Shock: Obama Leads In Texas by 6%

[frerottenextelway]

http://americanresearchgroup.com/

Democrats TX
Clinton 42%
Obama 48%

[Crushaholic]

Ah...we should expect more whining that the Clintons aren't going to have everything handed to them on a silver platter...:thumbsup:

[Spider]

Closer then I thought it would be .........

[Old Dude]

That would be shocking, but Rasmussen has her up by double digits. Another poll has her up by 8%.

http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=5786320&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/02-15-2008/0004756862&EDATE=

Still almost 3 weeks to go.

[Old Dude]

If this is accurate, it would be an even bigger shock:

Obama leads Clinton by double digits in one poll

Rasmussen has Illinois senator ahead of Clinton by 12 percentage points
By Robert Schroeder, MarketWatch
Last update: 11:27 a.m. EST Feb. 15,

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- In the race for the Democratic presidential nomination, Barack Obama is now leading rival Hillary Clinton by double digits, a new poll found.
Obama leads Clinton 49% to 37% in the daily presidential tracking poll by Rasmussen Reports. The poll of likely Democratic primary voters was published Thursday.
Moreover, the poll found, Obama is now leading Clinton among women voters by five percentage points. Clinton retains her lead among white women but her advantage is down to three percentage points in that demographic, the poll found.
Clinton's campaign is reeling from a string of losses to Obama in Democratic contests but is quick to point out that the New York senator is leading her rival in Ohio and Pennsylvania.
After a delay of nine days, Clinton was declared the winner of the New Mexico Democratic caucuses on Thursday.
The next big contests for the Democrats are in delegate-rich Ohio and Texas. Those are held on March 4 with 389 delegates and super-delegates at stake. If Obama can pull off an upset in Texas, it could tilt the nomination heavily in his favor. IVR Polls determined that Obama was 10 points behind Clinton as of Jan. 31, but he has steadily closed the gap in recent weeks.
Obama is leading Clinton by a razor-thin margin in the delegate count: 55 delegates, according to a tally by The Wall Street Journal. Obama currently has 1,275 delegates to Clinton's 1,220. The Democratic candidate will need 2,025 delegates to secure the nomination.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/obama-leads-clinton-double-digits/story.aspx?guid=%7BD284D15E-8FA1-4180-BFEC-1A37D3678199%7D

[TexanBob]

The pollsters have been off pretty frequently this election season. They're like weather forecasters. No matter how often or how badly they are wrong, the next day everybody believes they are telling the truth again.

I'm going to expect a close election in Texas and who wins or loses will depend on who gets turnout.

[Dudeskey]

Ah...we should expect more whining that the Clintons aren't going to have everything handed to them on a silver platter...:thumbsup:

yup

[JCMElway]

These polls from Real Clear Politics tell a different story:

Texas Democratic Primary, Rasmussen, Clinton 54, Obama 38 Clinton +16
Texas Dem Primary, InsiderAdvantage, Clinton 48, Obama 41 Clinton +7
Texas Dem Primary, TCUL/Hamilton, Clinton 49, Obama 41 Clinton +8

However, the race does look to be tightening up. Bad news for Hillary.

[Bob]

These polls from Real Clear Politics tell a different story:

Texas Democratic Primary Rasmussen Clinton 54, Obama 38 Clinton +16
Texas Dem Primary InsiderAdvantage Clinton 48, Obama 41 Clinton +7
Texas Democratic Primary TCUL/Hamilton Clinton 49, Obama 41 Clinton +8

Texas is her best chance, but I think she will loose this state as well...

Obama has so much momentum right now -- Dems want "change" not experience, so they will get what they want in Obama.

[OrangeDoofus]

For what it's worth, Survey USA has been the most accurate polling outfit this season so far.

I'm sure Hillary's ahead in Texas, but the usual pattern is that the more time Obama spends campaigning in a state, the higher his numbers go. Even if he waits until after Wisconsin and Hawaii have primaries on Tuesday, he'll still have two whole weeks to work on Texas and Ohio.

The other thing is that at this point, Hillary doesn't need to just win Texas and Ohio, she has to sweep them hard and get 20-30 point wins in both states just to keep up in the delegate numbers. That's going to be really really hard for her unless something big changes in the next few weeks.

[Spider]

Texas is a hard state to call . I cant see them good ole boys in pickups thinking Hillary isthe one ........and Racism is still alive and well in Texas , cant see them boys saying Barak is the man ........

[TexanBob]

Texas did elect "Ma" Ferguson back in the 1940s, Ann Richards in the 1990s and Kay Bailey Hutchison has been U.S. senator now for about a dozen years.

The Democrats also ran Ron Kirk, an African-American former Mayor of Dallas, for the U.S. Senate once and he was soundly beaten despite the best attempts of the media to elect him.

Form your own conclusions.

[Spider]

Texas did elect "Ma" Ferguson back in the 1940s, Ann Richards in the 1990s and Kay Bailey Hutchison has been U.S. senator now for about a dozen years.

The Democrats also ran Ron Kirk, an African-American former Mayor of Dallas, for the U.S. Senate once and he was soundly beaten despite the best attempts of the media to elect him.

Form your own conclusions.

not for president they didnt

[epicSocialism4tw]

Texas did elect "Ma" Ferguson back in the 1940s, Ann Richards in the 1990s and Kay Bailey Hutchison has been U.S. senator now for about a dozen years.

The Democrats also ran Ron Kirk, an African-American former Mayor of Dallas, for the U.S. Senate once and he was soundly beaten despite the best attempts of the media to elect him.

Form your own conclusions.


Texas is an interesting state for politics.

Spider, you are out to lunch with your assertion that Texas is just a bunch of racist good ol' boys. That's as goobrish of a generalization as I have seen on this site.

Have you ever been to Austin? You know...the capital?

[Dudeskey]

Texas is a hard state to call . I cant see them good ole boys in pickups thinking Hillary isthe one ........and Racism is still alive and well in Texas , cant see them boys saying Barak is the man ........

Texas is a pretty big state... a lot more diverse than that, dude

[Spider]

Texas is a pretty big state... a lot more diverse than that, dude

DUDE!!!!!!!! DUDE .. your parents didnt put their foot up your ass enough times and teach you respect ....... dont call me DUDE ..... dude

[Spider]

Texas is a pretty big state... a lot more diverse than that, dude

Not by much .....

[Spider]

Texas is an interesting state for politics.

Spider, you are out to lunch with your assertion that Texas is just a bunch of racist good ol' boys. That's as goobrish of a generalization as I have seen on this site.

Have you ever been to Austin? You know...the capital?

LOL I been to more places in Texas then you have .. Austin .yep more then once , used to deliever produce to a place called tree of life , by the Chevy Chase building ....
Do yourself a favor Bra .......bull**** someone else about Texas ....

[Spider]

Would you like to try me on that Llama ? I have been to more places in texas then you have ...... you would have to google the places I have been in Texas

[Spider]

Speaking of Texas.... BroncoBeerslug , if you are reading this thread , do they ever get that Construction done out by Ingleside ? ..... That was such a bitch to drive through

[frerottenextelway]

Texas did elect "Ma" Ferguson back in the 1940s, Ann Richards in the 1990s and Kay Bailey Hutchison has been U.S. senator now for about a dozen years.

The Democrats also ran Ron Kirk, an African-American former Mayor of Dallas, for the U.S. Senate once and he was soundly beaten despite the best attempts of the media to elect him.

Form your own conclusions.

Obama isn't running against Texas Republicans.

[Kaylore]

Clinton is going to be leg humping the Hispanic vote and not-so-subtly remind them that Obama is black. Nothing like minority-on-minority jealousy to get people to the polls.

[frerottenextelway]

Clinton is going to be leg humping the Hispanic vote and not-so-subtly remind them that Obama is black. Nothing like minority-on-minority jealousy to get people to the polls.

She still has to deal with the problem that at best, the Hispanics will cancel out the blacks. If she has to win the state by 20 points, and non-hispanic whites are 1/2 of the electrate, that would mean she has to win whites by 40 points. Ain't no way.

[Kaylore]

She still has to deal with the problem that at best, the Hispanics will cancel out the blacks. If she has to win the state by 20 points, and non-hispanic whites are 1/2 of the electrate, that would mean she has to win whites by 40 points. Ain't no way.

Will enough Texas whites go for Obama? There are some racists down there, and contrary to what people will tell you around here, they aren't all Republicans. I'd love to see Hillary lose Texas and have the whole thing cave in, but I know the Clintons and they'll find a way smear Obama and get what they want.

[TexanBob]

Given all the states in the South that chose Obama while states in the Northeast and California chose Hillary, I think it becomes clear where the country's racists actually reside.

[Spider]

Given all the states in the South that chose Obama while states in the Northeast and California chose Hillary, I think it becomes clear where the country's racists actually reside.

you know , you are right , but it is a different kind of racism ....... In the North it is more like , you are not able to take care of yourself , cant think so we will look out for you ..... In the South you got nooses ... one is just as bad as the other .......
We have racism here in Wyoming bad .Indians , Blacks , Hispanics , we pretty much hate em all

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Speaking of Texas.... BroncoBeerslug , if you are reading this thread , do they ever get that Construction done out by Ingleside ? ..... That was such a b**** to drive throughAll done now.

[Spider]

All done now.

bout time .. I bet it is a good wide road now

[JCMElway]

Texas is a hard state to call . I cant see them good ole boys in pickups thinking Hillary isthe one ........and Racism is still alive and well in Texas , cant see them boys saying Barak is the man ........

You have to be a registered Democrat to vote in the Democratic primaries. All them good old boys are more than likely registerded repubs.

[JCMElway]

Will enough Texas whites go for Obama? There are some racists down there, and contrary to what people will tell you around here, they aren't all Republicans. I'd love to see Hillary lose Texas and have the whole thing cave in, but I know the Clintons and they'll find a way smear Obama and get what they want.

I don't think the smear machine will be out in full force. Hillary still has to be respectable to keep her seat in NY and I don't think either candidate wants to damage the other to much in case they win the nomination.

I think all Dems agree that winning the general election is the most important objective, no matter who gets in there.

[TexanBob]

You have to be a registered Democrat to vote in the Democratic primaries.

Not true. Each election cycle, all registered voters are sent a registration card with a blank space that is stamped when you go to vote. If you vote in the Republican primary, it is stamped Republican and if you vote in the Democrat primary, it is stamped Democrat. Once you've voted in one of the primaries, you aren't allowed to cross over to vote in the other party's runoff elections, nor are you allowed to be a delegate to the other party's state convention or vote at their state convention. However, while that registration card is blank, you can vote in whichever primary you want.

Once it reaches the general election, of course, you can vote for whomever you choose.

But you don't start the election year as a registered anything. There will probably be many Republicans crossing over to vote in the Democrat primary just because they see nothing of importance to vote for in the Republican primary and they might as well have their primary vote matter in one of the few times it ever does.

Good thing (I guess) for the Democrats is that the Republicans can't even agree on who they should cross over and vote for. Some will be voting for Hillary believing she'll be the easier one to beat in November. Some will be voting for Obama believing that ending the Clinton Era needs to take place before it comes back like another Friday The 13th movie.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Not true. I don't know if you were addressing this for every state but each has it's own primary rules.

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[TexanBob]

I don't know if you were addressing this for every state but each has it's own primary rules.

I was only speaking of Texas. Since both JCMElway and I are both in Austin, I presumed he was talking about the March 4th Texas primary, particularly since the thread is about how Obama leads in Texas.

[BroncoBuff]

These polls from Real Clear Politics tell a different story:

Texas Democratic Primary, Rasmussen, Clinton 54, Obama 38 Clinton +16
Texas Dem Primary, InsiderAdvantage, Clinton 48, Obama 41 Clinton +7
Texas Dem Primary, TCUL/Hamilton, Clinton 49, Obama 41 Clinton +8

However, the race does look to be tightening up. Bad news for Hillary.
I was gonna slam your first ppst JCM, but I see this one now ... yes, this post reflects what I've been reading.

Doesn't matter any longer of course, it's Obama's nomination by almost any scenario. Even two Clinton 60% wins in Ohio and Texas would not be enough by all accounts ... it's a tidal wave. And with 17 days still until the Texas primary, I'm thinking eventually Obama will pull ahead and win there too.

The reason Hillary is so popular among Latinos is apparently because Bill championed NAFTA. So it seems doubtful she'll lose that support ... but I still can't see her winning.

[SoCalBronco]

In that third poll JCM listed (Clinton 49-41) if you go on that site, there is a further breakdown of the delegate estimates per region and they actually had Obama winning more Texas delegates than Clinton even though Clinton was ahead statewide in their poll by 8 points.

EDIT: Here is the thing I read that suggests that he may win more delegates in TX despite being down 8 in this poll, this seems to be an independent analysis of the poll actually, but fascinating (and seems credible).

Clinton Up 49-41 in Texas Poll; Obama May Win More Delegates
by: Karl-Thomas Musselman
Fri Feb 15, 2008 at 05:05 AM CST

First, a hat-tip to R.G. Ratcliffe at the Houston Chronicle who has the entire data set posted from which this post draws. Read the original post here. The poll was commissioned by the Texas Credit Union League, conducted Feb 11-13, with a MOE of +/- 4.9%.
DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY (Latest IVR Poll 1/31)

Hillary Clinton: 49 (48)
Barack Obama: 41 (38)
Undecided: 8 (10)

REPUBLICAN PRIMARY

John McCain: 45 (43)
Mike Huckabee: 41 (33)
Undecided: 5 (13)

And now for the interesting sub-groups and my analysis. It's here that we find something very surprising!

Even though Clinton leads by 8 points in polling statewide, based upon the following sub-samples, Obama would still come out with a delegate lead.

And that's just among delegates allocated by the primary, not our additional caucus process which Obama has proven deft at winning delegates through.

I'm not kidding, follow me below...


Clinton also enjoys majority support in the South (57%) and Western (61%) regions of the state, and edges ahead in the Eastern part of the state 46% to 40%. Obama is beating Clinton 53% to 32% in the Central region and leads 49% to 44% in the Houston area. The Dallas Fort-Worth region is tied within margin of error (Clinton 42%, Obama 41%).
This section is the most critical when talking about the allocation of national delegates. (For more background as to why, read our two part guide.) While the regions are not defined by Senate District, I'm going to do my best to match them and show what these margins might result in delegate allocation wise. Please refer to this district map and this delegate spreadsheet if you want to follow along.

Region (net delegate gain)

South (57% Clinton, +1 net Clinton)

In order for Clinton to break any 4 delegate border districts, she needs over 62.5% of the vote. Absent that, all three (or four) of these districts are a wash. Right now, all she'd pick up is the odd 3rd delegate in SD-27 (Lucio).

West (61% Clinton, +3 net Clinton)

Again, Clinton faces the same 62.5% issue but the districts are sparse out here. SD-31 only has 2 delegates which will split no matter what. SD-19 has 4 and won't break unless she gets higher and might have even been included in the 'southern' sample because of its anchor San Antonio which was worse for Clinton. That leaves El Paso and the Panhandle with the three 3 delegate districts which only require 51% to get the odd delegate. Racking up the vote in this region doesn't benefit Clinton much once she passes a simple majority, and in this poll, it's her best region.

Eastern (46% Clinton-40% Obama, +/- 0 net)

Now, while this isn't showing anyone over 50%, I believe the delegate match works based upon the split of the viable vote, I'll have to check. Regardless, it doesn't make a lick of difference in this case for East Texas. SD's 1, 2, 3, & 4 are ALL 4 delegate districts that require the 62.5% supermajority to break the tied allocation. Parts of SD-5 could be in this pool, but guess what- it's an even 4 delegate district, too. Hillary sending Bill Clinton through this region needs to ramp up her vote totals by about 15 points before she squeezes any juice out of east Texas. If not, all for nothing.

Central (53% Obama - 32% Clinton, +6 Obama)

The margins here are critical. Looking at these numbers, there is about 15% undecided floating around. If they split evenly along existing proportions, that would put Obama right on the 62.5% line to break 4 delegate districts into 3-1 advantages. Anchored by SD-14 in Austin, Obama can conservatively expect a 5-3 split if he gets over 56.25% and I have no doubt this poll undersamples Obama's college turnout which is highly concentrated here. He'll be able to pick up the odd 3rd delegates in SD-22 & SD-24 with even a simple majority lead. Williamson County north of Austin anchors SD-5 so it's possible Obama could force that 3-1, but I'll leave it tied for now. SD-18 goes east and south so I'm going to leave that 4 delegate district in the split category. SD-25 runs down to San Antonio and has 6 delegates, and the threshold is only 58.3% to break it to 4-2. Keep in mind that an effective college operation at Texas State could help ensure this breaks 4-2 for Obama.

Houston (49% Obama - 44% Clinton, +2 Obama)

Again, if the undecided vote is in the same proportion, Obama would take a 52% simply majority. This is hard to allocate simply because the Houston area is so diverse and the general number is certainly highly weighted by local variances. Four of the six districts here have odd amounts. Based on this, Obama would easily win 4-3 in SD-13 (Ellis who supports Obama) which is African American. He'd need 64% to make this 5-2 and with the support of the district's Senator actively working for him, likely will get there by election day. SD 17 has 5 delegates so as long as Obama leads, he wins the odd delegate. SD's 11 & 15 are both even 4 delegate districts so they are a wash either way if it's close. SD-6 (Gallegos) is a 3 delegate district but Hispanic, so we'll assume this is Clinton's support in the Houston sample and break it 2-1 for her. SD-7 (Patrick) is Anglo so it's 2-1 Obama if he has 1 more vote than Clinton.

Dallas/Ft. Worth (42% Clinton - 41% Obama, +2 Obama )

There are 26 delegates at stake here. Problem is, 18 of them are in even numbered districts, three of which are going to split 2-2. The one that is 6 delegates is SD-23 (West who supports Obama) which is the African American district. Obama needs only 58% to make that a 4-2 split and given the size of the metro area, I'm reasonably confident in asserting that portion of this area's sample includes enough support from SD-23 to do that. That leaves SD-10 (Brimer) and SD-9 (Harris) to whomever wins the simple majority. Obama could do well in SD-9 which include the mid-cities and home to lots of independents but I don't feel comfortable assigning either of these. So lets just assume they break 2-1 for either candidate an cancel each other out for now.

Total (49% Clinton - 41% Obama, +6 net Obama delegates!)

Whoa is right. Now for the rest of the numbers.


Clinton also enjoys a slight edge in the image ratings. Three-quarters (75%) of Democratic primary voters have a favorable opinion of her (48% strongly favorable), and 23% unfavorable; while 71% have a favorable image of Obama (41% strongly favorable), and 24% unfavorable.
It's good to see the vast majority of the primary electorate views both candidates so approvingly.


Those who plan on voting early are tilting towards Obama (46% to 42%) while Clinton leads 51% to 40% among voters who are waiting until Election Day to cast their vote.
This is really curious to me as I've never seen this type of split polled before. If I were to choose leading one group over the other, I'd take the early vote as once those votes are cast, they can't change. That's good for Obama, given the fact that it was the early vote in California and other Super Tuesday states that really killed his margins. About 40% of Texas' vote will likely be cast early if past patterns hold (though some urban metros like Austin have had as high as 60% vast early in recent elections). The challenge is then to get early voters to find their precinct polling locations on Election Day at 7:15 PM if they are going to come back to caucus.


Clinton's coalition is comprised of Hispanics, women, and strong Democrats, while Obama's support is coming primarily from African Americans, independents, men, and higher income households.
None of this is particularly surprising as we've seen this pattern develop in exit polling from many states in the last 2 weeks. There are far more detailed breakouts in RG's post so check them out.



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[epicSocialism4tw]

Would you like to try me on that Llama ? I have been to more places in texas then you have ...... you would have to google the places I have been in Texas

I'm sure that you have passed through quite a few places.

I have lived here for 18 years, and lived in over 20 different places in Texas. Been from corner to corner, east to west, north to south. Driven backroads, taken highways, rock roads, dirt roads...you name it.

You are quite a goober, dude.

Saying that you know more of Texas because you've driven a truck through it on delivery routes is pretty funny.

[Spider]

I'm sure that you have passed through quite a few places.

I have lived here for 18 years, and lived in over 20 different places in Texas. Been from corner to corner, east to west, north to south. Driven backroads, taken highways, rock roads, dirt roads...you name it.

You are quite a goober, dude.

Saying that you know more of Texas because you've driven a truck through it on delivery routes is pretty funny.

LOL , Shows what you know , tell me about these delievery routes ..... speaking of goobers , wasnt yo uthe one that asked me if i ever heard of austin tx ? ROFL! . I dont blame you for backing down ....... oh and about the 18 years .. an idiot can live somewhere for 30 years , and still not have a clue ........
ROFL! delievery routes ......

[epicSocialism4tw]

, wasnt yo uthe one that asked me if i ever heard of austin tx

That was sarcastic...and it was said with the pretense that you understood the political and cultural climate of Austin, which you must not if you dont know what I was saying.

Driving a truck through Texas does not a Texas historian make.

[Spider]

That was sarcastic...and it was said with the pretense that you understood the political and cultural climate of Austin, which you must not if you dont know what I was saying.

Driving a truck through Texas does not a Texas historian make.

LOL I know Austin is very liberal has been for as long as I can remember , oh as for Driving truck through texas , Try it , get out and meet people talk with them , specially the working class in meat packing plants and docks .... you are a fool if you think peole in east texas has the same views as those in west texas , or south texas aka the valley ( Edinburg , harligen , brownsville , have the same views as those in dallas , Decature etc...

[epicSocialism4tw]

I know Austin is very liberal has been for as long as I can remember , oh as for Driving truck through texas , Try it , get out and meet people talk with them , specially the working class in meat packing plants and docks .... you are a fool if you think peole in east texas has the same views as those in west texas , or south texas aka the valley ( Edinburg , harligen , brownsville , have the same views as those in dallas , Decature etc...


Dont dig your hole deeper, man.

Texas is an extremely diverse, HUGE state.

I would say that is probably the most interesting political environment in the country. Stopping and talking to working class people is great and all, but try living here.

[Spider]

Dont dig your hole deeper, man.

Texas is an extremely diverse, HUGE state.

I would say that is probably the most interesting political environment in the country. Stopping and talking to working class people is great and all, but try living here.

LOL ...man this discussion reminds me of when you went off about how some basketball player was great , and Drafting Cutler /Starting Cutler was a huge mistake ....anyhoo How does living in Jerkwater Texas help you understand the people in Alice texas ? or Paint Rock ? or Twin oaks ?

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL ...man this discussion reminds me of when you went off about how some basketball player was great , and Drafting Cutler /Starting Cutler was a huge mistake ....anyhoo How does living in Jerkwater Texas help you understand the people in Alice texas ? or Paint Rock ? or Twin oaks ?

You must be the only person to ever travel across Texas.

Way to go, man. You've succeeded yet again at proving yourself as sharp as a basketball.

[theAPAOps5]

According to a Clinton senior advisor Obama can win as many states as he wants. He gurantees the super delegates will stick with Clinton:

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/16/top-clinton-adviser-says-superdelegates-will-decide-election-obamas-victories-irrelevant/

Again its Fox News but I found it while on Real Clear. So if Obama wins the popular vote the party is willing to ignore the people and go with who they want? I don't think that helps the Democratic Party return to dominance.

[Spider]

You must be the only person to ever travel across Texas.

Way to go, man. You've succeeded yet again at proving yourself as sharp as a basketball.

LOL at least Iam not delusioned enough to think there is no racism in Texas .... but you still have yet to answer about delievery routes , or how living in Jerkwater gives you insight about people in other parts of the state .... :rofl:
That would be like me Living in Casper Wyoming , telling everyone what people in Cheyenne think , but I do know there is racism in Cheyenne

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL at least Iam not delusioned enough to think there is no racism in Texas .... but you still have yet to answer about delievery routes , or how living in Jerkwater gives you insight about people in other parts of the state .... :rofl:
That would be like me Living in Casper Wyoming , telling everyone what people in Cheyenne think , but I do know there is racism in Cheyenne

I know that no one has ever accused you of being smart, but come on. Even you should be able to connect some of the pieces of this puzzle together.

So...because there is some racism found in some of the "working man" cultures in several one-horse towns in the state, then we must extrapolate that out over the state in its entirety?

Dude...you should be a sociologist.

[Spider]

I know that no one has ever accused you of being smart, but come on. Even you should be able to connect some of the pieces of this puzzle together. this coming from the Dramallama ...:rofl:

So...because there is some racism found in some of the "working man" cultures in several one-horse towns in the state, then we must extrapolate that out over the state in its entirety?

Dude...you should be a sociologist.

LOL I see so there is no racism in the big citys of texas ...... got the dramallamas word on that ....... ROFL! and Cutler was the biggest mistake the broncos ever made

[epicSocialism4tw]

this coming from the Dramallama ...:rofl:
LOL I see so there is no racism in the big citys of texas ...... got the dramallamas word on that ....... ROFL! and Cutler was the biggest mistake the broncos ever made

Use your noodle, dude.

It might feel funny at first, but eventually you'll be able to understand some really neat things.

[Spider]

Use your noodle, dude.

It might feel funny at first, but eventually you'll be able to understand some really neat things.

LOL but until then I have you to help guide me through , with litle tidbits like Big citys in Texas doesnt have Racism ...... :rofl:

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL but until then I have you to help guide me through , with litle tidbits like Big citys in Texas doesnt have Racism ...... :rofl:

Yeah, because that's exactly what I said. :thumbs:

Good job, man!

[Spider]

Yeah, because that's exactly what I said. :thumbs:

Good job, man!

LOL So...because there is some racism found in some of the "working man" cultures in several one-horse towns in the state, then we must extrapolate that out over the state in its entirety?

in several one horse towns ...... Like Dallas Perhaps ? ROFL!

[frerottenextelway]

According to a Clinton senior advisor Obama can win as many states as he wants. He gurantees the super delegates will stick with Clinton:

http://youdecide08.foxnews.com/2008/02/16/top-clinton-adviser-says-superdelegates-will-decide-election-obamas-victories-irrelevant/

Again its Fox News but I found it while on Real Clear. So if Obama wins the popular vote the party is willing to ignore the people and go with who they want? I don't think that helps the Democratic Party return to dominance.

The Clinton campaign is really in a bad position right now. They know that they won't win the pledged delegate count because they are too far back with too little to go, so the only alternative way is to go after the super delegates. The problem there is they will not win the super delegates if they lose the pledged delgates and the popular vote. The switch of super delegates from Clinton's camp to Obama's camp has already begun, and will happen in greater numbers once it becomes even more apparent that he'll win the pledged delegates/popular vote.

[frerottenextelway]

LOL
in several one horse towns ...... Like Dallas Perhaps ? ROFL!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Kirk1.jpg/180px-Kirk1.jpg

Ron Kirk says hi.

[Spider]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Kirk1.jpg/180px-Kirk1.jpg

Ron Kirk says hi.

LOL so you agree there is no racism in Dallas ?

[epicSocialism4tw]

Gotta love guys who get their impression of a state through Ford commercials and truck stops!

[Spider]

Gotta love guys who get their impression of a state through Ford commercials and truck stops!

LOL who said anything about truck stops ? do you consider loading docks and wharehouses to be truckstops ? is this like the delievery route thing ?

[epicSocialism4tw]

LOL who said anything about truck stops ? do you consider loading docks and wharehouses to be truckstops ? is this like the delievery route thing ?

It's figurative speech. Work that noodle out and look into it.

[frerottenextelway]

LOL so you agree there is no racism in Dallas ?

There's racism everywhere, but don't think it helps your argument that they wouldn't vote for a black man (I think this was the topic) when Kirk won landslides.

[Spider]

It's figurative speech. Work that noodle out and look into it.
huh .... well I would have picked up on it , but I am still amazed there is no racism in Dallas Texas , But I will make my point ..... the reason I am picking on Texas for their Racism , is thier population , More people in Texas then in Colorado and Wyoming ...... Then the Ron Paul letters .....Racism is out in the open in Texas , all parts ..

[Spider]

There's racism everywhere, but don't think it helps your argument that they wouldn't vote for a black man (I think this was the topic) when Kirk won landslides.

So blacks and Hispanics are not alowwed to vote ?
blacks and hispanics probably make up over half the population In Dallas

[frerottenextelway]

So blacks and Hispanics are not alowwed to vote ?
blacks and hispanics probably make up over half the population In Dallas

You're losing me Spider. I thought the general point was that TX might not vote for someone based on race, then you point to Dallas as being especially bad. My point was they voted for a black mayor by 75%, so it's reasonable to assume Obama could score a win there.

In fact, in this poll (http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2008/02/11/daily34.html), Clinton has an 8 point lead in TX, but only leads Dallas by 1.

Fwiw, the demos on Dallas is 50% white, 25% black.

[Spider]

You're losing me Spider. I thought the general point was that TX might not vote for someone based on race, then you point to Dallas as being especially bad. My point was they voted for a black mayor by 75%, so it's reasonable to assume Obama could score a win there.

In fact, in this poll (http://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/stories/2008/02/11/daily34.html), Clinton has an 8 point lead in TX, but only leads Dallas by 1.

Fwiw, the demos on Dallas is 50% white, 25% black.

Well my point was White males wont got for Hillary or Obama . here is what I said Texas is a hard state to call . I cant see them good ole boys in pickups thinking Hillary isthe one ........and Racism is still alive and well in Texas , cant see them boys saying Barak is the man ........
well needless to say things got escalated from there ..... No one has yet disproved my orignial statement ........

[Dudeskey]

DUDE!!!!!!!! DUDE .. your parents didnt put their foot up your ass enough times and teach you respect ....... dont call me DUDE ..... dude

sorry, dude ;D

[Spider]

sorry, dude ;D

you are dispectable ;D

[Dudeskey]

you are dispectable ;D

Well you did leave yourself open for that, lol

[Spider]

Dude.............;D