View Full Version : Would you give the pick back to Oakland in return for Gerard Warren?
BroncoBuff
03-02-2008, 01:25 PM
Just curious ....
CHANGSTER
03-02-2008, 01:32 PM
I'm not so sure it Was a 6th round pick.
Florida_Bronco
03-02-2008, 01:34 PM
Yes.
No, and it was a 5th. We don't have any 6th round picks.
You ask me the time of the "Browncos" had passed. Better for us to make a clean sweep break and transition out of that. We only gave up a late 4th, Ruben Droughns, and some league average salaries for the lot of them, the fact that we've now cashed in Warren for an early 5th makes me quite happy. Thats better appreciation on investment than any car you'll ever buy.
Warren isn't a 100% effort guy, he's a contract year effort guy. When he knows his money is being threatened he steps up, but when the pay is secured he relaxes again. It probably isn't even intentional, Trevor Pryce played much the same way and I don't think it was intentional on his part. But the fact remains that those guys typically don't age real well and they can't be relied on to build your defense around. Those are the kinds of guys we need to start getting, guys who give 100% regardless of if they're in a contract year or just coming off a big fat extension.
Broncojef
03-02-2008, 01:46 PM
The Broncos this next year need at least one wide body with experience up front. It still burns me our Defensive mastermind last year let Warren go because he didn't fit our style, then changed our style a few weeks after letting the one guy with talent upfront go. Gerrard Warren is a microchosm of the no clue philosophy we have had over the last few years on defense. Yes I would take Warren back in a heartbeat and if my defensive coordinator said he couldn't use him I'd fire him on the spot. I know some of you are hoping for the next Jeremy Lesuer, Jeff Shoate, Triandos Luke, or Ben Claxton with that 5th round pick but I'd rather have a Warren in hand at this point.
fontaine
03-02-2008, 01:49 PM
How many fifth round DTs in the past ten years have gone on become average to good DTs for 4/5 years?
A handful if any. And let's not kid ourselves, any DT that has real talent but slips down the 2nd day is because of either work ethic, character, laziness or other issues so hell yes I would make the trade for Warren especially at his relatively low salary.
BroncoBuff
03-02-2008, 01:59 PM
No, and it was a 5th. We don't have any 6th round picks.
Sorry ::)
Either way...
Warren isn't a 100% effort guy, he's a contract year effort guy. When he knows his money is being threatened he steps up, but when the pay is secured he relaxes again. It probably isn't even intentional, Trevor Pryce played much the same way and I don't think it was intentional on his part.
Interesting you opine that contract year/post contract performance roller-coasters might be subconscious and not intentional. Interesting.
Either way, Warren freely renegotiated his contract after missing much of '06 with an injury (unlike Javon in identical circumstances). Plus - he was 100% classy on his way out the door, 100% class. Although it must've been embarassing to be told "you're not getting it" by Bates - while Warren was undoubtedly enjoying "Big Man" status in front of three fellow Gator D-Line rookies (Harris, Jarvis, MT). Being surprised at being told he was not coming to SF for that pre-season game must've been a real pisser ... he could've lashed out, but he didn't. Gotta give him props for that.
I'm still so upset by Jim Bates' Amon Gordon/Sam Adams nonsense, I think we should look into re-signing Michael Myers, too. Warren and Myers were our starters when we went to the AFC Championship, remember? And Bates cut both to insert Amon Gordon and Sam Adams?! WTF??
Inkana7
03-02-2008, 02:06 PM
You crazy BB? Myers isn't any better than the guys we have out there right now. At least McKinley got penetration once and a while.
BroncoBuff
03-02-2008, 02:19 PM
You crazy BB? Myers isn't any better than the guys we have out there right now. At least McKinley got penetration once and a while.
I'm just sayin' ... after the Bates DT philosophy debacle, we might want to re-think the starters we had when we hosted the Championship game.
Interesting you opine that contract year/post contract performance roller-coasters might be subconscious and not intentional. Interesting.
Either way, Warren freely renegotiated his contract after missing much of '06 with an injury (unlike Javon in identical circumstances). Plus - he was 100% classy on his way out the door, 100% class. Although it must've been embarassing to be told "you're not getting it" by Bates - while Warren was undoubtedly enjoying "Big Man" status in front of three fellow Gator D-Line rookies (Harris, Jarvis, MT). Being surprised at being told he was not coming to SF for that pre-season game must've been a real pisser ... he could've lashed out, but he didn't. Gotta give him props for that.
I'm still so upset by Jim Bates' Amon Gordon/Sam Adams nonsense, I think we should look into re-signing Michael Myers, too. Warren and Myers were our starters when we went to the AFC Championship, remember? And Bates cut both to insert Amon Gordon and Sam Adams?! WTF??
Meyers isn't starting quality, he never really was, I don't miss him one bit.
And I can see what you're saying about Warren, but we were shooting for a different type of system that he didn't fit in with, both in terms of what skills he needed and the style he wanted to play.
I know Warren was all class on his way out of town, and I respect that. But that doesn't mean he wasn't something of a dissenting voice before leaving. He'd made it pretty well known that he didn't like being a space eater and that is basically what Bates wanted him to do.
Your question should strike to the heart of the matter though, not just seller's remorse on Warren but if in fact the entire Jim Bates episode was an outright mistake. I don't think a person on this board would disagree with you on that, despite its potential for success. But how much did that set us back? We did lose Warren, and we burnt multiple draft picks to make sure and get only a handful of guys presumably needed for his system. Slowik is now left holding the bag and is pretty inarguably worse off than we were last year. Can we right that wrong in a season or will it take multiple years to recoup from that one bad personnel decision that precipitated so much turnover?
Merlin
03-02-2008, 03:54 PM
No, I would rather they get a real DT; i.e. Robertson. Last thing we need is a perpertuation of bandaids. Use the 5th for a WR, this yrs class is pretty good.
oubronco
03-02-2008, 05:27 PM
we shall see who they get with that pick
Broncoman13
03-02-2008, 05:35 PM
I'd take GMoney back in a heartbeat. I'm still hoping the Faid cut him and we bring him back!
Also, the guy I miss the most around here is Larry Coyer. Suffice to say, all of US (myself included) were wrong about Coyer. He got more out of nothing than anybody else.
I guess I can now safely say we should bring Elam back. We'll be in the same boat I guess. A year or two from now we'll be wishing we had him back.
Dedhed
03-02-2008, 06:06 PM
How many fifth round DTs in the past ten years have gone on become average to good DTs for 4/5 years?
A handful if any. And let's not kid ourselves, any DT that has real talent but slips down the 2nd day is because of either work ethic, character, laziness or other issues so hell yes I would make the trade for Warren especially at his relatively low salary.
Why would you limit the pick we got to a DT? Are we only allowed to take a DT with that pick because we traded a DT to get it? The ? should be "how many 5th rounders in the past ten years have gone on to be good or better players for 4-5 years."
The answer: More than a handful.
Hell ya I would.
But hindsight is always 20/20.
24champ
03-02-2008, 06:24 PM
No. In training camp he didn't WANT to practice. He skipped drills that EVERY D-lineman was doing. He didn't listen to coaches and was a total a-hole. Fug him and hope he stays in that hell hole in Oakland. He's a waste of Space.
SoCalBronco
03-02-2008, 06:26 PM
No. In training camp he didn't WANT to practice. He skipped drills that EVERY D-lineman was doing. He didn't listen to coaches and was a total a-hole. Fug him and hope he stays in that hell hole in Oakland. He's a waste of Space.
24 hates Gerard Warren (e5).
CHANGSTER
03-02-2008, 06:26 PM
I'd even give em a 5th! Har har, I would though.
24champ
03-02-2008, 06:32 PM
24 hates Gerard Warren (e5).
Well...I don't know about hate. Dislike is more of the word to describe my feelings about it.
I just don't want a guy that loafs around and collects a paycheck for it. The coaches and FO know it, thats why he is gone and ISN'T coming back.
Broncojef
03-02-2008, 06:39 PM
24 hates Gerard Warren (e5).
Well I wonder if he appreciated all the talent playing in front of him after he was gone. Champ got exactly what he wanted I guess.
fontaine
03-03-2008, 05:22 AM
Why would you limit the pick we got to a DT? Are we only allowed to take a DT with that pick because we traded a DT to get it? The ? should be "how many 5th rounders in the past ten years have gone on to be good or better players for 4-5 years."
The answer: More than a handful.
I was just illustrating the point that our biggest need is at DT and if we can get a reasonable starter like Warren by giving up just a 5th then it's a no brainer. Duh.
Killericon
03-03-2008, 05:35 AM
With this latest nonsense coming up about Thomas, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
BroncoBuff
03-04-2008, 06:20 PM
Kris Jenkins? ... GONE.
Corey Williams? ... GONE.
Shaun Rogers? ... GONE.
Marcus Stroud? ... GONE.
Tommie Kelly? ... OVERPAID
Dewayne Robertson? ... DAMAGED GOODS.
Marcus Thomas? ... BUSTED!
Anybody who voted "NO" on this poll ... that Gerard Warren is not even worth a 6th-round pick - should really re-think that vote. Heck, MICHAEL MYERS would look pretty good on this freaking roster. :nono:
BroncoBuff
03-04-2008, 06:22 PM
Warren was a total a-hole.
Now where exactly did you get that? ???
Orange_Beard
03-04-2008, 07:21 PM
Move on. Something must have gone down between he and the Mastermind.
BroncoBuff
03-04-2008, 07:47 PM
I just don't want a guy that loafs around and collects a paycheck for it. The coaches and FO know it, thats why he is gone and ISN'T coming back.
He didn't look like he was loafing when he bullrushed Nalen and Myers, and dropped Cutler for a safety ???
The truth is that none of us really knows how much of his '06 dropoff was the toe - and how much was the big fat contract. It'd be nice to really know the truth of that, though ...
Jens1893
03-04-2008, 07:55 PM
Why canīt people just let the past be the past?
BroncoBuff
03-04-2008, 08:00 PM
I can, Jens. But this thread actually started as a serious suggestion we offer to return the Fader pick if they return Warren - a serious suggestion. And a deal I would definitely make his very minute.
Dedhed
03-04-2008, 08:15 PM
I was just illustrating the point that our biggest need is at DT and if we can get a reasonable starter like Warren by giving up just a 5th then it's a no brainer. Duh.
A lot of things in the fantasy world are no brainers.
tonngo0
03-04-2008, 08:22 PM
Warren, when motivates play really well. Like his contract up for renewal or when he plays against his old team. Other than the Broncos game, I don't believe Warren did anything spectecular.
ncjmirabile
03-04-2008, 09:41 PM
Sorry ::)
Either way...
Interesting you opine that contract year/post contract performance roller-coasters might be subconscious and not intentional. Interesting.
Either way, Warren freely renegotiated his contract after missing much of '06 with an injury (unlike Javon in identical circumstances). Plus - he was 100% classy on his way out the door, 100% class. Although it must've been embarassing to be told "you're not getting it" by Bates - while Warren was undoubtedly enjoying "Big Man" status in front of three fellow Gator D-Line rookies (Harris, Jarvis, MT). Being surprised at being told he was not coming to SF for that pre-season game must've been a real pisser ... he could've lashed out, but he didn't. Gotta give him props for that.
I'm still so upset by Jim Bates' Amon Gordon/Sam Adams nonsense, I think we should look into re-signing Michael Myers, too. Warren and Myers were our starters when we went to the AFC Championship, remember? And Bates cut both to insert Amon Gordon and Sam Adams?! WTF??
Myers wasn't cut by Bates. He was a FA and signed with the Bengals.
BroncoBuff
03-05-2008, 01:32 AM
Myers wasn't cut by Bates. He was a FA and signed with the Bengals.
Half right ... he was a FA who wasn't re-signed because Bates didn't like him for his "system."
He liked Amon Gordon better ... Uhh
24champ
03-05-2008, 01:47 AM
He didn't look like he was loafing when he bullrushed Nalen and Myers, and dropped Cutler for a safety ???
He was loafing around and skipping drills in training camp. Obviously he didn't want to be in Bates scheme and sat out some drills.
The truth is that none of us really knows how much of his '06 dropoff was the toe - and how much was the big fat contract. It'd be nice to really know the truth of that, though ...
I would lean toward the latter, the Broncos felt they weren't getting their money worth obviously and shipped his ass out.
bfoflcommish
03-05-2008, 10:41 AM
He was loafing around and skipping drills in training camp. Obviously he didn't want to be in Bates scheme and sat out some drills.
I would lean toward the latter, the Broncos felt they weren't getting their money worth obviously and shipped his ass out.
hey 24...good attempt at a sig..but remind me how that final score looked like????