The FREE AGENT NEWS Thread

[BroncoBuff]

Bronco and non-Bronco related moves ....http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3379/45509425bx7.jpg

I like Chris Crocker - he's an affordable, productive 5-year pro - lots of tackles and passes defensed. And he has at least one INT and one sack every year four years running. Now that Gibril Wilson is priced outta the market, Crocker could be a real bargain at a position of great need: Aside from the maybe-not-returning Lynch and Ferguson, Hamza Abdulah and Steve Cargile are all we have. That's not much depth and it's even less experience.


Chris Crocker:
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9599/26008754ag9.jpg

51 solo tackles, 3 picks, a sack and ELEVEN passes defensed this last year.

[Inkana7]

Damnit! Carolina, use the Tag on your LT! Leave Gross to us!

[BroncoBuff]

Here's a familiar face in free agency ... new at 5 pm Thursday:
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2352/42201951pj0.jpg

Here's the Detroit Free Press article: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080214/SPORTS01/80214050/1049/rss14

[eddie mac]

Damnit! Carolina, use the Tag on your LT! Leave Gross to us!

My thoughts exactly but they've already signed Wharton to a new 6 year deal.

Karlos Dansby LB Cardinals has also been franchised but we knew that move was coming.

[Punisher]

GOD DAMN BroncoBuff beat me to the punch i was gonna make a thread like this :(

[BroncoBuff]

GOD DAMN BroncoBuff beat me to the punch i was gonna make a thread like this :(
Really? Okay then ... I hereby adopt Punisher as thread co-sponsor ... we will keep it as up to date as possible ^5

[Punisher]

Zach Thomas thats all i can think of

[BroncoBuff]

Zach Thomas thats all i can think of
That's it?! Some co-sponsor you are ... ;D

[Punisher]

That's it?! Some co-sponsor you are ... ;D

I know i kinda stink

[Gcver2ver3]

Bronco and non-Bronco related moves ....http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3379/45509425bx7.jpg

I like Chris Crocker - he's an affordable, productive 5-year pro - lots of tackles and passes defensed. And he has at least one INT and one sack every year four years running. Now that Gibril Wilson is priced outta the market, Crocker could be a real bargain at a position of great need: Aside from the maybe-not-returning Lynch and Ferguson, Hamza Abdulah and Steve Cargile are all we have. That's not much depth and it's even less experience.


Chris Crocker:
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/9599/26008754ag9.jpg

51 solo tackles, 3 picks, a sack and ELEVEN passes defensed this last year.

i'll admit i don't know much about crocker...

but gross may be a good pick up...

[rastaman]

Here's a familiar face in free agency ... new at 5 pm Thursday:
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2352/42201951pj0.jpg

Here's the Detroit Free Press article: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080214/SPORTS01/80214050/1049/rss14

Watch Ole Al Wilson really play his ass off with the Lions b/c the Lions have huge DT's to keep blockers off him! Then the rest of the league will be wondering how Denver let Al Wilson get away. Especially when Denver is weak at Line Backer anyway.

Good Luck Al Wilson hope you have a Pro Bowl year with the Lions.:thumbs:

[DB_champ24]

I like Chris Crocker - he's an affordable, productive 5-year pro - lots of tackles and passes defensed. And he has at least one INT and one sack every year four years running. Now that Gibril Wilson is priced outta the market, Crocker could be a real bargain at a position of great need: Aside from the maybe-not-returning Lynch and Ferguson, Hamza Abdulah and Steve Cargile are all we have. That's not much depth and it's even less experience.




I wouldnt want any of the Falcons safetys..Watched every Falcons game this season because my best friend is a big fan and one of their major weakspots on defense was their secondary espececially the safetys.

[Atlas]

Really? Okay then ... I hereby adopt Punisher as thread co-sponsor ... we will keep it as up to date as possible ^5

I was going to make a thread like this too!!

[epicSocialism4tw]

http://media.canada.com/8c8b3290-2b08-4dc6-8e3e-2cc645fdfe05/070920_crocker.jpg

I know that Atlanta is the gay mecca of the South and all, but Chris Crocker is just a little too feminine for the Broncos.

[Punisher]

I was going to make a thread like this too!!

I hereby adopt Atlas as the 2nd co-sponsor for this thread :) :yayaya:

[BroncoBuff]

I wouldnt want any of the Falcons safetys..Watched every Falcons game this season because my best friend is a big fan and one of their major weakspots on defense was their secondary espececially the safetys.
1: he has experience, 2: he is durable, 3: he will be affordable, and 4: he is productive: this past season: 51 solo tackles, 3 INT, 1 sack, 11 passes defensed.

Bowlen's tired of the blank check approach, so we need to get economical in addressing our three biggest needs: OT, S, DT. If we wanna save money (we do), don't want to rely on Abdullah and Cargile alone (we don't), and don't want to rely on raw rookies (we don't), then this is a reasonable guy for a depth/spot starting role.

I hope Lynch plays one more, but I've had enough of Nick Ferguson. I'd rather have this guy.

[Denver Crush]

Al Wilson playing anywhere else just aint natural. Id hate to see that ****!

[rbackfactory80]

Price was just released by the Bills. He could be had for cheap and is a good option when playing on a team with a legit number 1.

[Beantown Bronco]

Price was just released by the Bills. He could be had for cheap and is a good option when playing on a team with a legit number 1.

....as I mentioned in the WR#2 thread:

He'll be 32 next season
He's injured
He's small
He's no longer a deep threat
He hasn't had a real good, productive season since 2002

Pass

[rbackfactory80]

....as I mentioned in the WR#2 thread:

Dude , he tried being the man in Atlanta, which he couldn't be. Then he was stuck in Buffalo with Losman throwing the ball. No receiver is going to catch many balls there. I think he has a couple years left. This team needs to make small risk high reward plays and this would be an example.

[Beantown Bronco]

Dude , he tried being the man in Atlanta, which he couldn't be. Then he was stuck in Buffalo with Losman throwing the ball. No receiver is going to catch many balls there. I think he has a couple years left. This team needs to make small risk high reward plays and this would be an example.

None of that changes the fact that he is turning 32, has slowed down, has numerous reports out the past two years that suggest he has lost his ability to get YAC, and oh yeah.......he is still suffering from a career threatening neck injury that ended his season and probably will keep him from passing a physical.

Other than that, he sounds great.

[rbackfactory80]

None of that changes the fact that he is turning 32, has slowed down, has numerous reports out the past two years that suggest he has lost his ability to get YAC, and oh yeah.......he is still suffering from a career threatening neck injury that ended his season and probably will keep him from passing a physical.

Other than that, he sounds great.

I'm glad we can finally agree on something.LOL

[eddie mac]

I'd rather bring back Matt Lepsis and play him at receiver.

[socalorado]

1: he has experience, 2: he is durable, 3: he will be affordable, and 4: he is productive: this past season: 51 solo tackles, 3 INT, 1 sack, 11 passes defensed.

Bowlen's tired of the blank check approach, so we need to get economical in addressing our three biggest needs: OT, S, DT. If we wanna save money (we do), don't want to rely on Abdullah and Cargile alone (we don't), and don't want to rely on raw rookies (we don't), then this is a reasonable guy for a depth/spot starting role.

I hope Lynch plays one more, but I've had enough of Nick Ferguson. I'd rather have this guy.

COSIGN.
ANYONE is better than hasbeendullah or cargile.
really,........anyone.
DEN could even put Crocker back there with a rookie FS and would be better off.

[HEAV]

Rod Coleman was released by the Atlanta Falcons on Friday, according to a person familiar with the situation.

It's the first of what is expected to be many cuts made by general manager Thomas Dimitroff as the team begins to reshape after last year's disastrous season.

[55CrushEm]

Here's a familiar face in free agency ... new at 5 pm Thursday:http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2352/42201951pj0.jpg
Here's the Detroit Free Press article: http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080214/SPORTS01/80214050/1049/rss14

Speaking of Al Wilson, and he potential move to Detroit.....here's a trivia question.

Who was the last starting Bronco linebacker to leave for the Motor City ?

[montrose]

Speaking of Al Wilson, and he potential move to Detroit.....here's a trivia question.

Who was the last starting Bronco linebacker to leave for the Motor City ?

Allen Aldridge.

[55CrushEm]

Allen Aldridge.

Correct.

[WyoLaw]

Falcons | Team releases Crumpler
Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:17:24 -0800
The Atlanta Falcons (http://www.kffl.com/team/7/nfl) released TE Alge Crumpler (http://www.kffl.com/player/110/nfl) Friday, Feb. 15.

As per www.kffl.com (http://www.kffl.com)

-That's a shocker; someone will gladly pick him up.

[PRBronco]

Falcons | Team releases Crumpler
Fri, 15 Feb 2008 10:17:24 -0800
The Atlanta Falcons (http://www.kffl.com/team/7/nfl) released TE Alge Crumpler (http://www.kffl.com/player/110/nfl) Friday, Feb. 15.

As per www.kffl.com (http://www.kffl.com)

-That's a shocker; someone will gladly pick him up.

Holy crap! I heard they're cleaning house, but wow, I didn't know they hated winning.

[Inkana7]

Rod Coleman's been cut too.

[Inkana7]

COSIGN.
ANYONE is better than hasbeendullah or cargile.
really,........anyone.
DEN could even put Crocker back there with a rookie FS and would be better off.

Way to show your ignorance. Good job.

[socalorado]

Holy crap! I heard they're cleaning house, but wow, I didn't know they hated winning.

Man, i just cannot believe they would do this!!!
Thats gotta be the dumbest move so far!
Maybe he requested to be released....
SEA will scoop him up quick!

[rovolution]

Rod Coleman's been cut too.

Gandy as well.

He would be someone to look at atleast.

[socalorado]

Way to show your ignorance. Good job.

ooops i was wrong! This is the dumbest move so far.

Good job!

[Inkana7]

ooops i was wrong! This is the dumbest move so far.

Good job!

Right on. As long as you feel good about yourself, that's all that matters. Right?

[socalorado]

Right on. As long as you feel good about yourself, that's all that matters. Right?

No its when you finally find the sack in between Hazbeen Abdullah's legs you will feel good about yourself.
Just tryin to let you know its not there.
i'm here for you man.

[Inkana7]

No its when you finally find the sack in between Hazbeen Abdullah's legs you will feel good about yourself.
Just tryin to let you know its not there.
i'm here for you man.

Clever play on his name. Really, that's brilliant stuff. Almost as good as "Gay" Cutler. You must be a writer. Are you in the guild? How'd you pay your bills during the strike?

[Doggcow]

Clever play on his name. Really, that's brilliant stuff. Almost as good as "Gay" Cutler. You must be a writer. Are you in the guild? How'd you pay your bills during the strike?

He's a better judge of talent than Shannahan........ Don't make his dreamworld come crashing down, we don't want a cryfest on our hands.

[socalorado]

He's a better judge of talent than Shannahan........ Don't make his dreamworld come crashing down, we don't want a cryfest on our hands.

Thanks for the compliments. And from a WA ST guy no less!!
Wow!
The dreamworld came crashing down with the drafting of Willie Middlebrooks...............its been awhile :sunshine:

[Inkana7]

Thanks for the compliments. And from a WA ST guy no less!!
Wow!
The dreamworld came crashing down with the drafting of Willie Middlebrooks...............its been awhile :sunshine:

There's a place for you, my friend, where you can vent your frustrations and share your clever alternative names with people just like you!

All you have to do is click.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/

[socalorado]

There's a place for you, my friend, where you can vent your frustrations and share your clever alternative names with people just like you!

All you have to do is click.

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/

No frustration in my posts, just alot of clever writing skills apparently.

Here, allow me to give back to you a place you will just love to spend some time at!

You may even become "clever"
like i said, i'm here for you man.
http://fireshanahan.com/

[Inkana7]

....okay.

[BroncoBuff]

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5697/26703652vg0.jpg

If Bowlen will spend a little money, Booker wouldn't be a bad #2. I'd prefer somebody younger though, I still think Glen Martinez could be a solid 50-catch #2 WR/PR.

[BroncoBuff]

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9039/68709903he2.jpg

Rod Coleman was a sack machine for a few years there ...

[montrose]

PFT reports the Chiefs are going to cut Ty Law.

CHIEFS TO CUT LAW

A league source tells us that the Kansas City Chiefs soon will be releasing veteran cornerback Ty Law.

Law, 33, was cut by the Patriots in February 2005. He played for the Jets that year, and then signed with the Chiefs in 2006.

Signed through 2010, Law is due to earn a base salary of $6.5 million in the coming season.

[PRBronco]

I hate to reduce myself to this level, but...Keith Brooking is available...that would be like getting Zach Thomas but without the brain damage! ...and, as has been said 1000 times before, it would allow DJ to move back to his natural weak side bla bla you all know the drill.

[vancejohnson82]

we should pick up Thomas so Dumervil can get with his sister

[BroncoBuff]

I saw Brooking too ... I guess I just like DJ in the middle more than some around here. If his one-season improvement at MLB in '07 can be even close to replicated in '08, then we're set.

My prediction that Boss Bailey will sign within the first couple weeks of free agency is about to be tested. UFA signing opens up February 29, I figure Boss will be in the fold by March 21 :thumbs:

[Punisher]

I just want the broncos to pick up Rogers for a one year deal see how he works out god knows we need a DT

[BroncoBuff]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6639/16819058nt8.jpgHarsh decisions are possible for the likes of receiver Javon Walker, running back Travis Henry and outside linebacker Ian Gold. All are expected to be offered for trade, but any deal must be consummated quickly.


Henry's $6 million option bonus is due Feb. 29. Walker has a $5.4 million bonus due March 4. Gold has a $500,000 bonus due March 3. Even Lynch's agonizing decision on whether to retire will be made no later than March 4, when he is due a $1.12 million bonus.
From "Broncos Need to Get Tough Up Front" article: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=66100

[Kaylore]

I say Bye-Bye Gold and Walker ... but I'd like to restructure Henry and Lynch to come back.

I thought you said that the Gold hate was just a product of group think and he was actually really good. :giggle: :poke:

[Inkana7]

Give us a 3rd rounder and you can have all 3. Any takers?

[Cito Pelon]

Give us a 3rd rounder and you can have all 3. Any takers?

I sure hope so.

[eddie mac]

No-one will take Henry/Walker via trade unless both scrap those option bonuses and if either were prepared to do that we wouldn't be discussing this.

[BroncoBuff]

I thought you said that the Gold hate was just a product of group think and he was actually really good. :giggle: :poke:
C'mon, Khan ... both you and Slap missed the point of that thread ... you should really read more than the first sentence hmmm... What I SAID was that I AGREE Gold was a waste of space and an impediment to DJ's development, and I've always joined in the Ian Gold bashng around here. That thread was merely a reality check for guys like me ... that it's obvious the professionals at Dove Valley do NOT share our Gold-bashing opinions - not by a long shot.

Actually, that thread was the first in my 2008 "Get Over Yourselves, OM Couch Potatoes," thread series. ;D

I've become more and more irked by all the insurance salesmen, security guards and car mechanics who come in here and talk down to other posters and argue and berate as if they really know something about football ... while all along professionals like Mike Shanahan start Ian Gold on every.single.down.for.years! relegating talented 1st round picks to lesser positions to do so. I think Mike Shanahan JUST MIGHT know a bit more than we do. Don't get me wrong, I greatly value and read posts of many guys here, SoCal, Drek, eddie mac, yourself, Slap, many more ... I just think sometimes R E A L I T Y should be served, as with our obviously VERY wrong assessments of Ian Gold.

The funny part is, now that Ian's time is over in Denver, I know some of these self-anointed "experts" are gonna play the "I told you so" cards. Never fear, though ... I am ready to POUNCE!

[BroncoBuff]

Ahhh ... this is too bad. I like Cowboy.
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5374/48973257fb7.jpg

[yavoon]

C'mon, Khan ... both you and Slap missed the point of that thread ... you should really read more than the first sentence hmmm... What I SAID was that I AGREE Gold was a waste of space and an impediment to DJ's development, and I've always joined in the Ian Gold bashng around here. That thread was merely a reality check for guys like me ... that it's obvious the professionals at Dove Valley do NOT share our Gold-bashing opinions - not by a long shot.

Actually, that thread was the first in my 2008 "Get Over Yourselves, OM Couch Potatoes," thread series. ;D

I've become more and more irked by all the insurance salesmen, security guards and car mechanics who come in here and talk down to other posters and argue and berate as if they really know something about football ... while all along professionals like Mike Shanahan start Ian Gold on every.single.down.for.years! relegating talented 1st round picks to lesser positions to do so. I think Mike Shanahan JUST MIGHT know a bit more than we do. Don't get me wrong, I greatly value and read posts of many guys here, SoCal, Drek, eddie mac, yourself, Slap, many more ... I just think sometimes R E A L I T Y should be served, as with our obviously VERY wrong assessments of Ian Gold.

The funny part is, now that Ian's time is over in Denver, I know some of these self-anointed "experts" are gonna play the "I told you so" cards. Never fear, though ... I am ready to POUNCE!

this is just a more sophisticated version of "shutup your not mike shannahan." its not impressive, ian gold sucks, get over YOURSELF.

[Inkana7]

this is just a more sophisticated version of "shutup your not mike shannahan." its not impressive, ian gold sucks, get over YOURSELF.

Right over your head.

Go learn some proper grammar.

[SoCalBronco]

C'mon, Khan ... both you and Slap missed the point of that thread ... you should really read more than the first sentence hmmm... What I SAID was that I AGREE Gold was a waste of space and an impediment to DJ's development, and I've always joined in the Ian Gold bashng around here. That thread was merely a reality check for guys like me ... that it's obvious the professionals at Dove Valley do NOT share our Gold-bashing opinions - not by a long shot.

Actually, that thread was the first in my 2008 "Get Over Yourselves, OM Couch Potatoes," thread series. ;D

I've become more and more irked by all the insurance salesmen, security guards and car mechanics who come in here and talk down to other posters and argue and berate as if they really know something about football ... while all along professionals like Mike Shanahan start Ian Gold on every.single.down.for.years! relegating talented 1st round picks to lesser positions to do so. I think Mike Shanahan JUST MIGHT know a bit more than we do. Don't get me wrong, I greatly value and read posts of many guys here, SoCal, Drek, eddie mac, yourself, Slap, many more ... I just think sometimes R E A L I T Y should be served, as with our obviously VERY wrong assessments of Ian Gold.

The funny part is, now that Ian's time is over in Denver, I know some of these self-anointed "experts" are gonna play the "I told you so" cards. Never fear, though ... I am ready to POUNCE!

I don't think the assessments were wrong at all. We were right. Shanahan was wrong. Sundquist was wrong. And we saw it as early as last summer. Sundquist made a statement re: DJ that was a thinly disguised admission of fault relating to the Gold acquisition. PFW stated last year that Gold was openly b****ed at by the staff last summer and told they were extremely unhappy with him and he was on very thin ice. Other reliable sources of inside info (Requiem's source, among others) last year confirmed on this board that Gold was going to be on the way out last year even, if it wasnt for Al getting hurt, creating a situation whereby we could not take the financial hit of losing both at the same time. He's a failure of epic proportions, he's stunted DJ's development and we can never get development through continuity back. This was a terrible decision and they admitted their mistakes. They now KNOW they made a horrible mistake. Shanahan was wrong. Sundquist was wrong. I eagerly await Ian's departure in the next few weeks. He deserves nothing. He deserves no going away party for being a longtime Bronco. He deserves to be unceremoniously dumped. In fact, if it wasnt for additional intervening roster bonus issues that require his departure to be ASAP, I would rather be vindictive about it and keep him until June when FA is largely done and the cap space of other teams have been spent, and then release him then, late in the game, so he'll be in a real mess and have to pick up the pieces and fight for pennies. He's done alot of harm here, so it couldnt happen to a more deserving player. As it stands, I'll take March instead, but I would have enjoyed it more if they had stringed him out till June.

[BroncoBuff]

I don't think the assessments were wrong at all. We were right. Shanahan was wrong. Sundquist was wrong.
At least you have the courage of your convictions ... I definitely respect that. But you have experience as a coach and strategist in the real world of football...

And thanks for defending me, Ink, but Yavoon has something of a point: I am fine with people having their opinions ... like I said, I never cared for an Gold (notice the past tense ;D) ... opinions are fine. I'm just tired of people berating those who disagree with THEIR opinions, especially when Shanahan's actions agree wth them. People who defended Gold against me/SoCal/Slap had the trump - the trump that Shanahan agreed with them. Therefore, I don't like when people (Slap often) just argue, argue and berate as if there is ONE TRUE TRUTH that they alone possess, and the person they're berating is too foolish to see.

[Broncoman13]

"These things happen", a calm and unapologetic Ian Gold after the Chargers dump 41 on the Broncos in Denver.


BUH-BYE!

[yavoon]

At least you have the courage of your convictions ... I definitely respect that. But you have experience as a coach and strategist in the real world of football...

And thanks for defending me, Ink, but Yavoon has something of a point: I am fine with people having their opinions ... like I said, I never cared for an Gold (notice the past tense ;D) ... opinions are fine. I'm just tired of people berating those who disagree with THEIR opinions, especially when Shanahan's actions agree wth them. People who defended Gold against me/SoCal/Slap had the trump - the trump that Shanahan agreed with them. Therefore, I don't like when people (Slap often) just argue, argue and berate as if there is ONE TRUE TRUTH that they alone possess, and the person they're berating is too foolish to see.

I disagree w/ the notion that the "shannahan side" is automatically right. I understand that other ppl believe that to be true(perhaps idiots like inkana), but its still wrongheaded. why not just give yourself a lobotomy and parrot shannahan?

[That One Guy]

I disagree w/ the notion that the "shannahan side" is automatically right. I understand that other ppl believe that to be true(perhaps idiots like inkana), but its still wrongheaded. why not just give yourself a lobotomy and parrot shannahan?

To a certain degree you have to give the Shanny's side crowd the benefit of the doubt though. Until this year, Gold wasn't the complete and udder nincompoop that he is now yet people have been screaming for his head for as long as I've been visiting this little orange world. At one point and time, despite those demanding his immediate release, Gold was probably our best option. Just because he's not worth retaining now doesn't mean he wasn't worth it before.

In the end, I'm sure Shanny could see everything that our people could see but we don't have the restraint of PR to preserve so when Shanny said Gold was the best option, it's just as likely that he said it simply because that's what they needed to go with and that's what he needed to tell the fans so that is a risk the constant shanny wins crowd is burdened with.

[thumpc]

We'll all be relieved when he's gone, Walker too, and henry takes a pay cut.

[That One Guy]

We'll all be relieved when he's gone, Walker too, and henry takes a pay cut.

With FAs getting as much guaranteed money as they get nowadays, just about any of em would be a fool to restructure. What are you gonna do, cut em, give em the money and let em go sign up for more guaranteed money to start the cycle over again? Where does the player win in restructuring? Or are you mistaken and thinking players are concerned with anything but their pocket book when it comes to contract talks?

[Punisher]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6639/16819058nt8.jpg
From "Broncos Need to Get Tough Up Front" article: http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=66100

If we do trade them i hope its all D

[eddie mac]

With FAs getting as much guaranteed money as they get nowadays, just about any of em would be a fool to restructure. What are you gonna do, cut em, give em the money and let em go sign up for more guaranteed money to start the cycle over again? Where does the player win in restructuring? Or are you mistaken and thinking players are concerned with anything but their pocket book when it comes to contract talks?

I can certainly see that argument for a player who's just had a good season or who doesn't have any off-field issues or is completely healthy.

Both Travis and Javon are disasters when it comes to all of the above. Any team willing to throw money at these two deserves the **** that comes with them.

[bcbronc]

If we do trade them i hope its all D

if Henry is gone, we need to find a running back from somewhere.

[bcbronc]

I don't think the assessments were wrong at all. We were right. Shanahan was wrong. Sundquist was wrong. And we saw it as early as last summer. Sundquist made a statement re: DJ that was a thinly disguised admission of fault relating to the Gold acquisition. PFW stated last year that Gold was openly b****ed at by the staff last summer and told they were extremely unhappy with him and he was on very thin ice. Other reliable sources of inside info (Requiem's source, among others) last year confirmed on this board that Gold was going to be on the way out last year even, if it wasnt for Al getting hurt, creating a situation whereby we could not take the financial hit of losing both at the same time. He's a failure of epic proportions, he's stunted DJ's development and we can never get development through continuity back. This was a terrible decision and they admitted their mistakes. They now KNOW they made a horrible mistake. Shanahan was wrong. Sundquist was wrong. I eagerly await Ian's departure in the next few weeks. He deserves nothing. He deserves no going away party for being a longtime Bronco. He deserves to be unceremoniously dumped. In fact, if it wasnt for additional intervening roster bonus issues that require his departure to be ASAP, I would rather be vindictive about it and keep him until June when FA is largely done and the cap space of other teams have been spent, and then release him then, late in the game, so he'll be in a real mess and have to pick up the pieces and fight for pennies. He's done alot of harm here, so it couldnt happen to a more deserving player. As it stands, I'll take March instead, but I would have enjoyed it more if they had stringed him out till June.



ya Gold sucks, but it's not like he spit on babies or anything. you're taking his suckiness a little personaly arent you? LOL

[That One Guy]

I can certainly see that argument for a player who's just had a good season or who doesn't have any off-field issues or is completely healthy.

Both Travis and Javon are disasters when it comes to all of the above. Any team willing to throw money at these two deserves the **** that comes with them.

Both are definitely down in terms of value, you're right there. I'd think though that a new contract would be worth more than what the Broncos are going to try and get em to sign on. Everytime I see the Broncos trying to make someone take a paycut I generally just imagine they're gonna make em play for peanuts. I don't know why incentives aren't used a whole lot more than they are. A good ol' get paid for how you produce system, god that'd be terrible...

[Inkana7]

I don't think the assessments were wrong at all. We were right. Shanahan was wrong. Sundquist was wrong. And we saw it as early as last summer. Sundquist made a statement re: DJ that was a thinly disguised admission of fault relating to the Gold acquisition. PFW stated last year that Gold was openly b****ed at by the staff last summer and told they were extremely unhappy with him and he was on very thin ice. Other reliable sources of inside info (Requiem's source, among others) last year confirmed on this board that Gold was going to be on the way out last year even, if it wasnt for Al getting hurt, creating a situation whereby we could not take the financial hit of losing both at the same time. He's a failure of epic proportions, he's stunted DJ's development and we can never get development through continuity back. This was a terrible decision and they admitted their mistakes. They now KNOW they made a horrible mistake. Shanahan was wrong. Sundquist was wrong. I eagerly await Ian's departure in the next few weeks. He deserves nothing. He deserves no going away party for being a longtime Bronco. He deserves to be unceremoniously dumped. In fact, if it wasnt for additional intervening roster bonus issues that require his departure to be ASAP, I would rather be vindictive about it and keep him until June when FA is largely done and the cap space of other teams have been spent, and then release him then, late in the game, so he'll be in a real mess and have to pick up the pieces and fight for pennies. He's done alot of harm here, so it couldnt happen to a more deserving player. As it stands, I'll take March instead, but I would have enjoyed it more if they had stringed him out till June.

I agree with every word.

[eddie mac]

Both are definitely down in terms of value, you're right there. I'd think though that a new contract would be worth more than what the Broncos are going to try and get em to sign on. Everytime I see the Broncos trying to make someone take a paycut I generally just imagine they're gonna make em play for peanuts. I don't know why incentives aren't used a whole lot more than they are. A good ol' get paid for how you produce system, god that'd be terrible...

The incentives are used a lot more in rookie deals these days. Take Cutler as an example. 45% of the total value of his contract is based on incentives of which he hit 2 last year costing us an additional $4.5m

The mid-tier to top-tier vets dont normally do those unless they're added on to an already top heavy deal.

[ohiobronco2]

Saw a couple of interesting stories on KFFL.

Titans | Haynesworth to get franchise tag
Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:02:25 -0800

The Associated Press reports Chad Speck, the agent for Tennessee Titans DL Albert Haynesworth, said Friday, Feb. 15, that the Titans will designate Haynesworth as the franchise player by the deadline Thursday, Feb. 21. Speck said he talked with general manager Mike Reinfeldt and does not expect a long-term deal to be worked out by Feb. 21. The franchise tag will guarantee Haynesworth $6.37 million in 2008.

Was a pipe dream anyway.

Patriots | Former player, fans sue team over taping
Fri, 15 Feb 2008 23:08:33 -0800

John Branch and Greg Bishop, of The New York Times, report former St. Louis Rams S Willie Gray and three fans have filed a lawsuit against the New England Patriots and Patriots head coach Bill Belichick saying the team fraudulently gained an unfair advantage by taping a Rams walkthrough practice the day before the teams played in the Super Bowl in 2002. The class-action lawsuit filed Friday, Feb. 15, in New Orleans creates the possibility that a fuller examination of the Patriots' actions could take place in a United States District courtroom.

This just makes me chuckle

Chiefs | Cutting Wesley would save team salary cap space
Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:17:36 -0800

Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports the Kansas City Chiefs could reduce S Greg Wesley's salary cap number from $4.7 million to $1.7 million by releasing him.

What do you guys think of Wesley? I heard there was discussion last year to trade for him.

[Orange_Beard]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6639/16819058nt8.jpg


Who would touch anyone of these guys?
Henry with his drug problem and injuries.
Walker with his mouth and his knee.
Gold is just plain washed up.

[Bronx33]

Who would touch anyone of these guys?
Henry with his drug problem and injuries.
Walker with his mouth and his knee.
Gold is just plain washed up.

cowboys Hilarious!

[ohiobronco2]

cowboys Hilarious!

No, but this man might. :giggle:

[400HZ]

Who would touch anyone of these guys?
Henry with his drug problem and injuries.
Walker with his mouth and his knee.
Gold is just plain washed up.

Denver. Oh, wait...

[sixtimeseight]

Denver. Oh, wait...

durrrrrrrr

At least there's no teams in the league that would give huge contracts to admitted cheaters and steroid users. Oh wait....

[BroncoBuff]

Saw a couple of interesting stories on KFFL.

Chiefs | Cutting Wesley would save team salary cap space
Sat, 16 Feb 2008 22:17:36 -0800

Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports the Kansas City Chiefs could reduce S Greg Wesley's salary cap number from $4.7 million to $1.7 million by releasing him.

What do you guys think of Wesley? I heard there was discussion last year to trade for him.
I think there was more than just smoke about Wesley last offseason ... it seemd to me Shanny had genuine interest - we might've even made an offer. Chris Crocker's numbers are better, but like Crocker Wesley would be a good experience, veteran presence, without bending Bowlen's checkbook. We'll have Lynch's decision any day now, and that'll clear up our safety picture quite a bit, but even if he does comes back, we still need to draft one and sign another imo.

Rod Coleman was released by the Atlanta Falcons on Friday, according to a person familiar with the situation.
That's kinda tempting ... he was a big sack guy before, and at 31 he might have a couple-three solid years left ... give us time for Marcus Thomas and a high draft pick this year to mature. It depends on price I'd say. He did have a down '07, but his numbers before then were always impressive:
http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/8830/59788714aq0.jpg

[BroncoBuff]

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2259/69739619pv7.jpg

[oubronco]

courtesy of PFT

POSTED 7:43 p.m. EST, February 17, 2008
PATS TO PASS ON STALLWORTH OPTION
A league source tells us that the New England Patriots already have advised receiver Donte' Stallworth that they won't be picking up the $6 million option due to be paid to him on or before February 25.
As a result, the Pats will be required to cut Stallworth by 4:00 p.m. EST on Friday, February 22. Unless, of course, they work out a new deal with him before then.
Stallworth was signed by the Pats before the team acquired Randy Moss. The decision not to keep Stallworth suggests that the team will retain Moss, possibly by applying the franchise tag to him and then trying to work out a long-term deal.
The deadline for applying the franchise tag is February 21.

[socalorado]

courtesy of PFT

POSTED 7:43 p.m. EST, February 17, 2008
PATS TO PASS ON STALLWORTH OPTION
A league source tells us that the New England Patriots already have advised receiver Donte' Stallworth that they won't be picking up the $6 million option due to be paid to him on or before February 25.
As a result, the Pats will be required to cut Stallworth by 4:00 p.m. EST on Friday, February 22. Unless, of course, they work out a new deal with him before then.
Stallworth was signed by the Pats before the team acquired Randy Moss. The decision not to keep Stallworth suggests that the team will retain Moss, possibly by applying the franchise tag to him and then trying to work out a long-term deal.
The deadline for applying the franchise tag is February 21.

Does anyone know how much it would cost to sign Stallworth, or is he just out of DEN's $ range?
He's kinda hard to gauge. I'm sure there will be suitors, but for how much do any of you think?

[rovolution]

Does anyone know how much it would cost to sign Stallworth, or is he just out of DEN's $ range?
He's kinda hard to gauge. I'm sure there will be suitors, but for how much do any of you think?

Hes in no position to demand big $$$. Guy got replaced by freaking Jabar Gaffney.

BTW if the Pats dont resign Gaffney, he would be worth a look as a cheap #2 option IMO.

[broncofan7]

Pricey I know and I would personally like to see us spend big $$ on an OT more than DE but who knows what our FO is thinking.....

From PFT



The move also means that Bengals defensive end Justin Smith, the team's franchise player last year, will hit the market on February 29. At most, the Bengals can restrict Smith via the transition tag, which gives the team only a right to match any offer that Smith receives on the open market.

[broncofan7]

Does anyone know how much it would cost to sign Stallworth, or is he just out of DEN's $ range?
He's kinda hard to gauge. I'm sure there will be suitors, but for how much do any of you think?

Stallworth's speed would be GREAT for this offense, but he is more than likely to go sign with PHI--I KNOW I am in the minority for feeling this way, but I would love to see Ashley Lelie back with us but I fear that the organization would NEVER stand for that given the court case that Lelie won against us.....

[rovolution]

Pricey I know and I would personally like to see us spend big $$ on an OT more than DE but who knows what our FO is thinking.....

From PFT



The move also means that Bengals defensive end Justin Smith, the team's franchise player last year, will hit the market on February 29. At most, the Bengals can restrict Smith via the transition tag, which gives the team only a right to match any offer that Smith receives on the open market.

we've got a surplus of DEs. what we need is a stud DT.

[Rausch 2.0]

Pricey I know and I would personally like to see us spend big $$ on an OT more than DE but who knows what our FO is thinking.....

From PFT



The move also means that Bengals defensive end Justin Smith, the team's franchise player last year, will hit the market on February 29. At most, the Bengals can restrict Smith via the transition tag, which gives the team only a right to match any offer that Smith receives on the open market.

Smith is a damn good player. Very solid. He'd be worth the money and wouldn't get pushed around the field.

Hopefully you stay away from him...:wiggle:

[broncofan7]

we've got a surplus of DEs. what we need is a stud DT.

Surplus? Dumervill, Crowder, Moss and maybe Ekuban or Engelberger...not exactly a surplus but I do agree that DT is a bigger need. As soon as one becomes available, then I will post that link too.

[HEAV]

Bears released Muhsin Muhammad today.

[oubronco]

good read on corey williams

http://www.packers.com/team/players/williams_corey/

[BroncoBuff]

Smith is a damn good player. Very solid. He'd be worth the money and wouldn't get pushed around the field.

Hopefully you stay away from him...:wiggle:
RAUSCH IS BACK! :thumbs:

What up, homey? Is version 2.0 more or less sober?

[BroncoBuff]

we've got a surplus of DEs. what we need is a stud DT.
VERY TRUE ... it's all about numbers. So if you can count, you'll understand:

DT - ONE KEEPER - Marcus Thomas only. McKinley and Josh Mallard imo 60% chance to make the team, Steve Harris 50/50.
DE - FOUR KEEPERS - Jarvis Moss, Crowder, Dumervil are roster locks, Engleberger is close. Even #5 DE Ebenezer Ekuban has as good or better a chance to make the team as the #2 DT McKinley

At DT we have just one keeper and three scrubs ... our work is cut out for us there this offseason, and as much as I like Justin Smith, we just don't need a DE, especialy a bank-buster like he will be.

[BroncoBuff]

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/8103/61557969fe4.jpg
Lito Sheppard ... that's big news. This will affect the league-wide CB salary structure.

And Muhammad? SIGN ME UP ... the price will be more reasonable that Stallworth. We just need a cheap, reliable 50-catch guy to mop up a few balls after Marshall, Scheffler and Stokley take the lion's share.

[CBF1]

I hear Sam Adams and Jimmy Kennedy are available :)

[Beantown Bronco]

I hear Sam Adams and Jimmy Kennedy are available :)

Literally the first thing I said after hearing about Bates being let go was "what ever happened to Jimmy Kennedy?" He was brought in by Bates, yet was a clone of Gerrard Warren IMO....more of a penetrator that didn't want to be a clogger. I think he would work well in the Slowik system and I wouldn't mind if he was brought back on the cheap.

[Kaylore]

C'mon, Khan ... both you and Slap missed the point of that thread ... you should really read more than the first sentence hmmm... What I SAID was that I AGREE Gold was a waste of space and an impediment to DJ's development, and I've always joined in the Ian Gold bashng around here. That thread was merely a reality check for guys like me ... that it's obvious the professionals at Dove Valley do NOT share our Gold-bashing opinions - not by a long shot.

Actually, that thread was the first in my 2008 "Get Over Yourselves, OM Couch Potatoes," thread series. ;D

I've become more and more irked by all the insurance salesmen, security guards and car mechanics who come in here and talk down to other posters and argue and berate as if they really know something about football ... while all along professionals like Mike Shanahan start Ian Gold on every.single.down.for.years! relegating talented 1st round picks to lesser positions to do so. I think Mike Shanahan JUST MIGHT know a bit more than we do. Don't get me wrong, I greatly value and read posts of many guys here, SoCal, Drek, eddie mac, yourself, Slap, many more ... I just think sometimes R E A L I T Y should be served, as with our obviously VERY wrong assessments of Ian Gold.

The funny part is, now that Ian's time is over in Denver, I know some of these self-anointed "experts" are gonna play the "I told you so" cards. Never fear, though ... I am ready to POUNCE!

I think you have a point about people talking down to others here. I happen to think all the anger and frustration is related to the poor season and should we be able to right the ship everyone will mellow out.

That said, if we do trade or cut Gold (which is more and more likely since we tried to replace him outright last year) then it is total vindication for people that were attacked as football charlatans on this board. Saying Shanahan is the coach and therefore is right about Gold is a fallacious appeal to authority. Shanahan isn't always right. No one on this board is always right. I've been wrong about many things like the season, Lelie, and Dumervil but I was right about Gold. I support players if they play well and Ian hasn't played well in two and half years and its time for him to go. Just because we didn't have something better doesn't mean he's really been great and we should just ignore what our eyes tell us.

As for free agents available (so as not to hijack this thread any further) I'd only be interested in Haynesworth, Tim Dwight, Devery Henderson and maybe Jabar Gaffney. Other than that I'd love to see us cut the fat and just focus on the draft. This last round of free agents has converted me over to a "build throught the draft" guy.

[Inkana7]

Darwin Walker has been released by the Bears.

[Dedhed]

Darwin Walker has been released by the Bears.

Wasn't a trade for Darwin Walker in the rumor mill at some point last year?

[MechanicalBull]

Espnnews is reporting Jared Allen has been tagged by KC
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3252292

[Billy Clyde Puckett]

I happen to think all the anger and frustration is related to the poor season .

Maybe a little Kaylore, but mostly is is because of a few moronic newbees who have driven away those who really know something about football and the Broncos

[2KBack]

Maybe a little Kaylore, but mostly is is because of a few moronic newbees who have driven away those who really know something about football and the Broncos

hey now, some of us are trying

[oubronco]

per KFFL

Chiefs | Team places franchise tag on Allen
Mon, 18 Feb 2008 17:09:23 -0800
The NFL (http://www.kffl.com/team/77/nfl) Network reports the Kansas City Chiefs (http://www.kffl.com/team/21/nfl) have placed the franchise tag on DE Jared Allen (http://www.kffl.com/player/11965/nfl).

[oubronco]

what do you think of this guy

Bears | D. Walker becomes free agent
Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:42:13 -0800
Brad Biggs (http://www.kffl.com/link/148), of the Chicago Sun-Times (http://www.kffl.com/link/149), reports the Chicago Bears (http://www.kffl.com/team/11/nfl) declined to pick up DL Darwin Walker (http://www.kffl.com/player/1458/nfl)'s $5.2 million roster bonus Monday, Feb. 18, officially making him a free agent.

or this guy

Bears | Team releases F. Miller
Mon, 18 Feb 2008 15:47:00 -0800

Updating a previous report, Brad Biggs, of the Chicago Sun-Times, reports the Chicago Bears released OT Fred Miller Monday, Feb. 18.

[oubronco]

pft's trash bin

http://www.profootballtalk.com/NFLTrashBin.jpg

[broncofan7]

VERY TRUE ... it's all about numbers. So if you can count, you'll understand:

DT - ONE KEEPER - Marcus Thomas only. McKinley and Josh Mallard imo 60% chance to make the team, Steve Harris 50/50.
DE - FOUR KEEPERS - Jarvis Moss, Crowder, Dumervil are roster locks, Engleberger is close. Even #5 DE Ebenezer Ekuban has as good or better a chance to make the team as the #2 DT McKinley

At DT we have just one keeper and three scrubs ... our work is cut out for us there this offseason, and as much as I like Justin Smith, we just don't need a DE, especialy a bank-buster like he will be.

You stated that we have 4 keepers at DE, yet listed 3, the same 3 I did: moss, crowder, and doom and then listed engleberger and ekuban as close or maybe's---close or maybe's are not "locks" OR "keepers"---you may want to readdress the statement "if you can count, you'll understand..."

[oubronco]

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/7793876/Scout.com:-NFL-Free-Agency-Tracker

[That One Guy]

You stated that we have 4 keepers at DE, yet listed 3, the same 3 I did: moss, crowder, and doom and then listed engleberger and ekuban as close or maybe's---close or maybe's are not "locks"---you may want to readdress the statement "if you can count, you'll understand..."

Keepers aren't necessarily locks. Just like in fishing... keepers are worthy of being in your livewell but if you happen to have something better when you're up against your limit, the keeper is no longer a keeper. He didn't say locks, just keepers.

[BroncoBuff]

You stated that we have 4 keepers at DE, yet listed 3, the same 3 I did: moss, crowder, and doom and then listed engleberger and ekuban as close or maybe's---close or maybe's are not "locks" OR "keepers"---you may want to readdress the statement "if you can count, you'll understand..."
No offense intended re: the "counting" comment ...

I didn't want to call Engelberger a "lock" lock, but he is about a 90% roster probablilty I'm guessing, whereas Mallard and McKinley are imo about 60% chances to make the team. The point is: we have room for maybe ONE more DE only, while DT was our weakest unit, and we could have 3 or 4 new faces there on opening day. We have serious work to do to staff the DT unit ... CBF1 and Beantown like Kennedy, I say sure - bring him in. I wish we still had Gerard Warren ... :(

Ekuban's achilles injury was worse than initially reported. He's maybe a 33% chance to make the team imo. Besides, he's a free agent now.

[BroncoBuff]

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/5930/63359967qe9.jpg

Rod Coleman would be great ... prolly too expensive though.

Moooosin would be the perfect #2 - inexpensive consumate pro. But Carolina will sign him.

I guess they're really gonna cut Travis Henry, I wish they'd reconsider. Rashard Mendenhal would be great, but I'd rather keep Henry and draft Phillips or Rivers #12, and Chris Williams or Sam Baker at #43. It's all about maximizing your resources ... and if we keep Henry we can fill other needs with these two high picks.

[BroncoBuff]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1198/97079842jy2.jpg


Keyshawn is intriguing given our hole at #2 WR ... but thankfully Parcells will sign him before we can do anything stupid.... :~ohyah!:

Flozell is too expensive imo ... prolly not a zone-blocker, either, right ??

[Beantown Bronco]

[INDENT]I guess they're really gonna cut Travis Henry, I wish they'd reconsider. Rashard Mendenhal would be great, but I'd rather keep Henry and draft Phillips or Rivers #12, and Chris Williams or Sam Baker at #43. It's all about maximizing your resources ... and if we keep Henry we can fill other needs with these two high picks.

I'd have a minor freak-out if they just flat out cut Henry. I really think he'll be healthy and motivated this season....and be willing to take a paycut this season so long as the difference gets made up with incentives clauses. I loved what I saw out of him when he was healthy and I think it would be a mistake to just let him go.....

[ColoradoBuff]

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/5697/26703652vg0.jpg

If Bowlen will spend a little money, Booker wouldn't be a bad #2. I'd prefer somebody younger though, I still think Glen Martinez could be a solid 50-catch #2 WR/PR.

Seriously.....Seriously??? Put down the wacky-tabacky my man!

[rovolution]

http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/1198/97079842jy2.jpg


Keyshawn is intriguing given our hole at #2 WR ... but thankfully Parcells will sign him before we can do anything stupid.... :~ohyah!:


Its well known that Keyshawn hates Mike Shanahan.

On ESPN, he always berates Shanahan and asks why he is not on the hot seat.

I think it has a little something to do with this :) (Meshawns first game as an NFL Player)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/1996-01-nyj-den

[2KBack]

[/B]

Seriously.....Seriously??? Put down the wacky-tabacky my man!

That's not too outlandish a statement really. Martinez seems to be a hard worker and has pretty good measurables. He was only a second year a guy and managed to catch a few passes last year when they were a premium to anyone not named Brandon.

[BroncoBuff]

[/B]

Seriously.....Seriously??? Put down the wacky-tabacky my man!
Yeah, yeah, I give. SoCal finally posted a good capsule on Martinez, and I'm off my "Glen for #2" kick.

I still like him at #4 WR/PR though :)

[theAPAOps5]

Maybe a little Kaylore, but mostly is is because of a few moronic newbees who have driven away those who really know something about football and the Broncos

Right on all accounts. You can look on even this page and find one of those newbies who has zero respect for others opinions yet gets all fired up when you treat him the same way.

[Mr. Trout]

Somebody who can tackle at least..maybe a bit long in the tooth.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="yspsctnhdln">Niners cut longtime leading tackler Derek Smith
</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="7"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> </tr> </tbody></table> February 19, 2008 SANTA CLARA, Calif. (AP) -- The San Francisco 49ers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/sfo/;_ylt=Al4aZHmhFDUqYBHAuEXP4awdsLYF) waived linebacker Derek Smith (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3986/;_ylt=AsWBDDeCMRzpn0uRFSw1RUcdsLYF) on Tuesday, cutting ties with their longtime leading tackler whose role was assumed last season by rookie Patrick Willis (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8265/;_ylt=Ag0.ybmOCmftUZwmc2Axh2MdsLYF).

[BroncoMan4ever]

Somebody who can tackle at least..maybe a bit long in the tooth.

<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td class="yspsctnhdln">Niners cut longtime leading tackler Derek Smith
</td> </tr> <tr> <td height="7"><spacer type="block" height="1" width="1"></td> </tr> </tbody></table> February 19, 2008 SANTA CLARA, Calif. (AP) -- The San Francisco 49ers (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/sfo/;_ylt=Al4aZHmhFDUqYBHAuEXP4awdsLYF) waived linebacker Derek Smith (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/3986/;_ylt=AsWBDDeCMRzpn0uRFSw1RUcdsLYF) on Tuesday, cutting ties with their longtime leading tackler whose role was assumed last season by rookie Patrick Willis (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/8265/;_ylt=Ag0.ybmOCmftUZwmc2Axh2MdsLYF).

I'd sign him to a vet minimum deal with incentives. He isn't a LB who is going to wow anyone with talent but he works hard and can tackle well. Kinda the LB version of Engleberger

[Smiling Assassin27]

do we stick him in the middle? as i recall, this guy had pretty decent range and rarely overran plays, though he got overpowered from time to time.

[elsid13]

I like Smith. He always struck me as a solid pro that did his job. But I think age has finally caught up with him.

[That One Guy]

Yeah, yeah, I give. SoCal finally posted a good capsule on Martinez, and I'm off my "Glen for #2" kick.

I still like him at #4 WR/PR though :)

I still thought he had a few games last year where he showed great hands... don't recall what he did on the getting open front but I'm still not ready to give up on him. He doesn't have to end up as a backup option/special teamer forever.. he has some potential.

[That One Guy]

Here's the updated PFT dumpster:
http://profootballtalk.com/DerekSmithDumpster.jpg

[Mr. Trout]

look at all those gems!!! Sign them all now!!

[BroncoBuff]

"Who threw away all these potential Pro-Bowlers?!"



Al Wilson Update: http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5783/83034890jp6.jpg

Marinelli: Lions interested in Wilson
Mike O'Hara / The Detroit News

ALLEN PARK -- Detroit Lions coach Rod Marinelli has a high interest in free-agent middle linebacker Al Wilson, who visited the team last week and took a physical.

The Lions are looking to upgrade their defense in the draft and free agency.

Wilson was out of football in 2007 after being released by Denver after eight seasons as a starter. Wilson had a neck injury when the Broncos released him.

The signing period for unrestricted free agents begins Feb. 29. The draft is April 26-27. Wilson does not have to wait until Feb. 29 to sign with another team because he was not under contract in 2007.

"We had good interest in him," Marinelli said Tuesday. "We have to go through the process. He's taking trips and looking around. We're going to wait and see. We had a great visit. We really like him.

"Right now, it's all up in the air. We're still looking at the whole thing." Marinelli would not say whether Wilson had passed his physical. "That's something I'm going to keep to ourselves," Marinelli said.

Marinelli reiterated he will not release defensive tackle Shaun Rogers, who has three years left on his contract. Rogers played well in the first half of last season, but his performance declined in the second half, largely because of poor conditioning.

[BroncoBuff]

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/9/86265474mb8.jpg

[That One Guy]

Who's better, Droughns or Henry?

I still have very fond memories of Droughns and if he still had it...

I think he went out on bad terms though, right?

[Atlas]

Its well known that Keyshawn hates Mike Shanahan.

On ESPN, he always berates Shanahan and asks why he is not on the hot seat.

I think it has a little something to do with this :) (Meshawns first game as an NFL Player)

http://www.jt-sw.com/football/boxes/index.nsf/Games/1996-01-nyj-den

Good observation. When Keyshawn was a FA or on the trading block someone asked Shanny about acquireing him and Shanny said basically that Keyshawn was just a possession WR and would be overpaid. I bet that might have something to do with it.

[BroncoBuff]

Couppla relevant D-Line nuggets ...

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6927/72971475nb7.jpg

[montrose]

Berry was one we really let get away.

[Beantown Bronco]

Berry was one we really let get away.

Not a big deal IMO. He got offered a ridiculous amount of money that the Broncos simply couldn't match and he's been hurt and hasn't earned that big $ since he left.....I haven't lost any sleep over it personally.

[MechanicalBull]

Both of these taken from Yahoo:
<TABLE class=yspcontent cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=974 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class="" vAlign=top width=720>Titans make DT Albert Haynesworth a franchise player

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD height=7><SPACER width="1" type="block" height="1"></TD></TR><TR><TD class=yspsctnhdln>Titans make DT Albert Haynesworth a franchise player
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NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) -- The Tennessee Titans (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/teams/ten/;_ylt=AlqUAA1jd_UCq5LS0TLHw9kdsLYF) have tagged defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/players/5901/;_ylt=AigyzMI2SgcAOvyAdQYaURcdsLYF) as their franchise player to keep him from leaving as a free agent.
The Titans had told Haynesworth's agent last week that they intended to tag him as a franchise player. The move allows the team to continue discussing a long-term contract that must be reached by July 15. But other teams can talk to Haynesworth and sign him to an offer. The Titans either could match that offer or receive two first-round draft picks as compensation for losing the defensive tackle. Haynesworth is coming off his best season as a professional. He had a career-high six sacks in his sixth season in 2007.
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Detroit will not sign any of its 13 free agents early
Wednesday, Feb 20, 2008 8:00 am EST

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The Detroit Lions won't try to re-sign any of their 13 players who will become unrestricted free agents before they go on the market coach Rod Marinelli told the Detroit News.

"I don't see it happening," Marinelli said. "I think guys want to go out and test the market. They should."

Damien Woody , who played right offensive tackle the last five games, should get the most attention. Linebacker Boss Bailey is the only full-time starter who will be a free agent. The others are linebacker Teddy Lehman , running backs T.J. Duckett , Aveion Cason and Tatum Bell , tight end John Owens , defensive backs Tony Beckham , Idris Bashir , Smith and Fisher, offensive tackle George Foster and wide receiver Troy Walters . Four players will be restricted free agents — quarterback Dan Orlovsky , guard Stephen Peterman , defensive tackle Langston Moore and Wilson.

Source: Detroit News

[That One Guy]

We can get Henry's replacement in Tatum Bell and I've heard that George Foster has played some RT... Whaddaya think?

[Punisher]

We can get Henry's replacement in Tatum Bell and I've heard that George Foster has played some RT... Whaddaya think?

I think we was dumb letting go Foster we could of just made him an RG or LG :thanku: as for Bell that dog house got a little too big for him so shanny gave him the big :welcome: :welcome: see ya later.

[~Crash~]

These 32 can expect to cash in

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10636763

[rovolution]

Trufant slapped with the franchise tag.

This means Josh Brown will probably be the top kicker on the market, with Elam at #2.

[Beantown Bronco]

Trufant slapped with the franchise tag.

This means Josh Brown will probably be the top kicker on the market, with Elam at #2.

Bironas, though restricted, would technically be the top kicker IMO. Though I hear Tennessee is speaking with his agent now. He will probably be made the top paid kicker in the league, which won't help in negotiations with Elam.

[rovolution]

Bironas, though restricted, would technically be the top kicker IMO. Though I hear Tennessee is speaking with his agent now. He will probably be made the top paid kicker in the league, which won't help in negotiations with Elam.

My bad. Meant Josh Brown will be the top UFA kicker.

[Punisher]

I hope the broncos make a move on Michael Turner...

[rovolution]

Dang it.

Starks gets slapped with the transition tag.

Please not another season of Pears at RT, PLEASE!!!!!!

[BroncoBuff]

Dang it.

Starks gets slapped with the transition tag.

Please not another season of Pears at RT, PLEASE!!!!!!
Then jump on the CHRIS KUPER to RT bandwagon .. plenty of room! :~ohyah!:


Locklear is gone now ... as are Jordan Gross, Stacy Andrews and Flozell Adams. Let's just use pick #43 on Chris Williams or Sam Baker ... and hope Harris and/or Pears can manage LT until they're ready.

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/7176/19868751jf2.jpg

Looks like Drayton Florence might be gone .... no biggie, he's not even starting anymore.

[BroncoBuff]

Couple of interesting guys who might work at #2 WR here.

I'd prefer Mushin Muhammad, but Stallworth would be great if he is affordable.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7885/88139232sy0.jpg

[bcbronc]

I'd have some interest in TJ Duckett as a short-yardage/goalline back.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Would love to sign Eugene Wilson from the Patriots.

Only 27 and versatile...would be the safety with range and ball-hawk skills we have needed.

[Killericon]

Would love to sign Eugene Wilson from the Patriots.

Only 27 and versatile...would be the safety with range and ball-hawk skills we have needed.

I'd prefer Gibril, but we'll never get him, so I'm on the Eugene Wilson bandwagon. :thumbs:

[BroncoBuff]

Chris Crocker or Greg Wesley would be cheaper ....

[eddie mac]

Would love to sign Eugene Wilson from the Patriots.

Only 27 and versatile...would be the safety with range and ball-hawk skills we have needed.

Eugene is another CB who didn't do anything special at the safety position. There's a reason why he was replaced there during the season.

[oubronco]

I wouldn't mind Teddy Lehman he was a pretty solid LB at OU

[BroncoBuff]

I'd prefer Gibril, but we'll never get him, so I'm on the Eugene Wilson bandwagon. :thumbs:
Looks like the Eagles might use some of their Lito Sheppard shavings to bag Gibril. We shouldda signed him to an RFA offer a year ago like I suggested ;D

Plus news on the DT front .... Dewayne Robertson of the Jets?

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8226/61552134xv0.jpg

[BroncoBuff]

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/7974/58578292uz5.jpg

[BroncoBuff]

Looks like the Eagles might use some of their Lito Sheppard shavings to bag Gibril. We shouldda signed him to an RFA offer a year ago like I suggested ;D

Plus news on the DT front .... Dewayne Robertson of the Jets?

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/8226/61552134xv0.jpg


He definitely LOOKS mean ...

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2967/28048078xc3.jpg
He's very consistent year in and year out ... I just wonder if he's worth the money. The Jets aren't letting him go for no reason after all ???

[That One Guy]

That Robertson fella' doesn't seem all that impressive... Has NYJ been a 3-4 the whole time he was there and that kills his tackle numbers or something?

[cutthemdown]

Couple of interesting guys who might work at #2 WR here.

I'd prefer Mushin Muhammad, but Stallworth would be great if he is affordable.

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/7885/88139232sy0.jpg

Stallworth just not the right type for our system. He's more a pass happy type WR who needs multiple targets on the field at same time for him to excel. He does have some deep speed which we need but I think we need someone more Physical. Too bad Walker can't buy into the Broncos system.

[ayjackson]

That Robertson fella' doesn't seem all that impressive... Has NYJ been a 3-4 the whole time he was there and that kills his tackle numbers or something?

I think the Jets have been a 3-4 for only 2006 and 2007, since Mangini arrived. When they drafted Vilma, I think they were a 4-3.

[That One Guy]

I think the Jets have been a 3-4 for only 2006 and 2007, since Mangini arrived. When they drafted Vilma, I think they were a 4-3.

Yeah, forgot about that. So a DT that only puts up 30ish tackles a season in a 4-3? Obviously someone sees potential in the guy, what makes him special? Statistically he's not much, it'd seem.

[BroncoBuff]

I think the Jets have been a 3-4 for only 2006 and 2007, since Mangini arrived. When they drafted Vilma, I think they were a 4-3.
Yeah, that article said the Jets think he's wrong for a 3-4:

But the feelers the Jets are putting out at the combine to gauge the market, which certainly has piqued the Broncos' interest, has more to do with the defensive tackle's lack of a fit within New York's 3-4 scheme than finances.

That's perfect, because it means there's a reasonable explanation for why they're offing the guy ... unlike Rogers and Jenkins.

[BroncoBuff]

We could get Tatum Bell and Kenoy "Death to all Flying Things" Kennedy back .... :wiggle:


http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7864/30567743qy6.jpg

[Killericon]

'Nique, This year's 2nd and a conditional 2nd next year for Vilma and Robertson?

Anyone?

No?

I'll just keep quiet now...

[BroncoBuff]

who's 'nique?

[epicSocialism4tw]

who's 'nique?
http://www.nba.com/media/hawks/0506_HWK_Wilkins_HoF_600.jpg

[Killericon]

Argh! This guy!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/BroncoLB56/Foxworth.jpg

Tough Crowd...

[oubronco]

Argh! This guy!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v437/BroncoLB56/Foxworth.jpg

Tough Crowd...

no wonder he drops so many potential INT's he's not looking at the ball

[montrose]

SIRIUS has reported the Pats are going to release LB Rosey Colvin today.

[BroncoBuff]

'Nique, This year's 2nd and a conditional 2nd next year for Vilma and Robertson?

Anyone?

No?

I'll just keep quiet now...
Okay, Foxworth ... sorry.

That's too much in my view ... WAY too much. I'd give up Foxworth for Robertson straight up I suppose ... but that leaves your #2 and a cond #2 for Vilma, which is too much I think.

But maybe somebody can give a scouting report on Vilma, and please fill me on his "fall from grace." He's like Michael Clayton - both had killer Pro Bowl level rookie years, but then (while I wasn't looking) they became below average players. How did that happen ???

[Crushaholic]

Not that it matters for our purposes, but...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chiefs/story/506606.html

The Chiefs today released Eddie Kennison, a starting wide receiver for the past six seasons.

The 35-year-old Kennison was a victim of the Chiefs’ youth movement. With the Chiefs looking to get younger, Kennison was an obvious target.

Between hamstring and shoulder injuries, he was able to play in only eight games last season. He caught just 13 passes for 101 yards.

Those numbers were far off those he posted earlier in his time with the Chiefs. Kennison caught at least 50 passes in each of his five full seasons in Kansas City and had more than 1,000 yards in both 2004 and 2005.

The Chiefs previously released another over-30 offensive starter, guard John Welbourn.

[That One Guy]

The issue with Robertson is that 11 Mil price tag. I wouldn't want to take that thing on for anything. Only once someone establishes whether he's willing to renegotiate can anyone even discuss the situation. If he's taking the patented Javon "f-you" route on negotiations, he'll be cut. You can't have an underacheiver claiming 10% of your cap.

[HEAV]

Redskins cut WR Brandon Lloyd.

As expected. The final stats: 25 receptions, zero touchdowns. For $10 million in guaranteed money. Jason has written that he was due a roster bonus that the team was never going to give him.

By Emilio Garcia-Ruiz | February 26, 2008; 5:30 PM ET

[yavoon]

Redskins cut WR Brandon Lloyd.

As expected. The final stats: 25 receptions, zero touchdowns. For $10 million in guaranteed money. Jason has written that he was due a roster bonus that the team was never going to give him.

By Emilio Garcia-Ruiz | February 26, 2008; 5:30 PM ET

I liked lloyd w/ san fran. circus catching beast.

[BroncoBuff]

Redskins cut WR Brandon Lloyd.

As expected. The final stats: 25 receptions, zero touchdowns. For $10 million in guaranteed money. Jason has written that he was due a roster bonus that the team was never going to give him.

By Emilio Garcia-Ruiz | February 26, 2008; 5:30 PM ET
Jason?

[BroncoBuff]

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/953/10364645jv2.jpgOh well ... might've been a bit too pricey for a #2 WR anyway.




http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7073/90668295yn6.jpg
We were already thin at FB, moving Mike Bell there. Now we really have to draft somebody.

[Punisher]

SIRIUS has reported the Pats are going to release LB Rosey Colvin today.

Bring him in please :thanku:

[Punisher]

David Carr just got the boot

[That One Guy]

Wait... KC is going to the zone block as well? After all those years of them bashing it, it's the new WCO...

[BroncoBuff]

Yesterday's story, but a couple good nuggets here ...


Preparations taking shape for free agency
<!--subtitle--><!--byline-->Preparations taking shape for free agency[/SIZE][/B]"]By Bill Williamson
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While the Broncos are spending the week considering trade proposals, they also are in final preparations for free agency, which begins Friday.

Denver was the NFL's most aggressive team in signing free agents a year ago. But the team, which has about $16 million in salary cap room, isn't expected to make huge headlines this offseason.

The Broncos likely will pursue a few starting-quality players and look for contributors on special teams in free agency. Positions the Broncos will look to strengthen include defensive line, linebacker, safety and wide receiver.
Teams can't talk to free agents until the market opens.

On the defensive line, players the Broncos are believed to be interested in include Cincinnati's Justin Smith, San Francisco's Marques Douglas and Oakland's Tommy Kelly.

At linebacker, Detroit's Boss Bailey, Atlanta's DeMorrio Williams and Pittsburgh's Clark Haggans might be attractive. At safety, the Giants' Gibril Wilson and Carolina's Marquand Manuel could be possibilities.

The free-agent class at wide receiver is thin, but expensive. It includes Chicago's Bernard Berrian, Arizona's Bryant Johnson and Seattle's D.J. Hackett, a former Colorado standout.

[B]Ekuban to free agency.

Barring a last- minute change, the agent for Ebenezer Ekuban said the veteran defensive end will enter free agency on Friday.

"We're going to test free agency and see what happens," agent Drew Rosenhaus said. "We'll stay in touch with the Broncos."

It appears fullback Cecil Sapp also is headed for free agency. Several teams, including Kansas City and Miami, are interested in Sapp. The Broncos are headed toward giving safety Hamza Abdullah a restricted free-agency tender, with talks of a long-term deal subsiding.

Rogers trade talk.

Two NFL sources said Monday the Broncos and Lions are not close to finalizing a trade involving Detroit defensive tackle Shaun Rogers. The Broncos are exploring the idea, but no substantive talks have occurred, with none expected until later in the week.

Detroit general manager Matt Millen has said the Lions would need at least a second-round draft pick for Rogers. Cincinnati, Buffalo and the Jets are expected to push for Rogers. No trade can become official until Friday.
Denver is looking to trade wide receiver Javon Walker. Tampa Bay and Dallas appear to be the most interested.

Williams Memorial.

The Darrent Williams Memorial Teen Center in Montbello is set to open May 29. Bill Williamson: 303-954-1262 or bwilliamson@denverpost.com (bwilliamson@denverpost.com)


I would add Greg Wesley and Chris Crocker to the list of ree agent safeties we might be interested in.

Does anybody else get the impression that Bill Williamson just pulls these free agent names we're supposedly "interested in" right off Rotoworld? I don't think he talks with the team about them ... Shanahan has zero interest in Hackett.

[Traveler]

Giants safety Wilson to Eagles, Jags or Broncos?

Giants safety Gibril Wilson looks ready to test the waters, with Philadelphia, Jacksonville and Denver reportedly hoping to steal him away. If one of them is willing to come up with the reported $4 million to $5 million per season Wilson is seeking, the Giants will have to ship him his Super Bowl ring. -- Bergen Record

[montrose]

Residents in Miami better recognize, watch your back going into Subway!

Dolphins | Team signs Kircus
Thu, 28 Feb 2008 14:50:41 -0800

The Miami Dolphins signed free-agent WR David Kircus (Broncos) Thursday, Feb. 28. Terms of the deal were not disclosed.

[theAPAOps5]

When questioned by local reporters Kircus had this to say, "You don't know what I am capable of!"

[eddie mac]

Bruschi has agreed terms to re-sign with the Pats as per NFL Network

[That One Guy]

Bruschi's an f-in soldier too. I wanna have a stroke so I can go play in the NFL...

They've gotta take a LB in the draft this year. If they were 4-3 I'd swear they were gonna take Conner but as a 3-4 team, I'm not sure who they go after. It's gotta be LB early though, maybe they'll wait till the 2nd.

[brncs_fan]

Bring him back!

Gus Frerotte, the backup quarterback the last two seasons, also was released on Thursday. The moves came hours before the start of free agency.

[That One Guy]

I'm still a Gus Fan. I no likey that clown we have now. Whatever his name is...

[SpringStein]

Samuel headed to Philly?

This time around, there are Internet reports from the generally plugged-in gcobb.com that Pats cornerback Asante Samuel has a deal in place to sign with Philly.If true, Samuel can renege without consequence, just like Bentley did. And the Eagles would have no recourse, just as in the Bentley situation.

An unwritten player contract negotiated at a time when there should be negotiations at all is, obviously, not enforceable.

Other teams thought to be interested in Samuel are the Saints, Jets, and possible the Bucs. Samuel is believed to want a contract worth at least $10 million per year.

[rovolution]

Bring him back!

Griese balls will be available soon too

[gunns]

Bring him back!

My wish list would include Billy Volek.....and Tony Richardson.

[SportinOne]

so let me see if i am understanding this correctly...

the jets want to upgrade their dt, so they want to trade for rogers.. so they give up only the player they're trying to replace and get a better one in return??? meanwhile, we have to give something up for their scraps???

forget the jets, deal directly with the lions and go get rogers for ourselves.

then go back to the jets and get vilma...

[yavoon]

Samuel headed to Philly?

he'd be good in philly.

[rovolution]

Fri 12:00 Eastern Time.



FA has officially begun.

If your quite enough children, you can hear Dan Snyder's armada of private jets soaring through the night.

[Goobzilla]

How does Rosenhaus cover up his devil horns when he's on TV? He said he's got 30 UFA's on the market.

[That One Guy]

How does Rosenhaus cover up his devil horns when he's on TV? He said he's got 30 UFA's on the market.

I saw something the other day where it listed number of clients by agent and most had 10... 15... and he had like 86. It's insane how he dominates the market. He seems to get good things for his clients though, how he has the time to manage them is a mystery though.

[That One Guy]

PFT reports that Newsday reports that Vilma is gone to the Saints for a conditional 09. One, down, many to go.

[Ratboy]

Jerry Porter to Buffalo?

[Bob]

He definitely LOOKS mean ...

http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/2967/28048078xc3.jpg
He's very consistent year in and year out ... I just wonder if he's worth the money. The Jets aren't letting him go for no reason after all ???

Man, is he ugly...

Just so long as he can tackle, and stop the gaping hole in the middle...

[That One Guy]

PFT reports that another paper reports that Moss is in fact staying with NE. I did not expect that at all, I didn't think there was any way...

[rovolution]

The Dolphins just made Justin Smiley a very happy man

Dolphins agreed to terms with G Justin Smiley on a five-year contract worth $25 million, including a $9 million signing bonus.
The Bengals, Raiders, and Rams were also thought to have interest. Smiley is recovering from a torn labrum, but should be O.K. by training camp. The 2004 second-round pick will play right guard in Miami, replacing Rex Hadnot.

[That One Guy]

The longer Oakland continues to look for a guard, the more likely they come and steal Myers off the Broncos roster. That's a dangerous situation... I hope they go ahead and sign someone.

[Los Broncos]

Yeah, i heard about Moss on the radio today.

Said he was signing a three year deal i think.

[theAPAOps5]

Jebus Vilma for an 09 conditional thats not much.

[kdissette]

man if we got fanaca, richardson, or briggs i would be happy....and throw in bryant johnson or shaun rogers and i would **** my pants

[kdissette]

A reader has pointed out to us a curious quote at the bottom of the Wikipedia entry of Browns quarterback Derek Anderson (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm#):
"It is rumored that he has signed a $47 million contract with the Carolina Panthers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Anderson_(American_football)), with $17 million guranteed [sic]. Browns would receive a 1st and 3rd pick in the 2008 draft. Panthers pick 13th."
It's probably a load of crap, but it's intriguing nevertheless.
And even if it's accurate that Anderson will sign with the Panthers, the Browns would have seven days to match the offer sheet. It's highly unlikely, however, that they would.

that would be hilarious if the panthers were stupid enough to do this. ill take delhomme as a backup

[That One Guy]

man if we got fanaca, richardson, or briggs i would be happy....and throw in bryant johnson or shaun rogers and i would **** my pants

If you know what's good for you, you'll correct the spelling on that first name... trust me.

[theAPAOps5]

Damn right he better change that speeling and reeeeaaalll quick like.

[kdissette]

If you know what's good for you, you'll correct the spelling on that first name... trust me.

what are you talking about?

[Bob]

Yeah, i heard about Moss on the radio today.

Said he was signing a three year deal i think.

Couldnt be a better place for him...

His last year with the Raiders he looked like the biggest collective waste of fading talent. Obviously, I was wrong.

[That One Guy]

A reader has pointed out to us a curious quote at the bottom of the Wikipedia entry of Browns quarterback Derek Anderson (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm#):
"It is rumored that he has signed a $47 million contract with the Carolina Panthers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derek_Anderson_(American_football)), with $17 million guranteed [sic]. Browns would receive a 1st and 3rd pick in the 2008 draft. Panthers pick 13th."
It's probably a load of crap, but it's intriguing nevertheless.
And even if it's accurate that Anderson will sign with the Panthers, the Browns would have seven days to match the offer sheet. It's highly unlikely, however, that they would.

that would be hilarious if the panthers were stupid enough to do this. ill take delhomme as a backup

I saw that as well. I think it'd be hillarious for something like this to be in place and written before FA ever kicked off. As it is though, Carolina can't go into the season and think they're set. I've never been a major fan of Delhomme and Anderson did some nice things last year.

[theAPAOps5]

cah is this one of those mania kids?

Read around the board kd, you will find what he means.

[That One Guy]

Couldnt be a better place for him...

His last year with the Raiders he looked like the biggest collective waste of fading talent. Obviously, I was wrong.

I just thought he'd turn his performance into a Redskinsesque 40 Mil contract or something. Can't imagine NE paying the big bucks out.

[spdirty]

Neal among three released by Chargers

Associated Press

SAN DIEGO -- All-Pro fullback Lorenzo Neal (http://www.nfl.com/players/lorenzoneal/profile?id=NEA237924) was released Thursday by the San Diego Chargers (http://www.nfl.com/teams/sandiegochargers/profile?team=SD), who also parted with safety Marlon McCree (http://www.nfl.com/players/marlonmccree/profile?id=MCC703848) and right tackle Shane Olivea (http://www.nfl.com/players/shaneolivea/profile?id=OLI195248) in the hours before free agency opened.

[kdissette]

no actually i dont but i do know this is a forum and not an english class please tell me your not one of those rubes that takes these chat forums much too seriously.

[That One Guy]

what are you talking about?

Look up the guys name, change it, then do a search for the thread labeled "foneco"... you'll think me later

[Los Broncos]

Couldnt be a better place for him...

His last year with the Raiders he looked like the biggest collective waste of fading talent. Obviously, I was wrong.

I think he tanked it to get traded, obviously it worked out well for him.

[That One Guy]

cah is this one of those mania kids?

Read around the board kd, you will find what he means.

It must be...

As they say, "he don't know"

[kdissette]

Look up the guys name, change it, then do a search for the thread labeled "foneco"... you'll think me later

oh you mean his name isnt fanaca oh well i dont care much to go look thru forums to find a "special" way to spell it i dont really care much about that....sorry.

[theAPAOps5]

Seriously go read around. We are far from making fun of your spelling. No nead to get defensive. There is a running joke around here. Now take a deep breath count to 10 and repeat after me, Its only the internet. Now exhale and ahhhh much better.

[That One Guy]

Damn right he better change that speeling and reeeeaaalll quick like.

LOL ... I keep coming back to this and chuckling about how that original guy could've simply laughed it off and edited his title... but no... he had to be come the next Hixon...

[That One Guy]

I'm gonna call it a night, I don't wanna be here when Foneco and Fanaca show down... it's gonna be brutal and innocent bystanders will be hurt.

[kdissette]

geez i think you guys are the ones taking this a little to seriously. i mean do you really find it necessary to be a jackass for someone not being familiar with your inside joke?

[kdissette]

PORTER TO VISIT JAGS
Alex Marvez of FOXSports.com reports that free-agent receiver Jerry Porter will visit the Jaguars on Friday (http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Alex_Marvez/2008/02/28/Source_Porter_Samuel_set_for_visits).
Porter would be the second new receiver added by Jacksonville. A trade soon will be official (if it isn't already) to send Vikings receiver Troy Williamson to the Jags.

[Los Broncos]

Jacksonville would be loaded if they can get Porter there.

[kdissette]

i dont know about you but i feel a little better that i havent heard any big moves by the broncos yet. i remember last year i about had a stroke with all the wheelin and dealin we were doing. we were like the vikings and saints this year.

[That One Guy]

geez i think you guys are the ones taking this a little to seriously. i mean do you really find it necessary to be a jackass for someone not being familiar with your inside joke?

We were having fun until you decided to take a stand on your spelling. Now you'll deal with the consequences.

I heard the first showdown between Foneco and Fanaca was what initially created planet earth. Their second showdown created Chuck Norris; their 3rd created Hixon. I can't wait to see what this one brings...

[Los Broncos]

If we make a move i sure hope we don't give up to much.

I want to ride out the youth movement we have going.

[Los Broncos]

We were having fun until you decided to take a stand on your spelling. Now you'll deal with the consequences.

I heard the first showdown between Foneco and Fanaca was what initially created planet earth. Their second showdown created Chuck Norris; their 3rd created Hixon. I can't wait to see what this one brings...

Ut oh...

[Goobzilla]

I'm here all night, lets land some big fish. Does anyone have Foneco's cell #?

[Inkana7]

Rotoworld says we've been linked to Briggs.

[vancejohnson82]

If we picked up "Foneco" and "Biggis" our practices would be televised

[Ratboy]

Rotoworld says we've been linked to Briggs.

I highly doubt we will pursue him. We have a pretty good weakside linebacker in DJ Williams. Hopefully we look at a MLB and move him back.

[Killericon]

I highly doubt we will pursue him. We have a pretty good weakside linebacker in DJ Williams. Hopefully we look at a MLB and move him back.

Like who? I'm with you all the way, but unless we draft Connor(I think I'm starting to support drafting the guy just so I could say the Broncos drafted me), then DJ at MLB and Briggs at Will would be much better than any other solution. In any case, there's no way in hell we could afford the guy.

[LonghornBronco]

Packers send Williams to Cleveland for a second. Reported on ESPN's web site

[Traveler]

Anyone else noting how teams are finalizing trades but we can't unload any of ours?

[vancejohnson82]

Gold will be released
Javon will be released

Foxworth has value, probably our only guy we can dangle

I don't know why the team made is so apparent that the first two were going to be released.....no one is going to trade for them

[ohiobronco2]

Gold will be released
Javon will be released

Foxworth has value, probably our only guy we can dangle

I don't know why the team made is so apparent that the first two were going to be released.....no one is going to trade for them

Exactly. We made a major mistake by letting people know about the severity of Javon's injury. Of course if Javon would have kept this internal and didn't make a media circus out of his demands to leave, we may have been able to accomodate him and get something in return. Oh well, we won't be doing as much dealing this offseason, I just wish we could have more picks.

[Killericon]

Gold will be released
Javon will be released

Foxworth has value, probably our only guy we can dangle

I don't know why the team made is so apparent that the first two were going to be released.....no one is going to trade for them

How did we make it apparent that Gold was gonna be released?

[SouthStndJunkie]

My darkhorse for a Broncos signing is WR Jerry Porter.

[TheDave]

Exactly. We made a major mistake by letting people know about the severity of Javon's injury. Of course if Javon would have kept this internal and didn't make a media circus out of his demands to leave, we may have been able to accomodate him and get something in return. Oh well, we won't be doing as much dealing this offseason, I just wish we could have more picks.

Watching Shanahan tell the world that Javon was going to need micro-fracture in a couple of years was some of the most bizarre, petty behavior i have ever seen.

[vancejohnson82]

How did we make it apparent that Gold was gonna be released?


well, when the Denver Post and RockyMountainNews start posting rumors it means it was all but put up on fuc*in Myspace

and they both reported that Gold would be released

[montrose]

Sirius reports the Fade are close to signing Gabril Wilson.

My darkhorse for a Broncos signing is WR Jerry Porter.

I'd be cool with that if the price was right. That guy has killed us more than a few times through the years.

[ohiobronco2]

Williams to Vikings

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3270653

On the bright side, we did resign NATE JACKSON.

[Punisher]

Sanits get Vilma for a 4th round pick

[ohiobronco2]

Sanits get Vilma for a 4th round pick

Yep and I would have made that trade in a nano second. Next years class will most likely be pretty weak.

[BroncoBuff]

Watching Shanahan tell the world that Javon was going to need micro-fracture in a couple of years was some of the most bizarre, petty behavior i have ever seen.
Agreed. I said at the time I thought he was purposely poisoning Javon's free agent value to try and force him to re-structure and stay. Looks like the staying part backfired, but I think Javon will definitely lose real money in any contract as a direct result of Shanahan's statement ... it's been quoted over and over dozens of times.

Sometimes "the good guys" and "the bad guys" are not so easy to identify.

[HorseHead]

Porter is signing with the Jags......

[montrose]

Jaguars sign WR Porter

The Jaguars bolstered their receiving corps on Friday as they signed former Raiders wide receiver Jerry Porter to a six-year, $30 million deal that includes $10 million worth of guaranteed money.
--Adam Schefter

[Punisher]

"Asante Samuels going to philly in a few minutes" John Clayton

[ChampBailey24]

porter to jags official

[55CrushEm]

Does Nate Jackson have pictures of Shanny with naked boys? For God's sake....why do we keep re-signing this guy ??

[Beantown Bronco]

"Asante Samuels going to philly in a few minutes" John Clayton

That's crazy quick. If I was in Asante's shoes, I would've let teams wine and dine me and tell me how great I am for at least a week or two before signing. That's pretty much the whole point in being a FA.....

[montrose]

5 years, 47 million for Samuel in Philly

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=365654

[Bob]

Exactly. We made a major mistake by letting people know about the severity of Javon's injury. Of course if Javon would have kept this internal and didn't make a media circus out of his demands to leave, we may have been able to accomodate him and get something in return. Oh well, we won't be doing as much dealing this offseason, I just wish we could have more picks.

Every year we do this...

and the Denver Post bashes those we are going to let go as lazy malcontents...

[Beantown Bronco]

5 years, 47 million for Samuel in Philly

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=365654

Those are really small numbers considering the Nate Clements deal last year. It must be heavily guaranteed, as opposed to Nate's deal, which has at least two or three fictional years at the end.

[montrose]

Miami signed Earnest Wilford.