Baltimore Cop vs. 14yr old

[i4jelway7]

Funny stuff... I wonder why no one respects the cops

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hxOr3q7nrk

[Florida_Bronco]

Definetly a bad move on the cops part, but thankfully cops like this are a very small minority.

[TheDave]

That dude... err...sorry, officer Riviera has some anger issue to deal with.

[BMF Bronco]

What a prick, between him, the Ohio cops that raped that woman and the guys here, it's easy to see how they're so hated.

[Spider]

Thats assualt , he clearly assualted that kid .... at the end he starts worrying about the camera . his punk ass is now been You Tubed .......

[Broncos_OTM]

ACAB.... nothing new. cops have been harrasseing me like that for years.

[OABB]

i'm sorry, but I have absolutely NO problem with this whatsoever. I actually found myself clapping for this officer. am I crazy? to me it seems like this officer is trying to warn this kid that if he doesn't show proper respect, that eventually someone will hurt him.

This is a fact of life. You never know who you are going to piss off, so you should be carefull about how you express yourself. to back talk an officer is just stupid.

If that where my son in that tape, i would slap him when he got home and buy that cop a beer.

Maybe I am turning in to one of those old crumungins(sp?), but come on, illegally skateboarding, and than giving lip to a cop is deserving of a beatdown imo.

also, keep in mind, that there is obvioulsy more to this tape at the beginning that we don't see.

I know many here will defend that punk kid and his parents will probably sue, and that cop will get fired and all that, but I am going to stand up here, and now for this officer for trying to instill the proper fear and respect into that kids head. a lot more fathers should be doing that.

I myself had to learn the hard way as I got older, because my parents where ex hippies that thought that discipline was mean. I had a hard time when I got to my twenties, and I garauntee this kid will too.

Being a man is about showing respect, and knowing when to keep your mouth shut.

I am sweating now. I am going to the skate park to kick some ass!

[TheDave]

i'm sorry, but I have absolutely NO problem with this whatsoever. I actually found myself clapping for this officer. am I crazy? to me it seems like this officer is trying to warn this kid that if he doesn't show proper respect, that eventually someone will hurt him.

This is a fact of life. You never know who you are going to piss off, so you should be carefull about how you express yourself. to back talk an officer is just stupid.

If that where my son in that tape, i would slap him when he got home and buy that cop a beer.

Maybe I am turning in to one of those old crumungins(sp?), but come on, illegally skateboarding, and than giving lip to a cop is deserving of a beatdown imo.

also, keep in mind, that there is obvioulsy more to this tape at the beginning that we don't see.

I know many here will defend that punk kid and his parents will probably sue, and that cop will get fired and all that, but I am going to stand up here, and now for this officer for trying to instill the proper fear and respect into that kids head. a lot more fathers should be doing that.

I myself had to learn the hard way as I got older, because my parents where ex hippies that thought that discipline was mean. I had a hard time when I got to my twenties, and I garauntee this kid will too.

Being a man is about showing respect, and knowing when to keep your mouth shut.

I am sweating now. I am going to the skate park to kick some ass!

Had this officer not assaulted the kid, shoved him on the ground, and confiscated his skateboard i would agree with you. Unfortunately, that isn't the case.

[bfoflcommish]

i'm sorry, but I have absolutely NO problem with this whatsoever. I actually found myself clapping for this officer. am I crazy? to me it seems like this officer is trying to warn this kid that if he doesn't show proper respect, that eventually someone will hurt him.

This is a fact of life. You never know who you are going to piss off, so you should be carefull about how you express yourself. to back talk an officer is just stupid.

If that where my son in that tape, i would slap him when he got home and buy that cop a beer.

Maybe I am turning in to one of those old crumungins(sp?), but come on, illegally skateboarding, and than giving lip to a cop is deserving of a beatdown imo.

also, keep in mind, that there is obvioulsy more to this tape at the beginning that we don't see.

I know many here will defend that punk kid and his parents will probably sue, and that cop will get fired and all that, but I am going to stand up here, and now for this officer for trying to instill the proper fear and respect into that kids head. a lot more fathers should be doing that.

I myself had to learn the hard way as I got older, because my parents where ex hippies that thought that discipline was mean. I had a hard time when I got to my twenties, and I garauntee this kid will too.

Being a man is about showing respect, and knowing when to keep your mouth shut.

I am sweating now. I am going to the skate park to kick some ass!


did you not see him grab him, choke hold him, throw him to ground and snatch his board out his hands???????


the whole respect part sure I agree with you...but nothing the kid said warrented being assulted.

[Spider]

i'm sorry, but I have absolutely NO problem with this whatsoever. I actually found myself clapping for this officer. am I crazy? to me it seems like this officer is trying to warn this kid that if he doesn't show proper respect, that eventually someone will hurt him.

This is a fact of life. You never know who you are going to piss off, so you should be carefull about how you express yourself. to back talk an officer is just stupid.

If that where my son in that tape, i would slap him when he got home and buy that cop a beer.

Maybe I am turning in to one of those old crumungins(sp?), but come on, illegally skateboarding, and than giving lip to a cop is deserving of a beatdown imo.

also, keep in mind, that there is obvioulsy more to this tape at the beginning that we don't see.

I know many here will defend that punk kid and his parents will probably sue, and that cop will get fired and all that, but I am going to stand up here, and now for this officer for trying to instill the proper fear and respect into that kids head. a lot more fathers should be doing that.

I myself had to learn the hard way as I got older, because my parents where ex hippies that thought that discipline was mean. I had a hard time when I got to my twenties, and I garauntee this kid will too.

Being a man is about showing respect, and knowing when to keep your mouth shut.

I am sweating now. I am going to the skate park to kick some ass!
LOL sarcasim at its finest

[DomCasual]

It's just a guess, but I bet that Officer Riviera has a little penis.

[Kaylore]

I saw a fat guy that was picking on a kid. Yeah he was probably one of those loser punks that jacks up the concrete with their "totally awesome skate tricks, bra" but that doesn't warrant this guy's temper issue. It's not like the kid did anything wrong. He probably could have been more respectful but that doesn't give him the right to accost a guy a third his size and start screaming at him. If the kid had done something legitimately wrong than I might have sided with the cop.There is a fine line, but this guy crossed it.

[RaiderH8r]

Kids today have no understanding of the world. In my day this would have never gone down like that......we would have made that fat f()(k run a couple of pounds off chasing us down. One look at the small family he's housing under his midsection clearly indicated this was a flight situation. Throw into the mix that he's been approriated the Glorified Golf Cart of Criminal Justice by his peers tells you exactly how much respect he deserves, he doesn't get it from his superiors or colleagues he sure as shooting wouldn't have gotten it from me. This is the problem with America, kids are too out of shape to outrun fata$$ cops like this clown. His moral indignation over skateboarding was more than a little over the line. He went straight to escalation and imposition of power. Those kids should find out where he lives and poop on his car.

[Spider]

Kids today have no understanding of the world. In my day this would have never gone down like that......we would have made that fat f()(k run a couple of pounds off chasing us down. One look at the small family he's housing under his midsection clearly indicated this was a flight situation. Throw into the mix that he's been approriated a glorified golf cart of enforcement by his peers tells you exactly how much respect he deserves, he doesn't get it from his superiors or colleagues he sure as shooting wouldn't have gotten it from me. This is the problem with America, kids are too out of shape to outrun fata$$ cops like this clown. His moral indignation over skateboarding was more than a little over the line. He went straight to escalation and imposition of power. Those kids should find out where he lives and poop on his car.

LOL . yeah Out ran a few cops in my day ...we showed no mercy on security guards

[s0phr0syne]

i'm sorry, but I have absolutely NO problem with this whatsoever. I actually found myself clapping for this officer. am I crazy? to me it seems like this officer is trying to warn this kid that if he doesn't show proper respect, that eventually someone will hurt him.

This is a fact of life. You never know who you are going to piss off, so you should be carefull about how you express yourself. to back talk an officer is just stupid.

If that where my son in that tape, i would slap him when he got home and buy that cop a beer.

Maybe I am turning in to one of those old crumungins(sp?), but come on, illegally skateboarding, and than giving lip to a cop is deserving of a beatdown imo.

also, keep in mind, that there is obvioulsy more to this tape at the beginning that we don't see.

I know many here will defend that punk kid and his parents will probably sue, and that cop will get fired and all that, but I am going to stand up here, and now for this officer for trying to instill the proper fear and respect into that kids head. a lot more fathers should be doing that.

I myself had to learn the hard way as I got older, because my parents where ex hippies that thought that discipline was mean. I had a hard time when I got to my twenties, and I garauntee this kid will too.

Being a man is about showing respect, and knowing when to keep your mouth shut.

I am sweating now. I am going to the skate park to kick some ass!



Well, maybe you're being sarcastic, in which case your post is hilarious, but if you're being serious...I've got some issues with the parts I've bolded.


I agree that kids/people in general need to have the street smarts to recognize bad situations and respect others in public, but I really don't want to live in some society where I need to walk around in a constant state of "fear." And I really don't see how being subservient to someone is what defines anyone as a "man."


I know there's probably another world out there on the streets where you do have to be scared, and hold your tongue if you want to get by, but that isn't how it's supposed to be.

[CBF1]

I was hoping the cop was going to give that little shlt a suplex and knock the snot out of that disrepectful kid. Cops should carry tazers for kids like that.

[brncs_fan]

Had this officer not assaulted the kid, shoved him on the ground, and confiscated his skateboard i would agree with you. Unfortunately, that isn't the case.

+1. Simply puting the kid in cuffs for a while when he was mouthing off or having him call his mother first would have been more than sufficient.

[ColoradoDarin]

"a dude is somebody who works on a ranch"

Classic! What the Foneco was this kid thinking when he kept talking back?

I don't what led to the cop taking the kid down and then confiscating the skateboard, but he's certainly not out of control in the rest of the tape. Angry and forceful in his speech, but nothing to suggest that he's over the line. We don't see what the kid is doing at that point. We don't know if the cop gave back the skateboard after the talking (more than likely he did, I've seen similar situations). So count me with O&BB in clapping for the cop.

[RaiderH8r]

LOL . yeah Out ran a few cops in my day ...we showed no mercy on security guards

Honestly, I'm all for a little law and order in my old age and have a new found respect for officers and all that sh@t. But a$$holes are a$$holes no matter how much authority society bestows upon them.

Outrunning cops is the same as outrunning bears, if you're the slow fat kid you'll get eaten every time so you better be crafty. I may not have been the fastest but I could get over a fence and up a tree quicker than a ring tailed lemur. More than once I planted my arse on a rooftop as my hideout of choice.

[OABB]

did you not see him grab him, choke hold him, throw him to ground and snatch his board out his hands???????


the whole respect part sure I agree with you...but nothing the kid said warrented being assulted.

yes I did. that is the part where i clapped. and no spider, i am not kidding here. Assault? hardly. he bitch slapped the kid.

to me, assualt is a beating ala Rodney King. this is a harmless slap. the kid has no concussion or scars, he got pimped and lost his skateboard.

this world has gone mad!

[DomCasual]

Well, maybe you're being sarcastic, in which case your post is hilarious, but if you're being serious...I've got some issues with the parts I've bolded.


I agree that kids/people in general need to have the street smarts to recognize bad situations and respect others in public, but I really don't want to live in some society where I need to walk around in a constant state of "fear." And I really don't see how being subservient to someone is what defines anyone as a "man."


I know there's probably another world out there on the streets where you do have to be scared, and hold your tongue if you want to get by, but that isn't how it's supposed to be.

Sounds to me like someone needs a boot up their ass. :nono:

[RaiderH8r]

yes I did. that is the part where i clapped. and no spider, i am not kidding here. Assault? hardly. he b**** slapped the kid.

to me, assualt is a beating ala Rodney King. this is a harmless slap. the kid has no concussion or scars, he got pimped and lost his skateboard.

this world has gone mad!

I still think somebody should poop on the cops car.

[Spider]

yes I did. that is the part where i clapped. and no spider, i am not kidding here. Assault? hardly. he b**** slapped the kid.

to me, assualt is a beating ala Rodney King. this is a harmless slap. the kid has no concussion or scars, he got pimped and lost his skateboard.

this world has gone mad!

wait , you are saying it is ok for a fat man to put a 14 year old kid in a choke hold ? Buddy if my kid lipped off to you and you put your hands on him , you would be a a hurting ****ing unit , and fast .......

[BMF Bronco]

What ever happened to the mantra, "to must earn respect"? I don't know what the kid did to piss Chief Wiggum off but if that dick was yelling at me like that he'd get no respect from me either.

[bfoflcommish]

yes I did. that is the part where i clapped. and no spider, i am not kidding here. Assault? hardly. he b**** slapped the kid.

to me, assualt is a beating ala Rodney King. this is a harmless slap. the kid has no concussion or scars, he got pimped and lost his skateboard.

this world has gone mad!


so you like to walk around saying ****** & ****er and think it's ok for cops to be beating 14 year old kids who say dude to them...at least we know now somethings about you in just a few posts today.

[Spider]

Honestly, I'm all for a little law and order in my old age and have a new found respect for officers and all that sh@t. But a$$holes are a$$holes no matter how much authority society bestows upon them.

Outrunning cops is the same as outrunning bears, if you're the slow fat kid you'll get eaten every time so you better be crafty. I may not have been the fastest but I could get over a fence and up a tree quicker than a ring tailed lemur. More than once I planted my arse on a rooftop as my hideout of choice.

LOL, if those kids started mouthing off took off running , I would have laughed my ass off .....

[DomCasual]

I still think somebody should poop on the cops go-kart.

Fixed that for you.

[RaiderH8r]

wait , you are saying it is ok for a fat man to put a 14 year old kid in a choke hold ? Buddy if my kid lipped off to you and you put your hands on him , you would be a a hurting ****ing unit , and fast .......

Granted, I would put a pop knot on my kid if I had been his parent. 1. he got caught. 2. he knew he was doing wrong. 3. he got caught by Chief Wiggum.

After dealing with the kid the cop would have to be dealt with.

[OABB]

Well, maybe you're being sarcastic, in which case your post is hilarious, but if you're being serious...I've got some issues with the parts I've bolded.


I agree that kids/people in general need to have the street smarts to recognize bad situations and respect others in public, but I really don't want to live in some society where I need to walk around in a constant state of "fear." And I really don't see how being subservient to someone is what defines anyone as a "man."


I know there's probably another world out there on the streets where you do have to be scared, and hold your tongue if you want to get by, but that isn't how it's supposed to be.


I am dead serious. I don't want to give the impression that we hsould all be afraid or living in a constant state of fear. I realize now that I used the term improperly. I meant fear as in the sence of "god fearing" or respect not as in peeing your pants or locking yourself indoors.

we all need to have a heightened sence of the reproccusions of our actions. that is all I mean. if you back talk a cop, or show disrespect to the wrong person it can get you killed. I truly believe that. always say please and thank you, and always give respect to those deserving.

If they don't deserve it, than walk away.

[BMF Bronco]

this cop deserved NO respect whatsoever!

[Spider]

Granted, I would put a pop knot on my kid if I had been his parent. 1. he got caught. 2. he knew he was doing wrong. 3. he got caught by Chief Wiggum.

After dealing with the kid the cop would have to be dealt with.
big time ......

[RaiderH8r]

LOL, if those kids started mouthing off took off running , I would have laughed my ass off .....

Every time I start to think cops may be alright something like this comes along to remind me why I loathe a good number of these bullies with badges. "Lick my boot heel kid". F you, f your mother, and I'm going to poop on your Go-Kart of Justice.

Christ it's like George Costanza with a power scooter and a badge. I'd have told the cop to eat my c*** but judging by the looks of him he would have taken it as an invitation.

[Spider]

Every time I start to think cops may be alright something like this comes along to remind me why I loathe a good number of these bullies with badges. "Lick my boot heel kid". F you, f your mother, and I'm going to poop on your Go-Kart of Justice.

Christ it's like George Costanza with a power scooter and a badge. I'd have told the cop to eat my c*** but judging by the looks of him he would have taken it as an invitation.

No **** , I would love to see him try and put me in a choke hold for calling him dude ..... That fat **** would be undoing his shirt to **** , by the time back up arrived ......

[OABB]

wait , you are saying it is ok for a fat man to put a 14 year old kid in a choke hold ? Buddy if my kid lipped off to you and you put your hands on him , you would be a a hurting ****ing unit , and fast .......

a fat man choking a 14 year old is something I wouldn't stand for. a cop bitch slapping a punk kid doesn't bother me so much.

you are making my point for me. I respect you and therefore i won't threaten your kids in a my response. however, you, in defense of your kids have threatened to beat me up.

you see you actually agree with me. If I were to geet into it with you here about beating up your kids, you would have every right to retaliate.

but please don't confuse what happened here. This cop might have lost his temper, but he is not merely a fat man choking an innocent child.

[CBF1]

Does anyone really think that cop "Kicked the kids azz" or beat the crapola out of him??? If lardass wanted to he could have snapped that kid in 2 without a second thought.

Spider, I will be your corner man when you kick whatever the posters name is :)

[Spider]

Man when you **** with peoples kids you are literaly putting your self in serious danger ...if the kid is doing something bad , then do what you got to.but for skating...... I want mr Fat **** in jail Gen Population , lets hear his bull**** about respect when his well stretched a-hole gets out ........

[RaiderH8r]

No **** , I would love to see him try and put me in a choke hold for calling him dude ..... That fat **** would be undoing his shirt to **** , by the time back up arrived ......

Don't underestimate officer Jelly Roll, he would put you in his famous butt pincers of ever lasting agony maneuver and you'd be picking dingle berries out of your mustache for months. Heaven help you if he gives you the tubs-o-fun flopdown stunner splash...you would be nothing but a grease spot on those steps. This guy's weakspot is endurance, run him down until he's winded then bash him with a folding chair, give him the flying elbow, and then hit him with the spider monkey scramble. He'll be done and Vince McMahon will be pleased.

On your way out...that's right...poop on his car.

[TailgateNut]

This is so typical of wanna be cops. He's a glorified meter maid, and that's why he's searching for anyone to respect him. I'd sue to have him removed from the force or at a minimum transfered to animal control so one of those dogs could gnaw on his little wienie. What an asshat!

[Spider]

Don't underestimate officer Jelly Roll, he would put you in his famous butt pincers of ever lasting agony maneuver and you'd be picking dingle berries out of your mustache for months. Heaven help you if he gives you the tubs-o-fun flopdown stunner splash...you would be nothing but a grease spot on those steps. This guy's weakspot is endurance, run him down until he's winded then bash him with a folding chair, give him the flying elbow, and then hit him with the spider monkey scramble. He'll be done and Vince McMahon will be pleased.

On your way out...that's right...poop on his car.

ROFL! ....

[OABB]

so you like to walk around saying ****** & ****er and think it's ok for cops to be beating 14 year old kids who say dude to them...at least we know now somethings about you in just a few posts today.

yes we do. I stand for what I beleive in and I am not afraid to be unpopular in doing so. If you read between the lines you will see that all I am condoning is treating your fellow humans with respect, and if anyone, including me, crosses that line than he should be man enough to accept the consequences.

I don't believe in changing what is seen to fit my agenda. A word is a word, and being disrespectfull will get you slapped.

that is all I have said. you have turned it into me being a homophobic racist who likes to beat kids.

this again, is why I will stand by what i said no matter what you think of me.

[Flex Gunmetal]

How can you think it is acceptable to handle a nonviolent minor like that?
The cop was probably a fat kid that got taunted all through school. Now he has a badge so he's a tough guy.
Hopefully he lost his job. I'm sorry, but if a cop came after me like that for just calling him 'dude' I wouldn't hesitate to take legal action.
BTW, cops don't deserve resect simply because they have a badge. There are too many corrupt asshole cops I have known and dealt with personally.

[Rohirrim]

Seems to be a lot of this stuff going around lately in this country. Cops are beginning to think they are somehow on some level above the citizens they serve. They think they can bully anybody, or taser anybody, at will. Maybe they would get a little more respect if they gave a little more respect. If you ask me, this kind of crap is just another consequence of the war on drugs. That is what caused police to become more militarized and created an "us and them" psychology among police forces. Hopefully, this kid's family gets a good lawyer and reams this police department, because that's the only way they'll get the message.

[RaiderH8r]

a fat man choking a 14 year old is something I wouldn't stand for. a cop b**** slapping a punk kid doesn't bother me so much.

you are making my point for me. I respect you and therefore i won't threaten your kids in a my response. however, you, in defense of your kids have threatened to beat me up.

you see you actually agree with me. If I were to geet into it with you here about beating up your kids, you would have every right to retaliate.

but please don't confuse what happened here. This cop might have lost his temper, but he is not merely a fat man choking an innocent child.

Actually a fat man choking an innocent child is exactly what he is. This cop needlessly escalated the situation, christ felons get better treatment than this kid got. A cop approaches a real criminal he talks normally, he doesn't run straight into screaming banter and demands. He tries a little reasoning. Pork chop here went straight at the kid, deal with my kid in this fashion you'll have more problems than you can handle, cop or not. Sit him down, talk to him, and lay off the screaming to begin with. Screaming out of the gate accomplishes nothing and triggers an instinctive defense mechanism in most people, and a defiant attitude in some.

[Spider]

a fat man choking a 14 year old is something I wouldn't stand for. a cop b**** slapping a punk kid doesn't bother me so much. Bull**** , I dont give a **** who you are in real life , yo utouch my kid like that , you have me to deal with ..... you wont do me like a 14 year old kid .......

you are making my point for me. I respect you and therefore i won't threaten your kids in a my response. however, you, in defense of your kids have threatened to beat me up. That kid never threatened that cop .... Not once . huge difference



but please don't confuse what happened here. This cop might have lost his temper, but he is not merely a fat man choking an innocent child.
this is a problem , you see the badge right away you make allownces , I dont , I saw a fat **** on a power trip choking a 14 year old kid , and that is exactly what it was , If I was there , and that wasnt my kid , that camera would have had a big ass redneck putting pilsbury doughboy in his place , before back up arrives

[TheDave]

Go-Kart of Justice... I can't stop laughing.

[TheDave]

..... you wont do me like a 14 year old kid .......



I promise that line will be used in this years survivor... :thumbs:

[Flex Gunmetal]

Bull**** , I dont give a **** who you are in real life , yo utouch my kid like that , you have me to deal with ..... you wont do me like a 14 year old kid .......

That kid never threatened that cop .... Not once . huge difference




this is a problem , you see the badge right away you make allownces , I dont , I saw a fat **** on a power trip choking a 14 year old kid , and that is exactly what it was , If I was there , and that wasnt my kid , that camera would have had a big ass redneck putting pilsbury doughboy in his place , before back up arrives

Good post.

[TailgateNut]

Actually a fat man choking an innocent child is exactly what he is. This cop needlessly escalated the situation, christ felons get better treatment than this kid got. A cop approaches a real criminal he talks normally, he doesn't run straight into screaming banter and demands. He tries a little reasoning. Pork chop here went straight at the kid, deal with my kid in this fashion you'll have more problems than you can handle, cop or not. Sit him down, talk to him, and lay off the screaming to begin with. Screaming out of the gate accomplishes nothing and triggers an instinctive defense mechanism in most people, and a defiant attitude in some.


Bingo! We have way to much of this mentality in today police force. The seem to think they are above the laws they are sworn to inforce.
Fire the fat ass meter maid.

[RaiderH8r]

This is so typical of wanna be cops. He's a glorified meter maid, and that's why he's searching for anyone to respect him. I'd sue to have him removed from the force or at a minimum transfered to animal control so one of those dogs could gnaw on his little wienie. What an asshat!

There's a reason his superiors put him on parking duty. They know he's a loser but his union won't let him be fired outright so he keeps his badge and writes parking tickets. He saw his chance to be John McClane and took it. He's a douchebag, the kid needs a couple more beatings to be sure, but not the cop's job. Cite him, arrest him, charge him, talk to him, all avenues of action available. Accosting the kid and taking away his skateboard to make some vague point about who's in charge is not one of those avenues.

[Spider]

I promise that line will be used in this years survivor... :thumbs:
LOL I really should watch what I type

[bfoflcommish]

yes we do. I stand for what I beleive in and I am not afraid to be unpopular in doing so. If you read between the lines you will see that all I am condoning is treating your fellow humans with respect, and if anyone, including me, crosses that line than he should be man enough to accept the consequences.

I don't believe in changing what is seen to fit my agenda. A word is a word, and being disrespectfull will get you slapped.

that is all I have said. you have turned it into me being a homophobic racist who likes to beat kids.

this again, is why I will stand by what i said no matter what you think of me.



I am dead serious. I don't want to give the impression that we hsould all be afraid or living in a constant state of fear. I realize now that I used the term improperly. I meant fear as in the sence of "god fearing" or respect not as in peeing your pants or locking yourself indoors.

we all need to have a heightened sence of the reproccusions of our actions. that is all I mean. if you back talk a cop, or show disrespect to the wrong person it can get you killed. I truly believe that. always say please and thank you, and always give respect to those deserving.

If they don't deserve it, than walk away.





ok wait...let me get this right

you feel it's ok to use whatever words that have been used as bigorty for years ayyway you want or see fit and it's ok, it shouldn't hurt anyones feelings

BUT

if a 14 year old kids uses a word that in no way shape or form is hurt ful it is also ok for that person being called it to get offended and chokehold and throw down a kid????



GOT IT!

[OABB]

Bull**** , I dont give a **** who you are in real life , yo utouch my kid like that , you have me to deal with ..... you wont do me like a 14 year old kid .......

That kid never threatened that cop .... Not once . huge difference




this is a problem , you see the badge right away you make allownces , I dont , I saw a fat **** on a power trip choking a 14 year old kid , and that is exactly what it was , If I was there , and that wasnt my kid , that camera would have had a big ass redneck putting pilsbury doughboy in his place , before back up arrives


When I read these posts I can't help but feel a little misunderstood. I normally have a healthy fear of police officers, and there are times when they no doubt cross the line. This particular case is not that way imo.

You see, I agree with you for the most part, but I can't help but feel that most people are over reacting to cases like these. I know where this is going, and there will be major lawsuits and whatnot. this is not Rodney king. This is not 41 bullets into the chest of an unarmed man. this is not a night stick up the pooper, this is bitch slapping a 14 year old punk.

Normally I would be on the bandwagon with you and call for his head, but this particular case does not bother me in the least.

and yes, the kid never threatened him, and this officer may have over reacted. BUT, if you listen to the officer he is trying to get the kid to understand one valuable rule: "this behavior will get you killed" those are his exact words.

[Flex Gunmetal]

When I read these posts I can't help but feel a little misunderstood. I normally have a healthy fear of police officers, and there are times when they no doubt cross the line. This particular case is not that way imo.

You see, I agree with you for the most part, but I can't help but feel that most people are over reacting to cases like these. I know where this is going, and there will be major lawsuits and whatnot. this is not Rodney king. This is not 41 bullets into the chest of an unarmed man. this is not a night stick up the pooper, this is b**** slapping a 14 year old punk.

Normally I would be on the bandwagon with you and call for his head, but this particular case does not bother me in the least.

and yes, the kid never threatened him, and this officer may have over reacted. BUT, if you listen to the officer he is trying to get the kid to understand one valuable rule: "this behavior will get you killed" those are his exact words.

There is no such thing as a "healthy fear of police".

Calling someone dude will not get you killed unless you are really in the wrong neighborhood.

And how is he teaching this kid any form of respect by reacting in a violent way to nonthreatening, unoffensive behavior?

There is nothing about this situation that is right, except if the cop lost his job.

[TailgateNut]

When I read these posts I can't help but feel a little misunderstood. I normally have a healthy fear of police officers, and there are times when they no doubt cross the line. This particular case is not that way imo.

You see, I agree with you for the most part, but I can't help but feel that most people are over reacting to cases like these. I know where this is going, and there will be major lawsuits and whatnot. this is not Rodney king. This is not 41 bullets into the chest of an unarmed man. this is not a night stick up the pooper, this is b**** slapping a 14 year old punk.

Normally I would be on the bandwagon with you and call for his head, but this particular case does not bother me in the least.

and yes, the kid never threatened him, and this officer may have over reacted. BUT, if you listen to the officer he is trying to get the kid to understand one valuable rule: "this behavior will get you killed" those are his exact words.


Sorry to burst your bubble, but the officer did not handle this situation in a professional manner. PERIOD. He had no right to manhandle this child (yes 14YO's are children). If an officer pulls me over for a traffic infraction and approaches me like this idiot and I call him a pig, he cannot manhandle me because of what I say to him. I can even tear up the ticket, and he still can't do a damn thing. He might get his panties in a bunch, but that's all.
If he does respond with physical violence and I have proof, his ass is mine.

[OABB]

ok wait...let me get this right

you feel it's ok to use whatever words that have been used as bigorty for years ayyway you want or see fit and it's ok, it shouldn't hurt anyones feelings

BUT

if a 14 year old kids uses a word that in no way shape or form is hurt ful it is also ok for that person being called it to get offended and chokehold and throw down a kid????



GOT IT!

yes. exactly. I don't think people should view words with the power they give weapons. (using your n-word/rope example)

and yes, my choice to use whatever word I want is my right, however if I disprespecta particular person with said word, than I am willing to accept the consequences.

I said i can say what I want, but I also respect all people. you will never hear me call a gay man a ****** or a african american a ****er. does that mean my lips will never form those sounds in the privacy of my own home, or in cavalier conversation. no.

my point again. You are a man(or woman) and you have the right to say anything you want, but if you disrepect people, be prepared to pay. whether there reaction is right or wrong or overboard, be prepared.

all of our actions have consequences, both good and bad. This is a crazy mixed up world and you must be willing to stand up in it.

We are all god's creatures, and we all deserve respect upfront, or at least until we do something that causes the loss of respect.

[Br0nc0Buster]

How can you think it is acceptable to handle a nonviolent minor like that?
The cop was probably a fat kid that got taunted all through school. Now he has a badge so he's a tough guy.
Hopefully he lost his job. I'm sorry, but if a cop came after me like that for just calling him 'dude' I wouldn't hesitate to take legal action.
BTW, cops don't deserve resect simply because they have a badge. There are too many corrupt a-hole cops I have known and dealt with personally.


I agree, I think a lot of these cops act like this because they were losers when they were younger, and it makes them feel better to have authority over other people. I also think some of it could be because of the "Lucifer Effect", I think is what it is called, that explains how when people are put in a position of power, it can bring out their most aggressive behaviors.

[bfoflcommish]

yes. exactly. I don't think people should view words with the power they give weapons. (using your n-word/rope example)

and yes, my choice to use whatever word I want is my right, however if I disprespecta particular person with said word, than I am willing to accept the consequences.

I said i can say what I want, but I also respect all people. you will never hear me call a gay man a ****** or a african american a ****er. does that mean my lips will never form those sounds in the privacy of my own home, or in cavalier conversation. no.

my point again. You are a man(or woman) and you have the right to say anything you want, but if you disrepect people, be prepared to pay. whether there reaction is right or wrong or overboard, be prepared.

all of our actions have consequences, both good and bad. This is a crazy mixed up world and you must be willing to stand up in it.

We are all god's creatures, and we all deserve respect upfront, or at least until we do something that causes the loss of respect.



and if anyone around you takes offense to it they are free to beat you down? Sure you and I may know the context into which you are talking but what if we don't see someone around at the time of said word?

[Flex Gunmetal]

yes. exactly. I don't think people should view words with the power they give weapons. (using your n-word/rope example)

and yes, my choice to use whatever word I want is my right, however if I disprespecta particular person with said word, than I am willing to accept the consequences.

I said i can say what I want, but I also respect all people. you will never hear me call a gay man a ****** or a african american a ****er. does that mean my lips will never form those sounds in the privacy of my own home, or in cavalier conversation. no.

my point again. You are a man(or woman) and you have the right to say anything you want, but if you disrepect people, be prepared to pay. whether there reaction is right or wrong or overboard, be prepared.

all of our actions have consequences, both good and bad. This is a crazy mixed up world and you must be willing to stand up in it.

We are all god's creatures, and we all deserve respect upfront, or at least until we do something that causes the loss of respect.

What, exactly, did this kid do to deserve being assaulted? (yes, this could be viewed as assault)

And it's cool to talk **** when someone's not around, but if they do hear you they have free right to whoop your ass?

[TailgateNut]

What, exactly, did this kid do to deserve being assaulted? (yes, this could be viewed as assault)


He failed to call him "master"!:spit:

[Los Broncos]

I can see where he may hate kids riding where their not suppose too.

But, you have to show better judgement and not strong arm little kids.

[OABB]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but the officer did not handle this situation in a professional manner. PERIOD. He had no right to manhandle this child (yes 14YO's are children). If an officer pulls me over for a traffic infraction and approaches me like this idiot and I call him a pig, he cannot manhandle me because of what I say to him. I can even tear up the ticket, and he still can't do a damn thing. He might get his panties in a bunch, but that's all.
If he does respond with physical violence and I have proof, his ass is mine.

and that is the problem. peopple like you want to be able to act anyway you see fit and not face the consequences. this is how we are de-evolving as a society. I normally wouldn't be defending this cop for what he did, and no, it certainly wasn't "professional". but you see, we all want to hide behind attornies and not be subject to waht we do or say.

and again, I am not saying it's o.k. to beat up a kid. What I am saying, is that sometimes people need to step back and realize that the law won't always protect you.

your example is perfect. You want to be able to call a cop names all day long because they can't do anything about it. what if the officer you are mouthing off to is already on the edge and just snaps?

it happens all the time.

This officer, in my honest oppinion, although obvioulsy unprofessional, is really trying to pass this on to the kid. Listen to him. He isn't just beating the kid cause he is fat and has an inferiority complex, he is trying to tell the kid to watch how he acts, because there is a REAL world out there.

All of our children need to hear this, and if they want to pretend that they are above it, or like you promote, can get away with it, than they are in for real tough times.

I am not condoning the behaivior of slapping, I am condoning trying to get this message into that kid before he really gets hurt.

[TheDave]

What, exactly, did this kid do to deserve being assaulted? (yes, this could be viewed as assault)

Technically it is assualt and battery...


assault - A crime that occurs when one person tries to physically harm another in a way that makes the person under attack feel immediately threatened. Actual physical contact is not necessary; threatening gestures that would alarm any reasonable person can constitute an assault. Compare battery.


battery - A crime consisting of physical contact that is intended to harm someone. Unintentional harmful contact is not battery, no mater how careless the behavior or how severe the injury. A fist fight is a common battery; being hit by a wild pitch in a baseball game is not.

[OABB]

and if anyone around you takes offense to it they are free to beat you down? Sure you and I may know the context into which you are talking but what if we don't see someone around at the time of said word?

yes. they can try to, sure. I would understand, but I am also trained to handle physical confrontation, and I will be sure to forewarn them of this before it escalates.

[TailgateNut]

I see and hear this type of prejudice exists more often than not. I especially "love" the "punk" references. I personally know several kids his age who are skateboarders but are also on the honor roll at school. So, we must keep in mind to not judge a book by it's cover.
Oh, I almost forgot. Take that "god fearing" comment and "file it".

[Broncosfreak_56]

The fatass got what he deserved...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdO0XWFG62M&NR=1

[TailgateNut]

yes. they can try to, sure. I would understand, but I am also trained to handle physical confrontation, and I will be sure to forewarn them of this before it escalates.

LOL

WUAAAAHHH, I must warn, I know KARATE!ROFL!

[TailgateNut]

The fatass got what he deserved...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdO0XWFG62M&NR=1

I guess that'll do.

[OABB]

What, exactly, did this kid do to deserve being assaulted? (yes, this could be viewed as assault)

And it's cool to talk **** when someone's not around, but if they do hear you they have free right to whoop your ass?

again, yes. You see, I am the one saying watch what you say, because even if you don't mean to offend, you still can. but, I am also not going to pull a holier -than-tough mantra and say that I never ever use the n-word or f-word.

at least I am honest. maybe you and other's have never used the words, and that is your choice, but I pretty sure that most of you, if you can look at yourself in the mirror know that they do. It's just words. it is your intent behind them that is imortant.

[bfoflcommish]

yes. they can try to, sure. I would understand, but I am also trained to handle physical confrontation, and I will be sure to forewarn them of this before it escalates.


so you are trained to fight and will use it after saying something that could be offensive to some!


:thumbsup:

[Flex Gunmetal]

LOL

WUAAAAHHH, I must warn, I know KARATE!ROFL!

Hilarious! Hilarious! Hilarious!

[Flex Gunmetal]

again, yes. You see, I am the one saying watch what you say, because even if you don't mean to offend, you still can. but, I am also not going to pull a holier -than-tough mantra and say that I never ever use the n-word or f-word.

at least I am honest. maybe you and other's have never used the words, and that is your choice, but I pretty sure that most of you, if you can look at yourself in the mirror know that they do. It's just words. it is your intent behind them that is imortant.

Ok, so you support illegal reaction to harmless words.

I do to at times, but not when it's from the police. I cannot believe you seriously condone this cop's behavior. I'm 90% sure you are joking.

[bfoflcommish]

o&bb: hey bfofl you are acting like a foggot
bfofl: ah bro shut up whatever
homosexual walking by: hm excuse I find that word very offensive
o&bb: man whatever! you might want to stop there because I am trained to fight.

[Los Broncos]

LOL

WUAAAAHHH, I must warn, I know KARATE!ROFL!

Nice Hilarious!

[Flex Gunmetal]

o&bb: hey bfofl you are acting like a foggot
bfofl: ah bro shut up whatever
homosexual walking by: hm excuse I find that word very offensive
o&bb: man whatever! you might want to stop there because I am trained to fight.

KEEEEEYYYYAAAAAAAA! Prancing walrus style!

[TailgateNut]

and that is the problem. peopple like you want to be able to act anyway you see fit and not face the consequences. this is how we are de-evolving as a society. I normally wouldn't be defending this cop for what he did, and no, it certainly wasn't "professional". but you see, we all want to hide behind attornies and not be subject to waht we do or say.

and again, I am not saying it's o.k. to beat up a kid. What I am saying, is that sometimes people need to step back and realize that the law won't always protect you.

your example is perfect. You want to be able to call a cop names all day long because they can't do anything about it. what if the officer you are mouthing off to is already on the edge and just snaps?

it happens all the time.

This officer, in my honest oppinion, although obvioulsy unprofessional, is really trying to pass this on to the kid. Listen to him. He isn't just beating the kid cause he is fat and has an inferiority complex, he is trying to tell the kid to watch how he acts, because there is a REAL world out there.

All of our children need to hear this, and if they want to pretend that they are above it, or like you promote, can get away with it, than they are in for real tough times.

I am not condoning the behaivior of slapping, I am condoning trying to get this message into that kid before he really gets hurt.


NEWSFLASH: It's not his job nor his right to teach the kid anything!

[OABB]

I see and hear this type of prejudice exists more often than not. I especially "love" the "punk" references. I personally know several kids his age who are skateboarders but are also on the honor roll at school. So, we must keep in mind to not judge a book by it's cover.
Oh, I almost forgot. Take that "god fearing" comment and "file it".

please do. I was raised jewish and am since an agnostic. if you are trying to say that I am a whacko right wing christian, you couldn't be farther form the truth. most of my friends would label me a liberal jew.

and I do admit that my use of the word "punk" does show some bias to me. I admit it. I can't stand kids like that. I used to be just like that, and I know that a good kick in the ass did more for me than anything. so maybe I am a little over the top...


but, all I am trying to say, and I know Broncos Jamus would agree, that we should instill values into our children that if they act out, they must be prepared.

is that so crazy?

[TailgateNut]

and I know Broncos Jamus would agree,


Now I realize the problem.

See Ya!

[Flex Gunmetal]

please do. I was raised jewish and am since an agnostic. if you are trying to say that I am a whacko right wing christian, you couldn't be farther form the truth. most of my friends would label me a liberal jew.

and I do admit that my use of the word "punk" does show some bias to me. I admit it. I can't stand kids like that. I used to be just like that, and I know that a good kick in the ass did more for me than anything. so maybe I am a little over the top...

Kids like what? How is this kid so bad? Cause he skateboards and wears baggy jeans?

but, all I am trying to say, and I know Broncos Jamus would agree, that we should instill values into our children that if they act out, they must be prepared.

is that so crazy?
We should instill values in our kids such as violence is not always the answer...

[TheDave]

LOL

WUAAAAHHH, I must warn, I know KARATE!ROFL!

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[Beantown Bronco]

Hopefully, this kid's family gets a good lawyer and reams this police department, because that's the only way they'll get the message.

All that'll accomplish is bogging down the court system even more, raising your taxes in the end, and putting more money in those greedy law firm's pockets (thanks for that).

[Flex Gunmetal]

All that'll accomplish is bogging down the court system even more, raising your taxes in the end, and putting more money in those greedy law firm's pockets (thanks for that).

It appears it resulted in the cop losing his job, coupled with a lesson for other power-hungry pigs. Sounds like a justice.

[RaiderH8r]

and that is the problem. peopple like you want to be able to act anyway you see fit and not face the consequences. this is how we are de-evolving as a society. I normally wouldn't be defending this cop for what he did, and no, it certainly wasn't "professional". but you see, we all want to hide behind attornies and not be subject to waht we do or say.

and again, I am not saying it's o.k. to beat up a kid. What I am saying, is that sometimes people need to step back and realize that the law won't always protect you.

your example is perfect. You want to be able to call a cop names all day long because they can't do anything about it. what if the officer you are mouthing off to is already on the edge and just snaps?

it happens all the time.

This officer, in my honest oppinion, although obvioulsy unprofessional, is really trying to pass this on to the kid. Listen to him. He isn't just beating the kid cause he is fat and has an inferiority complex, he is trying to tell the kid to watch how he acts, because there is a REAL world out there.

All of our children need to hear this, and if they want to pretend that they are above it, or like you promote, can get away with it, than they are in for real tough times.

I am not condoning the behaivior of slapping, I am condoning trying to get this message into that kid before he really gets hurt.

So you applaud the message and frown upon the fashion it was sent? I can agree with that. It's important to convey and dissuade behaviors early in life that can turn into bad habits down the road. It's also important to deal with children, particularly teenagers in a more adult fashion. Threats, at that age do not engender respect, rather fear and later that fear will turn into resentment which will create more problems with authority later on in life. Precisely the sort of behavior he would presumably dissuade. There is a time and a place for physical confrontation and elevated voices, this scenario was not it and the cop showed a tremendous lack in judgement in assessing the situation, who was involved, and responding in a manner appropriate to those conditions.

Bottom line, he was bullying a kid and I don't like bullies...or a$$holes. I think I've made clear in this thread what I do to people like that.

[BMF Bronco]

It appears it resulted in the cop losing his job, coupled with a lesson for other power-hungry pigs. Sounds like a justice.

where did you see that?

[OABB]

So you applaud the message and frown upon the fashion it was sent? I can agree with that. It's important to convey and dissuade behaviors early in life that can turn into bad habits down the road. It's also important to deal with children, particularly teenagers in a more adult fashion. Threats, at that age do not engender respect, rather fear and later that fear will turn into resentment which will create more problems with authority later on in life. Precisely the sort of behavior he would presumably dissuade. There is a time and a place for physical confrontation and elevated voices, this scenario was not it and the cop showed a tremendous lack in judgement in assessing the situation, who was involved, and responding in a manner appropriate to those conditions.

Bottom line, he was bullying a kid and I don't like bullies...or a$$holes. I think I've made clear in this thread what I do to people like that.


yes. although I am probably more prone to physical confrontation as a valuable tool when used appropriatly than you are it seems. but otherwise yes, that is what I am trying to say.

[RodInCanton]

NEWSFLASH: It's not his job nor his right to teach the kid anything!

Beginning and end of argument.

[brncs_fan]

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LOL

[Pendejo]

LOL

WUAAAAHHH, I must warn, I know KARATE!ROFL!

Reminds me of a classic.

[Flex Gunmetal]

where did you see that?

There was a link earlier in this thread to a news clip. It sounded like fat boy got canned.

[RaiderH8r]

yes. although I am probably more prone to physical confrontation as a valuable tool when used appropriatly than you are it seems. but otherwise yes, that is what I am trying to say.

Are you kidding me? I love to crack me some skulls. I just have a healthy contempt for a-hole bullies and disdain for a-hole bully cops. It's a god damned kid for chrissakes, who the hell is he trying to impress? The 14 year old? That video was like Reno 911 without the hilarity, just the stupid cop.

If that's my kid he catches a beating when he gets home, but that's the point, I dish out the beating. If the kid truly is some jackass he will get his arse kicked at some point but if you're a cop you're expected to know better. The public trusts you to know better and gives you authority to kill based on the fact you're supposed to know better.

[Flex Gunmetal]

Here
The fatass got what he deserved...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdO0XWFG62M&NR=1

[Beantown Bronco]

It appears it resulted in the cop losing his job, coupled with a lesson for other power-hungry pigs. Sounds like a justice.

Losing his job is fine. I was referring to the potential of this becoming another case of "winning lottery ticket" syndrome, which is probably not off the table here. Frivolous lawsuits that actually cost innocent taxpayers in the end instead of the actual person who supposedly committed the act in question tick me off like nothing else.

[BMF Bronco]

There was a link earlier in this thread to a news clip. It sounded like fat boy got canned.

Oh I must have missed that, thanks. And good, ****ing Wiggum.

[OABB]

Kids like what? How is this kid so bad? Cause he skateboards and wears baggy jeans?

We should instill values in our kids such as violence is not always the answer...

no, because he lacks the proper respect. I don't care if he wore a suit while he did it, a punk is a kid that thinks he is above the normal perimeters of society. don't call a cop dude, and if he is becomming agitated don't continue to do so. if you continue, you are trying to appear tough in front of your friends and actling like you aren't scared.

that is when a healthy slap can come in handy. what that slap says is"listen buster, you may want to act like you are not afraid, but behind this hand is a giant fat cop with an attitude, and if you want to go toe to toe, I will win everytime, so shut up, sit down and listen."

because those are the facts. that is the REAL world. Bigger and stronger will always win in a physical conflict, so don't push it.

maybe it's my training, but I understand the cold hard facts of the world. There is always someone that can kick your azz no matter how good you think you are, and every dispute has the chance of going physical, and ultimatly can mean your life.

this I understand, first hand. This is why I am not a violent person, or don't yell at someone when they cut me off, because every time you engage with a person you have to ask yourself if it is worth it.

that is not sugar coated- that is the truth.

I am glad this kid saw that first hand now, and not down the road where he really may threaten who he is engaging to the point of real punishment.

[Flex Gunmetal]

Losing his job is fine. I was referring to the potential of this becoming another case of "winning lottery ticket" syndrome, which is probably not off the table here. Frivolous lawsuits that actually cost innocent taxpayers in the end instead of the actual person who supposedly committed the act in question tick me off like nothing else.

Ok, I see your point and agree. I thought you were all for this cop's behavior.

[bfoflcommish]

no, because he lacks the proper respect. I don't care if he wore a suit while he did it, a punk is a kid that thinks he is above the normal perimeters of society. don't call a cop dude, and if he is becomming agitated don't continue to do so. if you continue, you are trying to appear tough in front of your friends and actling like you aren't scared.

that is when a healthy slap can come in handy. what that slap says is"listen buster, you may want to act like you are not afraid, but behind this hand is a giant fat cop with an attitude, and if you want to go toe to toe, I will win everytime, so shut up, sit down and listen."

because those are the facts. that is the REAL world. Bigger and stronger will always win in a physical conflict, so don't push it.

maybe it's my training, but I understand the cold hard facts of the world. There is always someone that can kick your azz no matter how good you think you are, and every dispute has the chance of going physical, and ultimatly can mean your life.

this I understand, first hand. This is why I am not a violent person, or don't yell at someone when they cut me off, because every time you engage with a person you have to ask yourself if it is worth it.

that is not sugar coated- that is the truth.

I am glad this kid saw that first hand now, and not down the road where he really may threaten who he is engaging to the point of real punishment.

But if the kid did the same to him it would be called disrespect AND ASSULT!! and he would be cuffed and taken away.........sounds like a fair lesson to me.

[DomCasual]

LOL

WUAAAAHHH, I must warn, I know KARATE!ROFL!

KAH-RAH-TAY, Jerry! KAH-RAH-TAY!

[OABB]

Are you kidding me? I love to crack me some skulls. I just have a healthy contempt for a-hole bullies and disdain for a-hole bully cops. It's a god damned kid for chrissakes, who the hell is he trying to impress? The 14 year old? That video was like Reno 911 without the hilarity, just the stupid cop.

If that's my kid he catches a beating when he gets home, but that's the point, I dish out the beating. If the kid truly is some jackass he will get his arse kicked at some point but if you're a cop you're expected to know better. The public trusts you to know better and gives you authority to kill based on the fact you're supposed to know better.

point taken. I am no longer going to argue this. you and me actually agree 100% and yes, it is not my right or that cops right to teach the kid a lesson, it is his parents.

I was over-reacting a bit, I admit, but you are the first person to say it. My feeling, is that when that kid gets home his parents wont beat his azz at all, they will just sue the cop and the kid will continue to be the same. that is what bothers me.

because it happens all the time, and I see it all the time.


I can't wait to have kids just so I can use my awesome karate on them!

[Bronx33]

RESPECT IS EARNED NOT DEMANDED that fat **** is clueless.

[bronco militia]

dude, I hope you're enjoying your time off

[DomCasual]

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BWAHAHA! What a douchebag!

[Flex Gunmetal]

no, because he lacks the proper respect. I don't care if he wore a suit while he did it, a punk is a kid that thinks he is above the normal perimeters of society. don't call a cop dude, and if he is becomming agitated don't continue to do so. if you continue, you are trying to appear tough in front of your friends and actling like you aren't scared.
Well let's throw out the 1st amendment! It's now illegal to call a cop dude?
The cop had no place teaching that kid how he should act, unless he's doing something illegal.
You have it wrong, that cop thinks he is above the normal perimeters of society.

that is when a healthy slap can come in handy. what that slap says is"listen buster, you may want to act like you are not afraid, but behind this hand is a giant fat cop with an attitude, and if you want to go toe to toe, I will win everytime, so shut up, sit down and listen."

That is when you buy yourself a fatass lawsuit and future unemployment! Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! See above, cop had no place trying to 'teach' that boy in the manner he did. And why in the hell should the kid need to fear the cop? I suppose you would rather have martial law nowadays?

because those are the facts. that is the REAL world. Bigger and stronger will always win in a physical conflict, so don't push it.
Irrelevant.

maybe it's my training, but I understand the cold hard facts of the world. There is always someone that can kick your azz no matter how good you think you are, and every dispute has the chance of going physical, and ultimatly can mean your life.

this I understand, first hand. This is why I am not a violent person, or don't yell at someone when they cut me off, because every time you engage with a person you have to ask yourself if it is worth it.

that is not sugar coated- that is the truth.

I am glad this kid saw that first hand now, and not down the road where he really may threaten who he is engaging to the point of real punishment.
Irrelevant, who was he threatening in the first place? You're out of your element, Donnie.

[RaiderH8r]

point taken. I am no longer going to argue this. you and me actually agree 100% and yes, it is not my right or that cops right to teach the kid a lesson, it is his parents.

I was over-reacting a bit, I admit, but you are the first person to say it. My feeling, is that when that kid gets home his parents wont beat his azz at all, they will just sue the cop and the kid will continue to be the same. that is what bothers me.

because it happens all the time, and I see it all the time.


I can't wait to have kids just so I can use my awesome karate on them!

Some parents are just failures and there's not a whole lot that can or should be done about that. Ultimately they only fail their children but that's the sort of entitlement pretend friend model of parenting that's been the rage for awhile. Some folks are starting to swing the other way on it and the pendulum will again move as it always does.

The kid may or may not have learned something from this. He may or may not get a beating from mom and dad. He may end up lipping off and really getting a beating. He may end up in jail getting a human booster shot from some dude named Molly. He may end up being a cop....:approve: Who knows? What I do know is that I want me a Go-Kart of Justice, then I would be cooler than Stuart Scott and then I would have something to counteract the coolness that can only come from saying "Booya!" on Sports Center. I hate you Stuart Scott. I may poop on your car....or I may sick Boomer on you with a profanity laced tirade. Who knows Stu Scott? Who knows? Sleep with that lazy eye open Stu....keep that lazy eye open.

[DomCasual]

Did anyone follow that Baby Grace situation down in Texas - the one where the little girl's remains were found in a plastic tub?

Well, it seems the boyfriend of the mother decided to "discipline" her because she didn't show him enough respect. It seems he wanted her to say "sir" and "ma'am" more. She's two years old, mind you.

So, he beat her until she died.

Seriously, I thought anyone in this thread that was defending the cop was joking. I'll go farther than saying the cop should be fired. I would say he should also be prosecuted. The kid apparently wasn't hurt - but if a cop saw a civilian do what the cop did, that civilian would have been arrested. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

There is no law against using the terms "dude" and "man." In fact, the kid didn't mean it to sound disrespectful. I don't see the concept as all that different than the Baby Grace thing - the cop decided his standard of "manners" wasn't being met, so he decided to teach the kid a lesson.

I'm thinking of a word, and it starts with douchebag.

[OABB]

Well let's throw out the 1st amendment! It's now illegal to call a cop dude?
The cop had no place teaching that kid how he should act, unless he's doing something illegal.
You have it wrong, that cop thinks he is above the normal perimeters of society.

That is when you buy yourself a fatass lawsuit and future unemployment! Winner Winner Chicken Dinner! See above, cop had no place trying to 'teach' that boy in the manner he did. And why in the hell should the kid need to fear the cop? I suppose you would rather have martial law nowadays?

Irrelevant.

Irrelevant, who was he threatening in the first place? You're out of your element, Donnie.


perhaps I am. I always looked up to cops as a kid and felt that they weren't just there for my protection but to be a father figure type as well. Maybe I am living in an old world where little league coaches, cops, teachers and people of those professions are supposed to help guide children.

maybe today we live in aworld where you can act like how you want and not have to deal with the consequences. Maybe this new world works for most people, but for me it is sad.

I owe a lot to my little league coaches, my teachers, cops and fireman and everyone else that helped me growing up. There are certain things your parents can't teach you and that is where other's can come in handy.

now when we are lost we just take prescription drugs or sue everyone and lock ourselves inside.

I can see that I am out of my element quite clearly.

[fontaine]

perhaps I am. I always looked up to cops as a kid and felt that they weren't just there for my protection but to be a father figure type as well. Maybe I am living in an old world where little league coaches, cops, teachers and people of those professions are supposed to help guide children.

maybe today we live in aworld where you can act like how you want and not have to deal with the consequences. Maybe this new world works for most people, but for me it is sad.

I owe a lot to my little league coaches, my teachers, cops and fireman and everyone else that helped me growing up. There are certain things your parents can't teach you and that is where other's can come in handy.

now when we are lost we just take prescription drugs or sue everyone and lock ourselves inside.

I can see that I am out of my element quite clearly.


The cop got suspended so you're pretty much wrong on all counts. That's not me saying it, but the police department.

Otherwise keep your chin up!
:strong:

[Flex Gunmetal]

perhaps I am. I always looked up to cops as a kid and felt that they weren't just there for my protection but to be a father figure type as well. Maybe I am living in an old world where little league coaches, cops, teachers and people of those professions are supposed to help guide children.

I'm sure there are some good cops out there, just like you describe. This fat clown isn't one of them. As mentioned earlier, respect is earned. A badge alone doesn't earn my respect.

maybe today we live in aworld where you can act like how you want and not have to deal with the consequences. Maybe this new world works for most people, but for me it is sad.
It would appear that way if the cop would have been able to keep his job. This story, if anything, shows there are consequences for poor decision making and abuse of power.

I owe a lot to my little league coaches, my teachers, cops and fireman and everyone else that helped me growing up. There are certain things your parents can't teach you and that is where other's can come in handy.
As do I. "It takes a villiage..."

now when we are lost we just take prescription drugs or sue everyone and lock ourselves inside.

I can see that I am out of my element quite clearly.
It's ok, you're getting better.

[Florida_Bronco]

i'm sorry, but I have absolutely NO problem with this whatsoever. I actually found myself clapping for this officer. am I crazy? to me it seems like this officer is trying to warn this kid that if he doesn't show proper respect, that eventually someone will hurt him.

This is a fact of life. You never know who you are going to piss off, so you should be carefull about how you express yourself. to back talk an officer is just stupid.

If that where my son in that tape, i would slap him when he got home and buy that cop a beer.

Maybe I am turning in to one of those old crumungins(sp?), but come on, illegally skateboarding, and than giving lip to a cop is deserving of a beatdown imo.

also, keep in mind, that there is obvioulsy more to this tape at the beginning that we don't see.

I know many here will defend that punk kid and his parents will probably sue, and that cop will get fired and all that, but I am going to stand up here, and now for this officer for trying to instill the proper fear and respect into that kids head. a lot more fathers should be doing that.

I myself had to learn the hard way as I got older, because my parents where ex hippies that thought that discipline was mean. I had a hard time when I got to my twenties, and I garauntee this kid will too.

Being a man is about showing respect, and knowing when to keep your mouth shut.

I am sweating now. I am going to the skate park to kick some ass!

I understand where you are coming from, but as a cop you simply can't do that in today's world.

If the kids refuse to leave or stop what they are doing, then simply arrest them for criminal trespassing and disobeying a lawful order. Beyond that it's the parent's problem.

[OABB]

I'm sure there are some good cops out there, just like you describe. This fat clown isn't one of them. As mentioned earlier, respect is earned. A badge alone doesn't earn my respect.

It would appear that way if the cop would have been able to keep his job. This story, if anything, shows there are consequences for poor decision making and abuse of power.
As do I. "It takes a villiage..."

It's ok, you're getting better.


actually this whole situation worked out perfectly. the cop paid the price for his behaivior and so did the kid.

this is the world as I see it. like I said before, whatever you say or do can get you in trouble so you better be prepared.

the cop got canned and the punk kid got bitchslapped. It all worked out in the end.


the only point I have been making is that we as a a society should condone bitch slapping punk kids! that's all. If you are a cop, however, you have to keep your cool, otherwize you shouldn't be on the streets patrolling with a weopan.

I am not getting better, just making my point clearer.

I still have no problem with this footage and still clap everytime the kid gets bithch slapped.


thank you officer what ever your name for bitch slapping that kid.

now, I am seriously going to the skate park to rain some justice down on those bastards!


they are messing with the wrong guy.

[Bronx33]

http://www.abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4282823&page=1

A 17-year veteran Baltimore police officer Salvatore (DUDE) Rivieri was suspended after a video appeared on YouTube showing him manhandling a 14-year-old skateboarder.

[OABB]

I understand where you are coming from, but as a cop you simply can't do that in today's world.

If the kids refuse to leave or stop what they are doing, then simply arrest them for criminal trespassing and disobeying a lawful order. Beyond that it's the parent's problem.

agreed. however if this cop where just some average joe, I would be behind him 100 percent. I would hold those other two kids in a headlock while he he beat him down and I would make sure to grab that camera too.

[Beantown Bronco]

According to the article, the cop was suspended with pay.....not fired. It appears the Baltimore PD does not in fact agree with most here.

[Flex Gunmetal]

How was he being disrespectul aside from calling the cop 'dude'?
Serious question.

[theAPAOps5]

That cop is the real life Officer Farve. Too many gun toting, badge heavy, picked on as kids people joining the force these days. My favorite thing to do at the airport is order the cops around during an aircraft alert. Man it just drives them nuts but there is nothing they can do, they are mandated to listen during on airport emergencies.

[Flex Gunmetal]

According to the article, the cop was suspended with pay.....not fired. It appears the Baltimore PD does not in fact agree with most here.

Still, he was punished for behaving inappropriately.

[Bronx33]

According to the article, the cop was suspended with pay.....not fired. It appears the Baltimore PD does not in fact agree with most here.

Well as much of a stink as this raised cops across the country will think twice about being a douches everybody has a camera anymore. You would think a 17 year veteran would remotely understand this but dominating that little kid was more important.

[theAPAOps5]

agreed. however if this cop where just some average joe, I would be behind him 100 percent. I would hold those other two kids in a headlock while he he beat him down and I would make sure to grab that camera too.

And myself, and probably many others seeing some pathetic man beat up a kid would put my boot so far up your ass it would take an hour to get it out. Then I would let the kid have a whack as you would deserve it.

[bronco militia]

save the lectures for the school visits, and just right the punk a ticket.

[Bronx33]

How was he being disrespectul aside from calling the cop 'dude'?
Serious question.

The kid didn't do shyt the kid stated he didn't hear the first request the cop was leaving and came back after being called (dude) the fat cop got an attitude about being called dude nothing more nothing less.

[Flex Gunmetal]

And myself, and probably many others seeing some pathetic man beat up a kid would put my boot so far up your ass it would take an hour to get it out. Then I would let the kid have a whack as you would deserve it.

Yes.

[oubronco]

i smell a lawsuit forth coming

[RaiderH8r]

According to the article, the cop was suspended with pay.....not fired. It appears the Baltimore PD does not in fact agree with most here.

Couple of things. 1. Baltimore PD is nothing to crow about, it's a standard collection of corrupt douchebags and a-holes. 2. Suspended with pay keeps a union grievance out of the scenario and makes it easier on the admin types within BPD. 3. I demand RESPECT....and a Go Kart of Justice. 4. I guarantee, iron clad, lead pipe lock of the week guaran-f'n-tee that his colleagues start calling him "Dude" as his new nickname. And that, my friends, is why I love being a guy in a world that encourages your friends to take everyone of your lifetime f'ups and give you a nickname based on it. Just a constant reminder of your fallability and to serve heaping doses of humble pie. Don't want seconds? Tough sh!t dude, you'll have seconds and like it Mr.!

[OABB]

How was he being disrespectul aside from calling the cop 'dude'?
Serious question.

well first, we don't know what happened before what we see. second, it wasn't just saying dude, he was being cavalier and not being quiet. The cop seems perturbed already when start toy watch the tape so I am sure something happened.

I never buy the "guy just snapped" thing. the cop definatley was wrong here, but I doubt he just was an ass to that kid just because he is an ass.

he obviously is skating where he shouldn't and being rebelious about it.

[Bronx33]

Seems the baltimore population was displeased..





What is your reaction to the police officer's conduct in the video involving skateboarders at the Inner Harbor?

He acted appropriately (306 responses)

6.1%

He overreacted a little bit (552 responses)

10.9%

He was way out of line (4157 responses)

82.4%

Not sure (28 responses)

0.6%

o 5043 total responses (Results not scientific)

[Bronx33]

well first, we don't know what happened before what we see. second, it wasn't just saying dude, he was being cavalier and not being quiet. The cop seems perturbed already when start toy watch the tape so I am sure something happened.

I never buy the "guy just snapped" thing. the cop definatley was wrong here, but I doubt he just was an ass to that kid just because he is an ass.

he obviously is skating where he shouldn't and being rebelious about it.


Every freaking kid says dude daily dozens of times he wasn't being a smarta$$ you would think a cop of 17 years (dealing with people) on a daily basis knows the difference. This cop f***** up (end of story)

[TailgateNut]

actually this whole situation worked out perfectly. the cop paid the price for his behaivior and so did the kid.

this is the world as I see it. like I said before, whatever you say or do can get you in trouble so you better be prepared.

the cop got canned and the punk kid got b****slapped. It all worked out in the end.


the only point I have been making is that we as a a society should condone b**** slapping punk kids! that's all. If you are a cop, however, you have to keep your cool, otherwize you shouldn't be on the streets patrolling with a weopan.

I am not getting better, just making my point clearer.

I still have no problem with this footage and still clap everytime the kid gets bithch slapped.


thank you officer what ever your name for b**** slapping that kid.

now, I am seriously going to the skate park to rain some justice down on those bastards!


they are messing with the wrong guy.


You are one fugged up person. I hope you do not have children, for their sake.

[Beantown Bronco]

Seems the baltimore population was displeased..





What is your reaction to the police officer's conduct in the video involving skateboarders at the Inner Harbor?

He acted appropriately (306 responses)

6.1%

He overreacted a little bit (552 responses)

10.9%

He was way out of line (4157 responses)

82.4%

Not sure (28 responses)

0.6%

o 5043 total responses (Results not scientific)

How many of them voted for Bush? :)

[OABB]

And myself, and probably many others seeing some pathetic man beat up a kid would put my boot so far up your ass it would take an hour to get it out. Then I would let the kid have a whack as you would deserve it.

first I would use the kids as a human shield to block your kicks, than I would kick him into you while you reset. as you stop to dodge his faliling body, I will charge you, do a 360 kick into your jaw and grab the kid before he flies over the railing in one spectacualr move.

than...I will crunch all their heads together, light a cigar, look into the camera and say "that's using your heads"

[Flex Gunmetal]

Hilarious!

[TailgateNut]

According to the article, the cop was suspended with pay.....not fired. It appears the Baltimore PD does not in fact agree with most here.


Bean, that;s SOP. Here in Denver when the WILD WILD DPD kills someone they also are suspended with pay, PENDING OUTCOME!

[theAPAOps5]

first I would use the kids as a human shield to block your kicks, than I would kick him into you while you reset. as you stop to dodge his faliling body, I will charge you, do a 360 kick into your jaw and grab the kid before he flies over the railing in one spectacualr move.

than...I will crunch all their heads together, light a cigar, look into the camera and say "that's using your heads"

Somehow I picture you as the famous Star Wars kid who used a broom handle as a light saber and recorded it. In other words even though I know you were joking you still come across pathetic.

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[TailgateNut]

first I would use the kids as a human shield to block your kicks, than I would kick him into you while you reset. as you stop to dodge his faliling body, I will charge you, do a 360 kick into your jaw and grab the kid before he flies over the railing in one spectacualr move.

than...I will crunch all their heads together, light a cigar, look into the camera and say "that's using your heads"


Everyone run, it's the "KarateKid"!:rofl:

Do you walk around with your Taikwondo suit on to impress others?

[Florida_Bronco]

Bean, that;s SOP. Here in Denver when the WILD WILD DPD kills someone they also are suspended with pay, PENDING OUTCOME!

That's the case everywhere, as it should be. And unless Denver is radically different it's not a suspension either, it's an adminstrative reassignment aka a desk job.

[brncs_fan]

Somehow I picture you as the famous Star Wars kid who used a broom handle as a light saber and recorded it.

I think it is a golf ball retriever actually.

[OABB]

Somehow I picture you as the famous Star Wars kid who used a broom handle as a light saber and recorded it. In other words even though I know you were joking you still come across pathetic.


that kid CLEARLY is not joking and You CLEARLY can't tell the difference as to when someone is.

I am only joking now becaue this thread is becomming circular and boring. We all made our points and had a good discussion. That is what's fun about this place, and coincidently the poin tof a forum.

However, don't confuse someone not agreeing with you as pathetic.
I stand by everything I said and have no regret.

[Bronx33]

That's the case everywhere, as it should be. And unless Denver is radically different it's not a suspension either, it's an adminstrative reassignment aka a desk job.


Hmmmm 17 year vet patrolling the mall? i wonder what he did to get reassigned to driving a go cart and chasing skateboarders around don't they give those kinda jobs to rookies and unstable douchebags? :~ohyah!:

[-Slap-]

Seems to be a lot of this stuff going around lately in this country. Cops are beginning to think they are somehow on some level above the citizens they serve. They think they can bully anybody, or taser anybody, at will. Maybe they would get a little more respect if they gave a little more respect. If you ask me, this kind of crap is just another consequence of the war on drugs. That is what caused police to become more militarized and created an "us and them" psychology among police forces. Hopefully, this kid's family gets a good lawyer and reams this police department, because that's the only way they'll get the message.

The war on young black men, er, drugs is a dismal failure, but you can blame the politicians for that, not the police.

As far as the "us against them" mentality:

Troubling rise in shooting of police: 63 have died by the gun in the U.S. this year (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20071113_Troubling_rise_in_shooting_of_police.html )

Police fatalities on rise in 'staggering' trend (http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071119/NATION/111190027/1002/NATION))

[BMF Bronco]

Bean, that;s SOP. Here in Denver when the WILD WILD DPD kills someone they also are suspended with pay, PENDING OUTCOME!

But when it's an off-duty sheriff that kills a man from Montana, no charges are filed even though the evidence proves that the kid was several feet away and was trying to shield himself from the bullets.

[Florida_Bronco]

The war on young black men, er, drugs is a dismal failure, but you can blame the politicians for that, not the police.

As far as the "us against them" mentality:

Troubling rise in shooting of police: 63 have died by the gun in the U.S. this year (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20071113_Troubling_rise_in_shooting_of_police.html )

Police fatalities on rise in 'staggering' trend (http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071119/NATION/111190027/1002/NATION))

Great post Slap. Rep.

[theAPAOps5]

that kid CLEARLY is not joking and You CLEARLY can't tell the difference as to when someone is.

I am only joking now becaue this thread is becomming circular and boring. We all made our points and had a good discussion. That is what's fun about this place, and coincidently the poin tof a forum.

However, don't confuse someone not agreeing with you as pathetic.
I stand by everything I said and have no regret.

The only part I thought was PATHETIC is where you said if that was the average joe you would help beat up a kid. I somehow don't think you were kidding when you said that. The second part I new was a joke but in my head you were that kid as its fitting.

[cutthemdown]

Great post Slap. Rep.

Florida seems to have some sort of problem in the area of law enforcement at this time. Officers are being shot often. But also it seems like i hear about abuse in the news often. Didn't some fla cop just dump a parapalegic on his head?

What's going in Florida?

[cutthemdown]

The war on young black men, er, drugs is a dismal failure, but you can blame the politicians for that, not the police.

As far as the "us against them" mentality:

Troubling rise in shooting of police: 63 have died by the gun in the U.S. this year (http://www.philly.com/inquirer/front_page/20071113_Troubling_rise_in_shooting_of_police.html )

Police fatalities on rise in 'staggering' trend (http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071119/NATION/111190027/1002/NATION))

It does seem like more blacks get convicted and sent to prison. It's either blatant racism or black people commit an ungodly amount of the crime.

[TailgateNut]

That's the case everywhere, as it should be. And unless Denver is radically different it's not a suspension either, it's an adminstrative reassignment aka a desk job.

...and IMO, that's BS. We just had a case here where some gun happy Cop killed an innocent man. He was put on paid "whatever" and then a few weeks ago the city (err TAXPAYERS) had to pay for his ****-up (1million greenbacks).
It's BS.

[Rohirrim]

agreed. however if this cop where just some average joe, I would be behind him 100 percent. I would hold those other two kids in a headlock while he he beat him down and I would make sure to grab that camera too.

I suggest you seek treatment. Sounds like you have your own anger issues.

[OABB]

I suggest you seek treatment. Sounds like you have your own anger issues.

just a little. but it's only directed at skaters, douchebags, republicans, lawyers, those people that wear their hats sideways, anyone that talks about gangsta rap as poetry, people that sue for their own mistakes, people that treat their animals like children, people that look up to celebrities, celebrities, actors, polititions, zionists, neo-nazi's, rapists, theifs, liars, and those who don't listen to a cop when he is told to sit down and shut up, chiefs fans, raiders fans, chargers fans, patriots fans, tom brady, bill bellicheck, those douche's at espn,broncos jamus when he defends lt, telluride, bobo, crazyhorse, people that refuse to vote for obama becuase his name sounds like osama, fox news, bill krystal, dick cheney, the oil companies, alberto gonzolas, credit card hippies, hypocrits, tree hugging liberal pussies, whiny children, fat people who say that they have big bones, drunks who say they have a disease, prostitutes, gamblers, slumlords, cheaters, television producers, reality television actors, sluts, pimps, pushers, george bush, paris hilton, pacifists, meatheads, killers, and people that celebrate their half birthdays.

[theAPAOps5]

So what he is saying folks is he hates who he is and who he has become. He detests it so much that he projects his self hate onto others. Mommy didn't hug him enough.

[DenverBroncosJM]

again, yes. You see, I am the one saying watch what you say, because even if you don't mean to offend, you still can. but, I am also not going to pull a holier -than-tough mantra and say that I never ever use the n-word or f-word.

at least I am honest. maybe you and other's have never used the words, and that is your choice, but I pretty sure that most of you, if you can look at yourself in the mirror know that they do. It's just words. it is your intent behind them that is imortant.

Have you always been this wierd or "earths air" starting to effect you in ways your people never understood?

Here ill do it you forced me to do it I am calling you DUDE. I didnt want to please dont choke hold me!

[Florida_Bronco]

...and IMO, that's BS. We just had a case here where some gun happy Cop killed an innocent man. He was put on paid "whatever" and then a few weeks ago the city (err TAXPAYERS) had to pay for his ****-up (1million greenbacks).
It's BS.

Well everyone can have their own opinion, but yours is as wrong as they come if you ask me.

You simply can't punish a cop for a shooting unless it has been investigated completely. The ramifications would be numerous, starting with the unions going absolutely ape****. Plus you have the policemen's bill of rights and so forth. It goes along with innocent until proven guilty and all that.

[broncolife]

yes. they can try to, sure. I would understand, but I am also trained to handle physical confrontation, and I will be sure to forewarn them of this before it escalates.

Just because your trained doesnt mean your going to win. I had two friends that were black belts and both of them got thier arses kicked in fights. Warning them is just going to make them feel better about themselves after they kick your arse or I guess you could get lucky and they could be pussies and not want to fight you anymore.But then you miss out on some p*s*Y:)

[DivineLegion]

reminds me of every cop I have ever dealt with except maybe one or two...Even if I wasent doing anything wrong they always yell for no apparent reason to try and make you affraid of them. Ive never been disrespectful to a cop, and still always with the yelling...it must be something they teach them. dosent quite make sence to me. Andy Griffith never yelled at people, even the town drunk.

[OABB]

Just because your trained doesnt mean your going to win. I had two friends that were black belts and both of them got thier arses kicked in fights. Warning them is just going to make them feel better about themselves after they kick your arse or I guess you could get lucky and they could be pussies and not want to fight you anymore.But then you miss out on some p*s*Y:)

I never said any of that. what I said was that if someone wanted to fight me I would warn them that I was trained first. Believe me, I know what you are talking about. Being trained doesn't mean anything and yes anyone can kick anyone's azz.

But, if you can handle yourself, I think it is best to let the person know that you can, and give them an educated choice. Everyone else took it as me saying I was some badazz.

my point actually was that because I know that anyone can beat me up, whether I am trained or not is exactly the reason why you shouldn't mess with people. The more I learn the less willing I am to fight because even when you win, it still hurts.

the point....treat people with respect, or deal with the cosequences. that is all I have repeated over and over again.

That is also what i believe this officer was trying to tell this kid, although he ultimatly lost his job because of it.

but again, listen to him warn the kid that his attitude can get him killed.

I know this to be true, and I would never fight anyone unless my life, or someone's life that I loved was on the line.

[DomCasual]

I never said any of that. what I said was that if someone wanted to fight me I would warn them that I was trained first. Believe me, I know what you are talking about. Being trained doesn't mean anything and yes anyone can kick anyone's azz.

But, if you can handle yourself, I think it is best to let the person know that you can, and give them an educated choice. Everyone else took it as me saying I was some badazz.

my point actually was that because I know that anyone can beat me up, whether I am trained or not is exactly the reason why you shouldn't mess with people. The more I learn the less willing I am to fight because even when you win, it still hurts.

the point....treat people with respect, or deal with the cosequences. that is all I have repeated over and over again.

That is also what i believe this officer was trying to tell this kid, although he ultimatly lost his job because of it.

but again, listen to him warn the kid that his attitude can get him killed.

I know this to be true, and I would never fight anyone unless my life, or someone's life that I loved was on the line.

Dude, you should just go back and say that your original post in this thread was sarcastic. As a sarcastic post, it was really funny.

[Flex Gunmetal]

Dude, you should just go back and say that your original post in this thread was sarcastic. As a sarcastic post, it was really funny.

:rofl:

[broncolife]

I am surprised the cop didnt throw the 14 year olds friends around for calling the 14 year old kid dude.

[OABB]

Dude, you should just go back and say that your original post in this thread was sarcastic. As a sarcastic post, it was really funny.

although, I will admit that I am prone to hyperbole, I still stand by what i said. I don't have a problem with this clip whatsoever. Granted, that was an officer of the law so he should be held to higher standards than me, but I would have no problem slapping a kid that acted this way to me and would not be upset if that where my son in the video.


when I was a kid I spray painted "hi" in the apt garage where i lived and while I was walking home, this old guy stopped me and said to me." nice going stupid" and slapped me across the face. I cried and told my mother and she went after him.

now, as an adult, I am glad that guy slapped me, and I garauntee you because of it, I have a healthy respect for personal property(or private, for that matter) now. so I am speaking from experience for what it's worth.

[ICON]

point taken. I am no longer going to argue this. you and me actually agree 100% and yes, it is not my right or that cops right to teach the kid a lesson, it is his parents.

I was over-reacting a bit, I admit, but you are the first person to say it. My feeling, is that when that kid gets home his parents wont beat his azz at all, they will just sue the cop and the kid will continue to be the same. that is what bothers me.

because it happens all the time, and I see it all the time.


I can't wait to have kids just so I can use my awesome karate on them!Man the way you see thing's makes me pray to God that he burns your nutts off .;D

[ICON]

although, I will admit that I am prone to hyperbole, I still stand by what i said. I don't have a problem with this clip whatsoever. Granted, that was an officer of the law so he should be held to higher standards than me, but I would have no problem slapping a kid that acted this way to me and would not be upset if that where my son in the video.


when I was a kid I spray painted "hi" in the apt garage where i lived and while I was walking home, this old guy stopped me and said to me." nice going stupid" and slapped me across the face. I cried and told my mother and she went after him.

now, as an adult, I am glad that guy slapped me, and I garauntee you because of it, I have a healthy respect for personal property(or private, for that matter) now. so I am speaking from experience for what it's worth.Parents hit children when they feel out of control and helpless. A child may frustrate you, but that is not reason enough to hit them. Hitting is a parent's problem, not the child's fault.

Hitting, slapping, or spanking children as punishment shows them that it's okay to hit others to solve problems and can train them to punish others in the same way they were punished.

Physical punishments stop unwanted behavior only for a short time. Even with very harsh punishment, children may adapt so that it has little or no effect. Using even more punishment is equally ineffective.

Nonphysical methods of discipline help children deal with their emotions and teach them nonviolent ways to solve problems.

[broncolife]

A long time ago my friend called our boss dude and he got pissed. He got up in my friends face and yelled my names not dude. All that taught my friend was that our boss was a jerk. People use Dude all the time with thier friends

[theAPAOps5]

Man the way you see thing's makes me pray to God that he burns your nutts off .;D

Well if thats him in his Sig in front of the video arcade games then I think we have nothing to worry about.

[ICON]

actually this whole situation worked out perfectly. the cop paid the price for his behaivior and so did the kid.

this is the world as I see it. like I said before, whatever you say or do can get you in trouble so you better be prepared.

the cop got canned and the punk kid got b****slapped. It all worked out in the end.


the only point I have been making is that we as a a society should condone b**** slapping punk kids! that's all. If you are a cop, however, you have to keep your cool, otherwize you shouldn't be on the streets patrolling with a weopan.

I am not getting better, just making my point clearer.

I still have no problem with this footage and still clap everytime the kid gets bithch slapped.


thank you officer what ever your name for b**** slapping that kid.

now, I am seriously going to the skate park to rain some justice down on those bastards!


they are messing with the wrong guy.


During my long career evaluating juvenile delinquents (now numbering in the thousands, and still climbing as a Court Based Assessment Psychologist), I have yet to see the first violent male juvenile delinquent who wasn't raised on a belt, board, extension cord, fist or the equivalent. I have carefully excluded all forms of discipline that were incapable of causing lasting physical marks or damage including hand slaps, hands to the rear, and even a switch to the legs. I am still amazed at the consistency of the "belt" and its equivalents in producing angry and violent behavior.

A number of years ago I told the probation officers at the Danbury, CT juvenile court that I would give them $100 if they would refer me an aggressive, male juvenile delinquent who had not been raised on "the belt' however, if they sent me a false positive (a kid they thought had not been beaten on a regular basis, but actually had a history of physical abuse they had not found) they had to pay me $1.00 it seemed a bet too hard to turn down. After losing close to $20.00 they all backed out of the contest.

I vividly remember one 15 year old boy who they had interviewed in depth, as well as the mother. This boy had systematically trashed 14 summer homes on Candlewood Lake, a community just outside of Danbury. When I saw him, I thought, "Oh boy. I'm screwed. They found one." I also interviewed the boy in exhaustively, but he kept insisting his mother was a good Christian, and would never hit him. His dad was on the road a lot but was very loving, and would never even think of raising a hand to him. At this point I started to think in terms of some sort of dis-inhibition syndrome due to brain damage, or even a brain tumor. I went back and asked him if a relative had beaten him in the past, but he insisted that no one had.

The mother initially verified his story, insisting that she did not believe in corporal punishment, then in mid sentence, broke down into deep sobs. When I asked her what was wrong, she said, "I never thought anyone would find out; I thought I could forget what I had done forever." She went on to explain that her son was extremely active when he was a toddler; her husband would work long hours, and was essentially never home. She tried to talk to her son when he misbehaved in public, and when told by numerous people she needed to get "tougher with him," she took him home one day and started to beat this helpless little 4 year old child; she said she was so angry with her husband's lack of involvement in her son's discipline, that she simply "lost it," and beat him so bad he nearly passed out.

These uncontrolled beatings lasted about 6 months, until she fell to her knees and prayed to God to release her from this scourge of discipline. Having stopped the beatings, she vowed she would never hit him again, and no one would ever know. She would just "forget" what had happened and life would go on.

Apparently this woman hid the bruises from her husband by dressing her son in long pants and shirts with long sleaves in an attempt to avoid his wrath at her out-of-control compulsion to physically punish her son.

Here are some additional findings from my years of research: The beating of girls stops at a later age then that of boys. Apparently a large, muscular boy is a deterrent to a belt wielding parent; the mentally handicapped are often beaten their entire lifetimes; the bigger the kid, the earlier the beatings stop and this includes girls and boys; mothers who beat their children, and had never been beaten themselves (usually a husband, relative, or close friend has put pressure on them to be "tougher" with their kids) feel guilt over their beatings; those raised on the belt experience no guilt over beating their kids.

Also, women who beat their children at the urging of others, e.g., husbands, family members or pastors, but were never beaten themselves, are almost invariably subject to intense feelings of guilt, and subsequently to serious, even life-threatening, depression; fathers are less likely to hit their girls when they wear skirts vs. jeans--mothers are less restrained, and will hit their girls the same as the boys; Hispanics hit their children almost exclusively on the legs--if a Hispanic hits above the legs, abuse is clearly happening; the use of the cat-of-9-tails is almost exclusively used by whites of English heritage---remember, the "cat" was a staple of discipline used in the 19th century British navy.

The Cantonese who settled NY Chinatown rarely hit their kids---until other Chinese moved in, Chinatown was virtually crime free; according to Wolfgang and Figlio, authors of Delinquency in a Birth Cohort, U. of Chicago Press, 1972, who exhaustively looked at every male born in Philadelphia in one year, poor whites were involved in fewer crimes than affluent blacks. To my own surprise, my own data indicated that educated blacks were willing to use corporal punishment on their children nearly twice as much as uneducated whites, but extended time in college was correlated with less beatings given their children at home--children in the Ghetto who hang with delinquent friends, and are not beaten, have crime rates lower than whites in general. Unfortunately, the belt is the black community's staple of discipline. Nevertheless, I have consistently found that blacks who do not strap their children have children who are no more aggressive than non-beaten whites. African Americans are born as innocent and as non-aggressive as white Americans. I fear that their slave heritage, like those who are of English heritage who use the cat-of-9-tails on their children, has destined them to be victims of their own terrible ancesteral past. I also fear that racial profiling does not explain why our prisons are disproportionately filled with African American males.

Women who are beaten tend to select mates who beat them--apparently their idea of what is "manly" and "sexy" comes from their father, whether they liked him or not; Swedes rarely hit their kids, their jails are remarkably humane, and their crime rate very low--it is often said they have a high suicide rate, but this is a myth which I found out first hand presenting a paper in Stockholm.

Our data also indicates that peer group influence is over-rated---bad friends can have a multiplier affect when a lot of troubled kids get together and encourage each other to act out, but non-beaten kids who hang out with bad friends because they live in bad neighborhoods usually trot home when the trouble begins. We were struck with the minimal impact of peer group influence on children who are essentially not angry.

In short, all of the data suggests that corporal punishment as a disciplinary technique is very dangerous, is the MAJOR contributor to our crime rate, and tends to perpetuate itself.

[-Slap-]

It does seem like more blacks get convicted and sent to prison. It's either blatant racism or black people commit an ungodly amount of the crime.

It's probably more complicated than that.

[OABB]

During my long career evaluating juvenile delinquents (now numbering in the thousands, and still climbing as a Court Based Assessment Psychologist), I have yet to see the first violent male juvenile delinquent who wasn't raised on a belt, board, extension cord, fist or the equivalent. I have carefully excluded all forms of discipline that were incapable of causing lasting physical marks or damage including hand slaps, hands to the rear, and even a switch to the legs. I am still amazed at the consistency of the "belt" and its equivalents in producing angry and violent behavior.

A number of years ago I told the probation officers at the Danbury, CT juvenile court that I would give them $100 if they would refer me an aggressive, male juvenile delinquent who had not been raised on "the belt' however, if they sent me a false positive (a kid they thought had not been beaten on a regular basis, but actually had a history of physical abuse they had not found) they had to pay me $1.00 it seemed a bet too hard to turn down. After losing close to $20.00 they all backed out of the contest.

I vividly remember one 15 year old boy who they had interviewed in depth, as well as the mother. This boy had systematically trashed 14 summer homes on Candlewood Lake, a community just outside of Danbury. When I saw him, I thought, "Oh boy. I'm screwed. They found one." I also interviewed the boy in exhaustively, but he kept insisting his mother was a good Christian, and would never hit him. His dad was on the road a lot but was very loving, and would never even think of raising a hand to him. At this point I started to think in terms of some sort of dis-inhibition syndrome due to brain damage, or even a brain tumor. I went back and asked him if a relative had beaten him in the past, but he insisted that no one had.

The mother initially verified his story, insisting that she did not believe in corporal punishment, then in mid sentence, broke down into deep sobs. When I asked her what was wrong, she said, "I never thought anyone would find out; I thought I could forget what I had done forever." She went on to explain that her son was extremely active when he was a toddler; her husband would work long hours, and was essentially never home. She tried to talk to her son when he misbehaved in public, and when told by numerous people she needed to get "tougher with him," she took him home one day and started to beat this helpless little 4 year old child; she said she was so angry with her husband's lack of involvement in her son's discipline, that she simply "lost it," and beat him so bad he nearly passed out.

These uncontrolled beatings lasted about 6 months, until she fell to her knees and prayed to God to release her from this scourge of discipline. Having stopped the beatings, she vowed she would never hit him again, and no one would ever know. She would just "forget" what had happened and life would go on.

Apparently this woman hid the bruises from her husband by dressing her son in long pants and shirts with long sleaves in an attempt to avoid his wrath at her out-of-control compulsion to physically punish her son.

Here are some additional findings from my years of research: The beating of girls stops at a later age then that of boys. Apparently a large, muscular boy is a deterrent to a belt wielding parent; the mentally handicapped are often beaten their entire lifetimes; the bigger the kid, the earlier the beatings stop and this includes girls and boys; mothers who beat their children, and had never been beaten themselves (usually a husband, relative, or close friend has put pressure on them to be "tougher" with their kids) feel guilt over their beatings; those raised on the belt experience no guilt over beating their kids.

Also, women who beat their children at the urging of others, e.g., husbands, family members or pastors, but were never beaten themselves, are almost invariably subject to intense feelings of guilt, and subsequently to serious, even life-threatening, depression; fathers are less likely to hit their girls when they wear skirts vs. jeans--mothers are less restrained, and will hit their girls the same as the boys; Hispanics hit their children almost exclusively on the legs--if a Hispanic hits above the legs, abuse is clearly happening; the use of the cat-of-9-tails is almost exclusively used by whites of English heritage---remember, the "cat" was a staple of discipline used in the 19th century British navy.

The Cantonese who settled NY Chinatown rarely hit their kids---until other Chinese moved in, Chinatown was virtually crime free; according to Wolfgang and Figlio, authors of Delinquency in a Birth Cohort, U. of Chicago Press, 1972, who exhaustively looked at every male born in Philadelphia in one year, poor whites were involved in fewer crimes than affluent blacks. To my own surprise, my own data indicated that educated blacks were willing to use corporal punishment on their children nearly twice as much as uneducated whites, but extended time in college was correlated with less beatings given their children at home--children in the Ghetto who hang with delinquent friends, and are not beaten, have crime rates lower than whites in general. Unfortunately, the belt is the black community's staple of discipline. Nevertheless, I have consistently found that blacks who do not strap their children have children who are no more aggressive than non-beaten whites. African Americans are born as innocent and as non-aggressive as white Americans. I fear that their slave heritage, like those who are of English heritage who use the cat-of-9-tails on their children, has destined them to be victims of their own terrible ancesteral past. I also fear that racial profiling does not explain why our prisons are disproportionately filled with African American males.

Women who are beaten tend to select mates who beat them--apparently their idea of what is "manly" and "sexy" comes from their father, whether they liked him or not; Swedes rarely hit their kids, their jails are remarkably humane, and their crime rate very low--it is often said they have a high suicide rate, but this is a myth which I found out first hand presenting a paper in Stockholm.

Our data also indicates that peer group influence is over-rated---bad friends can have a multiplier affect when a lot of troubled kids get together and encourage each other to act out, but non-beaten kids who hang out with bad friends because they live in bad neighborhoods usually trot home when the trouble begins. We were struck with the minimal impact of peer group influence on children who are essentially not angry.

In short, all of the data suggests that corporal punishment as a disciplinary technique is very dangerous, is the MAJOR contributor to our crime rate, and tends to perpetuate itself.

are you implying that I said to beat your kids regularly? all i said is that if someone steps out of line, a good slap can be effective. I never said anything about raising a kid by the belt. again, if you talk back to a cop at 14, you need to be slapped, if you are just a kid doing kid things like spilling milk or pushing your sister, by know means is physical abuse neccessary or appropriate.


it is never right to hit a kid out of anger just to do so, however,there are instances where it is ok to slap someone in the face.

you see this is the problem.
I say that this one action doesn't bother me and people are hoping my nutz get burnt off and talking to me about how its wrong to abuse a child. duh!

[ICON]

people supporting this kind of madness from the cops should be stripped of their rights until they understand them a little better. cops swear an oath and are expected to handle themselves maturely without losing their cool. this cop deserves to be thrown in the slammer to fend for himself for a while then never allowed to be employed by state, local or federal government again.

don't be so retarded to think that, just because a kid tries to get away from something that is obviously out of line, that it is justified for reasons that are obviously NOT supported by the law. the kid he was choking in the beginning? maybe he was actually skating against city ordinance in an area posted as such but who give a rat ass ...Go catch a crook

[-Slap-]

During my long career evaluating juvenile delinquents (now numbering in the thousands, and still climbing as a Court Based Assessment Psychologist), I have yet to see the first violent male juvenile delinquent who wasn't raised on a belt, board, extension cord, fist or the equivalent. I have carefully excluded all forms of discipline that were incapable of causing lasting physical marks or damage including hand slaps, hands to the rear, and even a switch to the legs. I am still amazed at the consistency of the "belt" and its equivalents in producing angry and violent behavior.

A number of years ago I told the probation officers at the Danbury, CT juvenile court that I would give them $100 if they would refer me an aggressive, male juvenile delinquent who had not been raised on "the belt' however, if they sent me a false positive (a kid they thought had not been beaten on a regular basis, but actually had a history of physical abuse they had not found) they had to pay me $1.00 it seemed a bet too hard to turn down. After losing close to $20.00 they all backed out of the contest.

I vividly remember one 15 year old boy who they had interviewed in depth, as well as the mother. This boy had systematically trashed 14 summer homes on Candlewood Lake, a community just outside of Danbury. When I saw him, I thought, "Oh boy. I'm screwed. They found one." I also interviewed the boy in exhaustively, but he kept insisting his mother was a good Christian, and would never hit him. His dad was on the road a lot but was very loving, and would never even think of raising a hand to him. At this point I started to think in terms of some sort of dis-inhibition syndrome due to brain damage, or even a brain tumor. I went back and asked him if a relative had beaten him in the past, but he insisted that no one had.

The mother initially verified his story, insisting that she did not believe in corporal punishment, then in mid sentence, broke down into deep sobs. When I asked her what was wrong, she said, "I never thought anyone would find out; I thought I could forget what I had done forever." She went on to explain that her son was extremely active when he was a toddler; her husband would work long hours, and was essentially never home. She tried to talk to her son when he misbehaved in public, and when told by numerous people she needed to get "tougher with him," she took him home one day and started to beat this helpless little 4 year old child; she said she was so angry with her husband's lack of involvement in her son's discipline, that she simply "lost it," and beat him so bad he nearly passed out.

These uncontrolled beatings lasted about 6 months, until she fell to her knees and prayed to God to release her from this scourge of discipline. Having stopped the beatings, she vowed she would never hit him again, and no one would ever know. She would just "forget" what had happened and life would go on.

Apparently this woman hid the bruises from her husband by dressing her son in long pants and shirts with long sleaves in an attempt to avoid his wrath at her out-of-control compulsion to physically punish her son.

Here are some additional findings from my years of research: The beating of girls stops at a later age then that of boys. Apparently a large, muscular boy is a deterrent to a belt wielding parent; the mentally handicapped are often beaten their entire lifetimes; the bigger the kid, the earlier the beatings stop and this includes girls and boys; mothers who beat their children, and had never been beaten themselves (usually a husband, relative, or close friend has put pressure on them to be "tougher" with their kids) feel guilt over their beatings; those raised on the belt experience no guilt over beating their kids.

Also, women who beat their children at the urging of others, e.g., husbands, family members or pastors, but were never beaten themselves, are almost invariably subject to intense feelings of guilt, and subsequently to serious, even life-threatening, depression; fathers are less likely to hit their girls when they wear skirts vs. jeans--mothers are less restrained, and will hit their girls the same as the boys; Hispanics hit their children almost exclusively on the legs--if a Hispanic hits above the legs, abuse is clearly happening; the use of the cat-of-9-tails is almost exclusively used by whites of English heritage---remember, the "cat" was a staple of discipline used in the 19th century British navy.

The Cantonese who settled NY Chinatown rarely hit their kids---until other Chinese moved in, Chinatown was virtually crime free; according to Wolfgang and Figlio, authors of Delinquency in a Birth Cohort, U. of Chicago Press, 1972, who exhaustively looked at every male born in Philadelphia in one year, poor whites were involved in fewer crimes than affluent blacks. To my own surprise, my own data indicated that educated blacks were willing to use corporal punishment on their children nearly twice as much as uneducated whites, but extended time in college was correlated with less beatings given their children at home--children in the Ghetto who hang with delinquent friends, and are not beaten, have crime rates lower than whites in general. Unfortunately, the belt is the black community's staple of discipline. Nevertheless, I have consistently found that blacks who do not strap their children have children who are no more aggressive than non-beaten whites. African Americans are born as innocent and as non-aggressive as white Americans. I fear that their slave heritage, like those who are of English heritage who use the cat-of-9-tails on their children, has destined them to be victims of their own terrible ancesteral past. I also fear that racial profiling does not explain why our prisons are disproportionately filled with African American males.

Women who are beaten tend to select mates who beat them--apparently their idea of what is "manly" and "sexy" comes from their father, whether they liked him or not; Swedes rarely hit their kids, their jails are remarkably humane, and their crime rate very low--it is often said they have a high suicide rate, but this is a myth which I found out first hand presenting a paper in Stockholm.

Our data also indicates that peer group influence is over-rated---bad friends can have a multiplier affect when a lot of troubled kids get together and encourage each other to act out, but non-beaten kids who hang out with bad friends because they live in bad neighborhoods usually trot home when the trouble begins. We were struck with the minimal impact of peer group influence on children who are essentially not angry.

In short, all of the data suggests that corporal punishment as a disciplinary technique is very dangerous, is the MAJOR contributor to our crime rate, and tends to perpetuate itself.

Great post. I've always believed the only thing you teach a child with physical punishment is that violence is the easiest solution to a problem.

[gunns]

Definetly a bad move on the cops part, but thankfully cops like this are a very small minority.

Unfortunately one that is growing.....fast.

[-Slap-]

There has been a lot of speculation about Officer Riviera on this thread.


He's a Nazi.


Possible, but with a name like Riviera, most self respecting Nazi organizations would politely decline his petition for membership.


He has a small penis.


Impossible to tell by the way he was attired.


He has a funny looking body.


No disputing this one. Kind of reminded me of Dante Bichette. He was Bichette-shaped.


He's a gaping a-hole.


Most of the video evidence in this four minute snippet of his life seems to support this theory.


Certainly, no reasonable person is going to defend his actions in this video. The verbal abuse is nothing, but he definitely crossed the line by manhandling the kid that way.

It kind of makes you wonder how this Bichette-shaped, Latin Nazi, suffering from possible micro-phallus syndrome, was able to remain employed as a police officer in Baltimore for 17 years. You would think there must be a stack of complaints against this guy taller than Jonathan Ogden.

Now, I'm not getting ready to excuse his actions by saying maybe he was having a really bad day. There is no excuse for his behavior and he should be suspended pending a full investigation.

I do think the Baltimore Police owe the man something after 17 years on the job. Mainly, they should find out if there's any underlying reasons for his inappropriate conduct in this incident. Police see a lot of ugly things and anybody who's worked a beat in Baltimore that long has seen more than his share. Cops have higher alcoholism, divorce and suicide rates than the general population and it's quite possible this officer has reached his limit.

I think the final determination of his fate should be decided by his prior record. If he has a reputation as a loose cannon, then it's probably better to give him the option of resigning or being terminated. If his service record has been good or exemplary, then decide if retraining or early retirement is the appropriate course of action.

I also tend to believe John Law was - in a grossly ineffective manner - attempting to give that kid some sound advice. Baltimore is one of the most violent cities in America and looking at people the wrong way there can get you killed much quicker than in most places. Baltimore has a population of only 630,000 people, but they had 276 murders in 2006. That is simply a stunning number. I consider Las Vegas to be a rather violent city and we "only" had 152 murders with a population of 1.3 million in the same time frame.

[gunns]

people supporting this kind of madness from the cops should be stripped of their rights until they understand them a little better. cops swear an oath and are expected to handle themselves maturely without losing their cool. this cop deserves to be thrown in the slammer to fend for himself for a while then never allowed to be employed by state, local or federal government again.

don't be so retarded to think that, just because a kid tries to get away from something that is obviously out of line, that it is justified for reasons that are obviously NOT supported by the law. the kid he was choking in the beginning? maybe he was actually skating against city ordinance in an area posted as such but who give a rat ass ...Go catch a crook

Couldn't agree more. My son was thrown on the ground and choked by a cop after he was handcuffed. The cops partner even corraborated what my son and his friend told the police when I filed a complaint. The cop said my son was trying to escape (in handcuffs??). What actually happened was my son tripped as the cop kept pushing him and yelling at him that he was "a worthless spic and should die". His crime? Truancy

[Florida_Bronco]

Unfortunately one that is growing.....fast.

I don't buy that, not even in the slightest and I'd like to see you present some kind of proof to back that up.

If you want to get down to the brass tacks of it, I believe it's simply a result of a society that has grown increasingly defiant and distrusting of those in authority coupled with the internet and things like YouTube. Simply put, things like this spread a heck of alot more than they did 10 years ago, so everyone thinks it's getting worse.

It's kinda like that Utah Highway Patrolman who tasered that guy for resisting arrest. Years ago that probably wouldn't have even made the local 10 o'clock news out in Utah, much less nationwide.

And that brings me to another thing. I can't believe how many normal citzens are totally ignorant when it comes to the law. Case in point, when that thread came up LABF tried to tell me that walking away from an officer was not resisting arrest. After that and all the anger that video stirred up, Utah Highway Patrol came out and said the officers actions were well within the realm of the law.

Also it's worth noting that law enforcement is getting harder, not easier to get into. More departments are wanting college educations, more intensive psychological evaluations, polygraphs, longer training and so forth.

I've known a number of people turned away because the police agencies here felt that they should not be in a position of authority. Those same people probably would have made it 10-20 years ago.

[Florida_Bronco]

There has been a lot of speculation about Officer Riviera on this thread.


He's a Nazi.


Possible, but with a name like Riviera, most self respecting Nazi organizations would politely decline his petition for membership.


He has a small penis.


Impossible to tell by the way he was attired.


He has a funny looking body.


No disputing this one. Kind of reminded me of Dante Bichette. He was Bichette-shaped.


He's a gaping a-hole.


Most of the video evidence in this four minute snippet of his life seems to support this theory.


Certainly, no reasonable person is going to defend his actions in this video. The verbal abuse is nothing, but he definitely crossed the line by manhandling the kid that way.

It kind of makes you wonder how this Bichette-shaped, Latin Nazi, suffering from possible micro-phallus syndrome, was able to remain employed as a police officer in Baltimore for 17 years. You would think there must be a stack of complaints against this guy taller than Jonathan Ogden.

Now, I'm not getting ready to excuse his actions by saying maybe he was having a really bad day. There is no excuse for his behavior and he should be suspended pending a full investigation.

I do think the Baltimore Police owe the man something after 17 years on the job. Mainly, they should find out if there's any underlying reasons for his inappropriate conduct in this incident. Police see a lot of ugly things and anybody who's worked a beat in Baltimore that long has seen more than his share. Cops have higher alcoholism, divorce and suicide rates than the general population and it's quite possible this officer has reached his limit.

I think the final determination of his fate should be decided by his prior record. If he has a reputation as a loose cannon, then it's probably better to give him the option of resigning or being terminated. If his service record has been good or exemplary, then decide if retraining or early retirement is the appropriate course of action.

I also tend to believe John Law was - in a grossly ineffective manner - attempting to give that kid some sound advice. Baltimore is one of the most violent cities in America and looking at people the wrong way there can get you killed much quicker than in most places. Baltimore has a population of only 630,000 people, but they had 276 murders in 2006. That is simply a stunning number. I consider Las Vegas to be a rather violent city and we "only" had 152 murders with a population of 1.3 million in the same time frame.

Another great and reasonable post Slap. I don't really think alot of people here understand the type of strain a career in law enforcement really is. These guys see the absolutely worst of society day in and day out, and they work a job where 9 times out of 10 your interaction is with people who have broken the law and hate you, but you'll be the first ones they call when the proverbial **** hits the fan.

It's no wonder alot of cops can end up jaded.

But LEOs are held to a higher standard, and that comes with the job. Having said that, I tend to be rather forgiving and understanding to most of these things unless it turns out to be a habitual offender or something. Like you said, his prior record needs to be examined and if this is an isolated incident give him his suspension and let it go. In the end no one is really worse for the wear.

[theAPAOps5]

This coming from a future cop. Of course you don't buy it. In all my dealings with cops 90% of them are power hungry pricks. But those other 10% are amazing human beings and generally can't stand the other side of the coin. But I agree those numbers are dwindling.

[Dedhed]

Definetly a bad move on the cops part, but thankfully cops like this are a very small minority.

Where's the Sarcasm tag?

[Florida_Bronco]

This coming from a future cop. Of course you don't buy it. In all my dealings with cops 90% of them are power hungry pricks. But those other 10% are amazing human beings and generally can't stand the other side of the coin. But I agree those numbers are dwindling.

What does being a future cop have to do with it? I value that very much and you can bet your ass I'll be the first one to call a cop out on the carpet for not doing his duties or abusing his authority.

And before you start questioning my judgement, let me tell YOU something ApaOps. I could have walked in to the St. Petersburg Police Department headquarters and easily had a job with them. They are dying for officers and not only do they put you through the academy, they pay almost $700 a week to you while you are in there. After the academy is done you walk right into a job paying over $30k a year, no experience or college needed. Just gotta be 19 and have a pulse.

But you know what, I'm not there. I'm putting myself through the academy at the community college with no compensation while bearing the tuition on myself.

Why?

Because the St. Petersburg PD from top to bottom is full of corruption and politicians. I refuse to be a part of that, no matter how easy or nice it would have been to get my training free and paid...which just don't happen in Florida law enforcement.

So you think about that before you get the idea to assume that I'll have a cops back no matter what.

[theAPAOps5]

I said there are those 10% that are awesome human beings. You sound like one of them.

[Florida_Bronco]

I said there are those 10% that are awesome human beings. You sound like one of them.

Alright fair enough. But I'd say those numbers should be flipped. I saw you mentioned that you worked at an airport (which I hear sucks in general, so add that on in stress) so I'm not sure how many officers you have under you, but it's probably not that large of a number, is it?

[Ratboy]

Crazy. This could have ended worse. The kid is lucky he didn't hit his head on the sidewalk and have serious brain trauma. The cop should been demoted to a Prison Guard. He obviously isn't a community type of guy.

[NW Bolt Fan]

The rush to judgement here is scary. Officer lost his temper AFTER he'd already been talking to the kid- who obviously wasn't responding- then kept on responding over, and over, and over...

For all who oppose what happened, would rather have had this scenario play out: Instead of grabbing him and forcefully taking away his skateboard, the officer calls in back-up for failure to comply with his directions, resisting arrest, etc. and the kid ends up with a record? Because after the kid won't respond, then becomes a smart ass, he definitely could have been arrested. The testimony of his "buddies" is inadmissable because they're minors...

A cop is everybody's worst enemy- until they need one.

Society has gone wrong now for awhile. Kids are supposed to respect their elders. It should be inherent... but it's not.

While I can see where people got upset because the cop got too physical, AND clearly lost his temper, he did not beat the **** out of the kid. AND he'd obviously been talking to them before they responded. A simple, "sorry sir," and they'd have probably been on their way.

[Bronx33]

A cop demanding respect and pushing a little kid around you said it yourself (his lost his temper) he handled the situation completely wrong (end of story).

[That One Guy]

Another great and reasonable post Slap. I don't really think alot of people here understand the type of strain a career in law enforcement really is. These guys see the absolutely worst of society day in and day out, and they work a job where 9 times out of 10 your interaction is with people who have broken the law and hate you, but you'll be the first ones they call when the proverbial **** hits the fan.

It's no wonder alot of cops can end up jaded.

But LEOs are held to a higher standard, and that comes with the job. Having said that, I tend to be rather forgiving and understanding to most of these things unless it turns out to be a habitual offender or something. Like you said, his prior record needs to be examined and if this is an isolated incident give him his suspension and let it go. In the end no one is really worse for the wear.

I have to sorta disagree with this since I spent some time deployed to Iraq. We, same as officers, quite often end up spending a lot of our time reacting to the bad rather than visiting with the good... so I DEFINITELY became jaded and am rather intolerant of Arabic people in general. Usually I play it off as crude, off color jokes but at the same time, there's some true feeling to it.

That being said, when the feces hits the fan, there's still the pride factor in helping someone out and while I'm leniant to soldiers that push the envelope in treatment of Iraqis, I still have a hard time excusing it when they go overboard. I agree with Slap on maybe an early retirement if the guy has previously been honorable... that's completely acceptable to me because the guy has served. I can't agree that the guy should be excused and the incident filed under too many previously traumatic situations. I even kind of hold this guy to a higher standard than soldiers in Iraq because soldiers deal with people of another land who you oftentimes can't even communicate with... this kid, while maybe mouthy, is part of the guy's community. If he can't handle dealing with some kid from his own community, I have a hard time believing it's because he's dealt with too many murderers or drug addicts in his day. There's just no correlation unless the guy just hates everyone and hates life in which case HE should've been man enough to step up and remove himself from the situation before it ever arose.

[That One Guy]

The rush to judgement here is scary. Officer lost his temper AFTER he'd already been talking to the kid- who obviously wasn't responding- then kept on responding over, and over, and over...

For all who oppose what happened, would rather have had this scenario play out: Instead of grabbing him and forcefully taking away his skateboard, the officer calls in back-up for failure to comply with his directions, resisting arrest, etc. and the kid ends up with a record? Because after the kid won't respond, then becomes a smart ass, he definitely could have been arrested. The testimony of his "buddies" is inadmissable because they're minors...

A cop is everybody's worst enemy- until they need one.

Society has gone wrong now for awhile. Kids are supposed to respect their elders. It should be inherent... but it's not.

While I can see where people got upset because the cop got too physical, AND clearly lost his temper, he did not beat the **** out of the kid. AND he'd obviously been talking to them before they responded. A simple, "sorry sir," and they'd have probably been on their way.

That sounds like a whole lot of craziness. They're going to dismiss the fellow kids' testimonies because they're minors? They admitted the 3 year old's utterances of "mommies in the rug" in that Ohio cop murder case... why in the world would they refuse these kid's claims?

As for respect, everyone thinks their ultimate dream in life is to be in charge of something... be a manager, be in some position of authority... but people need to assess themselves to see if they should be there. If you DEMAND respect but can't EARN respect, that inbalance is going to cause you a lot of problems. To flip it, if this guy had been stern and said they couldn't skate there, they know the rules and need to start following them... they'd likely have moved on. If they don't, that's why they have minor citations. Give the punk a $25 ticket if he wont leave and then he'll have to explain to his parents why they need to cough up some change. Problem solved. This guy went on a power trip plain and simple and those should only be used when absolutely necessary because if you don't have the bases in place for a power trip, you'll get dissent and a very fragile situation as people blow you off for one reason or another.

[NW Bolt Fan]

A cop demanding respect and pushing a little kid around you said it yourself (his lost his temper) he handled the situation completely wrong (end of story).NO ONE except those present have the full story, yet everyone wants to rush to judgement based on a partial filming from a cell phone... Was the cop out of line for awhile- yeah. Was the kid- yeah. Does society and everybody overreact- yeah.

We've lost both common sense, and the ability to decipher people's intentions behind their actions. Its just more degredation of our litigable society.

Murderers are set free when there is "inadmissable" evidence under a judge's nose. Criminals riot when their TV priveleges are taken away.

People want justice but they're not willing to put in the work necessary for it. We honor loyalty over honesty- at the cost of integrity. Morality has been set aside for instant gratification and get rich quick dreams.

[Bronx33]

[QUOTE=NW Bolt Fan;1883900]NO ONE except those present have the full story, yet everyone wants to rush to judgement based on a partial filming from a cell phone... Was the cop out of line for awhile- yeah. Was the kid- yeah. Does society and everybody overreact- yeah.

And hes the guy in charge of the situation the rest of your post means nothing (end of story)

[Lev Vyvanse]

NO ONE except those present have the full story, yet everyone wants to rush to judgement based on a partial filming from a cell phone... Was the cop out of line for awhile- yeah. Was the kid- yeah. Does society and everybody overreact- yeah.

We've lost both common sense, and the ability to decipher people's intentions behind their actions. Its just more degredation of our litigable society.

Murderers are set free when there is "inadmissable" evidence under a judge's nose. Criminals riot when their TV priveleges are taken away.

People want justice but they're not willing to put in the work necessary for it. We honor loyalty over honesty- at the cost of integrity. Morality has been set aside for instant gratification and get rich quick dreams.

I with you **** the constitution. Fry them all.

[NW Bolt Fan]

That sounds like a whole lot of craziness. They're going to dismiss the fellow kids' testimonies because they're minors? They admitted the 3 year old's utterances of "mommies in the rug" in that Ohio cop murder case... why in the world would they refuse these kid's claims?

As for respect, everyone thinks their ultimate dream in life is to be in charge of something... be a manager, be in some position of authority... but people need to assess themselves to see if they should be there. If you DEMAND respect but can't EARN respect, that inbalance is going to cause you a lot of problems. To flip it, if this guy had been stern and said they couldn't skate there, they know the rules and need to start following them... they'd likely have moved on. If they don't, that's why they have minor citations. Give the punk a $25 ticket if he wont leave and then he'll have to explain to his parents why they need to cough up some change. Problem solved. This guy went on a power trip plain and simple and those should only be used when absolutely necessary because if you don't have the bases in place for a power trip, you'll get dissent and a very fragile situation as people blow you off for one reason or another.
While I agree respect needs to be earned, I also believe it should be shown to "peace" officers. This is not a murder case, and different states have different laws, but generally the situational testimony of a minor is inadmissable. If the minor were a witness to 3rd party crime it would be different. In defense of their buddy- it'd be taken into consideration during arraignment- but likely not recorded at trial.

There are definitely bad cops out there. Definitely. There is also a growing dissrespect for authority, and order. Eventually things will get bad enough where people decide they've had enough, or the problems will grow because the, "it's not happening to me," mentality will prevail. I fear the latter.

[NW Bolt Fan]

I with you **** the constitution. Fry them all.
I doubt the authors intended the "debate" that has ensued. But if someone bludgeons your grandmother to death, and a video tape that clearly identifies the perpetrators is thrown out because it was "illegally" obtained, then yeah, hey, got to honor the constitution.

[NW Bolt Fan]

For Bronx33NO ONE except those present have the full storyTHIS is where EVERYONE'S post means nothing (end of story).

[That One Guy]

While I agree respect needs to be earned, I also believe it should be shown to "peace" officers. This is not a murder case, and different states have different laws, but generally the situational testimony of a minor is inadmissable. If the minor were a witness to 3rd party crime it would be different. In defense of their buddy- it'd be taken into consideration during arraignment- but likely not recorded at trial.

There are definitely bad cops out there. Definitely. There is also a growing dissrespect for authority, and order. Eventually things will get bad enough where people decide they've had enough, or the problems will grow because the, "it's not happening to me," mentality will prevail. I fear the latter.

OK, I got ya on the inadmissable part... I agree that with them being partially vested in the situation, their views would basically be taken with a grain of salt... I was just saying that being a minor doesn't make you completely ignored. I agree with you there.

I also agree that cops should be shown respect... but so should everyone until they give you reason to lose it. Cops a little more so because of the volatility of the situations they'll be involved in but still, in a case like this where nobody is going to get killed... an officer shouldn't need to be so aggressive.

I think a big part of it is that the society we live in no longer accepts "because I told you to" as a justifiable reason for anything. For decades now the country has been on a path of learning to question "the man" (Cartman would blame the hippies but it went before them even with the early days of other social reform) and that's leading to issues with today's youth. Nobody is willing to just be put in their place anymore, everyone is equal. It'll have it's good days and it's bad days... folks had to accept that when they instigated social change.

And as for bad cops, nobody should ever go into a situation with the impression that the cop they are dealing with will likely be dirty. Be skeptical and protect yourself but there's definitely not enough dirty cops for the majority to really be tainted. There's a lot of a**holes, everytime one of em stops me he insists on giving me a ticket- but that doesn't necessarily make them dirty.

[That One Guy]

For Bronx33THIS is where EVERYONE'S post means nothing (end of story).

I get what you're getting at there but unless that skateboard was intended to be used as a weapon or was concealing one, the officer's treatment of the kid was unacceptable in these circumstances. That needs no story, it's evident in its own right.

[That One Guy]

I doubt the authors intended the "debate" that has ensued. But if someone bludgeons your grandmother to death, and a video tape that clearly identifies the perpetrators is thrown out because it was "illegally" obtained, then yeah, hey, got to honor the constitution.

This is one of those things that you can't have it both ways on. You can either make everything admissable or you can give average citizens a respectable sense of privacy. I think generally if a mistake is made in good faith, it'll be accepted... at least that's how it usually works on Law & Order. If the officer purposely violates the rules... the failures stop at his feet. I hate technicalities getting in the way of a legal prosecution but sometimes they have to let one walk to deter future situations from basically going rogue and violating the rights we DO believe are legit.

[Lev Vyvanse]

I doubt the authors intended the "debate" that has ensued. But if someone bludgeons your grandmother to death, and a video tape that clearly identifies the perpetrators is thrown out because it was "illegally" obtained, then yeah, hey, got to honor the constitution.

My grandmothers are both dead. How are yours?

As for "illegally" obtained. What if a cop beat you until you confessed to killing someone on tape?

[That One Guy]

My grandmothers are both dead. How are yours?

As for "illegally" obtained. What if a cop beat you until you confessed to killing someone on tape.

I believe he was speaking in a hypothetical sense. Insert mom, dad, brother, dog, or rice cooker in place of grandmother if you'd like.

No need to get crazy because the guy is trying to make a point.

[Lev Vyvanse]

I believe he was speaking in a hypothetical sense. Insert mom, dad, brother, dog, or rice cooker in place of grandmother if you'd like.

No need to get crazy because the guy is trying to make a point.

Assaulting a rice cooker is a felony in most States. Don't even joke it's becoming a real problem.

He was using grandmothers in general to make a point. My point is the other end of that spectrum.

[That One Guy]

Assaulting a rice cooker is a felony in most States. Don't even joke it's becoming a real problem.

He was using grandmothers in general to make a point. My point is the other end of that spectrum.

Nobody really argues when a case is thrown out because a confession is "coerced" but the issues come up when the guy that speaks english all day long but speaks spanish as his native language suddenly didn't understand his Miranda rights before he confessed to destroying said rice cooker. Little technicalities that are committed when everything thinks they're following the rules and then a murderer goes free are what make people question the system.

In the end, I haven't broken any major laws in a while so I'm fairly liberal on the implementation of those laws I haven't broken. I can see the other side of the argument though.

[Spider]

There is no such thing as a "healthy fear of police".

Calling someone dude will not get you killed unless you are really in the wrong neighborhood.

And how is he teaching this kid any form of respect by reacting in a violent way to nonthreatening, unoffensive behavior?

There is nothing about this situation that is right, except if the cop lost his job.

yep

[NW Bolt Fan]

My grandmothers are both dead. How are yours?

As for "illegally" obtained. What if a cop beat you until you confessed to killing someone on tape?Both my grandmothers are dead. The "hypothetical" happened to my college roommate. 2 of the assailants were caught with the body, but one, the one most responsible on tape, got off scott free.

Law and Order and CSI are great. You know why? Because there is almost ALWAYS justice.

Real life just ain't that way.

Just like beating a confession just ain't the same as video proof of murder- that wasn't admitted in a court of law. No matter how you spin it- it's a loss of common sense in the judicial system.

[cutthemdown]

It's probably more complicated than that.

For sure it is. The thing is though prison have become such a violent place I think it's spilling out into the street. Something has to be done about the fact young black men end up in prison at numbers that dwarf any other race. We can't just make everything legal but taking the money out the drug trade would drastically shake up the underworld. Who knows what would happen but getting just the drug offenders out of the system would be a step in the right direction.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Nobody is willing to just be put in their place anymore, everyone is equal. It'll have it's good days and it's bad days... folks had to accept that when they instigated social change.I like the way you put that. 'Spose I'm still resisting acceptance of that- true equality. I believe in the equal worth of all people- that no one person is more valuable than any one other- but the necessity for everything to be equal in a world that's predicated on inequality...

C'est la vie.

[That One Guy]

For sure it is. The thing is though prison have become such a violent place I think it's spilling out into the street. Something has to be done about the fact young black men end up in prison at numbers that dwarf any other race. We can't just make everything legal but taking the money out the drug trade would drastically shake up the underworld. Who knows what would happen but getting just the drug offenders out of the system would be a step in the right direction.

Nobody cares about what's safe. If some drugs are made safe, they wont be as fun anymore. Folks would just move on to the next level of drug to stay "dangerous" so there's really no simple answer to solving that problem. The envelope will be pushed whether it be alcohol during prohibition of if it were cocaine if weed was legalized.

That post by Icon on tendencies for abuse was amazing and insightful and there needs to be social reform at a lot of levels to solve the number of black men in prison problem. Whether it really boils down to parental discipline or not... I don't know, I still think there'd be more peer pressure and environmental influences than he seemed to think but it sounds like he might be a tad more informed than I am on the topic. At the end of the day though, nothing is going to incite change until the black community incites it and they're still currently "fighting the oppression of the white man" so that's not really their focus.

I refuse to believe a culture that embraces music so centered around drugs and violence that also falls victim to those same problems is doing everything in their power to remedy the situation themselves. The situation isn't ready for the governments assistance yet.

[Taco John]

I don't really think alot of people here understand the type of strain a career in law enforcement really is.


I'm going to be straight with you:

I don't really care.

Having a stressful job is no excuse to abuse your authority. This man is a servant of the taxpayer any way you slice it. You think any tax payers were served by this man's complete disrespectful use of his authority?

I hope this man spends the next three years pushing a keyboard behind a desk for the next three years in service of worthy police men and women.

Whether this man has an exeplary past or not doesn't excuse this behavior IMO. He is the kind of cop that manufactures criminals, not prevents them. That kid did not learn anything about respect for the law in this episode. He learned that policemen are the enemy. And so did a lot of Americans through the wonder of the Internet.

This man is a threat to the real public servants.

[NW Bolt Fan]

I'm going to be straight with you:

I don't really care.

Having a stressful job is no excuse to abuse your authority. This man is a servant of the taxpayer any way you slice it. You think any tax payers were served by this man's complete disrespectful use of his authority?

I hope this man spends the next three years pushing a keyboard behind a desk for the next three years in service of worthy police men and women.

Whether this man has an exeplary past or not doesn't excuse this behavior IMO. He is the kind of cop that manufactures criminals, not prevents them. That kid did not learn anything about respect for the law in this episode. He learned that policemen are the enemy. And so did a lot of Americans through the wonder of the Internet.

This man is a threat to the real public servants.I disagree. The kid learned you can disrespect the law, and as long as you got a portion of it on tape, you actually come across as an urban hero.

[Vegas_Bronco]

I wanted to do law enforcement and then sat down to the first of 3 polygraph tests...the questions they asked made me sick! They're looking for incriminators - people that would rat out their own kid. It is what it is, their place in society is just as important as that of an illegal prostitute...a symbiotic relationship each needing the other to survive on a day to day basis.

Now who's up for a pig fry?

Jk - I love and respect the law, I just hate those who let a little bit of power run straight to their heads. They should be publicly ridiculed just like this guy was and the skateboarder will get his someday when he realizes that the world has state & federal pens.

[Taco John]

I disagree. The kid learned you can disrespect the law, and as long as you got a portion of it on tape, you actually come across as an urban hero.


I would expect a statist of your stature to come away with that.

One thing is certain. If that's the lesson he got, he's absolutely right. The kid should have asked if he was under arrest, and if not informed the cop that he was going to turn his back and walk away.

[NW Bolt Fan]

I would expect a statist of your stature to come away with that.

One thing is certain. If that's the lesson he got, he's absolutely right. The kid should have asked if he was under arrest, and if not informed the cop that he was going to turn his back and walk away.Statist? Probably not. But whenever it was decided citizens could burn the U.S. flag on U.S. soil and be applauded for it... I started losing hope.

Regarding your second, I wonder what wouldve happened if that'd come up?

[Taco John]

Statist? Probably not.


That part was never up for question. I've read your posts. I know what you stand for. You are a statist. You mistake your love of the state for patriotism. And no doubt, you are probably very patriotic. Of course, I am too. I just don't love the state like you do. I'm able to seperate the government from America.


But whenever it was decided citizens could burn the U.S. flag on U.S. soil and be applauded for it... I started losing hope.


I've never seen anyone applauded for burning the flag. I doubt you have either, but being a statist, it's no suprise that you would ooze statist propaganda.


Regarding your second, I wonder what wouldve happened if that'd come up?


The cop would probably end up in prison for his (over)reaction.

[Vegas_Bronco]

http://sloppyjoe72.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/dwightschrute.jpg

There are a lot of 'DWIGHTs' out there - this cop is just another example.

[theAPAOps5]

Alright fair enough. But I'd say those numbers should be flipped. I saw you mentioned that you worked at an airport (which I hear sucks in general, so add that on in stress) so I'm not sure how many officers you have under you, but it's probably not that large of a number, is it?

They are only under me during an emergency or incident. And I have to be honest the ones out here at DIA are not the best of the lot from DPD. But working down at Centennial many of the Arapahoe County cops that came to incidents were the same way. But you are right 90/10 is wrong. Its probably 65/35

[Beantown Bronco]

I don't buy the whole "corporal punishment is all bad" argument. For every violent juvenile out there that was raised "by the belt", I could probably name 10 non-violent juveniles out there that were also raised "by the belt."

[Kaylore]

http://sloppyjoe72.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/dwightschrute.jpg

There are a lot of 'DWIGHTs' out there - this cop is just another example.

That's an unfair swipe at Dwight. This guy seems to have issues with insecurity. Dwight knows he's a badass and his confidence doesn't let him bully people. He just talks down to them.:)

[TailgateNut]

Well everyone can have their own opinion, but yours is as wrong as they come if you ask me.

You simply can't punish a cop for a shooting unless it has been investigated completely. The ramifications would be numerous, starting with the unions going absolutely ape****. Plus you have the policemen's bill of rights and so forth. It goes along with innocent until proven guilty and all that.


Is that right. If another civil servant shoots and kills someone, do you think he's placed on paid leave, or do you think he's immediately placed in jail.

It goes along with innocent until proven guilty!Hilarious!

How do you feel about the public having to pay for the killers' lawsuit.

[TailgateNut]

again, if you talk back to a cop at 14, you need to be slapped,

it is never right to hit a kid out of anger just to do so, however,there are instances where it is ok to slap someone in the face.

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YOU NEED HELP!

[RaiderH8r]

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The Dude abides.

[WolfpackGuy]

He needs to take his ass 5 blocks in any direction from there and do some real police work. Don't pick on some kids skating in front of the Cheesecake Factory. They don't call it Bodymore, Murdaland for nothing, ya know.

[NW Bolt Fan]

That part was never up for question. I've read your posts. I know what you stand for. You are a statist. You mistake your love of the state for patriotism. And no doubt, you are probably very patriotic. Of course, I am too. I just don't love the state like you do. I'm able to seperate the government from America.





I've never seen anyone applauded for burning the flag. I doubt you have either, but being a statist, it's no suprise that you would ooze statist propaganda.





The cop would probably end up in prison for his (over)reaction.Oozing statist propoganda? HAH. Classic. You can decipher all of my political views based on a handful of non-football takes? Assume away. I don't love the government, and quite frankly believe they are a major hindrance to progress. If you haven't noticed me bashing the legal system- a very definite part of the government then open your eyes. I don' t follow party lines and I'm sickened by the amount of blind voting that goes on in America. YOU mistake my love of country for love of state- not the other way around. I've traveled outside the U.S. extensively. More people should. They'd have a deeper appreciation of how much we have, and less crying about what they don't have...

[Spider]

When I read these posts I can't help but feel a little misunderstood. I normally have a healthy fear of police officers, and there are times when they no doubt cross the line. This particular case is not that way imo.

You see, I agree with you for the most part, but I can't help but feel that most people are over reacting to cases like these. I know where this is going, and there will be major lawsuits and whatnot. this is not Rodney king. This is not 41 bullets into the chest of an unarmed man. this is not a night stick up the pooper, this is b**** slapping a 14 year old punk.

Normally I would be on the bandwagon with you and call for his head, but this particular case does not bother me in the least.

and yes, the kid never threatened him, and this officer may have over reacted. BUT, if you listen to the officer he is trying to get the kid to understand one valuable rule: "this behavior will get you killed" those are his exact words.

LOL even in some of the Hoods I have been in , you dont have to say anything to get killed .... This cop is noting but a fat ass drama queen ....... Here is a story , I was waiting in line ot unload at Nebraskaland foods in hunts point Bronx New york , the Market is inside a place we called the cage , not for the timid , anyhoo a guy comes out wearing a Nebraskaland smock , told me to pull up by the fense to park , I looked to see where he was talking about ...... Then Whap , the ****er hit me in the head with a bag of rocks , trying to rob me ..... He ran like hell when I didnt fall ..... He did do some damage though .... point is if you are a mark , you will be hit , not matter what comes out of your pie hole

[Spider]

The rush to judgement here is scary. Officer lost his temper AFTER he'd already been talking to the kid- who obviously wasn't responding- then kept on responding over, and over, and over...

For all who oppose what happened, would rather have had this scenario play out: Instead of grabbing him and forcefully taking away his skateboard, the officer calls in back-up for failure to comply with his directions, resisting arrest, etc. and the kid ends up with a record? Because after the kid won't respond, then becomes a smart ass, he definitely could have been arrested. The testimony of his "buddies" is inadmissable because they're minors...

A cop is everybody's worst enemy- until they need one.

Society has gone wrong now for awhile. Kids are supposed to respect their elders. It should be inherent... but it's not.

While I can see where people got upset because the cop got too physical, AND clearly lost his temper, he did not beat the **** out of the kid. AND he'd obviously been talking to them before they responded. A simple, "sorry sir," and they'd have probably been on their way.
After reading this post it dawned on me ....... you are a dick

[Florida_Bronco]

Is that right. If another civil servant shoots and kills someone, do you think he's placed on paid leave, or do you think he's immediately placed in jail.

It goes along with innocent until proven guilty!Hilarious!

How do you feel about the public having to pay for the killers' lawsuit.

Huh? ???

You DO understand that part of the job description of being a cop means you might have to shoot and kill someone. It's part of the job.

Hell even civilians can shoot someone and kill them in self defense and they are not arrested then unless there is evidence or witnesses at the scene that contradicts that.

Let me ask you this...how would YOU handle a cop involved in an on duty shooting?

This should be good.

[NW Bolt Fan]

After reading this post it dawned on me ....... you are a dickTouche.

[crowebomber]

It's just a guess, but I bet that Officer Riviera has a little penis.

Officer Riveria and orangeandblueblooded. Sorry peewee.

[Dedhed]

Let's get to the bottom line. Who's more dangerous to society? A skating 14 year old, or an over zealous loser with gun (and a license to use it) and a bit of an inferiority complex?

[-Slap-]

Let's get to the bottom line. Who's more dangerous to society? A skating 14 year old, or an over zealous loser with gun (and a license to use it) and a bit of an inferiority complex?

Him.

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[TailgateNut]

Huh? ???

You DO understand that part of the job description of being a cop means you might have to shoot and kill someone. It's part of the job.

Hell even civilians can shoot someone and kill them in self defense and they are not arrested then unless there is evidence or witnesses at the scene that contradicts that.

Let me ask you this...how would YOU handle a cop involved in an on duty shooting?

This should be good.


When a cop shoots and kills a person who is sleeping and has no weapon he needs to be suspended without pay until the investigation is complete. We do not need morons with a license to kill out on the street. PERIOD.

When off duty cops shoot two people in a vehicle using 17 bullets in the process, I consider it Murder.

When a cop shoots a mentaly disabled child because he "came at him in a threatening manner, he needs to be charged with murder.

GOOD enough for your cop lovin' ass!

There are good cops, and there are some real bad apples in the force who seem to think the first and only way to deal with any issue is to shoot first and ask questions later. They need to be treated like any other person, and their supervisors need to be removed for improper training of their forces.

[Spider]

When a cop shoots and kills a person who is sleeping and has no weapon he needs to be suspended without pay until the investigation is complete. We do not need morons with a license to kill out on the street. PERIOD.

When off duty cops shoot two people in a vehicle using 17 bullets in the process, I consider it Murder.

When a cop shoots a mentaly disabled child because he "came at him in a threatening manner, he needs to be charged with murder.

GOOD enough for your cop lovin' ass!

There are good cops, and there are some real bad apples in the force who seem to think the first and only way to deal with any issue is to shoot first and ask questions later. They need to be treated like any other person, and their supervisors need to be removed for improper training of their forces.

it is amazing how people put cops up on pedestals , Majority of the cops you deal with today are pricks ....

[Beantown Bronco]

it is amazing how people put cops up on pedestals

You know what you're problem is Andy? You're putting the p*ssy on a pedestal.

[BMF Bronco]

When a cop shoots and kills a person who is sleeping and has no weapon he needs to be suspended without pay until the investigation is complete. We do not need morons with a license to kill out on the street. PERIOD.

When off duty cops shoot two people in a vehicle using 17 bullets in the process, I consider it Murder.

When a cop shoots a mentaly disabled child because he "came at him in a threatening manner, he needs to be charged with murder.

GOOD enough for your cop lovin' ass!

There are good cops, and there are some real bad apples in the force who seem to think the first and only way to deal with any issue is to shoot first and ask questions later. They need to be treated like any other person, and their supervisors need to be removed for improper training of their forces.

Dont forgetabout the wonderful cop who killed his pregnant GF and dumped her body in a park in Ohio.

[Florida_Bronco]

When a cop shoots and kills a person who is sleeping and has no weapon he needs to be suspended without pay until the investigation is complete. We do not need morons with a license to kill out on the street. PERIOD.

When off duty cops shoot two people in a vehicle using 17 bullets in the process, I consider it Murder.

When a cop shoots a mentaly disabled child because he "came at him in a threatening manner, he needs to be charged with murder.

GOOD enough for your cop lovin' ass!

There are good cops, and there are some real bad apples in the force who seem to think the first and only way to deal with any issue is to shoot first and ask questions later. They need to be treated like any other person, and their supervisors need to be removed for improper training of their forces.

Do you have reading comprehension problem, or is it that you get all emotional and just end up looking like a complete tool.

You are going off in a TOTALLY different direction. I am talking about the policy in general, while you are citing these specific examples where something is wrong and getting all riled up.

I am asking you how YOU feel the policy should be that all cops are held to when involved in an on duty shooting.

As for the cases you cited, well yes if it is OBVIOUS that there was foul play then that is different. No ****in **** genious.

[TailgateNut]

Do you have reading comprehension problem, or is it that you get all emotional and just end up looking like a complete tool.

You are going off in a TOTALLY different direction. I am talking about the policy in general, while you are citing these specific examples where something is wrong and getting all riled up.

I am asking you how YOU feel the policy should be that all cops are held to when involved in an on duty shooting.

As for the cases you cited, well yes if it is OBVIOUS that there was foul play then that is different. No ****in **** genious.


OK dickhead. You already sound like a future "bad apple". I think cops should be required to get an umbrella policy which would pay for lawsuits filed against the cities which employ them. I'm tired of hearing about taxpayers having to foot the bill for some dickhead who seems to think he has the right to shoot first and ask question later.

Have you ever heard of shooting to immobilize? The majority of "attackers" will stop dead in their tracks once the first bullet hit them. What a concept.

[Jason in LA]

My son is 11. He skateboards, and hangs with his friends. In a few years he'll be out places on his own with his friends.

If a cop ever talked to my son like that I'd want to beat his punk ass. The only thing that would hold me back is the thought of going to jail for assault. But man to man, he would deserve an ass kicking.

I can totally understand him telling the kids not to skateboard, and even telling them in a stern way to get his point across. But that kid didn't deserve any of that abuse that the cop gave him. That cop has some issues and decided to take it out on the kid.

I am really bothered by that cop's behavior, and I hope his department disciplined him for that.

[Florida_Bronco]

OK dickhead. You already sound like a future "bad apple". I think cops should be required to get an umbrella policy which would pay for lawsuits filed against the cities which employ them. I'm tired of hearing about taxpayers having to foot the bill for some dickhead who seems to think he has the right to shoot first and ask question later.

You're not answering the question dumbass. What should the department's policy be on handling an on duty shooting? What should the standard operating procedure be.

Have you ever heard of shooting to immobilize? The majority of "attackers" will stop dead in their tracks once the first bullet hit them. What a concept.

Weren't you in the service? I'd expect someone who served this country to be smarter than to spew that crap. Since it doesn't like that is the case for you, let me give you a lesson.

Cops are taught to shoot center mass, no exceptions. This lessons the chance of a miss and places the shot in the vicinity of a number of vital organs. They call it "shooting to stop" and what is the surest way to stop an attacker? Put a shot right into the vital organs.

It may sound cold hearted, but in a situation when you need to shoot someone you need to take the shot with the highest probability of stopping the attack, and that shot is likely to kill the person. The sad fact of the matter is you ensure the safety of the law abiding citzens and yourself first in a shooting, and whether the attacker dies from that shot is, to put it bluntly, their problem.

Maybe you're not aware of how hard it is to get a pinpoint shot in a high tension situation, or maybe you don't realize just how resilent (sp?) a person can be when the adrenaline is pumping.

All that shoot em in the leg or shoulder stuff just does not work. And ya know what? If a cop took a shot at some guys limbs, missed, and put a bullet in an 8 year old girl down the street...you'd be the first one here throwing a bitch fit about it.

Might want to think about that.

[alkemical]

Crooked cops, and punk cops are what lead to people not trusting cops. Unfortunately good cops end up dead more times than not, due to the ****ty cops.

[TailgateNut]

You're not answering the question dumbass. What should the department's policy be on handling an on duty shooting? What should the standard operating procedure be.



Weren't you in the service? I'd expect someone who served this country to be smarter than to spew that crap. Since it doesn't like that is the case for you, let me give you a lesson.

Cops are taught to shoot center mass, no exceptions. This lessons the chance of a miss and places the shot in the vicinity of a number of vital organs. They call it "shooting to stop" and what is the surest way to stop an attacker? Put a shot right into the vital organs.

It may sound cold hearted, but in a situation when you need to shoot someone you need to take the shot with the highest probability of stopping the attack, and that shot is likely to kill the person. The sad fact of the matter is you ensure the safety of the law abiding citzens and yourself first in a shooting, and whether the attacker dies from that shot is, to put it bluntly, their problem.

Maybe you're not aware of how hard it is to get a pinpoint shot in a high tension situation, or maybe you don't realize just how resilent (sp?) a person can be when the adrenaline is pumping.

All that shoot em in the leg or shoulder stuff just does not work. And ya know what? If a cop took a shot at some guys limbs, missed, and put a bullet in an 8 year old girl down the street...you'd be the first one here throwing a b**** fit about it.

Might want to think about that.


I already stated one change which should be implemented (insurance coverage for lawsuits).



Immediately after a shooting the cop gives up his weapon and is assigned to a desk job and an INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR handles the case. Not a couple of cronies from the same force/ department.

If found guilty of any rules infractions, remove the officer from the force, have him pay back any salary received during the investigation period, and charge as allowed by law. No special treatment. A murder is a murder. Too many cops get away with murder.

One more little comment which will get your panties all bunched up. I do not agree with Cops doing off duty security work. If they want to be security guards, then do so. They should also not be offered the protection of the uniform when off duty.

To many renegades in todays police force.


One more thing in closing. To compare a soldiers task to that of a police office if ****ing ridiculous. Speaking of dumbasses!

[BMF Bronco]

You're not answering the question dumbass. What should the department's policy be on handling an on duty shooting? What should the standard operating procedure be.



Weren't you in the service? I'd expect someone who served this country to be smarter than to spew that crap. Since it doesn't like that is the case for you, let me give you a lesson.

Cops are taught to shoot center mass, no exceptions. This lessons the chance of a miss and places the shot in the vicinity of a number of vital organs. They call it "shooting to stop" and what is the surest way to stop an attacker? Put a shot right into the vital organs.

It may sound cold hearted, but in a situation when you need to shoot someone you need to take the shot with the highest probability of stopping the attack, and that shot is likely to kill the person. The sad fact of the matter is you ensure the safety of the law abiding citzens and yourself first in a shooting, and whether the attacker dies from that shot is, to put it bluntly, their problem.

Maybe you're not aware of how hard it is to get a pinpoint shot in a high tension situation, or maybe you don't realize just how resilent (sp?) a person can be when the adrenaline is pumping.

All that shoot em in the leg or shoulder stuff just does not work. And ya know what? If a cop took a shot at some guys limbs, missed, and put a bullet in an 8 year old girl down the street...you'd be the first one here throwing a b**** fit about it.

Might want to think about that.

Okay, I was in the military, and moreover, I was a cop in the military. Throughout every CATM (combat arms training and maintenance) course that we went through prior to qualifying or ANY weapons training we were told to yes, aim center mass, however, during any and all briefings you are told to "shoot to disable rather than kill." Mind you, this in our day to day duties. I was fortunate enough to never have gone into combat, which is a different set of circumstances all in itself.

[Spider]

You know what you're problem is Andy? You're putting the p*ssy on a pedestal.

do you work hard at being this stupid or does it come naturally ?

[TailgateNut]

Okay, I was in the military, and moreover, I was a cop in the military. Throughout every CATM (combat arms training and maintenance) course that we went through prior to qualifying or ANY weapons training we were told to yes, aim center mass, however, during any and all briefings you are told to "shoot to disable rather than kill." Mind you, this in our day to day duties. I was fortunate enough to never have gone into combat, which is a different set of circumstances all in itself.

Thanks "DUDE". Don't shoot me!^5

I think the major issue with the civilian police force is 1. lack of training, 2. lack of psychological evaluation prior to employment, 3. lowered hiring standards. 4 and last but not least "little wiener issues".

[Florida_Bronco]

I already stated one change which should be implemented (insurance coverage for lawsuits).

Immediately after a shooting the cop gives up his weapon and is assigned to a desk job and an INDEPENDENT INVESTIGATOR handles the case. Not a couple of cronies from the same force/ department.

If found guilty of any rules infractions, remove the officer from the force, have him pay back any salary received during the investigation period, and charge as allowed by law. No special treatment. A murder is a murder. Too many cops get away with murder.

That's how it is now, as I explained earlier. You said this was "BS" but then you suggest almost the exact same policy thats already in place?

Hello?? ???


One more little comment which will get your panties all bunched up. I do not agree with Cops doing off duty security work. If they want to be security guards, then do so. They should also not be offered the protection of the uniform when off duty.

To many renegades in todays police force.

The problem with that is that security guards have virtually no authority. If someone doesn't comply with their commands they call the police. There are times when that is not possible, especially in events where you have large crowds. If something goes down, you need someone there with the authority to do something NOW.

Oh and if you want to play the offend game, I got one for you. Down here the Sheriffs Office does all kind of off duty work, including stuff as simple as directing traffic after church services to providing security at high school football games.

They also get overtime for it. Can you imagine what overtime is like for a job that pays $40k - $60k a year? Top THAT! :thumbsup:

One more thing in closing. To compare a soldiers task to that of a police office if ****ing ridiculous. Speaking of dumbasses!

Both jobs carry the possibility of having to shoot and kill another human being.

[TailgateNut]

That's how it is now, as I explained earlier. You said this was "BS" but then you suggest almost the exact same policy thats already in place?

Hello?? ???




The problem with that is that security guards have virtually no authority. If someone doesn't comply with their commands they call the police. There are times when that is not possible, especially in events where you have large crowds. If something goes down, you need someone there with the authority to do something NOW.

Oh and if you want to play the offend game, I got one for you. Down here the Sheriffs Office does all kind of off duty work, including stuff as simple as directing traffic after church services to providing security at high school football games.

They also get overtime for it. Can you imagine what overtime is like for a job that pays $40k - $60k a year? Top THAT! :thumbsup:



Both jobs carry the possibility of having to shoot and kill another human being.



More BS from a BSer.

1. most investigations are handled by IA and if the officer is found guilty of wrongdoing the "police force security protection blanket" saves him from the legalities that Joe Blow would face if he KILLED/ MURDERED someone.
2. Your comment re: security guards are exactly why I said they should become security guards. One or the other, not both at the same time.
3. Top that??? :rofl: ****ing chump change! My employees make that kind of scratch.
4. cops and soldiers are not the same.

[alkemical]

Both jobs carry the possibility of having to shoot and kill another human being.

Uhh, sorta - except the military more than likely has a job TO KILL someone, not just the possibility.

[Florida_Bronco]

Okay, I was in the military, and moreover, I was a cop in the military. Throughout every CATM (combat arms training and maintenance) course that we went through prior to qualifying or ANY weapons training we were told to yes, aim center mass, however, during any and all briefings you are told to "shoot to disable rather than kill." Mind you, this in our day to day duties. I was fortunate enough to never have gone into combat, which is a different set of circumstances all in itself.

That's right. Shoot to disable/shoot to stop one in the same.

Like I said, best way to do it is to shoot center mass.

Why shoot center mass? Best chance of hitting target especially vital organ.

What's the surest way to stop/disable someone? Kill them. Exactly why you shoot center mass.

It's been that way since the beginning of police and military forces.

[crowebomber]

Well for those of you saying the cop should be able to push around a smart ass 14 year old kid, I hope you're not cops, or people who have or work with kids. That being said, the city of Baltimore agrees with the majority of the posters here and have started the investigation / disciplinary action agains this a-hole.


The Baltimore Police Department suspended a police officer after a video surfaced on the Internet showing the officer berating two kids for skateboarding, putting one of them in a headlock and pushing the boy on the concrete.
The video shows Officer Salvatore Rivieri approach the kids at the Inner Harbor of Baltimore, the area where they apparently were skateboarding. The kids tell Rivieri they didn't know they couldn't skateboard there.
"You back-talk me, I'm not your father," Rivieri says. "You hear me? I'm not your father. You give that attitude to your father. You give it to me, I'll smack you upside the head. Shut your mouth, I'm talking."
Click here to watch the YouTube video. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLYzho6Af_o)
Rivieri was suspended until an internal investigation is complete, Sterling Clifford, a spokesman for the Baltimore Police Department, told FOX News.
“Obviously there is behavior there that raised concerns,” Clifford said. “It’s not behavior that’s acceptable and encouraged within the police department.
In the video, after Rivieri pushes the kid on the ground, he takes his skateboard and puts it in his patrol vehicle.
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When he returns, he points his finger in the kid's face.
"Obviously your parents don't put a foot in your butt quite enough because you don't understand the meaning of respect," Rivieri says. "First of all, you better learn how to speak. I'm not 'man,' I'm not 'dude.' I am Officer Rivieri. The sooner you learn that, the longer you're going to live in this world. Because you go around doing this kind of stuff, somebody's going to kill you."
The kid repeatedly tells Rivieri that he "didn't do anything," saying he wants to call his mom.
Phone calls seeking comment from the police union were not immediately returned.
The video, from last July, surfaced on the Internet recently. Clifford said a member of the media e-mailed the clip to the police department late Sunday.
Rivieri is confined to administrative work on his suspension with pay.
Baltimore Mayor Sheila Dixon said she was disappointed after watching the video, Clifford said.
“We’ve invested a lot of time and effort and energy trying to build a stronger relationship between the citizens of Baltimore and the police department,” Clifford said. “An incident like this obviously has the potential to undo this work.”
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[TailgateNut]

That's right. Shoot to disable/shoot to stop one in the same.

Like I said, best way to do it is to shoot center mass.

Why shoot center mass? Best chance of hitting target especially vital organ.

What's the surest way to stop/disable someone? Kill them. Exactly why you shoot center mass.

It's been that way since the beginning of police and military forces.


On the Vehicle: "To serve and Protect".
Driving the vehicle; "Shoot to Kill".:spit:

[Florida_Bronco]

More BS from a BSer.

1. most investigations are handled by IA and if the officer is found guilty of wrongdoing the "police force security protection blanket" saves him from the legalities that Joe Blow would face if he KILLED/ MURDERED someone.

Again, it's always been that way. Internal Affairs is always the first step in the investigation involving an officer involved shooting. That's what they are there for, and I don't think many will question how quickly IA will go after a fellow cop for wrong doing.

And I don't know how things are where you're located, but everywhere I'm familar with any officer formally charged secures their own defense. Very few use the PBA reps for that kind of thing.

2. Your comment re: security guards are exactly why I said they should become security guards. One or the other, not both at the same time.

Did you ignore the comment I said about needing someone with the authority available immediately? Let's say you have a concert and things get out of hand...would you rather have securities guards there with no authority to enforce the laws/rules or cops who can? ??? Seems like simple logic to me.

3. Top that??? :rofl: ****ing chump change! My employees make that kind of scratch. Betcha they didn't walk into that job after spending 5 months at the academy for less than $6,000 in total cost. ;D

4. cops and soldiers are not the same.
No ****, Sherlock. The fact still stands though, both jobs entail the possibility of killing someone.

[-Slap-]

The people with big time cop issues here might want to answer a couple questions:

1 - Do you believe we need someone to enforce laws within our society?

2 - If so, how would you attract what you consider to be qualified applicants for these positions?

Keep in mind, major American cities are only able to budget a certain amount of money to fund this squad of super cops, so your ideas about higher salaries, better training, expanded review boards and everything else have to be paid for somehow. Please explain how you're going to work around those budget restrictions and achieve this utopian outcome.

[TailgateNut]

The people with big time cop issues here might want to answer a couple questions:

1 - Do you believe we need someone to enforce laws within our society?

2 - If so, how would you attract what you consider to be qualified applicants for these positions?

Keep in mind, major American cities are only able to budget a certain amount of money to fund this squad of super cops, so your ideas about higher salaries, better training, expanded review boards and everything else have to be paid for somehow. Please explain how you're going to work around those budget restrictions and achieve this utopian outcome.


I'd be ok with the ol' wild wild west. :wiggle:


Slap that on your "samich".

[Florida_Bronco]

Thanks "DUDE". Don't shoot me!^5

I think the major issue with the civilian police force is 1. lack of training, 2. lack of psychological evaluation prior to employment, 3. lowered hiring standards. 4 and last but not least "little wiener issues".

Have you actually done any research into this, or did you just post the thought that came into your head.

The FACT of the matter is, law enforcement is becoming increasingly difficult to get into. More and more departments are requiring college, the psychological testing more stringent including a battery of tests including interviews with psychologists.

[alkemical]

Well slap, i have a different answer: But in order to keep the meatheads out of being police, non-meatheads need to become cops.

*Note, not all cops are meatheads.

[Florida_Bronco]

On the Vehicle: "To serve and Protect".
Driving the vehicle; "Shoot to Kill".:spit:

I don't quite see how these are mutually exclusive. A cop who shoots a robber (for example) is serving and protecting the law abiding public...aren't they?

[TailgateNut]

Again, it's always been that way. Internal Affairs is always the first step in the investigation involving an officer involved shooting. That's what they are there for, and I don't think many will question how quickly IA will go after a fellow cop for wrong doing.

And I don't know how things are where you're located, but everywhere I'm familar with any officer formally charged secures their own defense. Very few use the PBA reps for that kind of thing.



Did you ignore the comment I said about needing someone with the authority available immediately? Let's say you have a concert and things get out of hand...would you rather have securities guards there with no authority to enforce the laws/rules or cops who can? ??? Seems like simple logic to me.

Betcha they didn't walk into that job after spending 5 months at the academy for less than $6,000 in total cost. ;D


No ****, Sherlock. The fact still stands though, both jobs entail the possibility of killing someone.


Regarding Internal Affairs. The name in itself exposes the possibility of corruption. (see Bush policies of investigations).Laughable.

Re: the wonderful salaryROFL! My guys don't get shot at, don't have to work with a bunch of people who think their **** doesn't stink, and they don't piss off people on a daily basis with their petty BS.

PS: Woooptydoo, ya got yursulf a job for under $6000 worth of edumacation.

[-Slap-]

Well slap, i have a different answer: But in order to keep the meatheads out of being police, non-meatheads need to become cops.

*Note, not all cops are meatheads.

How do you attract these people?

Apprehending and arresting dangerous, violent people sometimes requires individuals who are not necessarily known primarily for their sensitive natures. I don't want Mr Rogers on the SWAT team in a hostage situation. I want some calm eyed killer who won't hesitate to put a bullet in someone's head as soon as a clear shot opens up.

[OABB]

While I agree respect needs to be earned, I also believe it should be shown to "peace" officers.

There are definitely bad cops out there. Definitely. There is also a growing dissrespect for authority, and order. Eventually things will get bad enough where people decide they've had enough, or the problems will grow because the, "it's not happening to me," mentality will prevail. I fear the latter.

where the heck were you the other day?

[Spider]

The people with big time cop issues here might want to answer a couple questions:

1 - Do you believe we need someone to enforce laws within our society? we need enforcement , but we dont need thugs enforcing the laws

2 - If so, how would you attract what you consider to be qualified applicants for these positions? Take a look at New Mexico , they do it right , I have had a few encounters with them , fair , honest , respectfull, but not push overs .....

Keep in mind, major American cities are only able to budget a certain amount of money to fund this squad of super cops, so your ideas about higher salaries, better training, expanded review boards and everything else have to be paid for somehow. Please explain how you're going to work around those budget restrictions and achieve this utopian outcome.
see the answer to question #2

[Florida_Bronco]

Regarding Internal Affairs. The name in itself exposes the possibility of corruption. (see Bush policies of investigations).Laughable.

How can you bring Bush into this? For God's sake man, get real here. Bush has nothing to do with this.

[Florida_Bronco]

How do you attract these people?

Apprehending and arresting dangerous, violent people sometimes requires individuals who are not necessarily known primarily for their sensitive natures. I don't want Mr Rogers on the SWAT team in a hostage situation. I want some calm eyed killer who won't hesitate to put a bullet in someone's head as soon as a clear shot opens up.

Again, another well thought reasonable post.

[TailgateNut]

Have you actually done any research into this, or did you just post the thought that came into your head.

The FACT of the matter is, law enforcement is becoming increasingly difficult to get into. More and more departments are requiring college, the psychological testing more stringent including a battery of tests including interviews with psychologists.

Contractition central.

Didn't you just post that:"Betcha they didn't walk into that job after spending 5 months at the academy for less than $6,000 in total cost"? Is that an online college degree?

****. Some of my classes were $1000 a wack, not counting books, and those were accelarated 5 week courses with one night a week in class.

Maybe thats why a lot of officers are so ****ing ignorant.

My house was buglarized a couple of years ago and the morons they sent out to investigate could'nt find their way out of a room with one door. ****ing dumbasses. I did more for the actual investigation than the whole team of idiots, and in fact pointed them to the buglar.

****ing LOOSERS, the whole lot of them.