Baltimore Cop vs. 14yr old

[TailgateNut]

How can you bring Bush into this? For God's sake man, get real here. Bush has nothing to do with this.


I only used him to show how corrupt and flawed the system is when using "insiders" to investigate fellow workers.

[TailgateNut]

Maybe it's just me, but each and every encounter I've had with Police officers has shown me that there is a reason animals eat their young!

[Beantown Bronco]

do you work hard at being this stupid or does it come naturally ?

Spider, what's the deal? It's a quote from 40 Year Old Virgin....

[-Slap-]

we need enforcement , but we dont need thugs enforcing the laws

Take a look at New Mexico , they do it right , I have had a few encounters with them , fair , honest , respectfull, but not push overs .....


see the answer to question #2

That's good. Maybe they should become a national model. The problem is people expect police to maintain a higher standard because of the authority they wield. Common sense tells us that the competency level in most professions resembles a bell curve, some excellent people, some terrible people and the majority fall somewhere in the middle. It's very unrealistic to expect law enforcement to reflect anything different than ordinary society.

It was mentioned that the police tend to look out for each other in situations involving complaints of excessive force. Again, this is refective of society. How come all these clean athletes didn't blow the whistle on the dirty ones? Do you think highly of the person in your office who runs to management to tattle on his co-workers? Of course not. Now imagine a job environment where you may depend on your co-workers to save your life some day.

[CBF1]

I am the only one that thinks all Police should carry Tazer's ???

[TailgateNut]

I am the only one that thinks all Police should carry Tazer's ???



Are you LOST?;D Don't see ya here too often.

[CBF1]

I have no idea where I am :)

[Spider]

Spider, what's the deal? It's a quote from 40 Year Old Virgin....

40 year old what ?

[Spider]

Spider, what's the deal? It's a quote from 40 Year Old Virgin....

oh **** , I just found out thats a movie ........ My bad , I thought you were accusing me of giving criminals a free ride ...... my bad I apologize

[Jason in LA]

Kids today have no understanding of the world. In my day this would have never gone down like that......we would have made that fat f()(k run a couple of pounds off chasing us down. One look at the small family he's housing under his midsection clearly indicated this was a flight situation. Throw into the mix that he's been approriated the Glorified Golf Cart of Criminal Justice by his peers tells you exactly how much respect he deserves, he doesn't get it from his superiors or colleagues he sure as shooting wouldn't have gotten it from me. This is the problem with America, kids are too out of shape to outrun fata$$ cops like this clown. His moral indignation over skateboarding was more than a little over the line. He went straight to escalation and imposition of power. Those kids should find out where he lives and poop on his car.


Man that was funny. Made me think back to my days of out running the cops. We were just being kids, ditching school (I didn't do it too much). Cops spotted us in a parking lot. We were hiding behind cars, sneaking out of the lot. If the cops had caught us, they would have had every right to call our parents. That's doing their job. But physical and verbal assault, like in this case, would have been wrong.

A couple years back I was riding the metro train, and three high school kids snuck on. A metro cop busted them, and had them all exit the train, and they were sitting on the platform. One of the kids was like screw it, so he gets up and jumps over the rail, onto the street below. I couldn't believe I was watching this kid go airborne on these cops. Kid lands on the street below, jobs across the street and he was gone. I was looking at the other two kids thinking they were dumbasses. They should have followed the first kid's lead, because the cops just watched him take off and they weren't about to chase after him.

[Florida_Bronco]

Contractition central.

Didn't you just post that:"Betcha they didn't walk into that job after spending 5 months at the academy for less than $6,000 in total cost"? Is that an online college degree?
No, thats the cost of the local police academy.

[Spider]

That's good. Maybe they should become a national model. The problem is people expect police to maintain a higher standard because of the authority they wield. Common sense tells us that the competency level in most professions resembles a bell curve, some excellent people, some terrible people and the majority fall somewhere in the middle. It's very unrealistic to expect law enforcement to reflect anything different than ordinary society.

It was mentioned that the police tend to look out for each other in situations involving complaints of excessive force. Again, this is refective of society. How come all these clean athletes didn't blow the whistle on the dirty ones? Do you think highly of the person in your office who runs to management to tattle on his co-workers? Of course not. Now imagine a job environment where you may depend on your co-workers to save your life some day.

I deal alot with police , I have to , be it a port of entry or getting pulled over , about 50% of my time on the road is dealing with the police , Here is the problem , alot of them assume you are guilty right off the bat , and start treating you as a suspect , no respect nadda ..... I am not an evil person , I am a guy trying to earn a living , to feed his family , the best way he can ..and guess what , there are millions out there like me doing the same thing .... We dont need ot be bullied , disrespected ..... Some of them pull you over , and they show you respect and dont start off with an attitude , these are the ones I get along with .....
and to treat people like humans until they give you a reason not to is not alot to ask ......

[Jason in LA]

Outrunning cops is the same as outrunning bears, if you're the slow fat kid you'll get eaten every time so you better be crafty. I may not have been the fastest but I could get over a fence and up a tree quicker than a ring tailed lemur. More than once I planted my arse on a rooftop as my hideout of choice.

LOL Another great one. I bet that fat cop has never been able to catch any kid. So he finally gets one and he lets years of anger out.

Maybe if that cop would lay off the donuts he'd get a real assignment and wouldn't have to yell at a kid to respect his badge.

[Beantown Bronco]

oh **** , I just found out thats a movie ........ My bad , I thought you were accusing me of giving criminals a free ride ...... my bad I apologize

Why am I not surprised that you of all people never heard of a movie about a 40 year old virgin? :)

[Spider]

Why am I not surprised that you of all people never heard of a movie about a 40 year old virgin? :)

:rofl: last movie I got excited to see was Austin Powers .. lesson learned

[Jason in LA]

yes I did. that is the part where i clapped. and no spider, i am not kidding here. Assault? hardly. he b**** slapped the kid.

to me, assualt is a beating ala Rodney King. this is a harmless slap. the kid has no concussion or scars, he got pimped and lost his skateboard.

this world has gone mad!

It is not the cop's place to do that to somebody else's child. The only people that can discipline my child in the fashion that the cop did that kid is me, his mother, and his grandparents. Nobody else, especially some cop. If there is a problem I should be called so I can discipline him...and I will. I'm all for any adult calling me and telling me that my child is out of line so that I can discipline him.

If a cop had disciplined my child in that fashion I'd have a major problem with that cop. It's not his place to do that. He should have allowed the child to call his mother, and talked to her about it.

One thing that I've told my son is that if he has a run in with a cop, to call me immediately so that I can handle the problem.

[Jason in LA]

I still think somebody should poop on the cops car.

LOL Man, you're busting three pointers in this thread.

[alkemical]

How do you attract these people?

Apprehending and arresting dangerous, violent people sometimes requires individuals who are not necessarily known primarily for their sensitive natures. I don't want Mr Rogers on the SWAT team in a hostage situation. I want some calm eyed killer who won't hesitate to put a bullet in someone's head as soon as a clear shot opens up.

Well, it is a bit of a complex situation. We have the militarization of our police dept's, we have people attracted to this job out of lust for power and control. Other than enforcing maybe a zero tolerance policy, as well as other penalties to help curtail abuses would help.

It's not so much about "being sensitive" as it is about being more honest. I guess i don't like rapists, murders and drug dealers using a badge.

[Jason in LA]

a fat man choking a 14 year old is something I wouldn't stand for. a cop b**** slapping a punk kid doesn't bother me so much.

you are making my point for me. I respect you and therefore i won't threaten your kids in a my response. however, you, in defense of your kids have threatened to beat me up.

you see you actually agree with me. If I were to geet into it with you here about beating up your kids, you would have every right to retaliate.

but please don't confuse what happened here. This cop might have lost his temper, but he is not merely a fat man choking an innocent child.


B**** slapping a kid is assault. Just because a guy has a badge doesn't give him the right to do that. You can't put your hands on anybody like that, even if you are a cop.

[alkemical]

That's good. Maybe they should become a national model. The problem is people expect police to maintain a higher standard because of the authority they wield. Common sense tells us that the competency level in most professions resembles a bell curve, some excellent people, some terrible people and the majority fall somewhere in the middle. It's very unrealistic to expect law enforcement to reflect anything different than ordinary society.

It was mentioned that the police tend to look out for each other in situations involving complaints of excessive force. Again, this is refective of society. How come all these clean athletes didn't blow the whistle on the dirty ones? Do you think highly of the person in your office who runs to management to tattle on his co-workers? Of course not. Now imagine a job environment where you may depend on your co-workers to save your life some day.


WE SHOULD expect that, i mean they are SERVING us.

[-Slap-]

WE SHOULD expect that, i mean they are SERVING us.

Correct, but it's not realistic. I have worked closely with doctors and judges and you wouldn't believe how corrupt and unethical many of them are in their professional and personal lives. These individuals are, on the average, more highly educated and highly paid than law enforcement officials, they also hold positions of public trust, yet they are often terrible human beings. So, expect what you want, but you'll get what you get.

[TailgateNut]

No, thats the cost of the local police academy.

I understood that. What I was pointing out is $6000 doesn't pay for much these days. Very limited amount of training before they give them a gun and a license to kill people. SCARY.

[Florida_Bronco]

I understood that. What I was pointing out is $6000 doesn't pay for much these days. Very limited amount of training before they give them a gun and a license to kill people. SCARY.

Not really. 5 months in the academy and then 4 months field training...almost a year.

[Bronx33]

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/8364/fthepolicewf8.jpg

[alkemical]

Correct, but it's not realistic. I have worked closely with doctors and judges and you wouldn't believe how corrupt and unethical many of them are in their professional and personal lives. These individuals are, on the average, more highly educated and highly paid than law enforcement officials, they also hold positions of public trust, yet they are often terrible human beings. So, expect what you want, but you'll get what you get.

Which is why, the illusion of civilisation is a joke, and most people just need to die.

[That One Guy]

There's a lot of problems I see in this thread, many of them starting at Florida Bronco.

1st, he argues time and time again how police is getting harder to get into yada yada but then says he's going to do it on $6000 bucks and 9 months. I can get a $6000 loan from the local credit union for a couple hundred bucks a month and I can almost hold a turd in for 9 months, that's not long at all. I've learned in the military that the harder it is to get into something, the more likely the weak will quit. If some punk is graduating high school and has no motivation to do much with his life... $6000 bucks and 9 months would be very appealing, there's problem 1.

2nd, FB seems to really like to stick to this whole "It's my job to shoot someone" theory and I can foresee that being bad, very bad. I've known a few cops in my time and as far as I know, none has ever even fired a shot in a real life situation. Folks who get caught up on that "I may have to use a gun" are the ones who, when things first turn sour, remember that. Those who know the gun is simply there to preserve life are the ones who will do just that. It sounds to me like this guy is seeing the authority of being able to use a gun as a perk and it shouldn't be... your above average people skills and training should be enough to dispel most situations and the weapon is there to protect you. The way this guy is acting is really scary if he's not just talking big and thumping his chest. I really hope he matures in those 9 months he's in training...

But as for shooting to wound/kill/stop, etc... I was always told that if you're in a situation where you need to pull a weapon on someone, you better be ready to kill them. If you're not willing to kill them over it, the situation doesn't need a weapon in the first place. If these cops are actually in a situation that merits a gun, there's no way in hell I'm thinking about anything other than stop that guy any way I know how. That being said, it doesn't always work because many of the coppers I've dealt with seem quick to assumptions, quick to accuse, quick to throw attitude, and are probably the same ones too quick to escalate the situation.

[Florida_Bronco]

There's a lot of problems I see in this thread, many of them starting at Florida Bronco.

1st, he argues time and time again how police is getting harder to get into yada yada but then says he's going to do it on $6000 bucks and 9 months. I can get a $6000 loan from the local credit union for a couple hundred bucks a month and I can almost hold a turd in for 9 months, that's not long at all. I've learned in the military that the harder it is to get into something, the more likely the weak will quit. If some punk is graduating high school and has no motivation to do much with his life... $6000 bucks and 9 months would be very appealing, there's problem 1.

It's not paying for it that's hard, it's the training itself. Even the community college police academies are like friggin boot camps. **** up out there and you'll spend the entire day doing PT. Then after that, you gotta go through the police departments to get a job, and thats a whole new kinda fun. Even the smallest departments spend a couple months going through all the psych testing, firearms qualifications, polygraph, physicals and what not.

Just to give you an example here, the local Sheriff's office will not hire anyone who has used tobacco in 6 months, and anyone currently employed must stop. That is how stringent they are starting to get.

2nd, FB seems to really like to stick to this whole "It's my job to shoot someone" theory and I can foresee that being bad, very bad. I've known a few cops in my time and as far as I know, none has ever even fired a shot in a real life situation. Folks who get caught up on that "I may have to use a gun" are the ones who, when things first turn sour, remember that. Those who know the gun is simply there to preserve life are the ones who will do just that. It sounds to me like this guy is seeing the authority of being able to use a gun as a perk and it shouldn't be... your above average people skills and training should be enough to dispel most situations and the weapon is there to protect you. The way this guy is acting is really scary if he's not just talking big and thumping his chest. I really hope he matures in those 9 months he's in training...

I don't see how discussing the realities of a shooting equals wanting to use that authority to shoot someone. As a police officer you have to understand that someday you may have to shoot another human being, that's simple fact. And while you're right that many cops, about 85%, never fire a shot in their careers, you still have to realize and understand that the possibilty does exist. Of all of my law enforcement friends that got me into this career, only 1 of them has shot his gun on duty and that was to take out a car's tires.

And for the record, I'm had owned or had access to firearms my entire life, have a concealed weapons permit and live in Floirda where they have the "stand your ground" law and only ONCE have I even been in a situation where the thought of using my weapon even crossed my mind.

If I wanted to kill people I would have followed through on going to the military. God knows they'd be all to happen to give a rifle and let me have my fun.

But as for shooting to wound/kill/stop, etc... I was always told that if you're in a situation where you need to pull a weapon on someone, you better be ready to kill them. If you're not willing to kill them over it, the situation doesn't need a weapon in the first place. If these cops are actually in a situation that merits a gun, there's no way in hell I'm thinking about anything other than stop that guy any way I know how.[/QUOTE]

I agree.

[Spider]

There's a lot of problems I see in this thread, many of them starting at Florida Bronco.

1st, he argues time and time again how police is getting harder to get into yada yada but then says he's going to do it on $6000 bucks and 9 months. I can get a $6000 loan from the local credit union for a couple hundred bucks a month and I can almost hold a turd in for 9 months, that's not long at all. .

you got a real good point here ....

[Punisher]

It's not paying for it that's hard, it's the

But as for shooting to wound/kill/stop, etc... I was always told that if you're in a situation where you need to pull a weapon on someone, you better be ready to kill them. If you're not willing to kill them over it, the situation doesn't need a weapon in the first place. If these cops are actually in a situation that merits a gun, there's no way in hell I'm thinking about anything other than stop that guy any way I know how.


Damn what kinda cop told you that you suppose to shoot them in the leg.See where im from the cops start everything i always get padded down for no reason,they call you names,Curse at you,they do anything to get someone locked up.

[That One Guy]

It's not paying for it that's hard, it's the training itself. Even the community college police academies are like friggin boot camps. **** up out there and you'll spend the entire day doing PT. Then after that, you gotta go through the police departments to get a job, and thats a whole new kinda fun. Even the smallest departments spend a couple months going through all the psych testing, firearms qualifications, polygraph, physicals and what not.

Just to give you an example here, the local Sheriff's office will not hire anyone who has used tobacco in 6 months, and anyone currently employed must stop. That is how stringent they are starting to get.



I don't see how discussing the realities of a shooting equals wanting to use that authority to shoot someone. As a police officer you have to understand that someday you may have to shoot another human being, that's simple fact. And while you're right that many cops, about 85%, never fire a shot in their careers, you still have to realize and understand that the possibilty does exist. Of all of my law enforcement friends that got me into this career, only 1 of them has shot his gun on duty and that was to take out a car's tires.

And for the record, I'm had owned or had access to firearms my entire life, have a concealed weapons permit and live in Floirda where they have the "stand your ground" law and only ONCE have I even been in a situation where the thought of using my weapon even crossed my mind.

If I wanted to kill people I would have followed through on going to the military. God knows they'd be all to happen to give a rifle and let me have my fun.

But as for shooting to wound/kill/stop, etc... I was always told that if you're in a situation where you need to pull a weapon on someone, you better be ready to kill them. If you're not willing to kill them over it, the situation doesn't need a weapon in the first place. If these cops are actually in a situation that merits a gun, there's no way in hell I'm thinking about anything other than stop that guy any way I know how.

I agree.[/QUOTE]


You can't sell me on training being hard, PT doesn't scare me. I learned in basic training that as long as your offense doesn't merit you being thrown out of the program, you're going to continue going forward. They may want to PT you all day long but they've got to either kick you out or make sure you meet those deadlines... ultimately, you're going to meet your deadlines and graduate whether you skate through it or are the biggest dirtbag around... just as long as you don't commit any offenses that merit your dismissal. You want to get hard, you take some military tactics... you take guys out running and every 5 miles, have someone new there to keep running them while the first leader heads home. Make these people think they'll run forever... only once you really test someone's mind and heart can you say it's hard. Physical endurance or punishment isn't hard or testing... I don't doubt it sucks at the cop camp but I'd bet any average person could set their mind to it and pass, same as the military. Unfortunately, I've seen what those military standards produce and would expect no better from the copper factory.

Tobacco use seems petty... I don't know how they can really figure that to be a crucial decider, that seems pretty lame to me.

If the force needs cops, they're going to get cops. If you're going to tell me that all tests and results are evaluated by the books, no corners ever get cut, and they truly seek the most qualified and responsible candidates... I've got a bridge to sell ya, you'll really like it. In the end, plenty of people are capable of giving interview questions and hold no moral qualms if they had to lie about one or two. They also may not in their own mind understand what's going to happen when they realize for the first time that they have a firearm on their him and the power to change people's lives in an instant.

True competency testing can only be done by those who see these people in their daily duties and how they respond. Unfortunately, once you get to that point noone wants to be "that guy" and rat someone out or ruin his career so once you're in, you're generally in. Once anyone realizes you probably weren't capable of the responsibilities inherent in what you've undertaken... you're part of the fraternity...

[That One Guy]

Damn what kinda cop told you that you suppose to shoot them in the leg.See where im from the cops start everything i always get padded down for no reason,they call you names,Curse at you,they do anything to get someone locked up.

Someone earlier mentioned the old "shoot to wound" thing and while it sounds great in theory and would be wonderful if it were always an option... it's just a lot to risk.

I'm not sure where you're from but I've never been patted down or frisked anywhere but the airport. I'm rather scared of cities though so maybe that's a normal thing... I don't know. Either way, sucks for you.

[-Slap-]

Just to give you an example here, the local Sheriff's office will not hire anyone who has used tobacco in 6 months, and anyone currently employed must stop. That is how stringent they are starting to get.

How stupid they're starting to get.

I don't smoke cigarettes, or use any kind of tobacco products. I never have and never will. I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke, either.

Disclaimer out of the way, what the ****?

Let's take two candidates for the Sherrif's Department. Brock Wisdom, built like an NFL defensive back, he has been interested in law enforcement his entire life. When he couldn't decide between that and psychology, he chose both as his double major in college. He spends his spare time volunteering as a coach at an inner city YMCA. A man of few vices, even abstaining from alcohol, Brock smokes a half a pack a day, He's tried to quit, but he just can't do it.

The other candidate is Spindley McClusterfuq. He was socially promoted from high school and has spent the last three years living at home and working part time at the mall. He begins to sense his parents threats about kicking him out of the house are getting serious, so he's receptive when they suggest he apply for the Sherriff's Department. Spindley meets the minimum requirements physically and mentally and he raises no glaring red flags on his psyche test. He doesn't smoke, but he drinks and sometimes he drinks a lot.

Who would be a better cop? Only one of them even has a shot at the job.

One in four American men smoke, one in five women, but we're going to make these jobs off limits to them?

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=44465

When did smokers magically transform into incompetent and untrustworthy members of society? If it's to spare money on insuring these people, they might want to examine the other risk factors inherent in that culture.

I understand you don't want officers responding to calls with butts hanging out of their mouths and that kind of behavior should not be tolerated, but it's ridiculous to regulate what they do on their breaks or monitor their personal lives.

[Florida_Bronco]

You can't sell me on training being hard, PT doesn't scare me. I learned in basic training that as long as your offense doesn't merit you being thrown out of the program, you're going to continue going forward. They may want to PT you all day long but they've got to either kick you out or make sure you meet those deadlines... ultimately, you're going to meet your deadlines and graduate whether you skate through it or are the biggest dirtbag around... just as long as you don't commit any offenses that merit your dismissal. You want to get hard, you take some military tactics... you take guys out running and every 5 miles, have someone new there to keep running them while the first leader heads home. Make these people think they'll run forever... only once you really test someone's mind and heart can you say it's hard. Physical endurance or punishment isn't hard or testing... I don't doubt it sucks at the cop camp but I'd bet any average person could set their mind to it and pass, same as the military. Unfortunately, I've seen what those military standards produce and would expect no better from the copper factory.

It's not just the physical part (although that is why many leave) If you fail any 3 tests in the academy...you're out.

Tobacco use seems petty... I don't know how they can really figure that to be a crucial decider, that seems pretty lame to me. Agreed, but still thats how they are doing things.

[Florida_Bronco]

How stupid they're starting to get.

I don't smoke cigarettes, or use any kind of tobacco products. I never have and never will. I don't like the smell of cigarette smoke, either.

Disclaimer out of the way, what the ****?

Let's take two candidates for the Sherrif's Department. Brock Wisdom, built like an NFL defensive back, he has been interested in law enforcement his entire life. When he couldn't decide between that and psychology, he chose both as his double major in college. He spends his spare time volunteering as a coach at an inner city YMCA. A man of few vices, even abstaining from alcohol, Brock smokes a half a pack a day, He's tried to quit, but he just can't do it.

The other candidate is Spindley McClusterfuq. He was socially promoted from high school and has spent the last three years living at home and working part time at the mall. He begins to sense his parents threats about kicking him out of the house are getting serious, so he's receptive when they suggest he apply for the Sherriff's Department. Spindley meets the minimum requirements physically and mentally and he raises no glaring red flags on his psyche test. He doesn't smoke, but he drinks and sometimes he drinks a lot.

Who would be a better cop? Only one of them even has a shot at the job.

One in four American men smoke, one in five women, but we're going to make these jobs off limits to them?

http://www.lungusa.org/site/pp.asp?c=dvLUK9O0E&b=44465

When did smokers magically transform into incompetent and untrustworthy members of society? If it's to spare money on insuring these people, they might want to examine the other risk factors inherent in that culture.

I understand you don't want officers responding to calls with butts hanging out of their mouths and that kind of behavior should not be tolerated, but it's ridiculous to regulate what they do on their breaks or monitor their personal lives.

I definetly agree Slap. A good friend of mine was darn near suspended because another cop (who hated him) saw him out at a bar using chewing tobacco. My friend has been a deputy for 9 years and has never once had a complaint filed against him and as far as I know, always gets good marks on his reviews.

Yet because he was using chewing tobacco off duty on his own time, he faced suspension. Lucky for him the guy reporting him had a terrible track record and my friend fought hard enough against the suspension they just told him not to do it again and be a good boy.

[Spider]

Dude

[Dagmar]

I gave up on this thread after about 10 posts, I am assuming by this post it has gotten pretty bloody ridiculous?

[Dagmar]

Ok, I just read Slap's post, damn, that's a fantastic post.

[NW Bolt Fan]

The other candidate is Spindley McClusterfuq. He was socially promoted from high school and has spent the last three years living at home and working part time at the mall. He begins to sense his parents threats about kicking him out of the house are getting serious, so he's receptive when they suggest he apply for the Sherriff's Department. Spindley meets the minimum requirements physically and mentally and he raises no glaring red flags on his psyche test. He doesn't smoke, but he drinks and sometimes he drinks a lot. He's not smart enough to make grades in HS, yet smart enough to "sense" his parents are about to kick him out AND passes the "minimum" psyche eval?

Seems like more than a bit of contradiciton here.

[NW Bolt Fan]

If some punk is graduating high school and has no motivation to do much with his life... $6000 bucks and 9 months would be very appealing, there's problem 1.
The guy has no motivation, but suddenly is willing to shell out 6k he doesn't have and 9 months of his life in "rigorous" training? Sorry, but this is a massive contradiction.

[-Slap-]

He's not smart enough to make grades in HS, yet smart enough to "sense" his parents are about to kick him out AND passes the "minimum" psyche eval?

Seems like more than a bit of contradiciton here.

Why? That type of behavior might simply indicate a young person who lacks ambition. Not the type of thing that would necessarily get you red flagged on a psyche test. Lots of people use just enough of their natural ability to get by doing the bare minimum.

On the other hand, I assumed people would kind of understand that post was simply designed to illustrate how unfair it was to disqualify people from employment simply because they use tobacco. I guess I could have exaggerated the contrasting job candidates even more cartoonishly, but I probably would have confused you even more.

[worm]

I am pretty sure Spindley posts here at the Mane.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Why? That type of behavior might simply indicate a young person who lacks ambition. Not the type of thing that would necessarily get you red flagged on a psyche test. Lots of people use just enough of their natural ability to get by doing the bare minimum.

On the other hand, I assumed people would kind of understand that post was simply designed to illustrate how unfair it was to disqualify people from employment simply because they use tobacco. I guess I could have exaggerated the contrasting job candidates even more cartoonishly, but I probably would have confused you even more.Since you seem to be confusing me, for being confused, I simply highlighted the paradox for ya.

People who "lack ambition" are not likely to sign up for a 9 mo. course AND pay for it... You can drop out of the Police academy, not so in the military. Big difference.

[-Slap-]

I haven't made any comparisons between law enforcement and the military.

Again, nothing paradoxical about. I knew a couple young men who seemed rather directionless that wound up in law enforcement. Both of them have been cops for almost 20 years. That's immaterial, though. Not all police dreamed of being police and not all of them are particularly smart or motivated people. Which reflects society as a whole, which is the point I keep coming back to on this thread.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Not all police dreamed of being police and not all of them are particularly smart or motivated people. Which reflects society as a whole, which is the point I keep coming back to on this thread.I do agree with this.

I've come back to this thread because I feel it represents the shift in attitude that's become problematic in our society. The thread illustrates how people are so quick to point the finger at law enforcement without any emphasis on accountablility.

"if it were my child, I'd beat that cop's ..." and so on. The fact that the kid was illegaly skating/disrespect etc. is overlooked. And the fact that only a portion of the interaction was recorded...

Just makes me sad that we're so quick to deny culpability.

I do a crappy job at work and home because I drink too much. I drink too much because my Dad took off when I was 3. My Dad took off because my Mom was such a nag... So really, it's my Mom and Dad's fault, or the booze's fault for all my problems becausee now I'm an alcoholic... And the worst part- society agrees!!! It's not him, it's the alcohol... Or, he's really been stressed.

[Bronx33]

I do agree with this.

I've come back to this thread because I feel it represents the shift in attitude that's become problematic in our society. The thread illustrates how people are so quick to point the finger at law enforcement without any emphasis on accountablility.

"if it were my child, I'd beat that cop's ..." and so on. The fact that the kid was illegaly skating/disrespect etc. is overlooked. And the fact that only a portion of the interaction was recorded...

Just makes me sad that we're so quick to deny culpability.

I do a crappy job at work and home because I drink too much. I drink too much because my Dad took off when I was 3. My Dad took off because my Mom was such a nag... So really, it's my Mom and Dad's fault, or the booze's fault for all my problems becausee now I'm an alcoholic... And the worst part- society agrees!!! It's not him, it's the alcohol... Or, he's really been stressed.


Hes the problem with the clip the kid says dude 700 times a day to everybody and everything (i say it) all the time, the minute hes says it too (i got stuck patrolling a mall in a go cart) it's disrespect? which was what turned this encounter in a bad direction. Iam sure mr go cart has ran into some douche bags in his day the that kid wasn't one of them and what has mr go cart accomplished? he made a young kid hate the police at a nice tender age. See thats where respect is earned (and not demanded) you will get friction every single time.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Hes the problem with the clip the kid says dude 700 times a day to everybody and everything (i say it) all the time, the minute hes says it too (i got stuck patrolling a mall in a go cart) it's disrespect? which was what turned this encounter in a bad direction. Iam sure mr go cart has ran into some douche bags in his day the that kid wasn't one of them and what has mr go cart accomplished? he made a young kid hate the police at a nice tender age. See thats where respect is earned (and not demanded) you will get friction every single time.I agree with you that the cop is at fault. But the kid was at fault too, and this gets overlooked. The dude, dude, dude part- I understand. It's habit. A habit he probably didn't realize that was such a make-up of his speech.* But without seeing the entirety of the exchange, it's impossible to know how long the officer had been talking to the 3 skaters.

Where I differ from some is that if it were my kid who got flung around a bit, my primary concern is still with my kid. If he wasn't physically hurt, then I'm concerned about his attitude, demeanor, and response to someone who should command his respect.

*The average person today has a vocabulary somewhere around 30k words. 50 years ago, the same average person commanded a vocabulary of greater than 50k words. Again, a product of technology actually making people dumber. Idiocracy, maybe more of a documentary than comedy.

[Spider]

Duuuuuude

[That One Guy]

Since you seem to be confusing me, for being confused, I simply highlighted the paradox for ya.

People who "lack ambition" are not likely to sign up for a 9 mo. course AND pay for it... You can drop out of the Police academy, not so in the military. Big difference.

I'm willing to put money on it that those police programs offer some sort of "go now, pay later" option. Taking a loan is not motivation, it's taking the easy way. Once you pay/borrow that money, unless you're complete garbage, you're going to finish it out if you're capable. If you're going through a police academy, you're probably basing an entire career change on your success. You are vested and you can't just quit and go home.

I left high school and had no real drive to go anywhere, didn't know what I wanted to do... so I went and joined the military. I would say cops are slightly more accomplished than the military because as far as I know, you're not guarranteed a job upon completion of the academy but I'd guess it's not very hard to do.

I'll give it to you that it's much better than simply hooking on at the local wal-mart for life but I don't see a job like that as any huge accomplishment... if you go and become a good cop, that's a great accomplishment. Merely sticking out police academy training though could just as easily be accomplished by the weak mind just as well as it could be by the future heros of America's law enforcement.

[That One Guy]

I do agree with this.

I've come back to this thread because I feel it represents the shift in attitude that's become problematic in our society. The thread illustrates how people are so quick to point the finger at law enforcement without any emphasis on accountablility.

"if it were my child, I'd beat that cop's ..." and so on. The fact that the kid was illegaly skating/disrespect etc. is overlooked. And the fact that only a portion of the interaction was recorded...

Just makes me sad that we're so quick to deny culpability.

I do a crappy job at work and home because I drink too much. I drink too much because my Dad took off when I was 3. My Dad took off because my Mom was such a nag... So really, it's my Mom and Dad's fault, or the booze's fault for all my problems becausee now I'm an alcoholic... And the worst part- society agrees!!! It's not him, it's the alcohol... Or, he's really been stressed.

The simple fact is that people today will not accept someone else handling their kids that way, plain and simple. I don't care if the kids were grinding along the Lincoln memorial and using bits of the Declaration of Independence as wax... you don't handle another person's kids like that unless there's a threat. As of this posting, noone's ever died from the word dude.

[NW Bolt Fan]

The simple fact is that people today will not accept someone else handling their kids that way, plain and simple. I don't care if the kids were grinding along the Lincoln memorial and using bits of the Declaration of Independence as wax... you don't handle another person's kids like that unless there's a threat. As of this posting, noone's ever died from the word dude.So my question to you is, Why? No one ever died from "getting a foot in the butt" either- for lack of a better phrase.

I kinda think we're raising a generation of puzzys. Lately been deemed the "Whah generation". People want to sue, or break out the gun- but nobody's willing to take an ass kicking. It used to be a rite of passage.

[TailgateNut]

I'm willing to take an asskicking. Just make the mistake of manhandling one of my kids, and I'll risk getting my ass kicked while I proceed to beat the bejeezus out of that person.

[That One Guy]

So my question to you is, Why? No one ever died from "getting a foot in the butt" either- for lack of a better phrase.

I kinda think we're raising a generation of puzzys. Lately been deemed the "Whah generation". People want to sue, or break out the gun- but nobody's willing to take an ass kicking. It used to be a rite of passage.

The Lawsuit Lottery has become a way of life, I don't know if we'll ever get away from that. That alone, for me, is reason enough to never touch anyone unless I can lawfully justify it anymore.

As for the "whah generation", there's just no longer the same rules for society. Everybody must be treated with the same respect whether they're 14 or 40, man or woman. You can't use the "teaching 'em a lesson" line anymore than you can "keep your wife in line"...

[Spider]

So my question to you is, Why? No one ever died from "getting a foot in the butt" either- for lack of a better phrase. LOL , it is amazing the dumb ass **** people will say when they are in over their head

[theAPAOps5]

I actually agree on the sissification of America. Much of which is a by product of our litigious society.

This disease has spread into everything. A high school teacher can't even discipline a student for fear little Johnny will cry fowl. Heck when I was in public middle school in Texas in the early 90s they still had corpral punishment. For those who don't know that meant you **** up you get swats from the principle. Can't even imagine what would happen if they had that today.

But it all starts at home and that is where America is failing now days. Kids get away with murder. Parents have seemed to stop punishing their kids and have increased making excuses for bad behavior. Parents will find fault with anybody BUT their kid, the one responsible. A lot of these kids have grown up to be Lawyers who make even more excuses and run ads on day time TV. So its a viscious cycle.

Maybe this cop flipped out after dealing with these sissified, self ritous pukes. I think he was well within good taste yelling at these kids to teach them respect. Because fact is most likely daddy and mommy are yuppies too busy with their lives to raise their child so they let the TV do it. But where he crossed the line is the choke hold and take down. That is used on someone who is considered a threat to others or the cop himself. But last I checked the word dude and sass is not a serious threat.

[Bronx33]

And the thread officially goes south.

[Spider]

I actually agree on the sissification of America. Much of which is a by product of our litigious society.

This disease has spread into everything. A high school teacher can't even discipline a student for fear little Johnny will cry fowl. Heck when I was in public middle school in Texas in the early 90s they still had corpral punishment. For those who don't know that meant you **** up you get swats from the principle. Can't even imagine what would happen if they had that today.

But it all starts at home and that is where America is failing now days. Kids get away with murder. Parents have seemed to stop punishing their kids and have increased making excuses for bad behavior. Parents will find fault with anybody BUT their kid, the one responsible. A lot of these kids have grown up to be Lawyers who make even more excuses and run ads on day time TV. So its a viscious cycle.

Maybe this cop flipped out after dealing with these sissified, self ritous pukes. I think he was well within good taste yelling at these kids to teach them respect. Because fact is most likely daddy and mommy are yuppies too busy with their lives to raise their child so they let the TV do it. But where he crossed the line is the choke hold and take down. That is used on someone who is considered a threat to others or the cop himself. But last I checked the word dude and sass is not a serious threat.

Pussification hey ...... I sure wish Law enforcement had that attitude when I was charged for attempted murder ....

[theAPAOps5]

Pussification hey ...... I sure wish Law enforcement had that attitude when I was charged for attempted murder ....

Now Spider there is ass kicking and then there is beat you within an inch ass kicking. I am not saying you are guilty of anything and heck the guy probably deserved it but there are lines. Now the sissification might come from the guy getting his ass kicked when starting something and then getting you charged. The very definition and problem with this sissification.

[Spider]

Now Spider there is ass kicking and then there is beat you within an inch ass kicking. I am not saying you are guilty of anything and heck the guy probably deserved it but there are lines. Now the sissification might come from the guy getting his ass kicked when starting something and then getting you charged. The very definition and problem with this sissification.

;D well it happened back in 1984 , so it is all over with , kept me out of the military though , and kept me out of Canada for awhile ... I wont go into detail about what went down , it takes 2 to tango .I made bail I ran , they caught me , I lawyered up fought it down to assualt with a deadly weapon with intent to do harm

[NW Bolt Fan]

I'm willing to take an asskicking. Just make the mistake of manhandling one of my kids, and I'll risk getting my ass kicked while I proceed to beat the bejeezus out of that person.Will your kids smart off to you? If they respect you, they'll probably have respect for others.

[Dagmar]

And the thread officially goes south.

This happened sometime ago.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Everybody must be treated with the same respect whether they're 14 or 40, man or woman. You can't use the "teaching 'em a lesson" line anymore than you can "keep your wife in line"...I have a problem with this. Not the "teach 'em a lesson" bit, but the necessity to treat everyone equal in every circumstance. Take a couple people's apptitude scores side by side and it ain't hard to tell they just ain't equal.

How long will it be before a kid sues his parents- for lousy parenting? Or has it already happened?

[That One Guy]

I have a problem with this. Not the "teach 'em a lesson" bit, but the necessity to treat everyone equal in every circumstance. Take a couple people's apptitude scores side by side and it ain't hard to tell they just ain't equal.

How long will it be before a kid sues his parents- for lousy parenting? Or has it already happened?

Hey man, err "dude", I'm right with ya. There's plenty of things people have fought for equality while there is no equality. We just have to turn a blind eye if they're too fat, stupid, senile, etc...

As for bad parenting, I personally believe that basically all a parent does is implement moral standards when the child is very young and fine tunes them as the child grows... once the kid is competent to make decisions, you can't actually convince them of anything if they knew what they did was wrong but did it anyways. You can merely show them the punishment and let them decide if it's worth the punishments to continue doing so. So I really think for the most part that if a kid is a worthless adult, it's as much his own doing as it is his parents.

It's a comparable arguement to one I had last year with good ol' footsteps where he was crying because school systems in the inner city were producing retards. The city/parents can only force a kid to go to school... if he chooses to pick boogers/socialize/skip school and not learn anything... that's his problem and he'll live with the results. You can only point children in the right direction and give them a good moral footing to succeed in life. What they turn out to be can only be slightly influenced, I think.

[NW Bolt Fan]

Hey man, err "dude", I'm right with ya. There's plenty of things people have fought for equality while there is no equality. We just have to turn a blind eye if they're too fat, stupid, senile, etc...

As for bad parenting, I personally believe that basically all a parent does is implement moral standards when the child is very young and fine tunes them as the child grows... once the kid is competent to make decisions, you can't actually convince them of anything if they knew what they did was wrong but did it anyways. You can merely show them the punishment and let them decide if it's worth the punishments to continue doing so. So I really think for the most part that if a kid is a worthless adult, it's as much his own doing as it is his parents.

It's a comparable arguement to one I had last year with good ol' footsteps where he was crying because school systems in the inner city were producing retards. The city/parents can only force a kid to go to school... if he chooses to pick boogers/socialize/skip school and not learn anything... that's his problem and he'll live with the results. You can only point children in the right direction and give them a good moral footing to succeed in life. What they turn out to be can only be slightly influenced, I think.Well I pretty much agree with this 100% The whole nature vs. nurture argument gets pretty interesting when you start looking at foster kids- who happen to live with biological progeny... Even siblings, despite similar upbringings can be so incredibly different in their choices.

I probably should take more of an optimist's outlook and consider all the great people/kids... even cops, we do have here. Cheers.

[That One Guy]

Well I pretty much agree with this 100% The whole nature vs. nurture argument gets pretty interesting when you start looking at foster kids- who happen to live with biological progeny... Even siblings, despite similar upbringings can be so incredibly different in their choices.

I probably should take more of an optimist's outlook and consider all the great people/kids... even cops, we do have here. Cheers.

You know, usually I refrain from complimenting an opposing fan or I have to go to church on Sunday morning and ask for forgiveness... but you might just be the most sensible person I've run into on here in a long time. You can be right in the midst of an all out discussion and have the... something, to say "yep, you're right"

Very rare... very rare indeed...

Your team still sucks though

EDIT: and as for Nature vs Nurture, I always say nurture. If you're gay, it's cause you played with barbies and spent too much time girl talking... not because you have a variant of your boner gene that causes you to fire in the wrong direction.

[TailgateNut]

Will your kids smart off to you? If they respect you, they'll probably have respect for others.


My children are tought to give respect to those who deserve respect, but also tought not to allow others to trample on the rights and disrespect them.
They are taught to open doors, be polite and give without expecting something in return.

[Bronx33]

My children are tought to give respect to those who deserve respect, but also tought not to allow others to trample on the rights and disrespect them.
They are taught to open doors, be polite and give without expecting something in return.


Exactly...

[OABB]

So my question to you is, Why? No one ever died from "getting a foot in the butt" either- for lack of a better phrase.

I kinda think we're raising a generation of puzzys. Lately been deemed the "Whah generation". People want to sue, or break out the gun- but nobody's willing to take an ass kicking. It used to be a rite of passage.

Excellent post. I am not sure why people don't see the negetive effects from a culture like this. What you get is a bunch of people unwilling to accept responsibility, a culture of strung out prescription med taking pusses.

It used to be that you, as a man, where responsible for your behavior. It used to be that a Man's "word" was more important to him than what designer made his jeans, or if he had a proper cell phone. It used to be that taking responsiblity for your actions was a sign of high character.

now, you can get an attorney, or say that you had a hard life and you can practically get away with murder. You can screw someone over at work and now "it's just business" it isn't "personal".

you see, If this were a rational culture where men weren't such pussies, that kid would get an ass whooping up and down the street from the cops to the local grocer.

We live in a post feminist america.

I have studied the upbring of men on other culture's and america is by far the most feminized culture of whiney beothches. certainly, this bitchfest about a cop slapping a disrespectful kid would make all other men, and everyother culture in the world's history laugh.

[Spider]

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now, you can get an attorney, or say that you had a hard life and you can practically get away with murder. You can screw someone over at work and now "it's just business" it isn't "personal".

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um no you cant , if you dont have money , then your past encounters with the police come into play , if you are fast with a fist , or have long history with altercations . you are screwed . first time offenders , they will cut you some slack

[OABB]

um no you cant , if you dont have money , then your past encounters with the police come into play , if you are fast with a fist , or have long history with altercations . you are screwed . first time offenders , they will cut you some slack

this is because of our pussified culture, today, a man that can handle himself will be compared to a wife-beater or child abuser, and probably have a "record" of assault. it has happened in this thread numerous times.

[Spider]

this is because of our pussified culture, today, a man that can handle himself will be compared to a wife-beater or child abuser, and probably have a "record" of assault. it has happened in this thread numerous times.

;D I dont worry too much about it ...I dont care what people compare me to, as long as they keep their mouth shut and dont say it to me .... a couple of years ago , Casper police dept , knocked on my door , had my son .....I asked what was going on , the cop looked right at me and said , your son hit another kid in the head with a stick , drew blood , the kid has to go for stitches ...... I asked my son what happened , he said Dad , he was hitting Ashley(my Oldest daughter) , he is in Junior High , so I did what I could ..... I told him right there .Good Job son , you did nothing wrong , no matter what this cop says . then me and the cop got in to it , to the point I had to go to court ....DA read the case threw it out before I even went into the court room ......

[That One Guy]

Excellent post. I am not sure why people don't see the negetive effects from a culture like this. What you get is a bunch of people unwilling to accept responsibility, a culture of strung out prescription med taking pusses.

It used to be that you, as a man, where responsible for your behavior. It used to be that a Man's "word" was more important to him than what designer made his jeans, or if he had a proper cell phone. It used to be that taking responsiblity for your actions was a sign of high character.

now, you can get an attorney, or say that you had a hard life and you can practically get away with murder. You can screw someone over at work and now "it's just business" it isn't "personal".

you see, If this were a rational culture where men weren't such pussies, that kid would get an ass whooping up and down the street from the cops to the local grocer.

We live in a post feminist america.

I have studied the upbring of men on other culture's and america is by far the most feminized culture of whiney beothches. certainly, this b****fest about a cop slapping a disrespectful kid would make all other men, and everyother culture in the world's history laugh.

Just as you and everyone else has said, this is the changing culture. You're not lazy and worthless because your parents were bad parents, you're not fat because you have a disease, and there's no such thing as ADHD... you just need to discipline yourself and pay attention.

As I said earlier in the thread, social change was supposed to be the enlightening of our country and this is now what we have to show for it, enjoy.

[theAPAOps5]

Just as you and everyone else has said, this is the changing culture. You're not lazy and worthless because your parents were bad parents, you're not fat because you have a disease, and there's no such thing as ADHD... you just need to discipline yourself and pay attention.

As I said earlier in the thread, social change was supposed to be the enlightening of our country and this is now what we have to show for it, enjoy.

No there is a such thing as ADHD. Its a real condition one of which I am afflicted with. The problem is our society has made it a cure all diagnosis. In reality way to many people are diagnosed with it and put on meds who don't need it. But to really be diagnosed with it you have to go through multiple channels of diagnosis. For me I did it to understand why I had trouble focusing on things for more than 5 minutes and why I was average at a bunch of stuff but a master of none. I didn't get tested so I had a built in excuse. I wanted to understand so that I could work with it.

There is some really good literature out there on ADD and ADHD. For those who really want to find out if they have it or a child might have it I suggest meeting with a doctor of psychology and have them suggest some reading. If you have an understanding of what it really is first it makes it much more easier to work with. But it is something that really effects people.

[That One Guy]

No there is a such thing as ADHD. Its a real condition one of which I am afflicted with. The problem is our society has made it a cure all diagnosis. In reality way to many people are diagnosed with it and put on meds who don't need it. But to really be diagnosed with it you have to go through multiple channels of diagnosis. For me I did it to understand why I had trouble focusing on things for more than 5 minutes and why I was average at a bunch of stuff but a master of none. I didn't get tested so I had a built in excuse. I wanted to understand so that I could work with it.

There is some really good literature out there on ADD and ADHD. For those who really want to find out if they have it or a child might have it I suggest meeting with a doctor of psychology and have them suggest some reading. If you have an understanding of what it really is first it makes it much more easier to work with. But it is something that really effects people.

You're right, it probably is there... but I'd be willing to bet that 95% of cases are merely misdiagnosed and people are just taking the easy way. I basically equate it to when TO claimed last year that he had a sleeping disorder because he fell asleep in meetings. Now I'm not a doctor by any means but I have to really force myself to concentrate sometimes, force myself to stay awake sometimes... yet I see ADHD oftentimes just associated with kids that misbehave and used as an excuse.

There's a Bill Engvall bit where he's asked if there was any history of ADD in his family and he said he had it for a minute when his dad was talking until it dad popped him upside the head and he was instantly cured.

Again, I don't doubt there's an actual ADHD out there but I still think it's generally along the same lines as the "I can't lose weight" fat people having a disease. It's more a mental disease than a physical one and can be overcome. Again, I'm not a doctor, just some random guy with an opinion and I don't buy most of it.

[theAPAOps5]

I totally agree its over diagnosed. Which makes it hard for those who have a legitiment case. Parents are quick to put their kids on ritalin or adderal but that should be a last ditch effort. Research shows that putting kids in a highly active and competitive situation like sports really helps them make a release and focus. Pretty interesting stuff out there.

[theAPAOps5]

Yep this guy has anger issues and is just another prick with a badge:

http://www.filecabi.net/video/82379-9ab9.html

[TailgateNut]

This guy has some serious issues. Can't wait to hear what his "defenders" have to say about this one.

[-Slap-]

Excellent post. I am not sure why people don't see the negetive effects from a culture like this. What you get is a bunch of people unwilling to accept responsibility, a culture of strung out prescription med taking pusses.

It used to be that you, as a man, where responsible for your behavior. It used to be that a Man's "word" was more important to him than what designer made his jeans, or if he had a proper cell phone. It used to be that taking responsiblity for your actions was a sign of high character.

now, you can get an attorney, or say that you had a hard life and you can practically get away with murder. You can screw someone over at work and now "it's just business" it isn't "personal".

you see, If this were a rational culture where men weren't such pussies, that kid would get an ass whooping up and down the street from the cops to the local grocer.

We live in a post feminist america.

I have studied the upbring of men on other culture's and america is by far the most feminized culture of whiney beothches. certainly, this b****fest about a cop slapping a disrespectful kid would make all other men, and everyother culture in the world's history laugh.

I like that orangeandblueblooded has become again emboldened by the appearance of some posters on this thread who sort of agree with him. He was retreating under heavy scorn, but he's back bringing the crazy and this thread is better for it.

Are men really obsessed with designer jeans? I seem to remember a short period of time in the early 80s when guys were really into their jeans, but they were widely mocked and I was unaware this cultural trend had resurfaced.

I guess living in post feminist America has fagatized me so severely, I'm completely oblivious to it's insidious encroachment on what used to be a nation of Men.

[OABB]

I like that orangeandblueblooded has become again emboldened by the appearance of some posters on this thread who sort of agree with him. He was retreating under heavy scorn, but he's back bringing the crazy and this thread is better for it.

Are men really obsessed with designer jeans? I seem to remember a short period of time in the early 80s when guys were really into their jeans, but they were widely mocked and I was unaware this cultural trend had resurfaced.

I guess living in post feminist America has fagatized me so severely, I'm completely oblivious to it's insidious encroachment on what used to be a nation of Men.

to my dearest slap,

If you think that I retreated because some people disagreed with me, and than returned to latch on to anyone that didn't, you couldn't be more wrong about me. I think anyone that has been involved in this thread will at least give me credit for speaking my mind and not being afraid to state my case.

I left because it was valentine's day and I was busy making a gift for my fiance. when I came back, i had noticed that there were some posters that still had a foothold in reality, and so I was happy to comment on their excellent posts.

and now, I just want this thread to die...

however, "they just keep pulling me back in"(in Al Pacino's voice, now)

Yes, Slap, you have been deeply fagatized. I still like you and think you are a great poster, so I am hoping we can still be friends even though we differ with our choice in "lifestyle". this difference shouldn't get in the way of great football, or non-football related conversations that we could have in the future.

here, I'll start.
what is your favorite hair gel? Bikini, or Brazilian? whose your favorite Queer eye guy? I like carson, because he is oh so sassy. vegetarian or Vegan?

and admit it a little, you think officer Riverery is kind of awesome in a butchy, top, alpha male kind of way, no?

[theAPAOps5]

Ooooh this is going to get very good.

[That One Guy]

LOL Quit hoggin' the popcorn Apa...

[TailgateNut]

i had noticed that there were some posters that still had a foothold in reality, and so I was happy to comment on their excellent posts.




:spit: you found one or two others who think it's ok for someone to manhandle/ beat "understanding/ respect" into another human being. Sorry "Charlie" you don't make the cut.

[Rohirrim]

You forget, back in the day, when "men were men" they were also usually drunk. If fact, in today's America we can't even conceive of how much people use to self-medicate with booze and slap various family members around. Ahhh, those were the days. You could just grab your wife or kids and punch them out at will. It was troglodyte heaven. Now, people are on Prozac. It's more like Night of the Living Dead. Their wife could be screwing the postman like a wild rabbit and their kid is out back hanging the cat and the guy just sits there with that stupid grin on his face.

It isn't post-feminist fagatization, it's just different meds.

[TailgateNut]

You forget, back in the day, when "men were men" they were also usually drunk. If fact, in today's America we can't even conceive of how much people use to self-medicate with booze and slap various family members around. Ahhh, those were the days. You could just grab your wife or kids and punch them out at will. It was troglodyte heaven. Now, people are on Prozac. It's more like Night of the Living Dead. Their wife could be screwing the postman like a wild rabbit and their kid is out back hanging the cat and the guy just sits there with that stupid grin on his face.

It isn't post-feminist fagatization, it's just different meds.



When Men were Men. LOL

Good one.

[alkemical]

You forget, back in the day, when "men were men" they were also usually drunk. If fact, in today's America we can't even conceive of how much people use to self-medicate with booze and slap various family members around. Ahhh, those were the days. You could just grab your wife or kids and punch them out at will. It was troglodyte heaven. Now, people are on Prozac. It's more like Night of the Living Dead. Their wife could be screwing the postman like a wild rabbit and their kid is out back hanging the cat and the guy just sits there with that stupid grin on his face.

It isn't post-feminist fagatization, it's just different meds.

There was this show on coasttocoast that talked about some of these issues:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2008/02/16.html

The Future of (Child) Men
Ian spoke with psychologist Dr. Leonard Sax, who discussed the various factors contributing to the steady decline of performance, ambition, and fertility in America's boys and young men.

Sperm counts and testosterone levels of young men in the United States have declined substantially over the past 50 years, Sax reported. Environmental estrogens from plastic-bottled drinks may be partially to blame. According to Sax, consuming only two bottles of water provides about the same amount of estrogen as found in a birth control pill. The elevated estrogen intake may be lowering testosterone levels in men, causing them to lose motivation to do anything, Sax added.

To make matters worse, boys are no longer allowed to be boys at school, he said. 'Violent' masculine activities such as dodge ball and snowball fights are prohibited at many schools, Sax pointed out, noting that boys are encouraged to "be more like girls." Typical male conduct at school is often altered with behavior medication, Sax said, which can also damage the motivational centers in boys' brains.

Sax also thinks that accelerated early education programs/curriculum ignore important gender differences and end up creating academic environments that do not appeal to boys. Unmotivated to pursue academic excellence and other real-world goals, these boys find contentment in video games and online pornography. For them, what happens in the "virtual world is more important than the real world," Sax said.

[RaiderH8r]

You forget, back in the day, when "men were men" they were also usually drunk. If fact, in today's America we can't even conceive of how much people use to self-medicate with booze and slap various family members around. Ahhh, those were the days. You could just grab your wife or kids and punch them out at will. It was troglodyte heaven. Now, people are on Prozac. It's more like Night of the Living Dead. Their wife could be screwing the postman like a wild rabbit and their kid is out back hanging the cat and the guy just sits there with that stupid grin on his face.

It isn't post-feminist fagatization, it's just different meds.

It's a combination of the meds and the collective emasculation of the gender.

Men are consistantly portrayed as either knuckle dragging baboons or Gordon Gecko alpha male types to be derided as evil, iron-fisted tyrants hell bent on the destruction of the female gender. Both archtypes serve the feminist movement well. Meanwhile the only arenas where men are consistantly portrayed as enlightened, intelligent, and capable individuals is as homosexuals.

Don’t believe the crap about the patriarchy. More women are accepted and attend college. More degrees are awarded to women than men. Women outlive men. More men commit suicide. Men are twice as likely to be victims of violence, including murder. If you consider sexual assaults in prisons, twice as many men are raped as women (society thinks prison rape is funny). The streets are littered with homeless men, sprinkled with a few homeless women. Statically, women are happier than men. The myth that girls are being cheated by are educational system is belied by the fact that schools are bastions of femininity, mostly run by and taught by women. Girls outperform boys in school. It is the boys in school getting ****ed over, and prescribed ritalin for being boys. Real wages for men are falling, while real wages for women are rising. Just because someone says something enough times, doesn’t make it true. You have nothing to feel guilty about.

[theAPAOps5]

There was this show on coasttocoast that talked about some of these issues:

http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/2008/02/16.html



Coast to Coast with George Noory. Man when I was doing my internship and working all nights he and his callers made the night go by so much easier. The strangest and most unique people called that show.

[-Slap-]

I left because it was valentine's day and I was busy making a gift for my fiance.

After a couple posters turned you inside out, you backpeddled big time, which wasn't surprising, since your first post was so over top stupid.

I hope your fiance enjoyed his Valentines Day gift.

fiancé (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fiance)

fiancée (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fiancee)

[-Slap-]

It's a combination of the meds and the collective emasculation of the gender.

Men are consistantly portrayed as either knuckle dragging baboons or Gordon Gecko alpha male types to be derided as evil, iron-fisted tyrants hell bent on the destruction of the female gender. Both archtypes serve the feminist movement well. Meanwhile the only arenas where men are consistantly portrayed as enlightened, intelligent, and capable individuals is as homosexuals.

Don’t believe the crap about the patriarchy. More women are accepted and attend college. More degrees are awarded to women than men. Women outlive men. More men commit suicide. Men are twice as likely to be victims of violence, including murder. If you consider sexual assaults in prisons, twice as many men are raped as women (society thinks prison rape is funny). The streets are littered with homeless men, sprinkled with a few homeless women. Statically, women are happier than men. The myth that girls are being cheated by are educational system is belied by the fact that schools are bastions of femininity, mostly run by and taught by women. Girls outperform boys in school. It is the boys in school getting ****ed over, and prescribed ritalin for being boys. Real wages for men are falling, while real wages for women are rising. Just because someone says something enough times, doesn’t make it true. You have nothing to feel guilty about.

Based on this post, I'm going to place you in the knuckledragging baboon category.

[OABB]

After a couple posters turned you inside out, you backpeddled big time, which wasn't surprising, since your first post was so over top stupid.

I hope your fiance enjoyed his Valentines Day gift.

fiancé (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fiance)

fiancée (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fiancee)

slap,

please point out to me where I backpeddled. I am capable of admitting when I have made a mistake, but that doesn't mean a pussifying retreat. you see, it would be pussy of me not to admit I had said something over the top just to protect my ego.

[OABB]

It's a combination of the meds and the collective emasculation of the gender.

Men are consistantly portrayed as either knuckle dragging baboons or Gordon Gecko alpha male types to be derided as evil, iron-fisted tyrants hell bent on the destruction of the female gender. Both archtypes serve the feminist movement well. Meanwhile the only arenas where men are consistantly portrayed as enlightened, intelligent, and capable individuals is as homosexuals.

Don’t believe the crap about the patriarchy. More women are accepted and attend college. More degrees are awarded to women than men. Women outlive men. More men commit suicide. Men are twice as likely to be victims of violence, including murder. If you consider sexual assaults in prisons, twice as many men are raped as women (society thinks prison rape is funny). The streets are littered with homeless men, sprinkled with a few homeless women. Statically, women are happier than men. The myth that girls are being cheated by are educational system is belied by the fact that schools are bastions of femininity, mostly run by and taught by women. Girls outperform boys in school. It is the boys in school getting ****ed over, and prescribed ritalin for being boys. Real wages for men are falling, while real wages for women are rising. Just because someone says something enough times, doesn’t make it true. You have nothing to feel guilty about.

excellent post again. I know me saying that means I am just nuthugging you, but it is actually a very well thought out post and well stated opinion.

I see that you have been placed in the knuckledragger category by our mainstay feminist slap, but, it is nonetheless a well written post. I do not place you in the "knuckledragger" category, I would put you in the "thinks for himself, and doesn't backpeddle how he feels so that his girlfriend won't stop having sex with him as punishment type."

[OABB]

:spit: you found one or two others who think it's ok for someone to manhandle/ beat "understanding/ respect" into another human being. Sorry "Charlie" you don't make the cut.

that argument is so five days ago. We are dealing with Slaps fagatization now. We all need to pull back a bit so that he won't feel threatened and can get in touch with his "issues".

[-Slap-]

You're engaged to a man, but you're taunting people about being feminine. Psychologists call this transference. I would go with your earlier admission and say you're a backpeddling pussy.

[OABB]

You're engaged to a man, but you're taunting people about being feminine. Psychologists call this transference. I would go with your earlier admission and say you're a backpeddling p***Y.

Yes, you nailed me. I am sure I am not the first man you have nailed, but you did. I am really gay and have decided to back the hetrosexual male movement in order to one day, deviantly crumble the infastructure from the inside-in order can catch the retreating closeted homos in my grasp. I must now retreat as I am prone to do.

speaking of transference, would your inability to defend yourself when I asked you to point out when I had retreated, and than you called me a retreating p***Y, classify you under this term as well?

[sakuraba]

fag - noun [in sing] Informal chiefly Brit.
a tiring or unwelcome task

Much like the stupidity be expressed. People need to think of man as a verb and not just a noun.

[BMF Bronco]

this gets sent to the butt in 5...4...3...2...

[That One Guy]

1...

[theAPAOps5]

1.5

[TailgateNut]

that argument is so five days ago. We are dealing with Slaps fagatization now. We all need to pull back a bit so that he won't feel threatened and can get in touch with his "issues".


You need some help, sweet britches. Just because you found a few others who agree with your caveman type child rearing ideas, does not mean it's proper and within the limits of the law. You are the one who seems to have "issues".
Please do us a favor and get spayed.

[sakuraba]

Spayed is used in reference to the female. Neuter is the proper use for the male.
Interesting that on a site devoted to the most warlike of sports. Football is a metaphor for war. That everyone seems to have their knickers in a twist over a teenager getting a bit roughed by an officer of the law. He would have been subjected to far greater violence in a game of tackle football with his mates.

[OABB]

You need some help, sweet britches. Just because you found a few others who agree with your caveman type child rearing ideas, does not mean it's proper and within the limits of the law. You are the one who seems to have "issues".
Please do us a favor and get spayed.

I wish I could travel back in time and teach the benefits of time-outs to the cavemen, perhaps all wars in history could have been avoided, and we would all be hugging eachother and a part of a great and peacefull matriarchy. we could joyfully compare our fleshy mammaries with our lady-kin and all laugh in our colorful neck sweaters over a cup of tea.

I did not find "other's" who agreed. There are alot of people that think the way I do. In fact, I believe it is a silent majority and they are starting to come out. I am not preaching anything radical here.

it is people like you that have been reactionary to me, that have caused this thread to go all over the place. All I am saying is that it is o.k. to occasionally use physicality when "time-outs" fail.

Many here know this to be true and they are holding back their urge to defend something the "think" they believe as opposed to searching themselves and asking what they "truly" believe.

Many of you are responding robotically in a way you think you are supposed to. Re-read my posts, I have never said anything near to that that I have been accused of. put down your mom's teet, and look at yourself in the mirror. do you truly see me as some barbaric cave-man? or do you think that is what you were raised by a post feminist society to say.

[That One Guy]

we could joyfully compare our fleshy mammaries...

I don't know what else you said but if you're somehow going to make a game of "I'll show you mine if you show me yours" a regular occurance then I'm in. I don't even care about the rest, this could turn out very nicely...

[TailgateNut]

[QUOTE=sakuraba;1889053]Spayed is used in reference to the female. Neuter is the proper use for the male.
Interesting that on a site devoted to the most warlike of sports. Football is a metaphor for war. That everyone seems to have their knickers in a twist over a teenager getting a bit roughed by an officer of the law. He would have been subjected to far greater violence in a game of tackle football with his mates.[/QUOTE


I understand the reference, and made the comment using "spayed" on purpose.

In addition there is a big difference in the "violence" encountered during a football game and being attacked by a police officer.

[TailgateNut]

I wish I could travel back in time and teach the benefits of time-outs to the cavemen, perhaps all wars in history could have been avoided, and we would all be hugging eachother and a part of a great and peacefull matriarchy. we could joyfully compare our fleshy mammaries with our lady-kin and all laugh in our colorful neck sweaters over a cup of tea.

I did not find "other's" who agreed. There are alot of people that think the way I do. In fact, I believe it is a silent majority and they are starting to come out. I am not preaching anything radical here.

it is people like you that have been reactionary to me, that have caused this thread to go all over the place. All I am saying is that it is o.k. to occasionally use physicality when "time-outs" fail.

Many here know this to be true and they are holding back their urge to defend something the "think" they believe as opposed to searching themselves and asking what they "truly" believe.

Many of you are responding robotically in a way you think you are supposed to. Re-read my posts, I have never said anything near to that that I have been accused of. put down your mom's teet, and look at yourself in the mirror. do you truly see me as some barbaric cave-man? or do you think that is what you were raised by a post feminist society to say.

I used the caveman comparison due to similar brain capacity which tends to lead some to believe violence can be used to teach manners. In addition, this officer has no more right to attack this teenager than an avg. person on the street. Hopefully he will loose his cushy meter maid job and ends up working as night security at the local WalMart.

[sakuraba]

[QUOTE=sakuraba;1889053]Spayed is used in reference to the female. Neuter is the proper use for the male.
Interesting that on a site devoted to the most warlike of sports. Football is a metaphor for war. That everyone seems to have their knickers in a twist over a teenager getting a bit roughed by an officer of the law. He would have been subjected to far greater violence in a game of tackle football with his mates.[/QUOTE


I understand the reference, and made the comment using "spayed" on purpose.

In addition there is a big difference in the "violence" encountered during a football game and being attacked by a police officer.

The violence encountered during a football game far exceeds anything that was done to that cerebrally challenged skateboarder who doesn't seem capable of sending the signal from brain to tongue to utter anything more than "dude". I suppose one might consider that being pushed to the ground and having your toy confiscated is far more violent then breaking a limb, tearing your ACL or breaking your neck and watching dudes ride their skateboards from the comfort of your wheelchair. So perhaps I should reconsider.

[theAPAOps5]

People playing football consent to contact and expect it. This kid didn't deserve to be choked and thrown to the ground. Its not rocket science to distinguish the two.

[OABB]

People playing football consent to contact and expect it. This kid didn't deserve to be choked and thrown to the ground. Its not rocket science to distinguish the two.

I imagine he isn't confused, although I'll let sakuraba speak for himself, as to what the difference is. I took what he said as making a point that many people here object to violence in a very reactionary and negetive manner, and he was merely pointing out the irony that this discussion is happening on a football fan site.

it is kind of funny when you think about it.


I think this thread needs to end now, maybe everyone should just go rent fight club and call it a day.

[sakuraba]

One can say that by disobeying the officers verbal commands the boy was consenting to physical action. Anyone older than five knows that if you disobey verbal orders and warnings from anyone - teacher, parent, fellow children, police officers - you escalate the situation to the physical. The officer exhausted the verbal so was in the position of moving to the next level which is physical. this is a lesson that obviously had to be shared with this malcontent.

[theAPAOps5]

Again I was raised by a dad who used his hand to teach me a lesson. Never closed fisted and never on my face. So I am not against a good spanking. But I think its a stretch to equate football to this cop laying his hands on someone who isn't a threat. Thats all I am saying.

[OABB]

One can say that by disobeying the officers verbal commands the boy was consenting to physical action. Anyone older than five knows that if you disobey verbal orders and warnings from anyone - teacher, parent, fellow children, police officers - you escalate the situation to the physical. The officer exhausted the verbal so was in the position of moving to the next level which is physical. this is a lesson that obviously had to be shared with this malcontent.

where were YOU the other day? god, it's like all of you guys finally decided to speak up and be proud of being men. Thanks newb!

[sakuraba]

I may be a lowly n00b as you Yanks put it, but a voice of reason must be heard, no matter how loud the roar of ignorance and fear.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

I may be a lowly n00b as you Yanks put it, but a voice of reason must be heard, no matter how loud the roar of ignorance and fear.Self anointment hardly makes you some kind of "reasonable voice". Anyone championing what this idiot that was dressed in a uniform said and did is an ignorant, uneducated, backwoods fool.

[theAPAOps5]

Self anointment hardly makes you some kind of "reasonable voice". Anyone championing what this idiot that was dressed in a uniform said and did is an ignorant, uneducated, backwoods fool.

Well said and I never agree with you! :)

The problem with this cop is he wears a badge and a uniform. He is taught to only resort to physical means when someone poses a threat to himself, bystanders or to their own self. This kid was sitting saying dude. He might be a snot nosed spoiled asshole but he never threatened this cop or anyone else by his actions.

[Rohirrim]

One can say that by disobeying the officers verbal commands the boy was consenting to physical action. Anyone older than five knows that if you disobey verbal orders and warnings from anyone - teacher, parent, fellow children, police officers - you escalate the situation to the physical. The officer exhausted the verbal so was in the position of moving to the next level which is physical. this is a lesson that obviously had to be shared with this malcontent.

Not surprising that somebody with the handle "Sakuraba" would believe that the solution to just about any human interaction is some kind of violence. It's the law of the simpleton: You've got a hammer, therefore every problem is a nail.

[OABB]

Not surprising that somebody with the handle "Sakuraba" would believe that the solution to just about any human interaction is some kind of violence. It's the law of the simpleton: You've got a hammer, therefore every problem is a nail.

"The Rohirrim were skilled fighters on horseback; they were armed with swords, shields, spears and bows. They used helms and hauberks of chain mail. In time of war, every able man was obliged to join the Muster of Rohan. They were bound by the Oath of Eorl to help Gondor in times of peril.
They were ruled by a line of kings descended from Eorl the Young."

[TailgateNut]

I may be a lowly n00b as you Yanks put it, but a voice of reason must be heard, no matter how loud the roar of ignorance and fear.


The VOICE OF REASON supports violence by officers who are to protect and serve, not abuse their position of trust.

Speaking of being ignorant, you should examine your position.

[RaiderH8r]

Based on this post, I'm going to place you in the knuckledragging baboon category.

A fascinating rebuttal indeed.

[Rohirrim]

"The Rohirrim were skilled fighters on horseback; they were armed with swords, shields, spears and bows. They used helms and hauberks of chain mail. In time of war, every able man was obliged to join the Muster of Rohan. They were bound by the Oath of Eorl to help Gondor in times of peril.
They were ruled by a line of kings descended from Eorl the Young."

Yep. Mythological horsemen are the same as some lunatic who goes into the ultimate fighting cage and bashes the bloody hell out of somebody in a human dog fight. Right. Rent some discretion.

[sakuraba]

Dog fight reference, how amusing. Nothing like that in football.

[Raidersbane]

I'm running out of popcorn.......

[sakuraba]

Ah, the old comparison of combat sports and football. Two equally prepared opponents who weigh the same and meet head on. Then you can have two 260 lb individuals blind siding a 190 lb-er. Nothing uneven or barbaric there. Oh, no, there's a football involved so it's just a game. I think Mr Vick, used that in his defense. " No they weren't fighting, there was a ball down in that pit. They were playing a game". Don't fool yourself, this game we all love is far more violent then any combat sport. It's like throwing a ball into a pack of dogs fighting and calling it a game.

[TailgateNut]

Dog fight reference, how amusing. Nothing like that in football.

What's amusing is your comparison of an officer abusing his position of trust and a game of football where the participants have all "volunteered" with a clear understanding of the danger involved.

[alkemical]

Ah, the old comparison of combat sports and football. Two equally prepared opponents who weigh the same and meet head on. Then you can have two 260 lb individuals blind siding a 190 lb-er. Nothing uneven or barbaric there. Oh, no, there's a football involved so it's just a game. I think Mr Vick, used that in his defense. " No they weren't fighting, there was a ball down in that pit. They were playing a game". Don't fool yourself, this game we all love is far more violent then any combat sport. It's like throwing a ball into a pack of dogs fighting and calling it a game.

"....consider the roots of the sport itself. Just about any source will trace American football to the various forms of Rugby in the United Kingdom. It's not exactly the game we are concerned about though. It's all about the ball, isn't it? And what does this ball represent? Well, if you've been reading my articles of late the answer is CRYSTAL clear...the ball is merely a skull, the head of your enemies. Today we still refer to the football as a "pigskin"...after skulls went out of favor most balls were made from the bladder of an animal...ritual, plain and simple.

A man by the name of Walter Camp is considered the father of American football...In the 1880's he started to establish specific RULES that set the game apart from it's British cousin. In those days most organized games were played in the North Eastern United States at primarily Ivy League Universities. Walter Camp was from Yale, a member of the countries most elite fraternity Delta Kappa Epsilon...as well as home to The Skull and Bones Society, and many say the skull of American Indian Geronimo. Anyone unfamiliar with Yale, Delta Kappa Epsilon or Skull & Bones, I suggest you take an hour or two and check into the histories, and members of these institutions. (http://peeringthrough.blogspot.com/2007/12/bowl-of-oranges-golden-compass-part-two.html)"

[Rohirrim]

Hey, I've got a new sport that people will love. It's called, "Throw an adult male policeman into a cage with a fourteen year old."

[TailgateNut]

Hey, I've got a new sport that people will love. It's called, "Throw an adult male policeman into a cage with a fourteen year old."


Will the background music consist of Arethas' R E S P E C T?

[alkemical]

Hey, I've got a new sport that people will love. It's called, "Throw an adult male policeman into a cage with a fourteen year old."

Is that better than a priest?

[Rohirrim]

Will the background music consist of Arethas' R E S P E C T?

People will chant, "Dude, dude, dude, dude!"

[OABB]

Yep. Mythological horsemen are the same as some lunatic who goes into the ultimate fighting cage and bashes the bloody hell out of somebody in a human dog fight. Right. Rent some discretion.

actually, I was making the point that you shouldn't judge someone by a screen name Rohirrim.
I can actually give you my discretion and you can keep it.


as far as throwing a cop in with a fourteen year old in a cage, I think that sport will fail unless you get a really douchy, disrespectfull, dude-slurring punk kid who disregards the rules of the game. we than dress the cop in an american gladiator type outfit and give him a name like "officer thor" and it will be a huge hit.

everyone will love it except for closeted homos (the same one's that hate boxing,mma, football,war, or movies where the girl doesn't get the rich guy husband) who will view this sport simply as two cavemen cracking eachother skulls.

[sakuraba]

[QUOTE=orangeandblueblooded;1889660]actually, I was making the point that you shouldn't judge somone by a screen name Rohirrim.
I can actually give you my discretion and you can keep it.


You sir make an excellent point. The wonderful, peace loving, vegan riders of Rohan. Delightful little make believe chaps trotting about on their ponies. Perhaps more exposure to the real world would do some good. The real world does involve interaction, and that can be rough at times....but you don't have to cry over every "booboo".

[DenverBroncosJM]

http://break.com/index/baltimore-cop-in-trouble-again.html

Good thing you defended this guy!

Here he is caught again acting like an A** AGAIN!

[OABB]

http://break.com/index/baltimore-cop-in-trouble-again.html

Good thing you defended this guy!

Here is is caught again acting like an A**

so let me guess, we are now going to say that he is out of control for kicking a remote control car that was aimed at his feet? are you aware that the man who videotaped this "outburst" is a self proclaimed 'artist' who wants to express the folly of man, or some sh*t like that, by driving remote control cars at people's feet?

now picture yourself videotaping public reactions to a remote control car that is aimed at unsuspecting people's feet. are you expecting their reactions to be happy? what reaction are you trying to "capture" as an "artist"?

I know I am viewed as the crazy one here, but come on he kicked a remote control car that was aimed at his feet. this is what we call a "set-up" in the production business.

and secondly, how does this douche bag "artist" even have the balls to call himself an artist? how is taping people getting mad at a remote control car art?

[TailgateNut]

so let me guess, we are now going to say that he is out of control for kicking a remote control car that was aimed at his feet? are you aware that the man who videotaped this "outburst" is a self proclaimed 'artist' who wants to express the folly of man, or some sh*t like that, by driving remote control cars at people's feet?

now picture yourself videotaping public reactions to a remote control car that is aimed at unsuspecting people's feet. are you expecting their reactions to be happy? what reaction are you trying to "capture" as an "artist"?

I know I am viewed as the crazy one here, but come on he kicked a remote control car that was aimed at his feet. this is what we call a "set-up" in the production business.

and secondly, how does this douche bag "artist" even have the balls to call himself an artist? how is taping people getting mad at a remote control car art?


So now it's against the law to operate remote control vehicles on public property?

[alkemical]

So now it's against the law to operate remote control vehicles on public property?

He does make a point. The meathead did fall right into the "plan". He's not a good representative for a cop. You also have the problem with people/power too. To wield law requires wisdom, it's unfortunate that we as a people want brute force. If we didn't, it wouldn't be so. In some weird way, society demands it.

[Rohirrim]

actually, I was making the point that you shouldn't judge someone by a screen name Rohirrim.
I can actually give you my discretion and you can keep it.


as far as throwing a cop in with a fourteen year old in a cage, I think that sport will fail unless you get a really douchy, disrespectfull, dude-slurring punk kid who disregards the rules of the game. we than dress the cop in an american gladiator type outfit and give him a name like "officer thor" and it will be a huge hit.

everyone will love it except for closeted homos (the same one's that hate boxing,mma, football,war, or movies where the girl doesn't get the rich guy husband) who will view this sport simply as two cavemen cracking eachother skulls.

Actually, I believe the "closeted homos" are the ones who are the most worried about not appearing manly so they overreact by supporting things like blood sports and cops bashing kids... things like that.

[Beantown Bronco]

http://break.com/index/baltimore-cop-in-trouble-again.html

Good thing you defended this guy!

Here he is caught again acting like an A** AGAIN!

Do we know when this actually happened? I assume he's still suspended or on desk duty, so it can't be recent.

[alkemical]

Actually, I believe the "closeted homos" are the ones who are the most worried about not appearing manly so they overreact by supporting things like blood sports and cops bashing kids... things like that.

Don't forget, argyle socks.....

[TailgateNut]

Do we know when this actually happened? I assume he's still suspended or on desk duty, so it can't be recent.

according to the video it occured "last summer".

I think the fatass is pissed off because he barely fits in his vehicle.ROFL!

[OABB]

So now it's against the law to operate remote control vehicles on public property?

there are no laws against rc cars specifically. however, it is basic knowlegde that driving an R/C car on a crowded public boardwalk, just like playing catch, or playing loud music, can leave you open for an OFFICER'S discretion towards a disturbing the peace warning/ticket or what not.

If Riviera was so insane, he would have wrestled this douche bag artist to the ground as well. all he did was kick the car, and take it.

I guarantee you that this "artist" has hours of videotape with recordings of many,many people getting upset at his "art".

perhaps one of these people called officer riviera to save the day with his downright awesomeness. I don't know.

but I do know that none of us here would drive a r/c car into any person's feet, ESPECIALLY a cops feet, just like none of us would EVER call a cop dude repeatedly, nor refuse to sit down at his command.

it's the same old same old.

I say not to purposely try and piss off a man wielding a firearm with the legal right to use force, and you all say that we should do whatever we want and screw the angry small penised policemen.

when a cop tries to pull you over, do you you step on the gas pedal or do you pull over?
it's that simple. really.

you guys are saying it's o.k. to step on the gas if you don't feel you have done anything wrong. and if the cop chases you, he obvioulsy has some emotional issues or is fat and unhappy about it.

if you do pull over, would you keep calling the cop names? would you refuse to show him you liscence?

this thread is SO INSANE!!!!!

[sakuraba]

but it's got electrolytes

[OABB]

Actually, I believe the "closeted homos" are the ones who are the most worried about not appearing manly so they overreact by supporting things like blood sports and cops bashing kids... things like that.

nope. it's the one's who say things like that.

[sakuraba]

et tu Brute?

[sakuraba]

Actually, I believe the "closeted homos" are the ones who are the most worried about not appearing manly so they overreact by supporting things like blood sports and cops bashing kids... things like that.

I think they're running a Julia Roberts festival at the Aero.

[alkemical]

Bah, we're all gay to some degree.

[sakuraba]

And now.....Siegfried und Roy? Say it ain't so.

[alkemical]

And now.....Siegfried und Roy? Say it ain't so.

Ya, eit is sooo.

[OABB]

And now.....Siegfried und Roy? Say it ain't so.

At least Clay Aiken is still holding out. that guys got some balls...there in his mouth, but...

[DBruleU]

At least Clay Aiken is still holding out. that guys got some balls...there in his mouth, but...

LOL

[sakuraba]

hmmm, how would Clay Aiken have handled the situation? I suppose he would have handled it.

[crowebomber]

according to the video it occured "last summer".

I think the fatass is pissed off because he barely fits in his vehicle.ROFL!

Yeah, I agree. I apologize to Mr. Riviera now. If I had to drive that stupid friggin car, I would want to beat up some punks and smash up some toys too. Not only is he forced to wear spandex pants, he has to drive a spandex car!!!!

[TailgateNut]

Yeah, I agree. I apologize to Mr. Riviera now. If I had to drive that stupid friggin car, I would want to beat up some punks and smash up some toys too. Not only is he forced to wear spandex pants, he has to drive a spandex car!!!!

I wonder who he pissed off (being a 17yr vet of the force) to get that "cherry" asignment. What a ****ing LOOSER!

[TailgateNut]

there are no laws against rc cars specifically. however, it is basic knowlegde that driving an R/C car on a crowded public boardwalk, just like playing catch, or playing loud music, can leave you open for an OFFICER'S discretion towards a disturbing the peace warning/ticket or what not.

If Riviera was so insane, he would have wrestled this douche bag artist to the ground as well. all he did was kick the car, and take it.

I guarantee you that this "artist" has hours of videotape with recordings of many,many people getting upset at his "art".

perhaps one of these people called officer riviera to save the day with his downright awesomeness. I don't know.

but I do know that none of us here would drive a r/c car into any person's feet, ESPECIALLY a cops feet, just like none of us would EVER call a cop dude repeatedly, nor refuse to sit down at his command.

it's the same old same old.

I say not to purposely try and piss off a man wielding a firearm with the legal right to use force, and you all say that we should do whatever we want and screw the angry small penised policemen.

when a cop tries to pull you over, do you you step on the gas pedal or do you pull over?
it's that simple. really.

you guys are saying it's o.k. to step on the gas if you don't feel you have done anything wrong. and if the cop chases you, he obvioulsy has some emotional issues or is fat and unhappy about it.

if you do pull over, would you keep calling the cop names? would you refuse to show him you liscence?

this thread is SO INSANE!!!!!


If a law is broken, then the douche should write a ticket and get back in his POS patrol wagon. He shouldn't however resort to attacks and destruction of private property.

To defend him makes you also look like a douche.

[RaiderH8r]

I wonder who he pissed off (being a 17yr vet of the force) to get that "cherry" asignment. What a ****ing LOOSER!

That's been my point for awhile. 17 years on the force and he drives a glorified golf cart? Honestly, he would be fortunate to have someone of my stature leave a steaming turd on the hood of that thing. Lend it some character and dignity for Christ's sake. Something a guy like McRibwich there can take some pride in. Put yourself in his overweight, cloven, pig hooves for a second. He spends his day trying to impose his will on punk kids only to be justifiably mocked for his efforts. Then he goes to the station only to be justifiably mocked by colleagues. Then he goes home for a wank session only to be justifiably mocked by his impotence. Thereby completing the circle of craptitude that is Chief Wiggum's life. Impotent at work, at home, and in life.

[TailgateNut]

That's been my point for awhile. 17 years on the force and he drives a glorified golf cart? Honestly, he would be fortunate to have someone of my stature leave a steaming turd on the hood of that thing. Lend it some character and dignity for Christ's sake. Something a guy like McRibwich there can take some pride in. Put yourself in his overweight, cloven, pig hooves for a second. He spends his day trying to impose his will on punk kids only to be justifiably mocked for his efforts. Then he goes to the station only to be justifiably mocked by colleagues. Then he goes home for a wank session only to be justifiably mocked by his impotence. Thereby completing the circle of craptitude that is Chief Wiggum's life. Impotent at work, at home, and in life.


One word says it all: LOOSER!

[sakuraba]

That's been my point for awhile. 17 years on the force and he drives a glorified golf cart? Honestly, he would be fortunate to have someone of my stature leave a steaming turd on the hood of that thing. Lend it some character and dignity for Christ's sake. Something a guy like McRibwich there can take some pride in. Put yourself in his overweight, cloven, pig hooves for a second. He spends his day trying to impose his will on punk kids only to be justifiably mocked for his efforts. Then he goes to the station only to be justifiably mocked by colleagues. Then he goes home for a wank session only to be justifiably mocked by his impotence. Thereby completing the circle of craptitude that is Chief Wiggum's life. Impotent at work, at home, and in life.


That's Hot.

[OABB]

If a law is broken, then the douche should write a ticket and get back in his POS patrol wagon. He shouldn't however resort to attacks and destruction of private property.

To defend him makes you also look like a douche.

I am aware that my reputation is hinging on a douche bag cop. I am willing to risk it, for I believe in the overall point I am trying to make repeatedly, is worth it.

Yes, Riviera is a bit of a douche. It still does not take away from the fact that the 14 year old skate or die punk kid, and this r/c "artist" are even bigger one's.

[TailgateNut]

I am aware that my reputation is hinging on a douche bag cop. I am willing to risk it, for I believe in the overall point I am trying to make repeatedly, is worth it.

Yes, Riviera is a bit of a douche. It still does not take away from the fact that the 14 year old sket or die punk kid, and this r/c "artist" are even bigger one's.


Who in your feeble mind should be more mature?

[OABB]

Who in your feeble mind should be more mature?

you. you feeble minded vagina face.

[alkemical]

Don't dis the vagina

[sakuraba]

Well, no police force should make use of shorts as uniform, with the possible exception of certain Southeast Asian countries. And his naff little buggy, does not speak authority like a good water cannoned armored car, but, one should exercise a bit of respect for authority.

[RaiderH8r]

One word says it all: LOOSER!

But that doesn't get you 17+ pages on the Mane of Spam bashing. And yes, this cop is spam, he's not quite a pig.

[sakuraba]

carpe vagina

[TailgateNut]

you. you feeble minded vagina face.


says the poster with a self admiring ******y ass photo of himself in his sig. Hilarious!

[alkemical]

Well, no police force should make use of shorts as uniform, with the possible exception of certain Southeast Asian countries. And his naff little buggy, does not speak authority like a good water cannoned armored car, but, one should exercise a bit of respect for authority.

Bah, why should i respect authority?

[alkemical]

carpe vagina

Vici, Veni, Vici, Vagina

[sakuraba]

vae vagina

[sakuraba]

says the poster with a self admiring ******y ass photo of himself in his sig. Hilarious!

That sir is Billy Mitchell, the King of Donkey Kong. I should think you'd be well acquainted with him.

[alkemical]

vae vagina

lol, good stuff ;)

[Kaylore]

I can't believe this thread is this long.

[OABB]

says the poster with a self admiring ******y ass photo of himself in his sig. Hilarious!

You are so not on my level. that is not me douche.

I do find it funny that you are the guy arguing against violence, but your sig has a nice statement about killing people that piss you off.

[sakuraba]

lol, good stuff ;)

You show you are a connoisseur of the lesser known Latin expressions. Huzzah.

[OABB]

I can't believe this thread is this long.

me neither...

And I am the guy that backpeddled and ran away for days because I was getting so trounced.

COuld you imagine my shock when I grew the balls and returned with my tail between my legs only to see that it was still going strong.

it is the offseason, remember. it's either this thread or the one's that beg us to bring every over the hill player here.

either way, it's seems that a nerve has been touched, and it helps to pass the time until the draft.

[alkemical]

You show you are a connoisseur of the lesser known Latin expressions. Huzzah.



I dabble in both. ;)

[BMF Bronco]

uh oh, now there's two of them

[alkemical]

That's how i can tell it was a good night

[Rohirrim]

Yeah, I agree. I apologize to Mr. Riviera now. If I had to drive that stupid friggin car, I would want to beat up some punks and smash up some toys too. Not only is he forced to wear spandex pants, he has to drive a spandex car!!!!

Hilarious!

[TailgateNut]

You are so not on my level. that is not me douche.

I do find it funny that you are the guy arguing against violence, but your sig has a nice statement about killing people that piss you off.


:rofl:

As I said: Self admiring!

[Rohirrim]

That's been my point for awhile. 17 years on the force and he drives a glorified golf cart? Honestly, he would be fortunate to have someone of my stature leave a steaming turd on the hood of that thing. Lend it some character and dignity for Christ's sake. Something a guy like McRibwich there can take some pride in. Put yourself in his overweight, cloven, pig hooves for a second. He spends his day trying to impose his will on punk kids only to be justifiably mocked for his efforts. Then he goes to the station only to be justifiably mocked by colleagues. Then he goes home for a wank session only to be justifiably mocked by his impotence. Thereby completing the circle of craptitude that is Chief Wiggum's life. Impotent at work, at home, and in life.

Yeah. And then, when he pulls up to a crime in progress, kids shout, "The Geek Squad!" :rofl:

BTW, if the fat little nazi did have to arrest somebody, where would he put them?

[RaiderH8r]

Yeah. And then, when he pulls up to a crime in progress, kids shout, "The Geek Squad!" :rofl:

BTW, if the fat little nazi did have to arrest somebody, where would he put them?

From the looks of the guy he carries ne'erdowells back to the station in a secret compartment located around his waistband. BTW, I think he's smuggling plums in those shorts of his.

[theAPAOps5]

He never really arrests people. he is the guy who roughs up helpless people who are not threat. You know kids, artists, 97 year old ladies. When the real **** hits the fan he floors that thing all the way to 20mph and gets his fat ass out. Then he calls for backup and the real cops show up.

[Spider]

I guess they nailed some other Balitmore cop . killed 2 people in a high speed chase ....it is about time we started putting cops in their place

[OABB]

I guess they nailed some other Balitmore cop . killed 2 people in a high speed chase ....it is about time we started putting cops in their place

did they call him dude? if they did, I'm all for it.

[Rohirrim]

From the looks of the guy he carries ne'erdowells back to the station in a secret compartment located around his waistband. BTW, I think he's smuggling plums in those shorts of his.

Oh, I thought he was storing macadamias, like some kind of tropical squirrel.

[OABB]

:rofl:

As I said: Self admiring!

I was being sarcastic. you have the sense of humor of a lesbian.

[BMF Bronco]

Ellen DeGeneres is one funny bitch!

[OABB]

Ellen DeGeneres is one funny b****!

CLEARLY the exception to the rule.

[alkemical]

I was being sarcastic. you have the sense of humor of a lesbian.

I'm a lesbian.

[Rohirrim]

I'm a lesbian.

I have lesbian leanings, I must confess.

[Florida_Bronco]

I guess they nailed some other Balitmore cop . killed 2 people in a high speed chase ....it is about time we started putting cops in their place

That happened almost a year ago. The officer was chasing a motorcycle and lost control resulting in the accident.

[TailgateNut]

I was being sarcastic. you have the sense of humor of a lesbian.

Thank you, fruitcake.

[OABB]

I'm a lesbian.

two exceptions.

[Spider]

That happened almost a year ago. The officer was chasing a motorcycle and lost control resulting in the accident.

tragic ... But I have zero sympathy ...... If I kill someone in a accident , and I am behind in my log book I get the same treatment

[Florida_Bronco]

tragic ... But I have zero sympathy ...... If I kill someone in a accident , and I am behind in my log book I get the same treatment

I kinda have mixed feelings on that. Obviously the officer needs to exercise discretion and caution, but unless he was negligent I can't see charging them for an accident incurred during a high speed chase.

[alkemical]

two exceptions.

Oh, i didn't say i was funny or had a good sense of humor, beer gives that to me. But i do share an affinity for women.

[Spider]

I kinda have mixed feelings on that. Obviously the officer needs to exercise discretion and caution, but unless he was negligent I can't see charging them for an accident incurred during a high speed chase.

2people are dead caused by his actions ..

[Florida_Bronco]

2people are dead caused by his actions ..

It's been too long for me to remember the details of that incident, but I think it's pretty obvious that a high speed chase is extremely dangerous for everyone involved.

[Spider]

It's been too long for me to remember the details of that incident, but I think it's pretty obvious that a high speed chase is extremely dangerous for everyone involved.

and he Chose to do it .....

[Florida_Bronco]

and he Chose to do it .....

You might have to do those things as a cop.

[Spider]

You might have to do those things as a cop.

No **** ....Really ...... you figured that out without the help of CSI ...Time and place for high speed , it is clear this punk didnt have the skill to do this ...He killed 2 people ....

[Florida_Bronco]

No **** ....Really ...... you figured that out without the help of CSI ...Time and place for high speed , it is clear this punk didnt have the skill to do this ...He killed 2 people ....

I'm not about to jump all over the cop for this...yet. Like I said it's been a year and I don't remember the details, but lord knows why he was chasing this suspect and how fast the pursuit was.

And when you get right down to it, sometimes accidents just happen. Just the way life is.

[Spider]

I'm not about to jump all over the cop for this...yet. Like I said it's been a year and I don't remember the details, but lord knows why he was chasing this suspect and how fast the pursuit was.

And when you get right down to it, sometimes accidents just happen. Just the way life is.

of course you wont jump on the cop ...... you guys are no different then the people you chace only you are protected by a badge , but scum is scum ....

[Florida_Bronco]

of course you wont jump on the cop ...... you guys are no different then the people you chace only you are protected by a badge , but scum is scum ....

Get real Spider.

[Pendejo]

You might have to do those things as a cop.

Why?

[alkemical]

of course you wont jump on the cop ...... you guys are no different then the people you chace only you are protected by a badge , but scum is scum ....

The blue wall.

[RaiderH8r]

Oh, I thought he was storing macadamias, like some kind of tropical squirrel.

Officious Assholus Baltimorus-This short legged ferrell animal is a solitary creature, roaming its habitat in search of smaller prey. Once Officioius Assholus Baltimorus has identified its prey, in this case a male Adolescenticus Wiseassious Skateboardus, Baltimorus will utilize his evolutionary tools to move in for the strike. Notice how Baltimorus carries his winter weight even during the summer months, storing vast amounts of energy around the waistline. While this could be a hinderance in other animals, it suits Baltimorus well and identifies him as a dominant male within his own mind. Baltimorus has also developed an ingenious method of movement that does not require him to frequently leave the comfort of his rotund backside. His four wheeled bubble, we can only assume Baltimorus chose the shape because of the resemblance to his own waistbound girth, has special meaning to Baltimorus as a status symbol of his dominance. Added to the waistband and the four wheeled bubble, Assholus will also employ a metallic trinket that gives him his confidence to act out his behavior.

Assolus will assert his authority on Skateboardus through rapid approach, vigorous pointing, and the renown Officious Assoholus roar. Watch as Wiseassious Skateboardus employs his own technique of communication, using a solitary word. Baltimorus does not understand Skateboardus, nor does he care to. Baltimorus only concerns himself with the forced submission of his smaller prey. When Skateboardus does not comply Baltimorus resorts to physically overwhelming the creature. Skateboardus does not stand a chance against a leviathan of Baltimorus' size and quickly concedes his own means of conveyance, the four wheeled plank.

It is also believed by some that Baltimorus stores plums in his groin region, under the tightly fitting loin cloth. However, there is a growing segment of the scientific community that believes Baltimorus just has small nuts down there.

Baltimorus is most easily identified by ill fitting garments, four wheeled bubble, and the smell of glazed donuts. If you should stumble across Baltimorus you should either submit to his whims or run like hell. His primary habitat is Krispy Kreme where the beacon of "Fresh Donuts" will bring Assholus Baltimorus from miles around. Best be elsewhere.