McCain: "100 years in Iraq"

[BowlenBall]

from CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/mccain.king/index.html

While I like McCain in general, I think this statement is gonna cost him the election.

Comments?

[epicSocialism4tw]

I dislike the guy about as much as you can dislike a politician, but I think that he's much closer to being correct than someone who thinks its reasonable to just pick up and leave it to become Iran's plaything.

Iraq is a long-term project.

[orinjkrush]

America will probably be militarily engaged on a large scale in many places on the globe for as long as America survives. eewaaq is just one. Worry when we aren't.

[CHANGSTER]

America will probably be militarily engaged on a large scale in many places on the globe for as long as America survives. eewaaq is just one. Worry when we aren't.

Yep, its not an outrageous comment. Just how it goes.

[RocBronc]

It won't cost him the election half as much as pulling the troops out now from Obama will...

We're making progress in Iraq now... This isn't a year ago when even a supporter of the war like me had to admit things were not going well there but it's different now... Why would any politician want to withdraw from a conflict where we're making good progress and almost no casualties???

P.S. I guarantee whoever the winner of the presidency is won't withdraw all or most of our troops from Iraq right away.

[Houshyamama]

I dislike the guy about as much as you can dislike a politician, but I think that he's much closer to being correct than someone who thinks its reasonable to just pick up and leave it to become Iran's plaything.

Iraq is a long-term project.

This much?

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/741/129503.JPG

[montrose]

This is going to be a fun election.

[ro_50]

Obama never said an immediate withdrawal, but a gradual one.

[Chris]

Obama is actually being reasonable. He said he's going to listen to Petraeus and others on the ground.

This is the biggest thing Mccain has going for him as I'm concerned. The "100 years" statement was a poorly phrased way of saying whatever it takes (in political terms).

If the US pulls out of Iraq now then several hundred thousand Iraqis, hundreds of British / coalition and 3000 American troops have died for no reason because I assure you the forces that have been kept at bay will reappear and will continue to terrorise Iraq before launching attacks on us and giving Al Qaeda the greatest training ground its ever had.

[Houshyamama]

Obama is actually being reasonable. He said he's going to listen to Petraeus and others on the ground.

This is the biggest thing Mccain has going for him as I'm concerned. The "100 years" statement was a poorly phrased way of saying whatever it takes (in political terms).

If the US pulls out of Iraq now then 3000 people have died for no reason becaise I assure you the forces that have been kept at bay will reappear and will continue to terrorise Iraq before launching attacks on us and giving Al Qaeda the greatest training ground its ever had.

That's fine with me, let them fight amongst themselves. Al Qaeda was really born of the Afgani-Soviet stuggle and they're methods and ideology merely turned on us. If we remove ourselves they have no option but to squabble and kill each other. I am looking forward to the day when the oil fields of the middle east are meaningless.

[TailgateNut]

Obama is actually being reasonable. He said he's going to listen to Petraeus and others on the ground.

This is the biggest thing Mccain has going for him as I'm concerned. The "100 years" statement was a poorly phrased way of saying whatever it takes (in political terms).

If the US pulls out of Iraq now then 3000 people have died for no reason becaise I assure you the forces that have been kept at bay will reappear and will continue to terrorise Iraq before launching attacks on us and giving Al Qaeda the greatest training ground its ever had.

Where do I start?

3000 people. Math issues?
Saying "100 years" is just phrasing it incorrectly?

The forces which have been "kept at bay" are there in Iraq only because were are in Iraq.

We are the ones' giving Al Queda the training ground/ err targets.

[sirhcyennek81]

Going on 70 years in Germany, Japan, 65 in South Korea...

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

Where do I start?

3000 people. Math issues?
Saying "100 years" is just phrasing it incorrectly?

The forces which have been "kept at bay" are there in Iraq only because were are in Iraq.

We are the ones' giving Al Queda the training ground/ err targets.


I am sure Iraq never had a single terrorist inside their borders until March, 2003.

:Broncos:

[want2bAbronco2]

Where do I start?

3000 people. Math issues?
Saying "100 years" is just phrasing it incorrectly?

The forces which have been "kept at bay" are there in Iraq only because were are in Iraq.

We are the ones' giving Al Queda the training ground/ err targets.

um no. if that were true, 9/11, 1st trade center, and cole all wouldnt have happened. anyone that thinks if we pull out and al queda will just fight among themselves or leave us alone is just stupid.

[Broncomutt]

This much?

http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/741/129503.JPG

I found this response morbidly humorous.

I don't think I've ever experienced that sensation before.

[missingnumber7]

Going on 70 years in Germany, Japan, 65 in South Korea...

:Broncos:

You forget that the most amazing one in my mind is that we still are in Kosovo.

[TailgateNut]

um no. if that were true, 9/11, 1st trade center, and cole all wouldnt have happened. anyone that thinks if we pull out and al queda will just fight among themselves or leave us alone is just stupid.


Get on board. We were talking about being/ occupying IRAQ.

[Paladin]

The deaths in Viet Nam made no sense, either, and that was an entirely wasted adventure wrapped up on lies and deceit. There had been several where things went okay in the end: Korea is one, although I harbor very prejudicial feelings towards the N. Koreans because they killed my dad and that "leader" is crazy as h3ll.

The "100 years" statement is a bit too expansive for me. I do believe that the whole issue that Americans may pull out is forcing the Iraqi "government" to finally begin to reconcile their various differences, real or imagined, and they're starting to realize that either Obama or Clinton will be studying ways to reduce the footprint in that country, albeit gradually but surely.

If McCain can deal with the other important socioeconomic issues, balance the budget, reduce the National Debt and keep troops at the same level at the same time in Iraq, he should have shared that plan eons ago. I do not trust a person who is eager to maintain a "raised bicep" silhouette anywhere while ignoring the costs in treasure and lives.

I don't think he meant at the same level. If a small detachment remains for Embassy Duty, that's keeping a military presence, isn't it? I also think Kuwait would like to keep a small US base there because that group of "Royals" know the value of having an American base nearby.

I will wait and see what the campaign smokes out of either or all candidates before I end up picking one. In the meantime, I regard McCain's statement as hyperbolic grandstanding.....

[TailgateNut]

I am sure Iraq never had a single terrorist inside their borders until March, 2003.

:Broncos:


another idiotic comment. There's a big difference between one terrorist and the numbers which have migrated into that country due to our presence.

[sirhcyennek81]

The deaths in Viet Nam made no sense, either, and that was an entirely wasted adventure wrapped up on lies and deceit. There had been several where things went okay in the end: Korea is one, although I harbor very prejudicial feelings towards the N. Koreans because they killed my dad and that "leader" is crazy as h3ll.

The "100 years" statement is a bit too expansive for me. I do believe that the whole issue that Americans may pull out is forcing the Iraqi "government" to finally begin to reconcile their various differences, real or imagined, and they're starting to realize that either Obama or Clinton will be studying ways to reduce the footprint in that country, albeit gradually but surely.

If McCain can deal with the other important socioeconomic issues, balance the budget, reduce the National Debt and keep troops at the same level at the same time in Iraq, he should have shared that plan eons ago. I do not trust a person who is eager to maintain a "raised bicep" silhouette anywhere while ignoring the costs in treasure and lives.

I don't think he meant at the same level. If a small detachment remains for Embassy Duty, that's keeping a military presence, isn't it? I also think Kuwait would like to keep a small US base there because that group of "Royals" know the value of having an American base nearby.

I will wait and see what the campaign smokes out of either or all candidates before I end up picking one. In the meantime, I regard McCain's statement as hyperbolic grandstanding.....


McCain I wont vote for simply because of his immigration "policy". The fact his hispanic advisor held a government position in Mexico that aided illegals bugs the **** out of me. This is the man who said the US and Mexico were not seperate countries but a "region".

:Broncos:

[sirhcyennek81]

another idiotic comment. There's a big difference between one terrorist and the numbers which have migrated into that country due to our presence.


Is this how this goes, disagree and get called idiotic? There is no difference between one terrorist or 1,000. Their purpose is to create chaos and anarchy and fear.


:Broncos:

[TailgateNut]

There is no difference between one terrorist or 1,000.


:Broncos:
Tell that fairy tale to our dead soldiers.


Another Bush Voter exposes himself to the public.LOL

[Houshyamama]

Is this how this goes, disagree and get called idiotic? There is no difference between one terrorist or 1,000. Their purpose is to create chaos and anarchy and fear.


:Broncos:

So you're saying they all wake up in the morning and say, hey I know what I'm going to do today! I'll "create chaos and anarchy and fear" in the hearts of the protectors of liberty and democracy! That is such a gross oversimplification it makes my head hurt.

[want2bAbronco2]

Tell that fairy tale to our dead soldiers.


Another Bush Voter exposes himself to the public.LOL


Who cares if he was/is a bush voter?

and the last time i checked the military was optional, no one had to join.

[yavoon]

So you're saying they all wake up in the morning and say, hey I know what I'm going to do today! I'll "create chaos and anarchy and fear" in the hearts of the protectors of liberty and democracy! That is such a gross oversimplification it makes my head hurt.

its essentially correct, the "insurgency" in iraq targeted whomever was the softest target for the explicit purpose of destabilization.

take some aspirin.

[yavoon]

Who cares if he was/is a bush voter?

and the last time i checked the military was optional, no one had to join.

tailgate relates all things political to whether you voted for bush or not. its a psychotic hatred manifested in obsession.

[Dudeskey]

from CNN.com:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/14/mccain.king/index.html

While I like McCain in general, I think this statement is gonna cost him the election.

Comments?

Not just that, his vote the other day that contradicts his "I don't believe in torture" stance will hurt him too

[want2bAbronco2]

Not just that, his vote the other day that contradicts his "I don't believe in torture" stance will hurt him too

didnt see it, what was it?

Also, someone said something about McCains boarder polices, I think he changed his stance. I didnt like his views on them, but they are 1000x better then Oboma/Hilary trying pass Illegal Aliens getting driver licesnces.

[sirhcyennek81]

Tell that fairy tale to our dead soldiers.


Another Bush Voter exposes himself to the public.LOL


Fairy tale...dude you have problems.


:Broncos:

[TailgateNut]

didnt see it, what was it?

Also, someone said something about McCains boarder polices, I think he changed his stance. I didnt like his views on them, but they are 1000x better then Oboma/Hilary trying pass Illegal Aliens getting driver licesnces.

He doesn't like "boarders"? So he's like the cop in Baltimore.Hilarious!

[Houshyamama]

its essentially correct, the "insurgency" in iraq targeted whomever was the softest target for the explicit purpose of destabilization.

take some aspirin.

Taken. Their purpose is to 'do God's will'. Are you telling me these men blow themselves up for the sole purpose of creating fear in the enemy? No, it is a cult of martyrdom, founded in the most basic principle of this insurgency. These men are being used by the leaders of these 'terrorist' groups such as Al Qaeda.

[TailgateNut]

Fairy tale...dude you have problems.


:Broncos:


I could always be like you. Afraid of the next day!

Do you get up and find out what the Terror alert color of the day is before proceeding with life.

[sirhcyennek81]

didnt see it, what was it?

Also, someone said something about McCains boarder polices, I think he changed his stance. I didnt like his views on them, but they are 1000x better then Oboma/Hilary trying pass Illegal Aliens getting driver licesnces.


McCain has not changed his stance on it, and it cost him alot of votes to huckabee and romney in his home state in the primary.

:Broncos:

[MplsBronco]

If the US pulls out of Iraq now then several hundred thousand Iraqis, hundreds of British / coalition and 3000 American troops have died for no reason because I assure you the forces that have been kept at bay will reappear and will continue to terrorise Iraq before launching attacks on us and giving Al Qaeda the greatest training ground its ever had.

I've got news for you, these people have already died for nothing but a lie.

[sirhcyennek81]

I could always be like you. Afraid of the next day!

Do you get up and find out what the Terror alert color of the day is before proceeding with life.


I dont think I said I was afraid. You are interjecting, badly. For clarification, the definition of terrorism is this:

ter·ror·ist /ˈtɛrərɪst/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ter-er-ist] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. a person, usually a member of a group, who uses or advocates terrorism.
2. a person who terrorizes or frightens others.

Now show me where I said I was afraid.

:Broncos:

[Spider]

ROFL! I cant believe people still fall for this bull****

[sirhcyennek81]

I've got news for you, these people have already died for nothing but a lie.


I am sorry you feel that way.

:Broncos:

[MplsBronco]

I am sorry you feel that way.

:Broncos:

How could you not?

[want2bAbronco2]

Now i see why everyone ignores tailgatenut! Not worth wasting the time!

Sirhcyennek81 Ill have to look that up, had some ppl talking about that last night, and didnt pay attention to them.

[yavoon]

Taken. Their purpose is to 'do God's will'. Are you telling me these men blow themselves up for the sole purpose of creating fear in the enemy? No, it is a cult of martyrdom, founded in the most basic principle of this insurgency. These men are being used by the leaders of these 'terrorist' groups such as Al Qaeda.

well in terms of recruiting it is a cult of martyrdom, in terms of strategic operations it was destabilization by any means necessary.

=D

[Spider]

so many people take what they see on CNN and fox as gospel , or want everything explained in a lightning round type of debate ..... Make decisions off of that ... Make no mistake about it , you cant fit daylight between the difference in Hillary , Obama , or McCain ......
well maybe Obama you can but not much .....
The real rabel rousers are gone , and that is by design , and very few take Ron Paul serious .... I wont point to any one , but there are alot of ****ing ignorant people , posting in this thread , the thought of them being able to vote terrifies me .......
I understand not alot of people have the time or the ability to get alot of info pumped to them , I have serius sat in my truck , I can get news 24/7 from 3 political formats , Talk left , Fox, Patriot Radio .........
but make an effort to educate yourself , before you put another Bush or Carter in office ..........

[TailgateNut]

Now i see why everyone ignores tailgatenut! Not worth wasting the time!

Sirhcyennek81 Ill have to look that up, had some ppl talking about that last night, and didnt pay attention to them.


Then ignore me. No sweat off my back.

Be afraid, be very afraid. The terrorists are coming. As SIR whatever says:"There is no difference between one terrorist or 1,000"ROFL!

You f-ers support sending and keeping our troops over there, because you are afraid. BOO!

[Spider]

Now i see why everyone ignores tailgatenut! Not worth wasting the time!

Sirhcyennek81 Ill have to look that up, had some ppl talking about that last night, and didnt pay attention to them.

everyone ? ...... LOL you got some inside info as to what people do here ?

[Spider]

Then ignore me. No sweat off my back.

Be afraid, be very afraid. The terrorists are coming. As SIR whatever says:"There is no difference between one terrorist or 1,000"ROFL!

You f-ers support sending and keeping our troops over there, because you are afraid. BOO!

LOL well if it helps , you , the Dave , Hotrod are on my ignore list also ;D

[want2bAbronco2]

everyone keeps acting like they know what to do/what should have been done or what the terrorist do/would have done. Be interesting to know how many ppl have been in the military, had to make military decisions or talked/worked with a terrorist. Or how they came by such great understanding of everything.

[Spider]

everyone keeps acting like they know what to do/what should have been done or what the terrorist do/would have done. Be interesting to know how many ppl have been in the military, had to make military decisions or talked/worked with a terrorist. Or how they came by such great understanding of everything.

Not hard to figure out genius ....... 19 people get on different air planes with box cutters ....... I know diabolical geniuses , unstoppable force , but we could have tried better security ........ Sir why are you getting on this plane with a box cutter ?
Naw that would have been way to difficult

[Spider]

But if we would have used the security we already had in place , we wouldnt be in this mess .... This isnt hard to figure out ..... We overreacted , Remember Freedom fries ?

[Crushaholic]

But if we would have used the security we already had in place , we wouldnt be in this mess .... This isnt hard to figure out ..... We overreacted , Remember Freedom fries ?

You would have a valid point if this was an isolated incident. The reality is that hatred for Americans have been building in that region for many decades. We just took it for granted that the hatred lay dormant.

[want2bAbronco2]

They should have had better security, because that kinda of thing happened so many times before! Nothing like that had happened before. Rules come becuase of things like that happening. Just like everyone saying the college shooting shouldnt have happened. How were they suppose to stop them? Oh sure the one at VT had mental problems, but if you tried to screen everyone, you wouldnt have time/man power and someone would sue for some reason or another!

Ppl keep talking about the war (and it is important) but not many seem to talk about the gangs/murder in the USA. How many were killed in the military last yr vs gangs in USA? All life is equally important but civs going to work is different then signing up for military. How about the fact that we have one of the worset gang in the world MS13 (some ine Colo Springs) in the USA. FBI #1 gang, other gangs wont even go near them because of how ruthless they are. I don't see ppl asking the candidates about that problem.

[Spider]

You would have a valid point if this was an isolated incident. The reality is that hatred for Americans have been building in that region for many decades. We just took it for granted that the hatred lay dormant.

It has never laid dormant , you can go all the way to 1979 and Iran hostages to Beruit in 83 , Leon Klinghoffer on that cruise ship , Kobal Towers , embassy bombing , there was always something gong on , 93 WTC bombings ......

[Spider]

They should have had better security, because that kinda of thing happened so many times before! Nothing like that had happened before. Rules come becuase of things like that happening. Just like everyone saying the college shooting shouldnt have happened. How were they suppose to stop them? Oh sure the one at VT had mental problems, but if you tried to screen everyone, you wouldnt have time/man power and someone would sue for some reason or another!

Ppl keep talking about the war (and it is important) but not many seem to talk about the gangs/murder in the USA. How many were killed in the military last yr vs gangs in USA? All life is equally important but civs going to work is different then signing up for military. How about the fact that we have one of the worset gang in the world MS13 (some ine Colo Springs) in the USA. FBI #1 gang, other gangs wont even go near them because of how ruthless they are. I don't see ppl asking the candidates about that problem.

ROFL! , so you are saying no one should have questioned what do you need a box cutter on a plane , cause it has never happened before ?
ROFL! .... ok .....As for the rest .... Bull****

[Spider]

ROFL! . a box cutter is a utility knife , and no one has ever tried to baord a plane with a knife before ROFL! ......

[want2bAbronco2]

should they have questioned, sure....but you act as if it was hard to sneak something on a plane. airport security workers never thought they had a reason to worry. if you dont think there is danger why worry. im sure ppl have taken knifes or box cutters on a plane before and didnt know it.

bs? what that more ppl die to gangs/murder? im sure it is wrong and will all go away if ppl keep ignoring it!

[want2bAbronco2]

ROFL! . a box cutter is a utility knife , and no one has ever tried to baord a plane with a knife before ROFL! ......

yea ok....we have metal detectors and staff searching you/bags where i work and the other day someone had a long screw driver and a knife.....he forgot it was in the bag, since he uses them for his other job. stuff like that happens all the time.

[Spider]

should they have questioned, sure....but you act as if it was hard to sneak something on a plane. airport security workers never thought they had a reason to worry. if you dont think there is danger why worry. im sure ppl have taken knifes or box cutters on a plane before and didnt know it. LOL ......you miss the point junior ..... but I am sure this is nothing new

bs? what that more ppl die to gangs/murder? im sure it is wrong and will all go away if ppl keep ignoring it!

No dumbass , the point is Gangs/ Drugs is a domestic problem , Iraq is an optional problem , Iraq cost us more money then gangsters .......

[Spider]

yea ok....we have metal detectors and staff searching you/bags where i work and the other day someone had a long screw driver and a knife.....he forgot it was in the bag, since he uses them for his other job. stuff like that happens all the time.
we have had Metal detectors for a long time ..... pre 9-11 . and gasp ..... even in air ports ....... all secuirty had to do was do the job they are paid to do .. really isnt that much to ask of anyone is it ?

[want2bAbronco2]

No dumbass , the point is Gangs/ Drugs is a domestic problem , Iraq is an optional problem , Iraq cost us more money then gangsters .......


Oh, I gotcha....its the money not people dying. Gang/Drug problem is optional as well, since no one takes actions to stop it. If ppl put as much effort into creating a solution for the war and gangs instead of b!tching all the time things might get better!

[Spider]

Look I dont mean to be harsh , but you are having a hard time seperating domestic issues from forign issues , making excuses .......
I am in my 40's , I learned excuses dont cut it , being laxed in your job doesnt cut it , and making excuses for these people just encourages this behavior .....
Bush still has to answer for his crimes , I dont think he ever will , but that a different subject , Now it is up to you to eductae yourself on issues and where you personaly stand on them , and vote for the person you most agree with , if yo uhave to make excuses for your candidate ,you are off to a bad start

[want2bAbronco2]

we have had Metal detectors for a long time ..... pre 9-11 . and gasp ..... even in air ports ....... all secuirty had to do was do the job they are paid to do .. really isnt that much to ask of anyone is it ?

ppl get complacent all the time (i dont agree with it, just a fact of life). How many times have you taken something into a music consert, movie theater, or Sporting event that you werent suppose to? It doesn't matter what you have in place if you want to get around something/someone all it takes is time and planing. Airport security is a 100x better now, but dont think the exact samething couldnt happen again.

[Spider]

Oh, I gotcha....its the money not people dying. Gang/Drug problem is optional as well, since no one takes actions to stop it. If ppl put as much effort into creating a solution for the war and gangs instead of b!tching all the time things might get better!

Hey look as long as you have poverty , you will have this problem , I know this is a shock , but it is life , Iraq is a self created Problems from back in the 60's when the CIA helped put Saddam in power ..... Then we could Call Ronnie Reagan the first cut and runner over beruit etc .....

[Spider]

ppl get complacent all the time (i dont agree with it, just a fact of life). How many times have you taken something into a music consert, movie theater, or Sporting event that you werent suppose to? It doesn't matter what you have in place if you want to get around something/someone all it takes is time and planing. Airport security is a 100x better now, but dont think the exact samething couldnt happen again.

well you aint paid to think , and I dont take things into public places that are not allowed there ...... simple as that.....

[want2bAbronco2]

Look I dont mean to be harsh , but you are having a hard time seperating domestic issues from forign issues , making excuses .......
I am in my 40's , I learned excuses dont cut it , being laxed in your job doesnt cut it , and making excuses for these people just encourages this behavior .....
Bush still has to answer for his crimes , I dont think he ever will , but that a different subject , Now it is up to you to eductae yourself on issues and where you personaly stand on them , and vote for the person you most agree with , if yo uhave to make excuses for your candidate ,you are off to a bad start


I agree with you. I am not making excuses for any candidate let alone mine, since I have never said who I am voting for. I was simply pointing out that ppl need to put as much effort into ppl dying in the USA as overseas.

"Bush still has to answer for his crimes " What crimes? Sure some ppl may not like him, or agree with him, or say he lied, but what president hasnt? If you say he got ppl killed, how about Clinton letting the Cole get bombed and doing nothing about it. Not sure about you, but I went to boot camp with ppl on the Cole.

Honestly I don't like any candidate. They all have negative things about them. Have to pretty much vote for who you think will do the best job/lie to you the least. Almost all politions are liers and thiefs. I just dont know how you get them out and get ppl in you trust (but of course the samething would start over again, human nature).

[want2bAbronco2]

well you aint paid to think , and I dont take things into public places that are not allowed there ...... simple as that.....

I wish it was that simple! but as long as there are rules ppl will break them.

[want2bAbronco2]

Hey look as long as you have poverty , you will have this problem , I know this is a shock , but it is life

I understand that 100%, but you dont have to add to the problem by ignoring it, or creating safe havens, or not punishing ppl. Lots of other countries have more ppl and less crime then we do, I think we should be able to fix or at least improve our system.

[Spider]

I agree with you. I am not making excuses for any candidate let alone mine, since I have never said who I am voting for. I was simply pointing out that ppl need to put as much effort into ppl dying in the USA as overseas. ok

"Bush still has to answer for his crimes " What crimes? Sure some ppl may not like him, or agree with him, or say he lied, but what president hasnt? Now here is where you are bull****ting ..... and this is what I am talking about ..... pure ignorence , and you can vote .......


If you say he got ppl killed, how about Clinton letting the Cole get bombed and doing nothing about it. Not sure about you, but I went to boot camp with ppl on the Cole. then read up who was responcible for the cole and the investigation , dont let those peoples memory be cheapened by a ****ing lie ....... you do them no service by not searching for the truth about the investigation .......

Honestly I don't like any candidate. They all have negative things about them. Have to pretty much vote for who you think will do the best job/lie to you the least. Almost all politions are liers and thiefs. I just dont know how you get them out and get ppl in you trust (but of course the samething would start over again, human nature).
all politics are local start there , then work your way up

[Spider]

I wish it was that simple! but as long as there are rules ppl will break them.

could that be why we have security in the first place ?

[Spider]

I understand that 100%, but you dont have to add to the problem by ignoring it, or creating safe havens, or not punishing ppl. Lots of other countries have more ppl and less crime then we do, I think we should be able to fix or at least improve our system.

LOL arepublican lecturing me on social ills , did you enjoy that tax cut Bra ? Hilarious!

[want2bAbronco2]

"Iraq is a self created Problems from back in the 60's when the CIA helped put Saddam in power ..... Then we could Call Ronnie Reagan the first cut and runner over beruit etc "

Honestly don't know much at all about that.... will have to look it up and read about it. If you don't mind telling, who do you like and why?

[Spider]

"Iraq is a self created Problems from back in the 60's when the CIA helped put Saddam in power ..... Then we could Call Ronnie Reagan the first cut and runner over beruit etc "

Honestly don't know much at all about that.... will have to look it up and read about it. If you don't mind telling, who do you like and why?

I am writting in Stevie Wonder .... Iam a card arrying Democrat , but I cant vote for the ones we have now ....

[want2bAbronco2]

I am writting in Stevie Wonder .... Iam a card arrying Democrat , but I cant vote for the ones we have now ....

Agree, sad when you have to choose to not vote or vote for the lesser of 2 evils.

[Spider]

Agree, sad when you have to choose to not vote or vote for the lesser of 2 evils.
I cant vote Obama , coke use .....
I cant vote Hillary cause when she was with Wal mart she didnt do a damn thing to help Labor ....
McCain lost my respect when he sucked up to Bush jr .....
I like Edwards , I just wish he wasnt such a puss .....
I liked Clark , but .....

[want2bAbronco2]

lol.... well I have some stuff to do at work. Anyways fun debating! You gave me some info that I need to look up.

[Spider]

lol.... well I have some stuff to do at work. Anyways fun debating! You gave me some info that I need to look up.

good day Bro ...... ;D

[Dudeskey]

didnt see it, what was it?

Also, someone said something about McCains boarder polices, I think he changed his stance. I didnt like his views on them, but they are 1000x better then Oboma/Hilary trying pass Illegal Aliens getting driver licesnces.

Here you go:

http://weblogs.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/mccain_votes_against_ban_on_wa.html

[TailgateNut]

Airport security is a 100x better now, but dont think the exact samething couldnt happen again.


Righto. That's why undercover agents have been able to smuggle bomb making mtls on board.

It's just there to make the fraidycats feel secure, and keep people from using alternative travel methods.
Making me take of my damn shoes every time I go through security is hilarious.
The last time I went through Homeland security the idiots looked at the wrong airline ticket (Miami to Denver, when I was traveling from Aruba to Miami) and still allowed me through. Great job Barney Fife!

[Bronco Bob]

Not hard to figure out genius ....... 19 people get on different air planes with box cutters ....... I know diabolical geniuses , unstoppable force , but we could have tried better security ........ Sir why are you getting on this plane with a box cutter ?
Naw that would have been way to difficult

Well, the deal with the box cutters are they are mostly plastic, with just
a small piece of metal for the blade. So they wouldn't have set off a
metal detector. That means no one would ask them why they had box
cutters because no one would have known they did have them.

Just like no one thought of someone hiding a bomb in a shoe.
So no one was looking at shoes. And that wouldn't have set
off any alarms either. Now we have to take our shoes off
because we know better.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

They should have had better security, because that kinda of thing happened so many times before! Nothing like that had happened before. Rules come becuase of things like that happening.

That's a bullsh*t argument.

Before 9/11, Clinton tried to enact the same counterterrorism measures Bush asked for after 9/11, e.g., the same airport security measures, tracking and seizing of funds used by terrorists, tracking of explosives, etc., but he was blocked every single time by the Republicans in Congress because of opposition from the airlines, the banking industry, and the NRA.

[Spider]

Well, the deal with the box cutters are they are mostly plastic, with just
a small piece of metal for the blade. So they wouldn't have set off a
metal detector. That means no one would ask them why they had box
cutters because no one would have known they did have them.

Just like no one thought of someone hiding a bomb in a shoe.
So no one was looking at shoes. And that wouldn't have set
off any alarms either. Now we have to take our shoes off
because we know better.

bull**** , those metal dectectors pick up the smallest of metals ... seen those hand held ones used on illegals in Loredo Texas......pick up all kinds of things

[Cito Pelon]

I get tired of Republicans trotting out the boogie-man all the time in order to accumulate power. They have an agenda they want to put in place that amounts to Fascism, and they trot out boogie-man after boogie-man like Hitler and the Nazis did a scant two generations ago.

With the Nazis it was homosexuals, Jews, Gypsies, intellectuals. With the GOP it is homosexuals, Al-Queda, illegals, intellectuals. They trot out each boogie man and see how many votes each can get them with the ultimate object being the GOP version of the 'Thousand-Year Reich'.

Fortunately, the US voting populace has correctly identified the 'Boogie-Man Platform' of the GOP as the Fascist platform it really is. In fairness, McCain never bought into the Rove/GWB Fascist platform the GOP trotted out, but politics makes strange bedfellows, eh? In order to win the GOP nomination McCain has to make some compromises.

[sirhcyennek81]

I get tired of Republicans trotting out the boogie-man all the time in order to accumulate power. They have an agenda they want to put in place that amounts to Fascism, and they trot out boogie-man after boogie-man like Hitler and the Nazis did a scant two generations ago.
With the Nazis it was homosexuals, Jews, Gypsies, intellectuals. With the GOP it is homosexuals, Al-Queda, illegals, intellectuals. They trot out each boogie man and see how many votes each can get them with the ultimate object being the GOP version of the 'Thousand-Year Reich'.

Fortunately, the US voting populace has correctly identified the 'Boogie-Man Platform' of the GOP as the Fascist platform it really is. In fairness, McCain never bought into the Rove/GWB Fascist platform the GOP trotted out, but politics makes strange bedfellows, eh? In order to win the GOP nomination McCain has to make some compromises.


Woodrow Wilson was America's facist president. If you are going to throw out generalities about one party, try to be cognizant of history. The American Left is closer to Fascism then the right will ever be.

:Broncos:

[Rohirrim]

Woodrow Wilson was America's facist president. If you are going to throw out generalities about one party, try to be cognizant of history. The American Left is closer to Fascism then the right will ever be.

:Broncos:
(from Wiki)

Fascism is an authoritarian political ideology (generally tied to a mass movement) that considers the individual subordinate to the interests of the state, party or society as a whole. Fascists seek to forge a type of national unity, usually based on (but not limited to) ethnic, cultural, racial, religious attributes. Various scholars attribute different characteristics to fascism, but the following elements are usually seen as its integral parts: patriotism, nationalism, statism, militarism, totalitarianism, anti-communism, corporatism, populism, collectivism, autocracy and opposition to political and economic liberalism.

Yep, that sure sounds like Lefties. Hilarious!

[cutthemdown]

I'm super patriotic and nationalistic but I feel those things can coincide with freedom. Nothing wrong with hoping your country comes out on top, or thinking your country is the best. Nothing wrong with being proud to be an American or supporting your country in world affairs.

[TailgateNut]

I'm super patriotic and nationalistic but I feel those things can coincide with freedom. Nothing wrong with hoping your country comes out on top, or thinking your country is the best. Nothing wrong with being proud to be an American or supporting your country in world affairs.

Is that like the Iraquis who attacked Kuwait. They were also "behind" their fearless leaders' quests to attack a sovereign nation for no good reason.;)

[cutthemdown]

Tailgate I don't have a problem with other nationalities hoping their country comes out on top. When you lose though like Iraqis did you have to take your medicine. That's just how it has always been in the world and how it always will be. Eventually America may get theres just like the Romans, Greeks, Egyptians, Persians etc that had at one time vast power. Nothing last forever. While I am here though I will of course pull for my country to maintain it's power. That power has led to a pretty good life for all of us.

If your point though is that people (iraqi) were just ordinary and it was a crazy leader who brought them down, I do agree that happens. Iraq though was never a power just a small regional bully who antoganized a major power.

As far as being behind Americas presidents I almost always am. I feel support at home gives president more power when dealing with other countries. In the end that's good for the country.

[cutthemdown]

Pretty soon we may have a Democrat in office then you will see I don't really ever bash the President. I will disagree like I did with Bush on immigration, abortion, the fact we didn't sieze the Iraqi oil fields and pay for the whole thing like that etc. I was upset with Clinton over what happened in Somalia but I thought he did a good job with Serbia. I especially liked how he bombed the hell out of them from altitude so no planes could be touched. If it's Obama or Clinton I will hope that things work out for them because in the end that is good for me. Most hope for things to go bad so they can get their party in power but that's just not me.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Pretty soon we may have a Democrat in office then you will see I don't really ever bash the President.

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

- Theodore Roosevelt

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

http://recollectionbooks.com/bleed/images/BB/blindpat2-3.jpg

[cutthemdown]

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."

- Theodore Roosevelt

I didn't say I would critique or always agree. I pointed out things where I did just that. Do you even read? I said that I support all Presidents and hope for their policies to work out. In the end a successful president means a successful country. Will a protest or write letters voicing my opposition to policies? of course I will thats part of being a democracy. You just miss the point as usual.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I didn't say I would critique or always agree. I pointed out things where I did just that. Do you even read? I said that I support all Presidents and hope for their policies to work out. In the end a successful president means a successful country. Will a protest or write letters voicing my opposition to policies? of course I will thats part of being a democracy. You just miss the point as usual.

Yes, I read, and no, I didn't miss the point.

This is what you said:

Pretty soon we may have a Democrat in office then you will see I don't really ever bash the President.

We have already established that by "bashing" you mean "criticizing" (since you never fail to mischaracterize criticism of Bush's policies as "Bush bashing.")

Hence, you are contradicting yourself when you say you "don't ever bash the President" in one breath and claim that you would criticize him/her in the next.

You have shown a willingness to confuse (deliberately, I think) the term "bashing" (the connotation of which is some sort of gratuitous personal attack) with criticism of executive policy.


I said that I support all Presidents and hope for their policies to work out. In the end a successful president means a successful country.

This statement implies that all executive policies are in the best interest of the nation simply by virtue of the fact that they have been made by a president (any president.)

Surely you can't really be this simple-minded and/or authoritarian in your thinking?

[-Slap-]

McCain stands for nothing.

I don't like the Republicans, but they're in big trouble if they can't find a better campaigner than this. The Dirty Tricks Department will be working overtime this year.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Well, the GOP - thanks in large part to its ownership of the corporate news media - has a pretty successful track record when it comes to making presidents out of idiots, empty suits, and losers.