Hillary Clinton has been DISMISSED

[JCMElway]

The thought just struck me as I was watching the political coverage tonight. There was some talk of Texas and Ohio, and Hillary strategy, but the overwhelming conversation was of Obama, McCain, and what that race might entail.

Everytime the pundits talked about Clinton it involved phrases like changing tactics, a sense of desperation, hail mary, miracles, must win situations, and working against the clock. No personality, on any network, is giving her a realistic chance and being the Democratic nominee.

I watched a bunch of Obama's speech and then some more coverage of Obama in Wisconsin. They then went to a commercial break. Going to break, they showed a little bit of Hillary's speech tonight and it actually jarred me a bit. My thought process was: "Oh. Is she still in the news? Why do they have her on the screen?"

The crazy thing is if she does well in TX, OH, and PA, or at least makes it close in these three states, this thing is going to the convention and it could be messy. However, given the tone of the coverage tonight, and the momentum from 10 wins in a row, Hillary Clinton may be a moot before we even got to March.

[TexanBob]

If it goes to the convention, Hillary will win. Obama has to build such a lead that he forces her to concede and who knows if that's even doable. The dirty little secret is that none of these delegates are beholden to either candidate and both sides are now working to steal the other's declared delegates.

As for the media, they are a bunch of chattering chicken littles with memories like mayflies. History, to them, is whatever happened in the last 15 minutes. Don't pay too much attention to their predictions. If they were that plugged in, this election would be Hillary vs. Giuliani because that's who the media told us it would be six months ago.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If it goes to the convention, Hillary will win.

Why Hillary Can't Win

"When people thought she was a winner, then they were inclined to feel more warmly toward her, and when they suspect that she's a loser, they decide — like all Americans toward all losers — that she must be humiliated and crushed."

- John Podhoretz

I assumed that Hillary Clinton's fund raising prowess would give her the nomination. I assumed that her husband would be an asset with most Democratic voters. I didn't think that Obama would get votes from so many white people.

I don't think I was wrong in making those assumptions, but I missed one thing completely. I forgot that when Hillary Clinton tries to be slick, she messes up badly. Sucking up to Rupert Murdoch and Matt Drudge are definitely in the trying to be slick category. More importantly, I forgot about the role of the corporate media, and I didn't foresee that they would side so obviously with Obama.

That is why Hillary is done. She cannot over come the barrage of negative press that has hit her. The press are in the tank for Obama, and that is obviously because he is the corporate media favorite.

Hillary and Bill realized that the media, especially conservatives like Rupert Murdoch and Matt Drudge, could make or break her campaign. They set off on a course that seemed to make sense, get them on her side and keep them there.

But no one likes a traitor, and I'm sure that is how Murdoch and Drudge regarded her pitching and wooing. Along comes Obama, proving time and again that he is "safe" as the Drudges and Murdochs define it. He endorsed Joe Lieberman, his Senate mentor, he waffled on Iraq, often contradicting his own statements about being anti-war. He said he would bomb Iran. He said that Israel can keep killing people whenever and wherever it chooses.

Most importantly he told them that he will keep black people quiet. Like the right wing he thinks that the 60s and 70s were "excessive." He says "there is no black America" and in any case we are "90% of the way towards equality."

What's not to like? Obama made the case he could beat the woman they always hated and he talked the way they liked. Now you can stick the fork in her.

I never liked Hillary Clinton. I am a New Yorker and I have never voted for her. In her last Senate campaign I voted for her opponent, Jonathan Tasini. In the recent New York primary I voted for Dennis Kucinich.

Now that she is getting her comeuppance I don't feel as happy as I thought I would. If we were getting a better deal with Obama, I could rejoice. If the attacks against her were based on facts I would be happy.

Instead her political twin will beat her. Obama has given more money to super delegates than she has. His contributions since 2005 total $698,200 while she has only given $205,500. He is getting more bang for his buck, with 35 of 82 recipients pledging their support. She has the support of only 13 out of the 109 who have gotten money from her. They used to call this vote buying, I don't know what it is called now. Money still talks.

"In every case the Center (Center for Responsive Politics) found in which superdelegates received money from one candidate but not the other, the superdelegate is backing the candidate who gave them money."

If Obama's super delegate hunting continues to run as smoothly as the rest of his campaign, he will buy off more of them and still manage to look good while Hillary will be portrayed as a sharp elbowed harpy.

Hillary has been hoisted on her own petard. She isn't Mrs. Slick Willie after all. She could have used her husband's popularity to reach out to Democrats, she could have said she made a mistake when she voted to occupy Iraq. Instead she chose to cozy up to people who threw her under the bus at the first opportunity. She doesn't know what hit her, and she doesn't have a way out.

If she did it wouldn't matter. The corporate media have chosen Barack Obama and that is why he will get the nomination.

http://freedomrider.blogspot.com/

[Old Dude]

Looks like Obama took Hawaii easily. Still counting, but last figures had him up 76:24. A blowout. Not completely unexpected, because he grew up there.

Supposedly, there is a tight race going on in the Washington primary, but it is meaningless, since the delegates are awarded on the basis of the earlier caucus votes, which Obama won easily.

Most talking heads now figure that she has to win Texas and Ohio by substantial margins on March 4, or it's over. (Rhode Island and Vermont vote the same day, but neither has very many delegates, and they are expected to split.)

[spdirty]

I'm just telling you guys. Until she concedes, she's Rasputin.

[Rohirrim]

I'm guessing the media hatchet job that has been done on Billary will some day generate many a political science thesis. I've found it to be jaw-droppingly blatant. I'm surprised it's getting such minimal coverage in the print media.

[Old Dude]

With 100% reporting, Hawaii did go 76/24 Obama.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/02/20/684144.aspx

[Rohirrim]

Actually, I smell a rat. It's not something I can really explain, just a feeling I have. The whole thing smells to me like a giant set-up. The media takes down Billary and props up Obama. Why? What I suspect is that once the general election heats up, some kind of extremely damaging info on Obama will be released and McCain will win the election by default. Same as it ever was.

[TailgateNut]

I'm guessing the media hatchet job that has been done on Billary will some day generate many a political science thesis. I've found it to be jaw-droppingly blatant. I'm surprised it's getting such minimal coverage in the print media.

Would you also consider it a hatchet job if the tables were turned. It couldn't be that the amount of support Obama is recieving has anything to do with the amount of positive coverage. Naw, it's just the media which is anti- Hillary.:spit:

[TailgateNut]

Actually, I smell a rat. It's not something I can really explain, just a feeling I have. The whole thing smells to me like a giant set-up. The media takes down Billary and props up Obama. Why? What I suspect is that once the general election heats up, some kind of extremely damaging info on Obama will be released and McCain will win the election by default. Same as it ever was.

Billary and Hill would have already pulled that cat out of the bag.

BTW: has BroncoBob exited stage left?

[Hotrod]

Actually, I smell a rat. It's not something I can really explain, just a feeling I have. The whole thing smells to me like a giant set-up. The media takes down Billary and props up Obama. Why? What I suspect is that once the general election heats up, some kind of extremely damaging info on Obama will be released and McCain will win the election by default. Same as it ever was.

I truely have doubts America can afford 4 years of McCain

[TailgateNut]

I truely have doubts America can afford 4 years of McCain

Why not? We've been forced to "afford" Bush for eight years by both parties.

[Hotrod]

Why not? We've been forced to "afford" Bush for eight years by both parties.

And look at where we are today.

[TailgateNut]

Read between the lines!;)

[Rohirrim]

Would you also consider it a hatchet job if the tables were turned. It couldn't be that the amount of support Obama is recieving has anything to do with the amount of positive coverage. Naw, it's just the media which is anti- Hillary.:spit:

It all seems to have started when Billary mentioned that it took LBJ to make MLK's efforts into law. A simple, and true, statement. At that time, Billary was way ahead in the polls. Then, the media latched onto that statement, twisted it into some kind of racial innuendo, and began the process of tearing down her campaign. Her drop in the polls started with that first attack. Anybody who is the least objective could see it happening.

Hell, they just played the other side of the coin yesterday. Two things happened. One, was Michelle Obama said, "...that for the first time in her adult life she is proud of her country." What did the press do with that statement? Apologized for her. If Bubba said that, they would have gutted him like a fish. Two, Obama is found to be plagiarizing entire sections of a speech from another politician without attribution. What does the press do? Explain it for him and move on.

Anyone who can't see the obvious manipulation going on in this campaign, has their head in the sand. Don't even get me started on how the media has treated Ron Paul. The truth is that the media is pre-selecting candidates for the American people, and the sheep are are hopping right into the chute, on command.

[TailgateNut]

It all seems to have started when Billary mentioned that it took LBJ to make MLK's efforts into law. A simple, and true, statement. At that time, Billary was way ahead in the polls. Then, the media latched onto that statement, twisted it into some kind of racial innuendo, and began the process of tearing down her campaign. Her drop in the polls started with that first attack. Anybody who is the least objective could see it happening.

Hell, they just played the other side of the coin yesterday. Two things happened. One, was Michelle Obama said, "...that for the first time in her adult life she is proud of her country." What did the press do with that statement? Apologized for her. If Bubba said that, they would have gutted him like a fish. Two, Obama is found to be plagiarizing entire sections of a speech from another politician without attribution. What does the press do? Explain it for him and move on.

Anyone who can't see the obvious manipulation going on in this campaign, has their head in the sand. Don't even get me started on how the media has treated Ron Paul. The truth is that the media is pre-selecting candidates for the American people, and the sheep are are hopping right into the chute, on command.


So, media manipulation aside, do you think Hillary is a better candidate? Do you trust her? I do not.

My candidate of choice was Edwards and I had to pick from the remaining litter once he stepped aside. I trust him to do a better job of bringing opposing sides together more than I do Hillary.

I wont even touch the RP issue.

[Rohirrim]

So, media manipulation aside, do you think Hillary is a better candidate? Do you trust her? I do not.

My candidate of choice was Edwards and I had to pick from the remaining litter once he stepped aside. I trust him to do a better job of bringing opposing sides together more than I do Hillary.

I wont even touch the RP issue.

No. I'm tired of the Clintons. I want them to go away. What I don't like about them is that, politically, they are neither fish nor fowl. They try to be all things to all people. That's always irritated me. The good thing about them is that they are competent. After 8 years of Dubya, we could use some competence. Obama is the human air ball and McCain is nuts. So, once again, another American election comes down to dumb, dumber and dumberer.

As far as the media hack job, I'm just commenting on what I've seen. In the interests of fairness, I think the Clintons have been ****ed by the media. But I'm not sad to see them go away.

[JCMElway]

LABF, you live in New York? Why aren't you N.Y. Broncos Fan?

[JCMElway]

If it goes to the convention, Hillary will win. Obama has to build such a lead that he forces her to concede and who knows if that's even doable. The dirty little secret is that none of these delegates are beholden to either candidate and both sides are now working to steal the other's declared delegates.

As for the media, they are a bunch of chattering chicken littles with memories like mayflies. History, to them, is whatever happened in the last 15 minutes. Don't pay too much attention to their predictions. If they were that plugged in, this election would be Hillary vs. Giuliani because that's who the media told us it would be six months ago.

You're fooling yourself. She may hang on until the convention, but if she doesn't do incredibly well in TX, OH, and PA, it's over.

[Play2win]

Hillary has Jumped the Shark... ;D

[SonOfLe-loLang]

So, media manipulation aside, do you think Hillary is a better candidate? Do you trust her? I do not.

My candidate of choice was Edwards and I had to pick from the remaining litter once he stepped aside. I trust him to do a better job of bringing opposing sides together more than I do Hillary.

I wont even touch the RP issue.

Edwards was my candidate too, but I think HIllary and Obama are 6 in one hand. If history suggests anything (Kennedy, Carter) Obama is going to have a rough go of it at first. He's a great speaker, has nice ideas, some good policy (none of which is his own) but I dont think he realizes how to play the system (just an impression.)

Two things def. jump out at me though. 1) his healthcare plan won't work, which suggests to me he might have little desire to actually change the current one. 2) His infrastructure plan relies on the fact that we take the money earmarked for the iraq war and put it towards job growth...etc. Now that sounds all well and good, until he realizes that we arent leaving iraq any time soon.

I think Obama might be a good president someday, i just think he'll have his troubles in the beginning. Hillary has tons of her own problems, but i do buy (kind of) into that "she'll be a more effective leader on day one" stuff. That said, I did vote for Obama, so im confused:) And honestly, at this point, i wish it were all over and i just want a democrat in office so SOMETHING good can get done.

And i think this board is the only forum still talking about Ron Paul..ENOUGH WITH HIM.

[TexanBob]

Believe me, nothing would make me happier than to see Bill and Hillary kicked to the curb. I'm doubled over in laughter at the thought that somehow Matt Drudge and Rupert Murdoch are to blame. What lunacy!

But one campaign has all the political chits, the FBI files, the media minnions who lie and spin for them like they were Castro and the media was Granma. And that's the Clintons. Like Castro, I wouldn't count the Clintons dead until the autopsy.

If the Democrats are truly delousing themselves of the Billary infestation, one can only ask "what took you so long?". The rest of America had had enough of these grifters after the first six years.

No, I think the media latched onto them, hired their mouthpieces (Stephanopoulus, Carville, Begalla, et al) to spew their talking points for a generation and now see that the generation to come isn't buying their crap so they are belatedly jumping on board the next generation's flavor fave. That's what you are really seeing here - the Democrat electorate moving from one generation to a newer generation.

Obama is going to be swept into office in a landslide over the old, tired and untrustworthy McCain. There will be a media honeymoon for six months. There will be signs Obama isn't up to the job within the first year and America will do to him what Notre Dame did to Ty Willingham when Obama reaches 2012.

After all, the professional racial lobby still needs something to complain about after America elects their first (half) black president. If they can't get upset that America rejected him going in, at least they'll have the satisfaction of doing it on his way out.

[Old Dude]

More good news for Obama & bad for Clinton. Zogby/Reuter poll released today shows:

Obama leads Clinton nationally, 52% to 38% (10% undecided). That's a 14 point gap, compared to a statistical dead heat that the same poll showed a month ago.

In a head to head matchup (if the general election were held today), McCain would defeat Clinton 50% to 38% (12% undecided). McCain leads Clinton in all regions of the country, among independents, and all income brackets.

In a head to head matchup, Obama would defeat McCain 47% to 40% (13% undecided). Obama leads McCain among independents and among all age groups except those over 70. He leads in all regions except the South.

McCain gets 18% of the African American vote against Clinton, but only 3% against Obama.

[Rohirrim]

Believe me, nothing would make me happier than to see Bill and Hillary kicked to the curb. I'm doubled over in laughter at the thought that somehow Matt Drudge and Rupert Murdoch are to blame. What lunacy!

But one campaign has all the political chits, the FBI files, the media minnions who lie and spin for them like they were Castro and the media was Granma. And that's the Clintons. Like Castro, I wouldn't count the Clintons dead until the autopsy.

If the Democrats are truly delousing themselves of the Billary infestation, one can only ask "what took you so long?". The rest of America had had enough of these grifters after the first six years.

No, I think the media latched onto them, hired their mouthpieces (Stephanopoulus, Carville, Begalla, et al) to spew their talking points for a generation and now see that the generation to come isn't buying their crap so they are belatedly jumping on board the next generation's flavor fave. That's what you are really seeing here - the Democrat electorate moving from one generation to a newer generation.

Obama is going to be swept into office in a landslide over the old, tired and untrustworthy McCain. There will be a media honeymoon for six months. There will be signs Obama isn't up to the job within the first year and America will do to him what Notre Dame did to Ty Willingham when Obama reaches 2012.

After all, the professional racial lobby still needs something to complain about after America elects their first (half) black president. If they can't get upset that America rejected him going in, at least they'll have the satisfaction of doing it on his way out.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste.


Or, half a mind.

[Crushaholic]

I don't know why the Democrats don't go to a winner-take-all system like the Republicans. This race would be over if the Democrats did that...

[TexanBob]

I don't know why the Democrats don't go to a winner-take-all system like the Republicans. This race would be over if the Democrats did that...

It was that way until Jesse Jackson went about complaining over it. He felt that if he got all the blacks to vote for him, then he ought to have all their delegates proportionately. The winner-take-all-system denied him that except in South Carolina and D.C. so he insisted the system be changed so he could have delegates proportionate with the percentage of the vote he was winning.

[alkemical]

Actually, I smell a rat. It's not something I can really explain, just a feeling I have. The whole thing smells to me like a giant set-up. The media takes down Billary and props up Obama. Why? What I suspect is that once the general election heats up, some kind of extremely damaging info on Obama will be released and McCain will win the election by default. Same as it ever was.

That's why i keep saying it's a Vince McMahon production.

[Old Dude]

I don't know why the Democrats don't go to a winner-take-all system like the Republicans. This race would be over if the Democrats did that...

I was curious to see how this would play out, so I did some quick (and very rough) calculations. Not sure how good my math is here ...

If they used the winner take all system (and the same number of delegates & unpledged delegates used by the Republicans) it would look like this:

Clinton: NY (87), Mass (40), NH (12), Nevada (34), New Mexico (29), Oklahoma (38), Ark (31), Tenn (52), NJ (52), Cal (170), Arizona (53):

Total to date: 598. (Unpledged Delegates in states won: 32)

Obama: Iowa (40), South Carolina (44), Louisiana (20), Hawaii (17), Connecticut (27), Maine (all 21 unpledged), Alaska (26), Alabama (45), Colorado (46), Delaware (18), Georgia (72), Illinois (57), Minnesota (all 41 unpledged), D.C (16), Washington (40), Virginia (74), Kansas (39), Nebraska (33), N.D. (26), Missouri (58), Wisconsin (37), Utah (36), Virgin Islands (all 9 unpledged), Maryland (37), Idaho (23)

Total to date: 807 (Unpledged Delegates in States won: 144)


Totals:

Obama: 807
Clinton: 598
Unpledged: 176

Needed for nomination (under this system): 1,081*

Big states still to come would include Ohio (88), Texas (140), Pennsylvania (74), North Carolina (69), Indiana (57) and Kentucky (45).

Hillary would need 583** more. She could get that with wins in Texas (140), Ohio (88), Pennsylvania (74), Rhode Island (20) plus 261 more out of the following: Indiana (57), North Carolina (69), Kentucky (45), Mississippi (39), West Virginia (30), plus either one of several other states such as Oregon (30) or South Dakota (27) or 21 out of the 176 unpledged pool. In the alternative, she could afford to lose a fairly big state, such as North Carolina, if she could capture half of the uncommitteds.


*Edit: Oops. That total assumes that Michigan and Florida counted for half. Since these states don't count on the Democratic side, then we'd have to reduce the total needed for the nomination accordingly. Those states (even at half strength), count for 107, so the total number of delegates needed for the win would be reduced by 53.

** So she'd be 530 from the nomination.

[Inkana7]

It's crunch time for Hilary. If she loses Texas and Ohio, she's done.

[broncofan7]

Believe me, nothing would make me happier than to see Bill and Hillary kicked to the curb. I'm doubled over in laughter at the thought that somehow Matt Drudge and Rupert Murdoch are to blame. What lunacy!

But one campaign has all the political chits, the FBI files, the media minnions who lie and spin for them like they were Castro and the media was Granma. And that's the Clintons. Like Castro, I wouldn't count the Clintons dead until the autopsy.

If the Democrats are truly delousing themselves of the Billary infestation, one can only ask "what took you so long?". The rest of America had had enough of these grifters after the first six years.

No, I think the media latched onto them, hired their mouthpieces (Stephanopoulus, Carville, Begalla, et al) to spew their talking points for a generation and now see that the generation to come isn't buying their crap so they are belatedly jumping on board the next generation's flavor fave. That's what you are really seeing here - the Democrat electorate moving from one generation to a newer generation.

Obama is going to be swept into office in a landslide over the old, tired and untrustworthy McCain. There will be a media honeymoon for six months. There will be signs Obama isn't up to the job within the first year and America will do to him what Notre Dame did to Ty Willingham when Obama reaches 2012.

After all, the professional racial lobby still needs something to complain about after America elects their first (half) black president. If they can't get upset that America rejected him going in, at least they'll have the satisfaction of doing it on his way out.

Excellent post and by a fellow Texan at that!;)

[Old Dude]

Kudlow says it's over for Hillary:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjA5OTJmZDZhM2ViMGNmNjE2MTVlMzkyNTE3NTU5Njg=#mo re

Exit polls from Wisconsin say the trade protectionists went with Obama. Union members? Obama. People who think the economy’s in trouble? Obama. Folks who don’t think it’s in trouble? Obama. People making less than $50,000 a year? Obama. More than $50,000 a year? Obama.

And it only gets worse.

Voters went with Obama on healthcare by 8 points, on the economy by 16 points, and on Iraq by 20 points. Churchgoers and non-churchgoers went with Obama. Most qualified to be commander-in-chief? Obama. College degree or no college degree? Obama. Democrats, Republicans, and independents went with Obama. So did blacks and whites.

White women did in fact lean toward Hillary, by a small 52 to 47 percent margin. But Hillary only got 31 percent of the male vote while tying the female vote. White males? They went with Obama by a full 29 points.

Obama won both married men and women, and he tied on unmarried women — a heretofore Hillary stronghold. Most likely to unite the country? Obama, by almost 30 points. Most interested in improving relations with the rest of the world? Obama, 56 to 40.

You think these trends are going to change in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania? I don’t — no matter what last-gasp neutron-negativism tactics the Clinton team employs.

Bash Obama for plagiarizing Deval Patrick? That negativism backfired. Go after Michelle Obama’s incredible anti-American speech? Women are coming ’round to Obama, so try again. Go super-negative over the next two weeks? That’ll mean Obama beats Hillary by 35 points instead of 20. Lift the sanctions on the Michigan and Florida delegates? That’s an Obama trump card. Bribe or rent the super-delegates? Make my day, Obama is thinking.

[TailgateNut]

Kudlow says it's over for Hillary:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NjA5OTJmZDZhM2ViMGNmNjE2MTVlMzkyNTE3NTU5Njg=#mo re

Exit polls from Wisconsin say the trade protectionists went with Obama. Union members? Obama. People who think the economy’s in trouble? Obama. Folks who don’t think it’s in trouble? Obama. People making less than $50,000 a year? Obama. More than $50,000 a year? Obama.

And it only gets worse.

Voters went with Obama on healthcare by 8 points, on the economy by 16 points, and on Iraq by 20 points. Churchgoers and non-churchgoers went with Obama. Most qualified to be commander-in-chief? Obama. College degree or no college degree? Obama. Democrats, Republicans, and independents went with Obama. So did blacks and whites.

White women did in fact lean toward Hillary, by a small 52 to 47 percent margin. But Hillary only got 31 percent of the male vote while tying the female vote. White males? They went with Obama by a full 29 points.

Obama won both married men and women, and he tied on unmarried women — a heretofore Hillary stronghold. Most likely to unite the country? Obama, by almost 30 points. Most interested in improving relations with the rest of the world? Obama, 56 to 40.

You think these trends are going to change in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania? I don’t — no matter what last-gasp neutron-negativism tactics the Clinton team employs.

Bash Obama for plagiarizing Deval Patrick? That negativism backfired. Go after Michelle Obama’s incredible anti-American speech? Women are coming ’round to Obama, so try again. Go super-negative over the next two weeks? That’ll mean Obama beats Hillary by 35 points instead of 20. Lift the sanctions on the Michigan and Florida delegates? That’s an Obama trump card. Bribe or rent the super-delegates? Make my day, Obama is thinking.


How did the X Ron Paul voters vote? I we get those couple hundred, Hillary will be done.!Booya!

[Rohirrim]

I've got his new motto: Just throw out your brain, and get on the Obamatrain.

He's the political equivalent of the hula hoop. The human air ball. The walking fortune cookie. Mr. Pleasant Horoscope. The candidate of the Prozac generation.

[cutthemdown]

Clinton will hang in there and see if she wins some of the bigger states coming up.

[Spider]

I heard an Obama speech last night , well it woke me up cause I left my Serius radio on ........ All I remember is , saying to bad this **** did coke , or he would have my vote .....

[alkemical]

I've got his new motto: Just throw out your brain, and get on the Obamatrain.

He's the political equivalent of the hula hoop. The human air ball. The walking fortune cookie. Mr. Pleasant Horoscope. The candidate of the Prozac generation.

can you hand me my soma?

[Rohirrim]

can you hand me my soma?

Are you being sarcastic? What's your problem? You don't like change? Or you don't like hope? Obama is a change agent (like the guy at the arcade). I don't know which he's bringing first. One speech it's hope, the next it's change. Maybe he just hopes we'll change? Anyway, we're all going to change. It's change we want, and change we're going to get. Things are going to change around here. Change is coming. We need a change. I feel a change coming. Or is it hope? I hope it's change. Time for a change.

[alkemical]

Are you being sarcastic? What's your problem? You don't like change? Or you don't like hope? Obama is a change agent (like the guy at the arcade). I don't know which he's bringing first. One speech it's hope, the next it's change. Maybe he just hopes we'll change? Anyway, we're all going to change. It's change we want, and change we're going to get. Things are going to change around here. Change is coming. We need a change. I feel a change coming. Or is it hope? I hope it's change. Time for a change.

I have some change in my pocket, does that count?

[Bronco Bob]

We got change when Dubya became the media's chosen candidate over
Al Gore because Bush was warm and cuddly and Al Gore was a pompous stiff.
Look how well that worked out.

[Bronco Bob]

I heard an Obama speech last night , well it woke me up cause I left my Serius radio on ........ All I remember is , saying to bad this **** did coke , or he would have my vote .....

So did your leg get all tingly when you heard Obama speak?

[TailgateNut]

The Billarites and Paulites are uniting. Syncronized political drowning.LOL

[Spider]

So did your leg get all tingly when you heard Obama speak?

LOL , no but he was making sence .been along time since a politican has done that

[Old Dude]

Superdelegate shift in Jersey ...

Dana Redd and Donald Norcross, two superdelegates from New Jersey, both announced this morning that they are switching their backing from Clinton to Obama. Redd is a freshman state senator from Camden County (across the river from Philadelphia) while Norcross is the co-chairman of the Camden County Democratic Party and the President of the South Jersey A.F.L.-C.I.O. A handful of other Democrats from South Jersey -- including three county chairs, two state senators, a state assemblyman and the mayor of Camden -- joined them in flipping to Obama.

http://www.observer.com/2008/anatomy-defection-obama

See also:

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/20/two-new-jersey-superdelegates-now-back-obama/

[Inkana7]

Chea.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

LABF, you live in New York? Why aren't you N.Y. Broncos Fan?

???

Oh, I get it - you think I wrote that op-ed?

See link at the end.