How much more evidence does America need about Billary?

[Maximus]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/23/clinton.mailings/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

Today Billary tried the outrage angle to gain support. The _linton campaign is a total joke at this point. Making claims that she was just handed a flier about her health care plan in one breath and in the next breath claiming that she has addressed the fliers in the next breath is just lame :rofl:

She just doesn't understand that Americans know the truth when they hear it. The only people who will believe her tirade of indignation is genuine are _illary supporters.

[Kaylore]

She offends the intellect. It's like McCain. Both of them think we don't know who they are or what they're doing. It's offensive.

[Maximus]

She offends the intellect. It's like McCain. Both of them think we don't know who they are or what they're doing. It's offensive.

Exactly! It seems like political advisors have been relying on voter apathy,.. just counting on the chance that Americans don't really listen.

[frerottenextelway]

"I Think Everybody Is In Favor Of Free And Fair Trade. I Think NAFTA Is Proving Its Worth." - HRC '96

She was clearly for it before she was against it.

“I think there are a number of mechanisms that are possible, including going after people’s wages and automatic enrollment.” - HRC '08

Those were her own words on how she would implement universal coverage.

[TexanBob]

She's just desperate and trying anything to regain momentum. Feigning outrage and misleading people are two tried and true methods. I'd rather see her resort to that than start crying again.

Judging by the massive turnout for Obama here in Austin (disclaimer, Austin in no way represents the rest of the state), I'd say Hillary is Texas Toast.

I'm enjoying the hell out of that and I haven't even voted against her yet.

[JCMElway]

She's just desperate and trying anything to regain momentum. Feigning outrage and misleading people are two tried and true methods. I'd rather see her resort to that than start crying again.

Judging by the massive turnout for Obama here in Austin (disclaimer, Austin in no way represents the rest of the state), I'd say Hillary is Texas Toast.

I'm enjoying the hell out of that and I haven't even voted against her yet.

Yeah, I live in Austin as well. And, sadly, Austin is a sea of blue surrounded by an ocean of red.

However, I do not believe that it's a foregone conclusion that McCain would carry Texas in the general election. With the voter apathy for McCain, Bush's abysmal job ratings, and Obama's appeal to independents, I would bet that Obama and McCain would be in a dead heat in the Lone Star state.

Remember, Bush only defeated Kerry 60-40 here last time around.

[TexanBob]

I actually agree. An Obama-McCain race would be more difficult to handicap than a lot of people might think. Hillary won a lot of the big-delegate "blue" states while Obama cleaned up on small and "red" states. Meanwhile McCain cleaned up in the GOP winning "blue" states and, to this day, isn't winning "red" states even as the presumptive nominee.

Bottom line: Obama's road to the nomination came mostly through conservative states while McCain's road to the nomination came mostly through liberal states, meaning both could pick off a few of the other's presumed base states in November although I still think Obama wins unless he commits a major gaffe or some scandal is unearthed.

If the choice in the fall is between two Democrats, you might as well go with the genuine article.

[TexanBob]

According to Rasmussen:

http://http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/for_or_against_presidential_candidates

Thirty-four percent (34%) of all voters say they will definitely vote for John McCain if he is on the ballot this November. Thirty-three percent (33%) will definitely vote against him while 29% say their support hinges on who his opponent is.

Barack Obama has the same number who will definitely vote for him--34%. But, more people are committed to voting against him than McCain. Forty-three percent (43%) say they will definitely reject him at the ballot box. For 18%, their support depends on his opponent.

For Hillary Clinton, 32% will definitely vote for her if she is on the ballot and 46% will definitely vote against. Core opposition to Clinton, the best-known of the candidates as the long campaign season began, hovered in the high 40s through most of the past year.

[spdirty]

just my opinion, but I think she would be the least disastrous of the 3.

[theAPAOps5]

Over/under on the amount of posts is 13 before Bronco Bob engages in a tirade of bitterness about how America is only following the media darling. Yet mere months ago Billary was the media darling.

[frerottenextelway]

Obama Responds

Firing back at Hillary's criticism of his NAFTA mailers here, Obama said tonight that she can't pick and choose from her husband's administration.

"You can’t be for something or take credit for an administration and 35 years of experience and then when you run for president suggest somehow you didn’t really mean what you said back then," Obama said to applause at a rally of about 5,000. "It doesn't work that way."

He said Clinton had in fact supported the trade deal that is blamed for thousands of job losses in the industrial hub of this state and that is viewed as something akin to cancer by Ohio Democrats.

"The truth is that Sen. Clinton supported NAFTA before she ran for president. That is indisupatable. She called it 'a victory' in her book. She told people it has proved its worth. T hose are facts."

Obama struck a defensive tone in bringing up another matter on which he and Clinton have battled.

"Sen. Clinton also said today, 'Since when do Democrats attack one another on universal health care?'" he quoted her as asking.

"Well, since she started saying that I’m against universal health care, that’s when it started," he answered. "Something that she repeats every single day."

And seeking to portray Clinton as being the negative one in the race, Obama took special note to remind the crowd one of the Democrats' favorite bogeymen.

"She actually compared our campaign to Karl Rove's," Obama said to boos. "That's one I had not heard before."

All she's done is to make NAFTA an issue (and look like an idiot), something that doesn't float well in Ohio. Her campaign has been run so poorly, maybe it's a good thing she isn't the one who will be running the country.

[Inkana7]

I <3 Obama, but quite frankly, I'm on the "Anyone but McCain" bandwagon.

[SoCalBronco]

Poor Bronco Bob

[Old Dude]

I'm not a Hillary hater. I'm leaning toward Obama at the moment, mostly because I think he may be more electible, but I don't really see that much difference in their positions, and I think either one of them would make a much better President than McCain. And I'm almost positive that neither of them could be as bad as Bush, even if they tried.

Be that as it may, it looks to me like Hillary continues to slide down the polls.

Beyond Texas and Ohio, she's also have to win Pennsylvania. Just a week or so ago, she was leading there by 20. Now that's been cut to 12.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/cityregion/s_553459.html

And the thing is that it won't be enough for her to eek out some close wins in those states. She needs to win by a substantial enough margin to get a big difference in the delegate distribution. Every point she falls makes that less likely. And it's got to be very demoralizing.

[TexanBob]

On second thought, if you have 43% who claim they would never vote for Obama, I wonder how many more wouldn't say that to a pollster because they fear being thought of as a racist just for thinking it. If the "Bradley Factor" truly works against Obama, one can only imagine what the true percentage is that won't vote for Obama due to other than political reasons. Not that we'll ever truly know.

[frerottenextelway]

On second thought, if you have 43% who claim they would never vote for Obama, I wonder how many more wouldn't say that to a pollster because they fear being thought of as a racist just for thinking it. If the "Bradley Factor" truly works against Obama, one can only imagine what the true percentage is that won't vote for Obama due to other than political reasons. Not that we'll ever truly know.

The Dems are always going to have a higher ''won't vote for him/her'' percentage because of single-issue voters that are loyal to the right. Organizations like NRA or Right To Life and others like them are filled with people that vote based on 1 issue.

The key to winning is to win over independents and moderate republicans. I think it's clear that Obama has a better chance of capturing theses, and is trouncing Clinton in this area in the states that have voted so far. The latest polls have Obama beating McCain by 8% while McCain beats Clinton by 8%. That's a pretty signficant difference.

[cutthemdown]

I was wondering if Obama gets elected and pulls out of Nafta are there any penalties. We did sign and agreement right? How bound are we to the provisions of NAFTA?

[cutthemdown]

I think it would be good for country to have a black president. It will show black youth that truly anything is possible. Hopefully the result would be that affirmative action could be done away with and we can all just be americans.

[TexanBob]

Yeah, I'm excited to see how Oprah Winfrey will do as Secretary of State.

[Dudeskey]

On second thought, if you have 43% who claim they would never vote for Obama, I wonder how many more wouldn't say that to a pollster because they fear being thought of as a racist just for thinking it. If the "Bradley Factor" truly works against Obama, one can only imagine what the true percentage is that won't vote for Obama due to other than political reasons. Not that we'll ever truly know.

Dude, try tuning in to Rome instead of Rush...

[frerottenextelway]

http://www.breitbart.tv/html/53014.html

Whoops!

[TailgateNut]

SO, is Billary campaigning for Hill, or is Hill campaigning for Billary?

[sirhcyennek81]

I actually agree. An Obama-McCain race would be more difficult to handicap than a lot of people might think. Hillary won a lot of the big-delegate "blue" states while Obama cleaned up on small and "red" states. Meanwhile McCain cleaned up in the GOP winning "blue" states and, to this day, isn't winning "red" states even as the presumptive nominee.

Bottom line: Obama's road to the nomination came mostly through conservative states while McCain's road to the nomination came mostly through liberal states, meaning both could pick off a few of the other's presumed base states in November although I still think Obama wins unless he commits a major gaffe or some scandal is unearthed.

If the choice in the fall is between two Democrats, you might as well go with the genuine article.


McCain had a hard time winning his home state, it should be an interesting race.


:Broncos: