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frerottenextelway
02-17-2008, 01:26 AM
As you may know, ''I lick Obama's nuts'' according to some here. I try to be fair despite my support for him, but much of the stuff here is dishonest hit pieces imo, but this piece brings a fair point I think.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/15/AR2008021503193.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

Mr. Obama's Waffle

AS RECENTLY as November, Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) was unequivocal about whether he would agree to take public financing for the general election if his Republican opponent pledged to do the same. "If you are nominated for president in 2008 and your major opponents agree to forgo private funding in the general election campaign, will you participate in the presidential public financing system?" the Midwest Democracy Network asked in a questionnaire. Mr. Obama's answer was clear. "Yes," he wrote. "If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election."

Or maybe not. Mr. Obama deserves credit for obtaining a ruling from the Federal Election Commission that allowed him to raise money for the general election campaign but reserve the right to return the funds if he were to win the nomination and manage to arrange a cease-fire with the other side. That outcome, once improbable, is now within reach. The presumptive Republican nominee, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, agreed long ago to Mr. Obama's deal, back when his prospects for securing the nomination seemed slim. Mr. McCain's campaign manager, Rick Davis, reaffirmed that pledge this week at a lunch with reporters sponsored by the Christian Science Monitor.

But Mr. Obama's campaign, which has been raking in money at an astonishing clip of more than $30 million a month, is starting to hedge. Speaking to the Associated Press, Mr. Obama's spokesman, Bill Burton, downgraded the Obama plan to "something that we pursued with the FEC and it was an option that we wanted on the table and is on the table." Asked about the campaign's earlier position, Mr. Burton said, "No, there is no pledge."

It must be tempting for a campaign that has reached dizzying new financial heights to give up the guarantee of $85 million in federal funds for the prospect of being able to rake in even more -- and to get a financial edge over an opponent whose fundraising has been lackluster and whose party seems dispirited. It must be chastening to think about the financial advantage that Mr. McCain will have in the months leading up to the convention, when Mr. Obama and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (N.Y.), his remaining Democratic opponent, may still be battling for the nomination while Mr. McCain is spending "primary" money to build the necessary architecture for the general election.

But this kind of backtracking and parsing isn't what the millions of voters who have been inspired by Mr. Obama are looking for. It's not befitting Mr. Obama's well-earned image as a champion of reform. Instead of waffling, Mr. Obama should be pushing Ms. Clinton to go beyond her spokesman's statements that she would "definitely consider" forgoing public financing.

Why not let the candidates raise as much cash as they can and save the taxpayers' money? Because it's better for voters if candidates spend more time talking to them and less time cozying up to donors. It's better for democracy if candidates are less indebted to big bundlers who have raked in six- or seven-figure amounts for their campaigns. Mr. McCain seems to understand this. What about the Democrats?

If they didn't throw in the last two lines, I'd say this is a great piece. McCain, with all due respect, wouldn't throw away the money advantage either based on principle here.

Edit: Cozying up to donors is unfair too. Obama's money is being raised through small donors on the net. Just ignore the entire last paragraph, and there's a legit point there.

W*GS
02-17-2008, 02:21 AM
What the hell are taxpayers doing funding politicians' campaigns?

I don't support any of the current crop of scumb- err, candidates; why am I being forced to support them regardless? It's just another way for scumb- err, candidates to get their mitts on our money.

TexanBob
02-17-2008, 03:05 AM
Every campaign claims their money is being raised from the grassroots but everyone knows that once you look like the nominee, the corporate money will flow in like honey.

It's very simple. Let's say I'm XYZ Corp and make $100 mil selling gollywags worldwide. If there is government policy that could affect my business, I'm going to give the max allowed by law to the most likely winners to insulate me from getting shafted by the government in power. I'm also going to donate to the chairman and other members of the committee or subcommittee that has regulatory powers over my business. It doesn't matter if those people are Republicans or Democrats. You shell out the money for "protection", just as neighborhoods used to do to mafia dons.

Look what happened to Microsoft when Bill Gates forgot to play that game. The Justice Department came down on them and forced them to stop bundling the Windows operating system with their browser and media player.

Businesses see that and know they have to buy in to the protection racket. So, they're going to shell out the bucks to Obama, just as they are the Clintons and McCain. To the businessman, it's just a part of the business they have to do to stay afloat, just like a drug dealer pays off a cop to look the other way. It's the same thing.

Now, as to this "pledge", what almost always happens is one party or the other renegs and so they both suckle at the guaranteed teat of the federal pig while pointing the finger of blame at the other for "breaking their promise". We see the same thing with "negative campaigning". They both do it. They'd just like you to think the other one "started it".

cutthemdown
02-17-2008, 12:46 PM
What the hell are taxpayers doing funding politicians' campaigns?

I don't support any of the current crop of scumb- err, candidates; why am I being forced to support them regardless? It's just another way for scumb- err, candidates to get their mitts on our money.

you are not forced. Just don't check the 3 dollar box on tax return.

cutthemdown
02-17-2008, 12:47 PM
It's all stupid anyways. I don't think commercials even help. It's all about what the media says.

cutthemdown
02-17-2008, 12:48 PM
they should just write checks to newscasters to say that they are winning. If Americans hear you are winning they will vote for you. We love a winner!!!

SoCalBronco
02-17-2008, 11:34 PM
When I see posters of Che Guevara at Obama Headquarters...........that's a cause for concern. The thing with the flag will also be problematic for him from a PR standpoint. It shocks me that a team that is obviously so media savvy is stupid enough to expose themselves to things like that....these things will be very useful to use in grainy campaign commercials, Team Obama should be smart enough to know that they shouldn't be creating needless problems for themselves.

frerottenextelway
02-18-2008, 12:20 AM
When I see posters of Che Guevara at Obama Headquarters...........that's a cause for concern. The thing with the flag will also be problematic for him from a PR standpoint. It shocks me that a team that is obviously so media savvy is stupid enough to expose themselves to things like that....these things will be very useful to use in grainy campaign commercials, Team Obama should be smart enough to know that they shouldn't be creating needless problems for themselves.

Of course, there's that small issue of what you said being completely false. Whenever a state is coming up for a vote, there are offices that open up in each state. There are literally hundreds of these for each campaign, and are consisted of unpaid local volunteers who support that candidate. I don't think any reasonable person point to one or two of these and legitametly call it their ''Headquarters'', especially if neither Obama or Plouffe has even been there even once in their entire life. I'm more than willing to attack B.O. for any legit reason, but you're spouting nonsense hyperbole.

SoCalBronco
02-18-2008, 12:29 AM
Of course, there's that small issue of what you said being completely false. Whenever a state is coming up for a vote, there are offices that open up in each state. There are literally hundreds of these for each campaign, and are consisted of unpaid local volunteers who support that candidate. I don't think any reasonable person point to one or two of these and legitametly call it their ''Headquarters'', especially if neither Obama or Plouffe has even been there even once in their entire life. I'm more than willing to attack B.O. for any legit reason, but you're spouting nonsense hyperbole.

Team Obama should be smart enough to make sure that NO PICTURES are taken of this stuff, regardless if its just a (regional) field office or whatever. These types of things are horrible for PR, they need to take precautions. That's what I'm saying...they act like they are so savvy but he goes and doesnt put his hand over his heart when the other two folks are doing it, that is NOT going to play well, its IRRELEVANT what the reasons are, or if its taken out of context or whatever (People took the 100 years thing McCain said completely out of context, do you think the context mattered there? No. He's getting hammered for it unfairly, but at the same time, he should be smart enough to know not to give people these little soundbytes that can be twisted....again poor foresight and poor PR) its not going to play well, that is the ONLY thing that matters. They need to be alot less careless with this stuff.

frerottenextelway
02-18-2008, 12:41 AM
Team Obama should be smart enough to make sure that NO PICTURES are taken of this stuff, regardless if its just a (regional) field office or whatever. These types of things are horrible for PR, they need to take precautions. That's what I'm saying...they act like they are so savvy but he goes and doesnt put his hand over his heart when the other two folks are doing it, that is NOT going to play well, its IRRELEVANT what the reasons are, or if its taken out of context or whatever (People took the 100 years thing McCain said completely out of context, do you think the context mattered there? No. He's getting hammered for it unfairly, but at the same time, he should be smart enough to know not to give people these little soundbytes that can be twisted....again poor foresight and poor PR) its not going to play well, that is the ONLY thing that matters. They need to be alot less careless with this stuff.

Is it a regional field office or their "Headquarters"?

Obama's campaign has played all of this type of stuff magnificently. You (in the broad sense of the word) want to use this against him, be prepared to linked to the ''politics of yesterday'' and not an ''agent of change''. You're going be the one effected more negatively (can this even be debated at this point?) than him, and that is the ONLY thing that matters (to steal your line). Plouffe is a damn genius.

SoCalBronco
02-18-2008, 12:49 AM
Is it a regional field office or their "Headquarters"?

Obama's campaign has played all of this type of stuff magnificently. You (in the broad sense of the word) want to use this against him, be prepared to linked to the ''politics of yesterday'' and not an ''agent of change''. You're going be the one effected more negatively (can this even be debated at this point?) than him, and that is the ONLY thing that matters (to steal your line). Plouffe is a damn genius.

Eh...they've benefitted from media adoration and also from Barack's outstanding skills as a charasmatic speaker and a motivator, inspirer etc., but they allow these small things to happen needlessly over and over again. A little foresight would be helpful to them.

In any case, I look forward to your jousting with Bronco Bob in the next few weeks. It should be some good stuff. :)

frerottenextelway
02-18-2008, 01:04 AM
Eh...they've benefitted from media adoration and also from Barack's outstanding skills as a charasmatic speaker and a motivator, inspirer etc., but they allow these small things to happen needlessly over and over again. A little foresight would be helpful to them.

In any case, I look forward to your jousting with Bronco Bob in the next few weeks. It should be some good stuff. :)

Bob sure posted a lot more around here before the Potomac primaries. ;)

As for the specific point, you can't control what some unpaid volunteer you've never met that does something somewhere you've never been. Imo, that would be comparable to Bronco organization being expected to be responsible for something some schmuck might say on the Orangemane.

In any event, Plouffe's ''I'm rubber, you're glue...'' campaign will be a staple for years to come. Negative attacks have done nothing but raise Obama in the polls.

frerottenextelway
02-18-2008, 01:07 AM
From Drudge

"FLASH: McCain advisers will ask White House to deploy president for fundraising but don't want president to appear too often at McCain's side... Developing..."

... and there goes McCain's best talking point.

SoCalBronco
02-18-2008, 01:12 AM
From Drudge

"FLASH: McCain advisers will ask White House to deploy president for fundraising but don't want president to appear too often at McCain's side... Developing..."

... and there goes McCain's best talking point.

Hopefully none of these appearances or fundraising dinners will be taped. No media, period.

frerottenextelway
02-18-2008, 01:18 AM
Hopefully none of these appearances or fundraising dinners will be taped. No media, period.

Not off to a good start when it's alread highlighted on Drudge with a picture that looks like McCain and Bush are about to make out.

SoCalBronco
02-18-2008, 01:22 AM
Not off to a good start when it's alread highlighted on Drudge with a picture that looks like McCain and Bush are about to make out.

Yes...that is definitely not a helpful picture.

cutthemdown
02-18-2008, 01:39 AM
I still think McCain comes out looking good if Iraqi violence stays were it is or improves. He's the only one that supported the surge and said it could work to stabalize the country. It makes it look like he is the more patient leader.

Now if Iraq falls apart I think McCain is sunk.