Stroud?

[Killericon]

I heard the Bills are taking a look at him, but not much else. Would anyone else here be for bringing the guy in? Is he too damaged? Does anyone know what the asking price is?

Am I way off the mark here?

[silverwing]

Doesn't he take steroids? :thumbs:

[Killericon]

Doesn't he take steroids? :thumbs:

Got it...I'm waaay off the mark.

[DB_champ24]

Doesn't he take steroids? :thumbs:

Honestly though the question should be which big beast in the NFL doesnt or hasnt taken steriods?

[Bronco X]

The NFL never disclosed the substance he tested positive for. But he tested positive for something and was suspended. There are other banned substances besides steroids.

He's coming off a major ankle injury as well.

[silverwing]

Got it...I'm waaay off the mark.

No, you're not.

There's still a possibility that the Broncos might check him out. I would be pretty satisfied if we got him. He was a big part of the Jags defense, loved that D-line!

But about the steroids, he claims he took an over-the-counter substance and read over the ingredients with his NFL banned substances manual, and didn't find anything wrong and took them to heal up for some kind of injury he had.

Wouldn't be surprised if the Bills snag him tomorrow or so.

[Broncoman13]

He'll make way too much money. He's damaged, close to a year suspension, and will still demand a very high contract. We're much better off addressing the need through the draft and realizing as fans that 2008 isn't going to be very fun on defense again.

[Killericon]

He'll make way too much money. He's damaged, close to a year suspension, and will still demand a very high contract. We're much better off addressing the need through the draft and realizing as fans that 2008 isn't going to be very fun on defense again.

Argh!

So, what? We'll take an OT in round 1, and a Linebacker in round 2, or vice versa, and "address" the need later?

Screw that. We've needed a Defensive Tackle more than we need any other position on the roster for AT LEAST the past 3 years. The need has been neglected, and when Wilson left, it finally reared it's ugly head in full force. We're left with a kid with loads of "Potential" and a group of scrubs who would have problems making other teams' practice squads. If we can't trade up into position to get Dorsey or Ellis, then we NEED to take a gamble to fix this. NOW. If we can find a stop-gap solution at DT, then why wouldn't we take the opportunity to acquire it? Fine. Stroud is too much of a risk. Let's get DeWayne Robertson, or Booger McFarland, or Ellis, or Dorsey, or SOMEONE!!

I laugh at the notion that addressing needs through the draft is somehow the safer route. What's our success rate on 2nd round picks, again? Where are George Foster and Ashley Lelie now?

Why is it that this board seems to subscribe to the thought that "Building through the draft" and trading/signing veterans are mutually exclusive?? Yes. We've been burned on some of our recent acquisitions, but that doesn't mean that signing/trading for players is somehow a flawed method. The New England Patriots didn't build their dynasty through the draft alone. They made smart choices in BOTH avenues. We got Champ Bailey via a trade. We signed John Lynch.

The key is simply making smart choices. Yes, in hindsight, the trade for Javon Walker was a bad one. That doesn't mean that the concept of the trade is what screwed us over! It was Javon Walker that screwed us, not our trading for him!

I do not now, nor will I ever submit to this "We need to rebuild, suck for a few years, then come back" bull****. How is it that we managed to be a successful team since the time Elway retired every year except two? BY BEING THE GODDAMNED DENVER BRONCOS! THE BRONCOS THAT SIGNED JAKE PLUMMER! THE BRONCOS WHO TRADED CLINTON PORTIS, A RISING SUPERSTAR FOR CHAMP BAILEY! When things started to look down, we DID NOT sit on our asses and say "Let's stockpile draft picks until enough of them turn out that we can be good again". WE WHEELED AND DEALT, TOOK GAMBLES AND REAPED THE BENEFITS! People talk about Simeon Rice as an example of a player who was a huge injury risk who didn't pan out as if it somehow damaged our long-term fortunes. What about Brandon Stokely? Same year, even bigger injury risk, and he turned out to be one of our best players this past year!!

IN SUMMARY, IF SOMEONE PROPOSES A STUPID TRADE/SIGNING, SAY THAT THE TRADE/SIGNING IS STUPID, NOT THAT THE IDEA OF TRADING/SIGNING IS STUPID! The key to being a successful franchise isn't simply using all the draft picks you can. It's about making smart choices in the Draft, the trade market AND Free Agency.

I'm sorry Oskie. I'm not getting mad at you, I'm just getting mad at this paranoid atmosphere that's suffocating this board. In a more specific response, I think that after Ellis and Dorsey, the overall upside of this year's DT class is too low to not pursue other options...And I've always been a stickler about the Defensive Tackle spot.

[Orange_Beard]

He'll make way too much money. He's damaged, close to a year suspension, and will still demand a very high contract. We're much better off addressing the need through the draft and realizing as fans that 2008 isn't going to be very fun on defense again.

Why would a suspension threat bug any Bronco fan? Shanny knows how to beat those...

[Bob]

He'll make way too much money. He's damaged, close to a year suspension, and will still demand a very high contract. We're much better off addressing the need through the draft and realizing as fans that 2008 isn't going to be very fun on defense again.

Dude, the fact is we are going to get Boss, who may only be a small step up over Gold, and we need one DT -- to get a player with even "potential" we are going to have to pay more this year. We cant fill all the holes this off-season, but if we try to only in the draft we are going to be sitting at an 8/8 season again.

[Bob]

Argh!

So, what? We'll take a OT in round 1, and a Linebacker in round 2, or vice versa, and "address" the need later?

Screw that. We've needed a Defensive Tackle more than we need any other position on the roster for AT LEAST the past 3 years. The need has been neglected, and when Wilson left, it finally reared it's ugly head in full force. We're left with a kid with loads of "Potential" and a group of scrubs who would have problems making other teams' practice squads. If we can't trade up into position to get Dorsey or Ellis, then we NEED to take a gamble to fix this. NOW. If we can find a stop-gap solution at DT, then why wouldn't we take the opportunity to acquire it? Fine. Stroud is too much of a risk. Let's get DeWayne Robertson, or Booger McFarland, or Ellis, or Dorsey, or SOMEONE!!

I laugh at the notion that addressing needs through the draft is somehow the safer route. What's our success rate on 2nd round picks, again? Where are George Foster and Ashley Lelie now?

Why is it that this board seems to subscribe to the thought that "Building through the draft" and trading/signing veterans are mutually exclusive?? Yes. We've been burned on some of our recent acquisitions, but that doesn't mean that signing/trading for players is somehow a flawed method. The New England Patriots didn't build their dynasty through the draft alone. They made smart choices in BOTH avenues. We got Champ Bailey via a trade. We signed John Lynch.

The key is simply making smart choices. Yes, in hindsight, the trade for Javon Walker was a bad one. That doesn't mean that the concept of the trade is what screwed us over! It was Javon Walker that screwed us, not our trading for him!

I do not now, nor will I ever submit to this "We need to rebuild, suck for a few years, then come back" bull****. How is it that we managed to be a successful team since the time Elway retired every year except two? BY BEING THE GODDAMNED DENVER BRONCOS! THE BRONCOS THAT SIGNED JAKE PLUMMER! THE BRONCOS WHO TRADED CLINTON PORTIS, A RISING SUPERSTAR FOR CHAMP BAILEY! When things started to look down, we DID NOT sit on our asses and say "Let's stockpile draft picks until enough of them turn out that we can be good again". WE WHEELED AND DEALT, TOOK GAMBLES AND REAPED THE BENEFITS! People talk about Simeon Rice as an example of a player who was a huge injury risk who didn't pan out as if it somehow damaged our long-term fortunes. What about Brandon Stokely? Same year, even bigger injury risk, and he turned out to be one of our best players this past year!!

IN SUMMARY, IF SOMEONE PROPOSES A STUPID TRADE/SIGNING, SAY THAT THE TRADE/SIGNING IS STUPID, NOT THAT THE IDEA OF TRADING/SIGNING IS STUPID! The key to being a successful franchise isn't simply using all the draft picks you can. It's about making smart choices in the Draft, the trade market AND Free Agency.

I'm sorry Oskie. I'm not getting mad at you, I'm just getting mad at this paranoid atmosphere that's suffocating this board. In a more specific response, I think that after Ellis and Dorsey, the overall upside of this year's DT class is too low to not pursue other options...And I've always been a stickler about the Defensive Tackle spot.

Amen brother preach it...

What may be different this year is the type of over-priced contracts that going to players that I have not even heard of. Maybe after the initial pop things will settle down and we can get someone who can be a difference maker. I just want one big-time player -- can we do that? Where did Robertson go anyway?

[Jay6Cutler]

Dude, the fact is we are going to get Boss, who may only be a small step up over Gold, and we need one DT -- to get a player with even "potential" we are going to have to pay more this year. We cant fill all the holes this off-season, but if we try to only in the draft we are going to be sitting at an 8/8 season again.

this is the smartest post in this thread. stroud is a stud dt and we should take a long look at him. big deal he got caught using a banned substance we dont know what it was. it could have been anything. to say we shouldnt look at because of that is just plain dumb. marcus along with booger or jackson would be great but we do need dt

[cmhargrove]

Argh!

So, what? We'll take a OT in round 1, and a Linebacker in round 2, or vice versa, and "address" the need later?

Screw that. We've needed a Defensive Tackle more than we need any other position on the roster for AT LEAST the past 3 years. The need has been neglected, and when Wilson left, it finally reared it's ugly head in full force. We're left with a kid with loads of "Potential" and a group of scrubs who would have problems making other teams' practice squads. If we can't trade up into position to get Dorsey or Ellis, then we NEED to take a gamble to fix this. NOW. If we can find a stop-gap solution at DT, then why wouldn't we take the opportunity to acquire it? Fine. Stroud is too much of a risk. Let's get DeWayne Robertson, or Booger McFarland, or Ellis, or Dorsey, or SOMEONE!!

I laugh at the notion that addressing needs through the draft is somehow the safer route. What's our success rate on 2nd round picks, again? Where are George Foster and Ashley Lelie now?

Why is it that this board seems to subscribe to the thought that "Building through the draft" and trading/signing veterans are mutually exclusive?? Yes. We've been burned on some of our recent acquisitions, but that doesn't mean that signing/trading for players is somehow a flawed method. The New England Patriots didn't build their dynasty through the draft alone. They made smart choices in BOTH avenues. We got Champ Bailey via a trade. We signed John Lynch.

The key is simply making smart choices. Yes, in hindsight, the trade for Javon Walker was a bad one. That doesn't mean that the concept of the trade is what screwed us over! It was Javon Walker that screwed us, not our trading for him!

I do not now, nor will I ever submit to this "We need to rebuild, suck for a few years, then come back" bull****. How is it that we managed to be a successful team since the time Elway retired every year except two? BY BEING THE GODDAMNED DENVER BRONCOS! THE BRONCOS THAT SIGNED JAKE PLUMMER! THE BRONCOS WHO TRADED CLINTON PORTIS, A RISING SUPERSTAR FOR CHAMP BAILEY! When things started to look down, we DID NOT sit on our asses and say "Let's stockpile draft picks until enough of them turn out that we can be good again". WE WHEELED AND DEALT, TOOK GAMBLES AND REAPED THE BENEFITS! People talk about Simeon Rice as an example of a player who was a huge injury risk who didn't pan out as if it somehow damaged our long-term fortunes. What about Brandon Stokely? Same year, even bigger injury risk, and he turned out to be one of our best players this past year!!

IN SUMMARY, IF SOMEONE PROPOSES A STUPID TRADE/SIGNING, SAY THAT THE TRADE/SIGNING IS STUPID, NOT THAT THE IDEA OF TRADING/SIGNING IS STUPID! The key to being a successful franchise isn't simply using all the draft picks you can. It's about making smart choices in the Draft, the trade market AND Free Agency.

I'm sorry Oskie. I'm not getting mad at you, I'm just getting mad at this paranoid atmosphere that's suffocating this board. In a more specific response, I think that after Ellis and Dorsey, the overall upside of this year's DT class is too low to not pursue other options...And I've always been a stickler about the Defensive Tackle spot.

Just a point of order. We are in a shaky salary cap because of bad FA choices, not because of our previous draft picks. I read an article yesterday (i'll try to find a link). The article said the Giants spent about one million in free agency last year. The rest was homegrown talent - they develop their own and pay to keep their own.

I'm all for signing a big FA or two, but not at the crippling expense of the rest of the team. We need to draft and train better. That's the real answer. I would be perfectly happy drafting a DT in round 2. Let's develop him. If not, we need positional coaches that can do their jobs.

Our front office has always been willing to take chances and sign big names. That hasn't done it. The most exciting core of our team right now are guys we drafted and trained. Let's leave Stroud (and other big DT's) alone and finally learn how to train our own. Or, we need new scouts and positional coaches because that's where the real problem is.

[Paladin]

Big time FA, huh? What has Henry done? What has Graham done? Any other "Big time" FA really helped since Smith, et al? I think the middling guys getting huge deals is killing the game. Some franchises may be counting on the owners bunking the Agreement and heading into a non-cap year. But there does have to be a limit on exactly how much money a team has to spend. No business can operate losing money. I am talking about cash in hand. Cash flow. Real dollars. I do believe there are some players around who can play the game that are not household names, and may even be on the third tier list. They can play for a lot less money and may be able to contribute.

I am looking for a few good men to play the game. Don't need no stinking superstar. Got some of those.....

[Killericon]

Just a point of order. We are in a shaky salary cap because of bad FA choices, not because of our previous draft picks. I read an article yesterday (i'll try to find a link). The article said the Giants spent about one million in free agency last year. The rest was homegrown talent - they develop their own and pay to keep their own.

I'm all for signing a big FA or two, but not at the crippling expense of the rest of the team. We need to draft and train better. That's the real answer. I would be perfectly happy drafting a DT in round 2. Let's develop him. If not, we need positional coaches that can do their jobs.

Our front office has always been willing to take chances and sign big names. That hasn't done it. The most exciting core of our team right now are guys we drafted and trained. Let's leave Stroud (and other big DT's) alone and finally learn how to train our own. Or, we need new scouts and positional coaches because that's where the real problem is.

There's a logic I can agree with.

We need to draft and train better. That's the real answer.

How about we traded and signed FAs better, too?

[Jay6Cutler]

[QUOTE=cmhargrove;1900927]Just a point of order. We are in a shaky salary cap because of bad FA choices, not because of our previous draft picks. I read an article yesterday (i'll try to find a link). The article said the Giants spent about one million in free agency last year. The rest was homegrown talent - they develop their own and pay to keep their own.

I'm all for signing a big FA or two, but not at the crippling expense of the rest of the team. We need to draft and train better. That's the real answer. I would be perfectly happy drafting a DT in round 2. Let's develop him. If not, we need positional coaches that can do their jobs.

Our front office has always been willing to take chances and sign big names. That hasn't done it. The most exciting core of our team right now are guys we drafted and trained. Let's leave Stroud (and other big DT's) alone and finally learn how to train our own. Or, we need new scouts and positional coaches because that's where the real problem is.[/QUOT} srry but i have to disagree with you on stoud. the reason why is theres no dt in this draft as good as him. im all for draft for the future but hes to good of a player to pass on. theres no question about his motor at 29 still fairly young .shanny needs to pull the tigger on this one and get him. before you talk about cap space when has shanny not got a player hes wanted never

[elsid13]

Just a point of order. We are in a shaky salary cap because of bad FA choices, not because of our previous draft picks. I read an article yesterday (i'll try to find a link). The article said the Giants spent about one million in free agency last year. The rest was homegrown talent - they develop their own and pay to keep their own.

I'm all for signing a big FA or two, but not at the crippling expense of the rest of the team. We need to draft and train better. That's the real answer. I would be perfectly happy drafting a DT in round 2. Let's develop him. If not, we need positional coaches that can do their jobs.

Our front office has always been willing to take chances and sign big names. That hasn't done it. The most exciting core of our team right now are guys we drafted and trained. Let's leave Stroud (and other big DT's) alone and finally learn how to train our own. Or, we need new scouts and positional coaches because that's where the real problem is.


Denver is fine salary cap wise (like 14 million under). The issue isn't cap but rather shanahan and bowlen are not willing to overspend on players. People need to relax and let the deal/signing play out. I know that are many that believe that we are the worse team ever, but the FO usually pretty good about bringing players into the organization.

[eddie mac]

Denver is fine salary cap wise (like 14 million under). The issue isn't cap but rather shanahan and bowlen are not willing to overspend on players. People need to relax and let the deal/signing play out. I know that are many that believe that we are the worse team ever, but the FO usually pretty good about bringing players into the organization.

At my last count we're about $18m under not including Engelberger/Jackson's/Lynch's restructuring.

[Jens1893]

At my last count we're about $18m under not including Engelberger/Jackson's/Lynch's restructuring.

i guess that doesnt include the money you have to set aside for rookies, does it?

[elsid13]

At my last count we're about $18m under not including Engelberger/Jackson's/Lynch's restructuring.

I wanted to be on conversative side with cap. I figure that at 2.5 million is going to the rookie pool. Plus any other stuff we don't know about.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Argh!

So, what? We'll take a OT in round 1, and a Linebacker in round 2, or vice versa, and "address" the need later?

Screw that. We've needed a Defensive Tackle more than we need any other position on the roster for AT LEAST the past 3 years. The need has been neglected, and when Wilson left, it finally reared it's ugly head in full force. We're left with a kid with loads of "Potential" and a group of scrubs who would have problems making other teams' practice squads. If we can't trade up into position to get Dorsey or Ellis, then we NEED to take a gamble to fix this. NOW. If we can find a stop-gap solution at DT, then why wouldn't we take the opportunity to acquire it? Fine. Stroud is too much of a risk. Let's get DeWayne Robertson, or Booger McFarland, or Ellis, or Dorsey, or SOMEONE!!

I laugh at the notion that addressing needs through the draft is somehow the safer route. What's our success rate on 2nd round picks, again? Where are George Foster and Ashley Lelie now?

Why is it that this board seems to subscribe to the thought that "Building through the draft" and trading/signing veterans are mutually exclusive?? Yes. We've been burned on some of our recent acquisitions, but that doesn't mean that signing/trading for players is somehow a flawed method. The New England Patriots didn't build their dynasty through the draft alone. They made smart choices in BOTH avenues. We got Champ Bailey via a trade. We signed John Lynch.

The key is simply making smart choices. Yes, in hindsight, the trade for Javon Walker was a bad one. That doesn't mean that the concept of the trade is what screwed us over! It was Javon Walker that screwed us, not our trading for him!

I do not now, nor will I ever submit to this "We need to rebuild, suck for a few years, then come back" bull****. How is it that we managed to be a successful team since the time Elway retired every year except two? BY BEING THE GODDAMNED DENVER BRONCOS! THE BRONCOS THAT SIGNED JAKE PLUMMER! THE BRONCOS WHO TRADED CLINTON PORTIS, A RISING SUPERSTAR FOR CHAMP BAILEY! When things started to look down, we DID NOT sit on our asses and say "Let's stockpile draft picks until enough of them turn out that we can be good again". WE WHEELED AND DEALT, TOOK GAMBLES AND REAPED THE BENEFITS! People talk about Simeon Rice as an example of a player who was a huge injury risk who didn't pan out as if it somehow damaged our long-term fortunes. What about Brandon Stokely? Same year, even bigger injury risk, and he turned out to be one of our best players this past year!!

IN SUMMARY, IF SOMEONE PROPOSES A STUPID TRADE/SIGNING, SAY THAT THE TRADE/SIGNING IS STUPID, NOT THAT THE IDEA OF TRADING/SIGNING IS STUPID! The key to being a successful franchise isn't simply using all the draft picks you can. It's about making smart choices in the Draft, the trade market AND Free Agency.

I'm sorry Oskie. I'm not getting mad at you, I'm just getting mad at this paranoid atmosphere that's suffocating this board. In a more specific response, I think that after Ellis and Dorsey, the overall upside of this year's DT class is too low to not pursue other options...And I've always been a stickler about the Defensive Tackle spot.


Great post. It's funny, many on this board have assigned some moralistic value to the draft while equating signing free agents to taking the easy way out by making a deal with the devil. As if drafting is the noble thing to do.

And good point about the two not being mutually exclusive. When have the broncos ever not drafted a guy because they couldn't afford to sign them? You can sign a D-tackle and draft one too! How novel! The way to build through the draft is by acquiring more picks, which they can do by trading down (id prefer to have 3-4 second rd picks than the 12th pick in the draft..its the NFL draft after all). But drafting well is the key. If we have more drafts like our 05 or 06 one, whichever year it was, it would be much easier to build throough the draft:) It's not like the broncos staff didnt take the draft seriously and this year they'll suddenly start scouting more and say "eh, we'll stop flipping coins to make our selections this year"

Also, for all those people who dont want to sign a vet d-tackle and draft one...we have 4 friggin D-lineman with 2 years of experience or less that are actually supposed to contribute!!! We need a veteren in there and a guy like dwayne robertson makes some sense because of his youth and experience. In a league where going worst to first isn't exactly rare, you should always prepare to win.

Now I'm not saying blow money on every big free agent name out there, but if one really fits your team and a need, why hold back?

[DB_champ24]

Also, for all those people who dont want to sign a vet d-tackle and draft one...we have 4 friggin D-lineman with 2 years of experience or less that are actually supposed to contribute!!! We need a veteren in there and a guy like dwayne robertson makes some sense because of his youth and experience. In a league where going worst to first isn't exactly rare, you should always prepare to win.

Now I'm not saying blow money on every big free agent name out there, but if one really fits your team and a need, why hold back?

Thats what I'm talking about!!!!!!!!!

[SouthStndJunkie]

BILLS, JAGS COMPLETE STROUD TRADE by Michael David Smith

Jay Glazer of Fox is reporting that the Buffalo Bills have completed a trade with the Jacksonville Jaguars for defensive tackle Marcus Stroud.

The price the Bills paid to the Jaguars was a pair of draft picks, third- and fifth-rounders. That makes it official that the going rate for defensive tackles in the NFL is third- and fifth-round picks. Earlier this week, the Panthers sent Kris Jenkins to the Jets for third- and fifth-round picks, and the Lions agreed to trade Shaun Rogers to the Bengals for third- and fifth-round picks, although that trade was voided and Rogers was ultimately sent to the Browns for a third-round pick and Leigh Bodden.

The Bills paved the way for acquiring Stroud by cutting defensive tackle Larry Tripplett. An Associated Press story saying Stroud "cut short his visit with the Bills in Buffalo on Friday after the team's interest cooled upon learning Stroud was seeking a significant raise" was incorrect.

In fact, a league source tells PFT that although Stroud re-worked his contract in a way that gives him more of the money he's due on his current deal upfront, no "significant raise" was part of the deal with the Bills. Stroud still has three years left on his deal and is still scheduled to make $16.5 million in those three years.

[sixtimeseight]

What has Graham done?

Only be the best blocker on our line, all year long. And it wasn't really close. Other than that, not much.

Gotta love people that judge TEs based solely on catches and touchdowns. You do realize the PRIMARY purpose of a TE is to block right?

[Jay6Cutler]

BILLS, JAGS COMPLETE STROUD TRADE by Michael David Smith

Jay Glazer of Fox is reporting that the Buffalo Bills have completed a trade with the Jacksonville Jaguars for defensive tackle Marcus Stroud.

The price the Bills paid to the Jaguars was a pair of draft picks, third- and fifth-rounders. That makes it official that the going rate for defensive tackles in the NFL is third- and fifth-round picks. Earlier this week, the Panthers sent Kris Jenkins to the Jets for third- and fifth-round picks, and the Lions agreed to trade Shaun Rogers to the Bengals for third- and fifth-round picks, although that trade was voided and Rogers was ultimately sent to the Browns for a third-round pick and Leigh Bodden.

The Bills paved the way for acquiring Stroud by cutting defensive tackle Larry Tripplett. An Associated Press story saying Stroud "cut short his visit with the Bills in Buffalo on Friday after the team's interest cooled upon learning Stroud was seeking a significant raise" was incorrect.

In fact, a league source tells PFT that although Stroud re-worked his contract in a way that gives him more of the money he's due on his current deal upfront, no "significant raise" was part of the deal with the Bills. Stroud still has three years left on his deal and is still scheduled to make $16.5 million in those three years.












this really pisses me off WTF is shanny thinkin. the bronco need a dt and hes doing nothing about it. i useully dont question shanny but im starting to think hes lost it. theres no dt in this draft that is as good as stroud

[Popps]

Argh!
.

I feel your pain.

The funny thing about this off-season so far is that the Piggy-bank and Draft-hobby-crowd are already starting in with how we can't sign anyone unless they're dirt cheap, and GOD FORBID we trade our 2nd round pick. We've hit on about two decent players in the 2nd round in the past decade, if not longer. Those are GREAT odds that we just can't tamper with. (<20%)

The funniest thing about this annual line of bull**** is that it's all predicated on this absolutely false notion that we someone "got ourselves into" being a crappy defense by going on wild spending sprees.

A closer look (or just a look by anyone who actually paid attention) tells you that our defense sucks NOT because we spent any money the D-line, but likely because we didn't.

If you want to stump these people, ask them who all of these "high profile" free agents we signed were?

Name one.

I can only think of one big contract for a D-linemen, and that was Gardener. (A horrible choice in retrospect, but it's not like he was even the top FA that year.)

Instead, we've used tons of post-first round picks and signed tons of junky has-beens and 2nd tier players like Rice, Courtney Brown, Myers and then when they failed, tried to promote guys from the friggin' practice squad.

So, let's not pretend we've taken this defense seriously in the past decade. We haven't.

We've got two great players on defense. BOTH have big contracts and both were brought in through FA or trade. Our "best" drafted defensive player is either Williams, a marginal talent... or Dumervil, a situational player.


So, all you people pissing and moaning about us actually spending any money or trading any picks, you've got absolutely zero sense of historical accuracy as to why this defense is in such a mess. It's a mess because we've poo-poo'd the d-line for a decade... instead, choosing to draft CBs high and sign crap-can stop-gaps for the line.

I think it's hilarious to hear Shanahan making these quotes this off-season about how "free agency is tough"... and how "players have holes".... and how you have to build through the draft.

Yea, well maybe you're just not very good at it, Mike. Maybe it's been a decade and you haven't drafted a SINGLE impact player outside of Wilson.

Maybe your FA defensive signings are a joke. Maybe YOU are the problem, not the system.

Again, if you've paid attention... you know what's gone down.. it it WASN'T us out there making big deals like madmen. We just made stupid deals and never took the most important facet of the defense seriously.

[TheDave]

this really pisses me off WTF is shanny thinkin. the bronco need a dt and hes doing nothing about it. i useully dont question shanny but im starting to think hes lost it. theres no dt in this draft that is as good as stroud


I think they have their sights set on Robertson...

[rbackfactory80]

I think they have their sights set on Robertson...

I hope. Robertson has the least question marks out of all the Tackles available, a change of scenery would do him wonders I think.