfway expecting the drug test on this "trace amount" to come back as talcum powder. Now wouldn't that be a major twist.

[lex]

I think he is saying that the ROOT cause for his being dismissed is not because he missed curfew, but rather because he violated one of the conditions placed on him for reinstatement into the team BECAUSE of his drug use. So drug use is the direct cause because he would have never been kicked off if he had violated curfew but had no drug problems.

That being said I think Slap is being far too hard on the kid and far too many posters were critical of him when there was absolutely no evidence he had knowingly done anything wrong...but then again, no surprise there. There appears to be no shortage of drama queens these days in the mane.

A lot of the stigma is driven by the fact that he was kicked off the team...just as much as the fact that marijuana was involved. And being kicked off the team was driven by not complying with his conditions. As a matter of fact, several of last years top draft picks admitted to smoking marijuana including Okoye and Calvin Johnson, yet you rarely hear about this. But of course, they werent kicked off their teams.

[BroncoBuff]

A lot of the stigma is driven by the fact that he was kicked off the team...just as much as the fact that marijuana was involved. And being kicked off the team was driven by not complying with his conditions. As a matter of fact, several of last years top draft picks admitted to smoking marijuana including Okoye and Calvin Johnson, yet you rarely hear about this. But of course, they werent kicked off their teams.
This is definitely NOT and excuse for Thomas and the others, but marijuana laws are a complete joke. If a company could manufacture marijuana or obtain a patent for it, the stuff would be legalized in less than half a heartbeat.

[fdf]

"I still believe it's understandable that young guys stay loyal to their childhood/high school friends."

I understand it all too well. It's a choice and it's a hard one, especially for a very young man. MT will make his decision and will have no choice but to live with the consequences either way.

I'd prefer he made the choice that helped my beloved Broncos. For me, I had to cut all ties to the life. Folks I've helped since then have had the same experience. If you don't, it sucks you back in and bad stuff happens if you are anywhere near it.

[BroncoBuff]

"I still believe it's understandable that young guys stay loyal to their childhood/high school friends."

I understand it all too well. It's a choice and it's a hard one, especially for a very young man. MT will make his decision and will have no choice but to live with the consequences either way.

I'd prefer he made the choice that helped my beloved Broncos. For me, I had to cut all ties to the life. Folks I've helped since then have had the same experience. If you don't, it sucks you back in and bad stuff happens if you are anywhere near it.
I applaud your courage, and admire your results fdf.

I dunno what you do for a living and stuff ... but it's probably harder and more guilt-wracking to abandon your childhood/HS friends if you've "made it big" in the NFL. And remember we don't know how "street" MT's homies really are (although the handgun in the glovebox is a pretty good indicator).

Carmelo Anthony is a case-study in this area ... I saw a TV report about how he handles it. He grew up in a VERY tough part of Baltimore, one of the worst hoods in the US, actually, but he stays in touch and stays close. He just restricts his visits to daylight hours, makes it clear to all that he ccannot be part of any street life stuff, and apparently he takes an entourage including a guy with a video camera whenever he visits.

[alkemical]

and enough weed to smoke the block out!