Schefter: B.Bailey to visit Wednesday, Elam's Denver career likely over

[montrose]

Detroit free-agent linebacker Boss Bailey, the younger brother of Broncos cornerback Champ Bailey, is scheduled to visit Denver on Wednesday. The Bailey brothers always have wanted to play on the same NFL team, and this is their best chance to date to do it. --Adam Schefter

Seattle, Kansas City and Atlanta are scrambling for kickers and the best one left on the market has put off visits until mid March. But at that time, Broncos free-agent kicker Jason Elam already has planned trips. Elam would like to visit the teams earlier, but he had a scheduling conflict. Either way, it now appears as if Elam will not return to Denver and his long career there has come to an end. --Adam Schefter

http://www.nfl.com/freeagency/story;jsessionid=DB14E10305EC99ECC1B79D1627A19600? id=09000d5d806fdcb5&template=with-video&confirm=true

[MileHighMagic]

If he goes to KC I will vomit!

[TheDave]

Who the hell do we plan to replace him with?

[SoCalBronco]

If he goes to KC I will vomit!

Jason should get the best deal for himself. If its in KC, he should do it.

[Killericon]

Weeeeeeeeak.

[montrose]

Who the hell do we plan to replace him with?

Matt Prater, signed from Dolphins practice squad last year. 1 for 4 in his career.

[TheDave]

Matt Prater, signed from Dolphins practice squad last year. 1 for 4 in his career.

Great... ::)

I'm guessing it is too late to franchise him.

[SpringStein]

Jason is from Georgia. I'll guess he finishes out his career close to home with the Falcons.

[SouthStndJunkie]

It will be a shame if he plays for another team besides Denver.

Some scrub will replace him and miss a few game winners and the whining will commence.

[Dukes]

Here's the list of kickers in the draft according to nfldraftcountdown.com

So who's the best? And when should the Broncos draft one?


1. Taylor Mehlhaff Wisconsin 5-11 184 4.95
2. Brandon Coutu Georgia 6-0 200 5.10
3. Steven Hauschka North Carolina St. 6-2 185 5.00
4. Art Carmody Louisville 5-8 165 5.10
5. Shane Longest St. Xavier 5-11 180 4.85
6. Garrett Hartley Oklahoma 5-8 204 4.95
7. Alexis Serna Oregon St. 5-8 170 4.70
8. Jeremy Ito Rutgers 5-11 190 4.95
9. Rob Zarrilli Hofstra 6-0 203 4.85
10. Chris Gould Virginia 6-1 204 4.95
11. Connor Barth North Carolina 6-1 192 4.95
12. Sergio Aguayo UNLV 6-1 200 5.00

[Broncojef]

Here's the list of kickers in the draft according to nfldraftcountdown.com

So who's the best? And when should the Broncos draft one?


1. Taylor Mehlhaff Wisconsin 5-11 184 4.95
2. Brandon Coutu Georgia 6-0 200 5.10
3. Steven Hauschka North Carolina St. 6-2 185 5.00
4. Art Carmody Louisville 5-8 165 5.10
5. Shane Longest St. Xavier 5-11 180 4.85
6. Garrett Hartley Oklahoma 5-8 204 4.95
7. Alexis Serna Oregon St. 5-8 170 4.70
8. Jeremy Ito Rutgers 5-11 190 4.95
9. Rob Zarrilli Hofstra 6-0 203 4.85
10. Chris Gould Virginia 6-1 204 4.95
11. Connor Barth North Carolina 6-1 192 4.95
12. Sergio Aguayo UNLV 6-1 200 5.00


I really like the Coutu kid. Maybe we can get by with a late fifth???

[That One Guy]

I understand sentimentality but when the player says "I know I'm old, but pay me like I'm the best" I kinda think the sentimental factor goes out the window. Lynch said screw it, he'd rather play in Denver for less money yet career long Bronco Elam is bailing because he can't get enough for his liking. If it's just a business to him, why should we think about him any different?

He's fallen very far in my book.

[ohiobronco2]

I really like the Coutu kid. Maybe we can get by with a late fifth???

Cosign. Kid has a booming leg.

[TheDave]

Brandon Coutu Height: 6-0 | Weight: 200 | 40-Time: 5.10

Strengths:
Has a very strong leg and he hit from 50+ a number of times with a career long of 58...Has been extremely reliable when it comes to PAT's...Has shown he can make clutch kicks under pressure...Can also be a real weapon on kickoffs...Accurate and makes the ones he's supposed to...Hard worker...Has nice size with a solid frame.

Weaknesses:
Durability might be a concern...Has been a little unpredictable at times...Needs to show a little more consistency on his kickoffs...He didn't kick many game winners.

Notes:
Last name is pronounced "Ca-TOO"...Missed about half of his junior season with a torn hamstring...Never missed a extra point attempt in college...Had a nice senior year..Essentially has all the physical and mental tools you look for in an NFL kicker.

[HEAV]

Rob Bironas was given a second round tender... Maybe a trade could be worked out (not a second).

[crowebomber]

First of all, I don't think we'll spend a fifth on a kicker. We might draft one in the sixth or seventh and then have some undrafted free agents and vets come in and compete for the spot.

Second, for a team with such a terrible special team, it's pretty scary to be looking forward to the next season without a kicker or punter.

[montrose]

I'm interested to know what the offer from Denver is, and what offers he may get from Atlanta, Seattle and KC. How much more money are those other cities willing to offer, and is it a big enough gap for Jason to move on? Practically, its hard to believe Elam's going to get offered anything more than what Josh Brown got, which was just under 3 mil.

[Natedog24]

Here's the list of kickers in the draft according to nfldraftcountdown.com

So who's the best? And when should the Broncos draft one?


1. Taylor Mehlhaff Wisconsin 5-11 184 4.95
2. Brandon Coutu Georgia 6-0 200 5.10
3. Steven Hauschka North Carolina St. 6-2 185 5.00
4. Art Carmody Louisville 5-8 165 5.10
5. Shane Longest St. Xavier 5-11 180 4.85
6. Garrett Hartley Oklahoma 5-8 204 4.95
7. Alexis Serna Oregon St. 5-8 170 4.70
8. Jeremy Ito Rutgers 5-11 190 4.95
9. Rob Zarrilli Hofstra 6-0 203 4.85
10. Chris Gould Virginia 6-1 204 4.95
11. Connor Barth North Carolina 6-1 192 4.95
12. Sergio Aguayo UNLV 6-1 200 5.00

Would be my choice...

[broncofan2438]

Great.... looks like this could be another "rebuilding" year. If i could just get inside the GM's head, what the hell are they thinking?

[Atwater His Ass]

sucks if it turns out to be ture about elam.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Well, lets see, Serna does run the fastest 40. Let's take him so we can run that retarded kicker pitch fake field goal with more success next season.

[Los Broncos]

It wont seem the same without Elam.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Great.... looks like this could be another "rebuilding" year. If i could just get inside the GM's head, what the hell are they thinking?

Elam was a fine kicker and all....BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A KICKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ. How in the world does not resigning a kicker provoke the above comment.

[broncofan2438]

Elam was a fine kicker and all....BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A KICKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ. How in the world does not resigning a kicker provoke the above comment.

Denver will find a way to loose important games by a field goal, and we will have a thread ten pages long that is complaining about how we let Elam go.

[montrose]

Elam was a fine kicker and all....BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A KICKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ. How in the world does not resigning a kicker provoke the above comment.

Probably because more than half of last season's wins came off his right foot and he, arguably even more than Adam Vinaterri, has been the league's most clutch kicker over the past decade. It's an easy thing to say someone is just a kicker, but the fact of the matter is Jason Elam is far more important to winning football games than a majority of the Broncos current roster.

[Meck77]

Yeah it's not like games are ever decided with a clutch kick.

[Atwater His Ass]

Elam was a fine kicker and all....BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A KICKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ. How in the world does not resigning a kicker provoke the above comment.

Sorry if some of us feel some regret about potentialy losing a kicker that has played as a top tier NFL kicker for us for the past 15 seasons.

There are some posters here that don't even remember a David Treadwell or Rich Karlis.

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

$3 million structured correctly is about 1/50th of the cap. Wtf are folk talking about that the leading scorer is not worth 1/50th of the cap? I am not going to manage the team's money and niether is anyone else here.

[Sodak]

I was hoping we'd take Mason Crosby last year. When did he go? In the 5th?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Sorry if some of us feel some regret about potentialy losing a kicker that has played as a top tier NFL kicker for us for the past 15 seasons.

There are some posters here that don't even remember a David Treadwell or Rich Karlis.

I didnt say he wouldnt be missed, i was claiming that this isn't a sign of rebuilding

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Probably because more than half of last season's wins came off his right foot and he, arguably even more than Adam Vinaterri, has been the league's most clutch kicker over the past decade. It's an easy thing to say someone is just a kicker, but the fact of the matter is Jason Elam is far more important to winning football games than a majority of the Broncos current roster.


Again, you didnt read what i was referring to. I didnt claim he wasnt important, i said losing him is not a sign of rebuilding

[tsiguy96]

this is a very deep class if kickers...im not TOO upset.

[SureShot]

I was hoping we'd take Mason Crosby last year. When did he go? In the 5th?


I was told Jason was good for atleast another 4 years. We didn't need to think about replacing him. Whoops.

Crosby would have been a great fit here. And he can actually kick off.

[montrose]

Again, you didnt read what i was referring to. I didnt claim he wasnt important, i said losing him is not a sign of rebuilding

I most certainly think losing Elam is a sign of rebuilding. If the Broncos were going into 2008 with Super Bowl aspirations, they certainly wouldn't be willing to let their clutch kicker go and take a chance with someone new over the petty matter of 2 million dollars.

[maher_tyler]

It wont seem the same without Elam.

It will be wierd watching someone else kick field goals for us if this is the case...he might not be the best kicker but he always came through in the clutch!!

[Dr. Broncenstein]

Well, lets see, Serna does run the fastest 40. Let's take him so we can run that retarded kicker pitch fake field goal with more success next season.

:rofl: Retarded kicker pitch fake field goal FOR THE WIN!!!

I was at that Seattle game... freezing my bits off. There was a giant, collective "WTF" from the entire section that I was sitting in. It was so cold I pulled a hammy just going for a beer. Watching father time take the end around in the freezing cold was all kinds of funny.

[TheChamp24]

Brandon Coutu Height: 6-0 | Weight: 200 | 40-Time: 5.10

Strengths:
Has a very strong leg and he hit from 50+ a number of times with a career long of 58...Has been extremely reliable when it comes to PAT's...Has shown he can make clutch kicks under pressure...Can also be a real weapon on kickoffs...Accurate and makes the ones he's supposed to...Hard worker...Has nice size with a solid frame.

Weaknesses:
Durability might be a concern...Has been a little unpredictable at times...Needs to show a little more consistency on his kickoffs...He didn't kick many game winners.

Notes:
Last name is pronounced "Ca-TOO"...Missed about half of his junior season with a torn hamstring...Never missed a extra point attempt in college...Had a nice senior year..Essentially has all the physical and mental tools you look for in an NFL kicker.

Wait, so his strength is "Has shown he can make clutch kicks under pressure", but a weakness is "He didn't kick many game winners", sounds contradictory there. As well as this: "Can also be a real weapon on kickoffs" as a strength, but "Needs to show a little more consistency on his kickoffs" as a weakness.
Who the heck writes these things?

[telluride]

Who the hell do we plan to replace him with?

Well, a decent front office would have noticed last year where this situation was heading, and they would have drafted Crosby.

But then, we don't have a decent front office, obviously.

[Blueflame]

Well, a decent front office would have noticed last year where this situation was heading, and they would have drafted Crosby.

But then, we don't have a decent front office, obviously.

Yeah, it's clearly Shanahan's fault that Elam wants top dollar... ::)

Jason's been a solid, reliable kicker for a long time and I hate to see him leave the team. And I'm grateful for every clutch kick he's ever made for the Broncos. However, I can also understand it if team brass is reluctant to make him (at his age) the highest-paid kicker in the league. If he thinks he has that kind of value to another franchise, then I also don't begrudge him the opportunity to test the free-agency waters. I would be very sad to see him leave, though.

[CBF1]

Just get a kicker that can make some FG's and get a kickoff in the endzone and I will be a happy camper.

[wolf754life]

never shannahans fault, at least he was prepared for this!

[24champ]

Here's the list of kickers in the draft according to nfldraftcountdown.com

So who's the best? And when should the Broncos draft one?


1. Taylor Mehlhaff Wisconsin 5-11 184 4.95
2. Brandon Coutu Georgia 6-0 200 5.10
3. Steven Hauschka North Carolina St. 6-2 185 5.00
4. Art Carmody Louisville 5-8 165 5.10
5. Shane Longest St. Xavier 5-11 180 4.85
6. Garrett Hartley Oklahoma 5-8 204 4.95
7. Alexis Serna Oregon St. 5-8 170 4.70
8. Jeremy Ito Rutgers 5-11 190 4.95
9. Rob Zarrilli Hofstra 6-0 203 4.85
10. Chris Gould Virginia 6-1 204 4.95
11. Connor Barth North Carolina 6-1 192 4.95
12. Sergio Aguayo UNLV 6-1 200 5.00

Him and Beau Bell please.:approve:

[Blueflame]

never shannahans fault, at least he was prepared for this!

In the era of free agency, it's rather remarkable that Jason's spent that many years with a single NFL franchise. You can't say the Broncos haven't worked with him (paid him and quite well) over the years. Did the Pats miss Adam Vinatieri when he left via free agency? Seems to me that they managed to replace him pretty adequately and a lot more affordably. Again, while I appreciate all Jason's done for the team, he is not the only guy who is capable of kicking a football through the uprights... he's an above-average kicker, but he's not irreplaceable. The day when his replacement would need to be signed was coming inevitably anyway... while we all might wish it would come later rather than sooner, it's ludicrous for any player to make outrageous salary demands once age has taken an obvious effect on his performance.

[footstepsfrom#27]

Letting Elam go would be a boneheaded move...guess it's a sure thing then.

[Eli_Cash]

Elam's been quality for a long stretch, Respect.

Not gonna be easily replaced.

That be being said, I'd love to see a kickoff land in the endzone.

How much does that cost?

[yerner]

Did the guy from Seattle sign?

I mean no one can blame Elam for wanting to get one last big contract. And I don't blame the Broncos for wanting someone with the bigger leg.

I think it will be fun looking for a new kicker. Change can be good.

Also, stop the rebuilding talk. It hasn't occured to Shanny once, I can assure you. The freaking Giants won the SuperBowl ! The ****ty ass Giant's! That means as long as Cutlers healthy anything can happen.

[Jetmeck]

I understand sentimentality but when the player says "I know I'm old, but pay me like I'm the best" I kinda think the sentimental factor goes out the window. Lynch said screw it, he'd rather play in Denver for less money yet career long Bronco Elam is bailing because he can't get enough for his liking. If it's just a business to him, why should we think about him any different?

He's fallen very far in my book.

Ye Elam is not what he used to be but still top 10%. But
that said he has made a butt load of cash from Denver and they have treated him well. In the twilight of his career he should keep that in mind.

[MechanicalBull]

Isn't Old Man River aka Morten Anderson available? Ha!

[Broncoman13]

Great.... looks like this could be another "rebuilding" year. If i could just get inside the GM's head, what the hell are they thinking?



So if we sign Elam to a $3m/yr contract we're not a team in rebuilding?


Ha! ROFL

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

this is a very deep class if kickers...im not TOO upset.

How'd that work out for the squaws last year????

[vancejohnson82]

we need a speed-demon kicker back there so we can run that bull$hit fake field goal without Elam going down with a hammy injury

pick up a guy with a 30 yard leg but a Clydesdale mentality

[alkemical]

I would think in some ways.... Singing Elam would be more important until we can actually get the red-zone offense working.

[Beantown Bronco]

$3 million structured correctly is about 1/50th of the cap. Wtf are folk talking about that the leading scorer is not worth 1/50th of the cap? I am not going to manage the team's money and niether is anyone else here.

The problem with that logic is this:

90% of the kickers in the league are their team's leading scorers every year.....even if they aren't that great. You wanna give them all $3 million+?

Unlike other positions in the league, there just isn't THAT big a difference between the #1 and #15 kickers in the league to justify a big difference in pay.

[Beantown Bronco]

Ye Elam is not what he used to be but still top 10%.

Top 10% money is fine. The $3 million a year that is being kicked around here would be Top 1% money (for a guy that doesn't even do half of what is in an NFL kicker's job description).

[Dendave]

The Boss is Away? The Green Bay Packers have made initial contact with Detroit Lions free-agent linebacker Boss Bailey, but they don't have a visit scheduled and aren't in a big hurry to address their linebacker position.
Agent Jack Reale said Sunday that there was contact made between the two sides, but he wouldn't characterize the degree of interest the Packers had at this point. Bailey joins St. Louis' Brandon Chillar as linebackers the club has expressed interest in since free agency began Thursday night.
Bailey, the younger brother of all-pro cornerback Champ Bailey, started 12 games at strong-side linebacker for the Lions and totaled 74 tackles. Bailey ran the fastest 40-yard dash time of any linebacker at the 2003 combine (4.58 seconds) and still can run.
But he has had chronic knee problems, including season-ending surgery in 2004, and hasn't been the player the Lions hoped he would be when they selected him in the second round.
Bailey is expected to visit the Denver Broncos this week before considering a visit with Green Bay.

[bronco_diesel]

i like elam a lot, but when you have so many pressing needs on a team, i don't think you tie too much money into your kicker.

also with elam, you either need a punter who can also do kick-off's or sign another kicker simply for kick-offs. the ST have been pretty bad - even worse on the road where the air is thicker. we need a kicker that can put the ball in the endzone regardless of location.

i think you go get a young leg and save money.

[Beej]

Mike Vanderjagt is looking for a job.

[socalorado]

This guy can boot the hell out of the ball!

Alex Serna, Oregon State
Height: 5-8. Weight: 170.
Projected Round: 5-6.
Nailed 22-of-29 field goals in 2006, making 4-of-6 from beyond 50 yards with a long of 58.

[Inkana7]

This'll be a rough year, that's for sure. But we're slowly getting the pieces together.

[bowtown]

There are some posters here that don't even remember a David Treadwell or Rich Karlis.

Lucky bastards.

[dbfan4life]

Mike Vanderjagt is looking for a job.

Dude's an idiot, but an accurate idiot!

[Traveler]

Dude's an idiot, but an accurate idiot!

I think a few folks in Dallas would beg to differ. J/K. He might be worth a look. Does he also perform kickoffs?

[NFLBRONCO]

Its easy to say let Elam go now but, when our new kicker misses alot and loses games is when you'll think much differently.

[Beantown Bronco]

Its easy to say let Elam go now but, when our new kicker misses alot and loses games is when you'll think much differently.

There were at least 10 other kickers in the league that were basically as accurate or more accurate as Elam was this past season, and they also kicked off. It's not like he was perfect or something. And the incredible game winners he had last season were hardly kicks that 75% of the kickers in the league would miss. They were from average distance.

For anyone who wants to p*ss and moan every time the potential new kicker misses a field goal, how about they come back and apologize or at least eat some crow after every touchback on a kickoff that the kicker forces? Deal? We all know that starting field position has been a real killer for this team over the last few seasons and it could easily be argued that touchbacks are needed far more than 1 or 2 potential percentage points in accuracy from our kicker (if that is indeed the trade-off, which is hardly a given).

[BroncoDoug]

Why are they posting the 40 times of kickers? That is a joke....

[Dendave]

Why are they posting the 40 times of kickers? That is a joke....

So they'll know if he can run on the field fast enoungh when there is 18 seconds left in a game...

[Inkana7]

There were at least 10 other kickers in the league that were basically as accurate or more accurate as Elam was this past season, and they also kicked off. It's not like he was perfect or something. And the incredible game winners he had last season were hardly kicks that 75% of the kickers in the league would miss. They were from average distance.

For anyone who wants to p*ss and moan every time the potential new kicker misses a field goal, how about they come back and apologize or at least eat some crow after every touchback on a kickoff that the kicker forces? Deal? We all know that starting field position has been a real killer for this team over the last few seasons and it could easily be argued that touchbacks are needed far more than 1 or 2 potential percentage points in accuracy from our kicker (if that is indeed the trade-off, which is hardly a given).

I wasn't aware of the rule change that made touchbacks worth 3 points. Interesting.

Link?

[Atlas]

Elam was a fine kicker and all....BUT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A KICKER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus Christ. How in the world does not resigning a kicker provoke the above comment.

How many games do bad kickers lose every year? A lot. A great K is one of the most underrated players on a team. It's all about handling pressure situations and Elam was on of the best at that.

[Kaylore]

I think a few folks in Dallas would beg to differ. J/K. He might be worth a look. Does he also perform kickoffs?

He sucks kicking in domes. And he might be the worst kicker in clutch situations that you could have. He blows kicks kicking in a controlled environment.

PASS

[Bronco Billy]

I wasn't aware of the rule change that made touchbacks worth 3 points. Interesting.

Link?

Sometimes touchbacks can be worth 6 points. Here's your link:

http://www.kickittodevinhester.com/

[Bronco Billy]

He sucks kicking in domes. And he might be the worst kicker in clutch situations that you could have. He blows kicks kicking in a controlled environment.

PASS

He definitely hasn't been the same since missing the GW FG for Indy against Pitts. in the divisional playoffs.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

This is amusing:

http://kan.scout.com/2/734331.html

Kicker Jason Elam (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=2983616) - NFL.com reported that Elam was going to take his show on the road in the next couple of weeks. One of the teams reportedly on his list is the Kansas City Chiefs, but per our source in the organization, it appears KC’s only gameplan might be to get Denver to overspend to retain Elam. These two teams have entered into these types of shenanigans before. When Brian Griese (http://kan.scout.com/a.z?s=115&p=8&c=1&nid=3630241) was a free agent a few years ago, a report out of Kansas City indicated the Chiefs would offer him a large contract. Denver took notice and gave him $40 million.

[That One Guy]

He sucks kicking in domes. And he might be the worst kicker in clutch situations that you could have. He blows kicks kicking in a controlled environment.

PASS

That's nonsense. Yes he sucks in clutch situations but he was the most accurate kicker in history while kicking for Indy who plays... you got it, in a dome!

He sucks but it's not because he sucks in domes. He fell apart when he got the chance to beat Pitt and created the term "Vanderjacked"

[minibronco]

I really like the Coutu kid. Maybe we can get by with a late fifth???

Coutu has a freakin beast of a leg. Saw him kicking on ESPN's skills challenge and was hitting 60 yarders with wind going left

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

Coutu has a freakin beast of a leg. Saw him kicking on ESPN's skills challenge and was hitting 60 yarders with wind going left

And a year ago, the UCLA kicker hit every FG in that competition. Lucky the squaws bet their kicking job on that BS competition.

[Hogan11]

That's nonsense. Yes he sucks in clutch situations but he was the most accurate kicker in history while kicking for Indy who plays... you got it, in a dome!

He sucks but it's not because he sucks in domes. He fell apart when he got the chance to beat Pitt and created the term "Vanderjacked"

He blew one kick that mattered...he's the Norwood of the 00's

Still, it's surprising to me that those here who want every jerk on the market available to be on the team (you know, because of their "swagger") aren't crying for this creep. What's this fool doing nowadays anyways? Is he in the AFL foosball league, selling shoes somewhere or what?

[Kaylore]

That's nonsense. Yes he sucks in clutch situations but he was the most accurate kicker in history while kicking for Indy who plays... you got it, in a dome!

He sucks but it's not because he sucks in domes. He fell apart when he got the chance to beat Pitt and created the term "Vanderjacked"

I think you missed my point. Kicking with no wind, in even lighting, at room temperature with an even surface half the time, then you better have good accuracy. His accuracy is result of where he played more than his ability. He sucks.

[Killericon]

I think you missed my point. Kicking with no wind, in even lighting, at room temperature with an even surface half the time, then you better have good accuracy. His accuracy is result of where he played more than his ability. He sucks.

Sucks might be a bit of a reach. I think that if had played in a place like Denver for most of his career, he'd be at least AVERAGE.

[Dedhed]

Elam's cost us as many games as he's won for us in the last 3 years.

[Hogan11]

Elam's cost us as many games as he's won for us in the last 3 years.

blasphemer

[fontaine]

Piss off Elam.

[TheReverend]

Elam's cost us as many games as he's won for us in the last 3 years.

So did every other ****ing player and coach on the team.

[kmonty]

Very few things make me more nauseated than the thought of Elam in a Chiefs jersey.

The Broncos are better with Elam than without, for certain. If his alleged contract demands of $3 mil/year are true (and I'm guessing they're stretched a bit), then it's time to part ways. If he can be signed for closer to 1.5-2, then the Broncos need to lock him up for 4 years.

So it all depends on Elam's mentality - is he trying to cash in, or does he want to stay a Bronco? Sadly, I'm guessing he's leaning toward the former...

[defenseman]

We all knew J. Elam was not going to be around forever, and the end was just right around the corner. Considering the financial position the broncos presently are in, and Elam's need for more money than the broncos can afford to give him at this point, it appears to me it's a "business" transaction from both sides of the table. Ergo, it's time for him to go now, move on. If he's not willing to budge, see ya later Jason, have a nice life...dman

[DrFate]

Elam won at least three games in 07 at the gun.

[bowtown]

Elam's cost us as many games as he's won for us in the last 3 years.

I have spaceship that I fly to the moon on every night before I go to sleep. See, I can make crazy unsubstantiated statements too!

[Atwater His Ass]

I have spaceship that I fly to the moon on every night before I go to sleep. See, I can make crazy unsubstantiated statements too!

:thumbsup:

[DrFate]

Sorry if some of us feel some regret about potentialy losing a kicker that has played as a top tier NFL kicker for us for the past 15 seasons.

There are some posters here that don't even remember a David Treadwell or Rich Karlis.

I remember - people ignore players like kickers and holders and long snappers - until we blow a game because of their failings.

[Crushaholic]

Elam needs to stay a Bronco for the rest of his career. However, I don't want Denver to overpay for him when we have so many other needs. As far as Boss goes, I think people want him because his last name is Bailey. He really hasn't had what I would call a good career up to this point...