So, Make a Case for McFadden...

[cmhargrove]

OK, things change, the year progresses. However, some guys around here would have traded Champ Bailey for the right to draft McFadden this year (I actually remember that conversation from an earlier thread).

So, is anyone still hot on this guy if he is there at #12?

I watched some highlight reels, and it looked like he beat a lot of guys around the end (which I think he will have a harder time of in the NFL). I think he is speedy fast, but so was Tatum. So, if you like the kid, make your case. Who thinks McFadden would be the best thing for this team (and why)?

There was too much hype about this kid earlier to let this go...

[FantomForce]

Don't need him, end of thread

[enjolras]

I think he'll be a very good pro. He looks a LOT like Adrian Peterson really.

That said, I have a rule about drafting running backs in the first round. The guys in front of them are SOOOO much more important.

[Gcver2ver3]

We'll be fine at RB....

Don't get me wrong, McFadden is nice...but i think he's going to go high in the draft because of how Adrian Peterson has been as a rookie...

Adrian Peterson was a top prosect at RB and prolly higher touted than McFadden but even still he didn't get picked til the 7th pick...

Now all of a sudden McFadden may go #1 overall...

This is the AD effect but at the end of the day, RB isn't the primary need for us...

The current SB champs have Jacobs & Washington as their two headed monster...neither are of McFadden or Peterson's calibur...

Let's get our Lines in order...that wins championships...

[dbfan4life]

We'll be fine at RB....

Don't get me wrong, McFadden is nice...but i think he's going to go high in the draft because of how Adrian Peterson has been as a rookie...

Adrian Peterson was a top prosect at RB and prolly higher touted than McFadden but even still he didn't get picked til the 7th pick...

Now all of a sudden McFadden may go #1 overall...

This is the AD effect but at the end of the day, RB isn't the primary need for us...

The current SB champs have Jacobs & Washington as their two headed monster...neither are of McFadden or Peterson's calibur...

Let's get our Lines in order...that wins championships...

Exactly! :thumbsup:

[Arkansas Bronco]

I cant believe all the hype because that prick said he wouldnt take McFadden in the top 20 because he runs up right. Yea he does and so did Eric Dickerson who is almost the same back McFadden is, although I think McFadden is faster. He was the back that ran up the middle yea he ran outside as well but Jones couldnt run up the middle. Face it he was locked on all game long and face 9 in the box all year in the SEC with no passing game and there are questions HA! you guys who just trust drat junkies instead of seeing them play are insane.

[-Slap-]

I cant believe all the hype because that prick said he wouldnt take McFadden in the top 20 because he runs up right. Yea he does and so did Eric Dickerson who is almost the same back McFadden is, although I think McFadden is faster. He was the back that ran up the middle yea he ran outside as well but Jones couldnt run up the middle. Face it he was locked on all game long and face 9 in the box all year in the SEC with no passing game and there are questions HA! you guys who just trust drat junkies instead of seeing them play are insane.

Can we stop comparing these greenhorns to NFL record holders in the Hall of Fame before they're played a single game?

We had some Ritalin kid slandering the great Earl Campbell at this time last year. If McFadden turns out to be half the back Eric Dickerson was, he'll make a few Pro Bowls.

[Traveler]

As much as we should focus on the trenches, if McFadden were to make it to the twelve spot, the team would have to take him. The value is too great to pass up.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Your old enough too seen both run you tell me the difference. I didnt say he was him just they run the same way so get off my back.

[Gcver2ver3]

if McFadden were to make it to the twelve spot

He won't...

[TheDave]

Can we stop comparing these greenhorns to NFL record holders in the Hall of Fame before they're played a single game?

We had some Ritalin kid slandering the great Earl Campbell at this time last year. If McFadden turns out to be half the back Eric Dickerson was, he'll make a few Pro Bowls.


Thank you...

[TheDave]

I cant believe all the hype because that prick said he wouldnt take McFadden in the top 20 because he runs up right. Yea he does and so did Eric Dickerson who is almost the same back McFadden is, although I think McFadden is faster. He was the back that ran up the middle yea he ran outside as well but Jones couldnt run up the middle. Face it he was locked on all game long and face 9 in the box all year in the SEC with no passing game and there are questions HA! you guys who just trust drat junkies instead of seeing them play are insane.

Actually Mayock brought up a very good point the other night concerning McFadden. Said he has gone through about 1/2 of his games so far and the exact same problem keeps arising. During his runs he says that his legs continually go dead upon contact. If he is correct about this, that would make him useless as a starting HB for games played on Sundays. A runningback unable to get tough yards and/or push the pile generally become 3rd down options... see Bush, Reggie

[alkemical]

I cant believe all the hype because that prick said he wouldnt take McFadden in the top 20 because he runs up right. Yea he does and so did Eric Dickerson who is almost the same back McFadden is, although I think McFadden is faster. He was the back that ran up the middle yea he ran outside as well but Jones couldnt run up the middle. Face it he was locked on all game long and face 9 in the box all year in the SEC with no passing game and there are questions HA! you guys who just trust drat junkies instead of seeing them play are insane.

Shouldn't that be the other way around?

[Arkansas Bronco]

Shouldn't that be the other way around?

Hell I am no english major. ;D

[Arkansas Bronco]

Actually Mayock brought up a very good point the other night concerning McFadden. Said he has gone through about 1/2 of his games so far and the exact same problem keeps arising. During his runs he says that his legs continually go dead upon contact. If he is correct about this, that would make him useless as a starting HB for games played on Sundays. A runningback unable to get tough yards and/or push the pile generally become 3rd down options... see Bush, Reggie

No Felix is very similar to Reggie. McFadden does have strength and break tackles. He is no M. Barber but he definatly have some power and his stiff arm is unreal. People that talk about the spit back field have to remember that usually Mcfadden was in the qb slot which took allot of heat off Jones. Also Mcfadden missed very little time for injurys which is always a plus.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Can we stop comparing these greenhorns to NFL record holders in the Hall of Fame before they're played a single game?

We had some Ritalin kid slandering the great Earl Campbell at this time last year. If McFadden turns out to be half the back Eric Dickerson was, he'll make a few Pro Bowls.

Just because you long for your youth doesnt mean that comparisons are invalid.

Why dont you quit trying to regulate what can and cant be talked about, and join in for some actual conversation like a normal person?

I'm not sure who appointed you the anti-free speech Nazi.

[Inkana7]

Well that was a rather pointless attack for the sake of an attack. Good job, bucko.

[TheDave]

No Felix is very similar to Reggie. McFadden does have strength and break tackles. He is no M. Barber but he definatly have some power and his stiff arm is unreal. People that talk about the spit back field have to remember that usually Mcfadden was in the qb slot which took allot of heat off Jones. Also Mcfadden missed very little time for injurys which is always a plus.

Again, i'm just going by what Mayock said... But if he does go down upon 1st contact and therefore does not offer a team much in the way of an inside runner, then there is not that much value there. As for his stiff arm, thats great when he gets to the outside, but again it is no value on inside runs.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Again, i'm just going by what Mayock said... But if he does go down upon 1st contact and therefore does not offer a team much in the way of an inside runner, then there is not that much value there. As for his stiff arm, thats great when he gets to the outside, but again it is no value on inside runs.

Well go check out someone elses word then our 2. Because I am a no name just seen him play (a hell of allot) and thinks he is going to be great.

[TheDave]

Just because you long for your youth doesnt mean that comparisons are invalid.

Why dont you quit trying to regulate what can and cant be talked about, and join in for some actual conversation like a normal person?

I'm not sure who appointed you the anti-free speech Nazi.

I get that you don't like Slap, but he is right. Making a comparison between DMAC and one of the best to ever play the game is rediculous.

[Arkansas Bronco]

I get that you don't like Slap, but he is right. Making a comparison between DMAC and one of the best to ever play the game is rediculous.

Can you people not read I said he runs like him not that he was as good as him. Damn. They both run upright, comparison is stating that it can work.

Edit: And yes I do think McFadden is faster, I think most pro's now are faster then allot of the legends.

[CBF1]

I would not be my life saying McFadden is faster than Dickerson. I only saw Dickerson get caught from behind 1 time and that was by Darrel Green....who for years was the fastest man in the NFL.

Hate to agree with Slap, but comparing a college JR to a HOF, Record holding NFL running back is quite a reach.

[TheDave]

Can you people not read I said he runs like him not that he was as good as him. Damn. They both run upright, comparison is stating that it can work.

Edit: And yes I do think McFadden is faster, I think most pro's now are faster then allot of the legends.

Nice try...

Yea he does and so did Eric Dickerson who is almost the same back McFadden is, although I think McFadden is faster.

it was a dumb comparison...

[epicSocialism4tw]

I get that you don't like Slap, but he is right. Making a comparison between DMAC and one of the best to ever play the game is rediculous.

-Schlep- isnt doing anyone any favors. He's spewing the same emotive whining that he always does. It really doesnt matter to him to protect the image of these players...he is just fighting the tide. Younger fans are looking at the players that they will remember with the same mythic reminiscience that -Schlep- is clinging to tightly with both hands.

People like comparisons, and when you have a great college player entering the NFL I think that its perfectly reasonable to project their curve along the same lines as other great players who made the transition before them.

If -Schlep- was concerned with the timbre of conversation, he would spend all of his time here whining and trolling the boards for arguments.

The guy's a poser.

[CBF1]

""Yea he does and so did Eric Dickerson who is almost the same back McFadden is, although I think McFadden is faster""

Arkie, This is totally a comparison between the two RB's

[CBF1]

-Schlep- isnt doing anyone any favors. He's spewing the same emotive whining that he always does. It really doesnt matter to him to protect the image of these players...he is just fighting the tide. Younger fans are looking at the players that they will remember with the same mythic reminiscience that -Schlep- is clinging to tightly with both hands.

People like comparisons, and when you have a great college player entering the NFL I think that its perfectly reasonable to project their curve along the same lines as other great players who made the transition before them.

If -Schlep- was concerned with the timbre of conversation, he would spend all of his time here whining and trolling the boards for arguments.

The guy's a poser.

LOL Kinda of like comparing the Dallas Mavericks and 0-time mvp Dirk to past great team/player combinations LOL

[alkemical]

Hell I am no english major. ;D

Well, i won't get into the "it is a comparison" thing as everyone else is getting on ya for - but it's true - it is a comparison.

[Arkansas Bronco]

CBF I didnt mean that he was or is going to be as great, just they both run upright and have speed and power. I dont get where maylock says that he doesnt.

[TheDave]

I would not be my life saying McFadden is faster than Dickerson. I only saw Dickerson get caught from behind 1 time and that was by Darrel Green....who for years was the fastest man in the NFL.

Hate to agree with Slap, but comparing a college JR to a HOF, Record holding NFL running back is quite a reach.


Living in OC during ED's time with the rams was fun... Dude was easily one of the geatest to play the game. To this day i have never seen a RB hit the hole as fast as he did.

[Beantown Bronco]

To this day i have never seen a RB hit the hole as fast as he did.

Try hanging out with Travis Henry in the off-season.

[TheDave]

-Schlep- isnt doing anyone any favors. He's spewing the same emotive whining that he always does. It really doesnt matter to him to protect the image of these players...he is just fighting the tide. Younger fans are looking at the players that they will remember with the same mythic reminiscience that -Schlep- is clinging to tightly with both hands.

People like comparisons, and when you have a great college player entering the NFL I think that its perfectly reasonable to project their curve along the same lines as other great players who made the transition before them.

If -Schlep- was concerned with the timbre of conversation, he would spend all of his time here whining and trolling the boards for arguments.

The guy's a poser.

Whatever... I've watched Eric Dickerson play and believe me DMAC is no Eric Dickerson.

[TheDave]

Try hanging out with Travis Henry in the off-season.

:thumbsup: :rofl: :thumbsup:

[epicSocialism4tw]

Living in OC during ED's time with the rams was fun... Dude was easily one of the geatest to play the game. To this day i have never seen a RB hit the hole as fast as he did.

Look at the 65-yarder at about the 1:20 mark of this clip. When he hits the hole like this, he either hurts someone or takes it a long way:

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[epicSocialism4tw]

Whatever... I've watched Eric Dickerson play and believe me DMAC is no Eric Dickerson.

I'm not saying that he is, and neither is the originator of the comparison.

He's saying that they are comparable, and really, I dont see why it matters to anyone who is comparable to who coming out of the draft. You are just giving an idea as to who this player could be like.

If the stylistic comparison is off, that's one thing, but really...who cares if he compares him to Dickerson? If he's wrong, he's wrong.

[Drek]

If he's there at #12? Then sure, BPA and all that. But he won't be.

[Inkana7]

Look at the 65-yarder at about the 1:20 mark of this clip. When he hits the hole like this, he either hurts someone or takes it a long way:

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It's easy to hit a hole hard and score a TD when your line makes a hole the size of a medium sized car.

[chickennob2]

The reason AD fell to number 7 was his injury concerns. He missed the better part of his last 2 seasons at OU, and he missed soem time this year. McFadden has no injury concerns. If Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams both went in the top 5, you cna bet McFadden Will go in the top 5.

[lex]

Your old enough too seen both run you tell me the difference. I didnt say he was him just they run the same way so get off my back.

Im also old enough to have seen them both. Here is the biggest difference and also the biggest criticism of McFadden that I see. McFadden is in too big of a hurry when he runs. On one hand its impressive but on the other, not throttling down a little bit after the LOS makes it harder for him to lower a shoulder and see and cut to an open lane. McFadden runs like he is trying to squeeze through an opening in the secondary that may not be there when he has to get past the LBs first. If he were to throttle back, say, 5% or so, he could better see a running lane and make a cut or put a shoulder into the LB in front of him. Eric Dickerson was always in control.

I like Mayock but I thought some of Mayocks analysis was bogus like the dropping the ball in traffic. Thats not my biggest concern. I honestly think he needs to be in more control so he can absorb/deliver contact better as well as make cuts. His acceleration is good enough to still cash in on openings.

I would gladly take McFadden and I would gladly trade up for him. Lets also not forget that of Stewart, Mendenhall, and McFadden, McFadden easily played on the team with the worst passing game. Arkansas' leading receiver was their fullback, and this was in what is generally considered to be the toughest conference, mind you. Plus McFadden is a quick healer and plays through injury.

[-Slap-]

I'm not saying that he is, and neither is the originator of the comparison.

He's saying that they are comparable, and really, I dont see why it matters to anyone who is comparable to who coming out of the draft. You are just giving an idea as to who this player could be like.

If the stylistic comparison is off, that's one thing, but really...who cares if he compares him to Dickerson? If he's wrong, he's wrong.

It's kind of the way so many people compare Llama's dad to a more feminine version of Richard Simmons. It doesn't invalidate the comparison just because Richard Simmons is rich and famous Llama Sr is some anonymous Texas polesmoker. If anything, it just proves that the apple doesn't roll far from the tree.

[epicSocialism4tw]

It's kind of the way so many people compare Llama's dad to a more feminine version of Richard Simmons. It doesn't invalidate the comparison just because Richard Simmons is rich and famous Llama Sr is some anonymous Texas polesmoker. If anything, it just proves that the apple doesn't roll far from the tree.

Hilarious!

Come on, dude. That was weak. Really.

Oh, and by the way...with you being the resident general self-appointed english critic and all...you got the colloquialism wrong.

I thought you might want to know. :thumbsup:

[Kaylore]

I would favor comparing prospects to other current players or even fellow prospects and not hall of fame legends. I've been guilty of doing this myself but I hesitate to post it because there isn't any evidence that they will have that kind of career at the pro level.

As for a case for Mcfadden, I don't see one. If there's anything that the NFL has shown us in recent years, it's that first round running backs are not worth it. In an era that is moving increasingly to the passing game, and the way backs wear down, wasting a pick that high on a running back would be foolhardy especially when we don't have the tackles to let Ladainian Tomlinson look cool.

So, no to McFadden.

[sixtimeseight]

There is a 0% chance he is there at #12. Pointless thread.

[epicSocialism4tw]

There is a 0% chance he is there at #12. Pointless thread.

I dont think that they were suggesting taking him at 12.

[That One Guy]

There seems to be some selective logic in this thread... I'd bet that for every upright RB that you can name that has succeeded, posters can find 2 or 3 that generally failed. There's a reason why the upright factor is a negative. More players have failed at it than have become ED2.

[TheDave]

I dont think that they were suggesting taking him at 12.


At this point, assuming he does tear a hole in the space time continuum while clocking his 40, I would not be the least bit surprised to see him there at 12.

[Traveler]

At this point, assuming he does tear a hole in the space time continuum while clocking his 40, I would not be the least bit surprised to see him there at 12.

If he is there, would you take him?

[nickademus]

Can we stop comparing these greenhorns to NFL record holders in the Hall of Fame before they're played a single game?

We had some Ritalin kid slandering the great Earl Campbell at this time last year. If McFadden turns out to be half the back Eric Dickerson was, he'll make a few Pro Bowls.

The compairson to Dickerson is valid if you are just looking at running style. you could also use Eddie George as a decent compairson back as well. It is pretty cool to see two young backs coming into the league that could compete for the rushing title year in and year out. I have a feeling AD and McFadden will be linked their entire careers.

I have said all along how much I like McFadden but we need an OT and a DT plus a few linebackers so drafting him doesnt seem like a prudent thing to do.

[TheDave]

If he is there, would you take him?

Not if he is unable to move the pile and get yards after contact... We already had Tatum Bell.

[Beantown Bronco]

If he is there, would you take him?

It would depend on a few things:

Are any of the other targeted players still available that the brain trust thought might not make it to 12?

and

Is there a ridiculous offer on the table to trade down? One that is comparable to the one the Cowboys took last year to allow the Browns to move back into the first.....if someone were willing to make such an offer, one that would guarantee extra first and second round picks this year and/or next, then I would have to consider that.

If both answers above are "no", then I would definitely consider drafting him.

[~Crash~]

OK, things change, the year progresses. However, some guys around here would have traded Champ Bailey for the right to draft McFadden this year (I actually remember that conversation from an earlier thread).

So, is anyone still hot on this guy if he is there at #12?

I watched some highlight reels, and it looked like he beat a lot of guys around the end (which I think he will have a harder time of in the NFL). I think he is speedy fast, but so was Tatum. So, if you like the kid, make your case. Who thinks McFadden would be the best thing for this team (and why)?

There was too much hype about this kid earlier to let this go...

the guy is more the Clinton Portis type of runner but bigger people will be a buzz after his times at indy . the guy has the best eye sight and uses angles as good as TD he will never ever get past the first 5 picks so this is a wast of time.

[~Crash~]

CBF I didnt mean that he was or is going to be as great, just they both run upright and have speed and power. I dont get where maylock says that he doesnt.

Maylock seen 3 games is why there were games that McFadden disapeared but that does not make him at fault . Mayock is wrong .

[TheDave]

Alright... I just finished watching about 4 of his highlight movies on youtube. Someone has to explain to me what they see in this kid. He looks like a freak athlete with good speed who was able to dominate in a gimicky offense at Arkansas. I admit he is a freak in space and once he reaches the 2nd level. Problem is he will see almost none of that in the NFL. Not one of these highlights showed him hitting the hole and picking up yards with people hanging on him. He could be a dangerous change of pace back especially on screens and draws... but not an everydown back that kills the clock and gets you those tough 1st downs.

Ehhh.... and i just read he had 15 fumbles last season?!?!?!?

Lets see what he does at the combine.

[sixtimeseight]

At this point, assuming he does tear a hole in the space time continuum while clocking his 40, I would not be the least bit surprised to see him there at 12.

I will bet you any amount of money that he isn't there at 12.

[elsid13]

Maylock seen 3 games is why there were games that McFadden disapeared but that does not make him at fault . Mayock is wrong .

Maylock seems to me a guy that studies a lot tape before he make a declaration. My question are you slamming Maylock because you disagree with in general with him or because he doesn't rate a playwe high like you want him to?

[broncosteven]

Alright... I just finished watching about 4 of his highlight movies on youtube. Someone has to explain to me what they see in this kid. He looks like a freak athlete with good speed who was able to dominate in a gimicky offense at Arkansas. I admit he is a freak in space and once he reaches the 2nd level. Problem is he will see almost none of that in the NFL. Not one of these highlights showed him hitting the hole and picking up yards with people hanging on him. He could be a dangerous change of pace back especially on screens and draws... but not an everydown back that kills the clock and gets you those tough 1st downs.

Ehhh.... and i just read he had 15 fumbles last season?!?!?!?

Lets see what he does at the combine.

This sounds like Tatum Bell... no?

[TheDave]

I will bet you any amount of money that he isn't there at 12.

Like maybe $48 ? ;D

[iforgotmypassword]

I was on the bandwagon.... and i never for one secound thought McFadden was what would be best for our team, I was o-line since halfway through the season.

Oline is number one priority period

Our argument was that Dallas seemed interested in giving up both first for either Champ or DeAngelo Hall..... that had been going around Dallas boards.

"The plan" that has caused so much controversy was that by giving up champ we felt we had the power to get McFadden, solidy the Oline, and find our true blocking fullback (the oline and fullback part has picked up). We also said that this years offseason potentailly had peices we need for defense. Corey Williams, a few LB's etc.

We thought that to build an offense with Cutler and Walker(not a problem at the time) sheffler, Graham, and Mustard(imo important for goal line) Cutler, McFadden, Selvin Young, True Blocking FB, and a revamped O-line that we could completely solidify the offense for years and years to come in one offseason while finding the pieces for defense there after.

The offense would have every tool you could ask for and youth. They could grow up together and break records.

Champs cap hit and Walker bein a bitch and a few other things kinda put a damper on the whole sha-bang, but you can't tell me u'd drool all over this offense

QB-Cutler
RB1-McFadden
RB2-Young/Henry
FB-Owen Schmitd
WR-Marshall
WR-Javon
slot-Stokes
Revamped Oline with atleast two high picks

[lex]

Alright... I just finished watching about 4 of his highlight movies on youtube. Someone has to explain to me what they see in this kid. He looks like a freak athlete with good speed who was able to dominate in a gimicky offense at Arkansas. I admit he is a freak in space and once he reaches the 2nd level. Problem is he will see almost none of that in the NFL. Not one of these highlights showed him hitting the hole and picking up yards with people hanging on him. He could be a dangerous change of pace back especially on screens and draws... but not an everydown back that kills the clock and gets you those tough 1st downs.

Ehhh.... and i just read he had 15 fumbles last season?!?!?!?

Lets see what he does at the combine.


Why dont you look into it on your own. His stats are a good place to start.

[lex]

Maylock seems to me a guy that studies a lot tape before he make a declaration. My question are you slamming Maylock because you disagree with in general with him or because he doesn't rate a playwe high like you want him to?

I actually like Mayock but I disagree with him here. His complaints were that he drops a pass in traffic sometimes. He carries the ball in the wrong hand often. And his legs go limp when he gets hit. Mayocks puts too much weight on a couple of things that arent significant relatively speaking. Lets start with his production in college playing for a school with no passing game and work from there. Whatever "it" is that he does well, is obviously good enough to overcome dropping passes sometimes in traffic. I think his lack of patience is his biggest problem. He has tremendous accelaration but doesnt let plays materialize maybe the way he should at the second level. He's definitely a one cut guy though. I just think he needs to slow down like 5% when at the next level. I think when he goes dead-legged its a function of not being patient or slightly out of control. If he were to be more patient, he could better react to impacts, which would reduce the dead-legged effect since it would improve his leverage.

[TheDave]

Why dont you look into it on your own. His stats are a good place to start.

Wow... a bunch of stats piled up in a gimmicky style of offense he will never see again.

Yeah no thanks... I was hoping some of his many suporters might be able to give some insight. I'm guessing this means you don't have any.

[That One Guy]

I actually like Mayock but I disagree with him here. His complaints were that he drops a pass in traffic sometimes. He carries the ball in the wrong hand often. And his legs go limp when he gets hit. Mayocks puts too much weight on a couple of things that arent significant relatively speaking. Lets start with his production in college playing for a school with no passing game and work from there. Whatever "it" is that he does well, is obviously good enough to overcome dropping passes sometimes in traffic. I think his lack of patience is his biggest problem. He has tremendous accelaration but doesnt let plays materialize maybe the way he should at the second level. He's definitely a one cut guy though. I just think he needs to slow down like 5% when at the next level. I think when he goes dead-legged its a function of not being patient or slightly out of control. If he were to be more patient, he could better react to impacts, which would reduce the dead-legged effect since it would improve his leverage.

OK, so just to clarify things... Mayock(who can only estimate on where he should be picked, but must've seen something to make him say what he said) criticizes him on dropping passes, carrying the ball in the wrong hand, and going limp.

You say you disagree but do so by justifying why his legs go limp and basically say he hits holes with reckless abandon and could only solve that by slowing down. The guy hasn't PROVEN that he can break tackles and now you want to slow him down... and you still think he's worth moving up for? A top of the draft player should be touted as being the best at various things... not needing people to justify his deficiencies(sp?)

[Broncoman13]

Can we stop comparing these greenhorns to NFL record holders in the Hall of Fame before they're played a single game?

We had some Ritalin kid slandering the great Earl Campbell at this time last year. If McFadden turns out to be half the back Eric Dickerson was, he'll make a few Pro Bowls.


Dude, if he wants to compare him to Dickerson then let him. The only reason Dickerson is any better or more respected is b/c he's proven.

It's sad enough that your routing against Adrian Peterson to prove your point... now you're doing the same thing with McFadden.

I sure hope you don't route against Jay Cutler when people compare him to Elway.

Sure, it's very premature to compare these guys to HOFers, but it's there favorite players and they should feel free to "pimp" them.

[That One Guy]

Dude, if he wants to compare him to Dickerson then let him. The only reason Dickerson is any better or more respected is b/c he's proven.

It's sad enough that your routing against Adrian Peterson to prove your point... now you're doing the same thing with McFadden.

I sure hope you don't route against Jay Cutler when people compare him to Elway.

Sure, it's very premature to compare these guys to HOFers, but it's there favorite players and they should feel free to "pimp" them.

There's nothing wrong with grabbing em by the shirttails and dragging em back to reality though.

As I've mentioned to some people before, any opinion can and will be accepted if someone can substantiate it. Tell us WHY he's like Dickerson and different from all of the big upright backs that've failed... why choose Dickerson as a comparison rather than Joe Schmoe who spent 3 years on a practice squad and just couldn't conform to the NFL?

People just drop names as if it'll instantly lend credibility to their claims but nobody wants to put in the effort to justify it. If they can't provide any reasoning then they're just picking two names and wishing upon a star, that's not the most sound way to form an opinion and wont get you far in terms of debating.

[Punisher]

I have a feeling that Mcfadden will get hurt alot because of hes style of running..Mike Hart will be there in later rounds hes a steal...I say take a Oline men or dline men in the 1st round and take Hart in the late rounds

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Dude, if he wants to compare him to Dickerson then let him. The only reason Dickerson is any better or more respected is b/c he's proven.

It's sad enough that your routing against Adrian Peterson to prove your point... now you're doing the same thing with McFadden.

I sure hope you don't route against Jay Cutler when people compare him to Elway.

Sure, it's very premature to compare these guys to HOFers, but it's there favorite players and they should feel free to "pimp" them.

LOL

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Alright... I just finished watching about 4 of his highlight movies on youtube. Someone has to explain to me what they see in this kid. He looks like a freak athlete with good speed who was able to dominate in a gimicky offense at Arkansas. I admit he is a freak in space and once he reaches the 2nd level. Problem is he will see almost none of that in the NFL. Not one of these highlights showed him hitting the hole and picking up yards with people hanging on him. He could be a dangerous change of pace back especially on screens and draws... but not an everydown back that kills the clock and gets you those tough 1st downs.

Ehhh.... and i just read he had 15 fumbles last season?!?!?!?

Lets see what he does at the combine.

Stop routing against him!

[That One Guy]

I have a feeling that Mcfadden will get hurt alot because of hes style of running..Mike Hart will be there in later rounds hes a steal...I say take a Oline men or dline men in the 1st round and take Hart in the late rounds

As a Michigan guy I really liked Hart but I didn't realize just how much he runs his freakin' mouth. It sure would've been nice if he could've saved some of that energy to beat Ohio State JUST ONE FREAKIN TIME while he was there at Michigan. Not so sure I want someone like that on the Broncos...

I'm a fan of guys that talk trash but are having fun with it... not the "I'm gonna talk trash and try to pick a fight after every play" kind.

[lex]

OK, so just to clarify things... Mayock(who can only estimate on where he should be picked, but must've seen something to make him say what he said) criticizes him on dropping passes, carrying the ball in the wrong hand, and going limp.

You say you disagree but do so by justifying why his legs go limp and basically say he hits holes with reckless abandon and could only solve that by slowing down. The guy hasn't PROVEN that he can break tackles and now you want to slow him down... and you still think he's worth moving up for? A top of the draft player should be touted as being the best at various things... not needing people to justify his deficiencies(sp?)

Yeah I do think that. Again, go back to his production.

[Beantown Bronco]

Dude, if he wants to compare him to Dickerson then let him.

Better watch it. If you keep calling people "Dude", you might just get your @ss kicked.

[lex]

Wow... a bunch of stats piled up in a gimmicky style of offense he will never see again.

Yeah no thanks... I was hoping some of his many suporters might be able to give some insight. I'm guessing this means you don't have any.

No, it means you dont have any. Why dont you do the work and look into it yourself. As I said, his stats are a good place to start...plus you can look up a variety of other threads with this handy search tool. You can even do an advanced search if you want. Its great.

[TheDave]

No, it means you dont have any. Why dont you do the work and look into it yourself. As I said, his stats are a good place to start...plus you can look up a variety of other threads with this handy search tool. You can even do an advanced search if you want. Its great.

I've watched the highlight tapes and read what some of the "Draft Experts" have said. As I said before stats racked up in that goofy system they ran at arkansas are meaningless. I just though a guy that wants to trade champ for him might have a little more insight... Guess not.

[That One Guy]

I've watched the highlight tapes and read what some of the "Draft Experts" have said. As I said before stats racked up in that goofy system they ran at arkansas are meaningless. I just though a guy that wants to trade champ for him might have a little more insight... Guess not.

You've got to be skeptical when you REALLY try and have a discussion with Lex. Eventually, he's gonna let you down if you're expecting intelligent input from both ends. If all you have to base your info off of is production then just trade Champ and get Ron Dayne back. Far as I know he's still the king of college RBs. We even had him and let him go... what a mistake that was. Oh, wait though, Dayne didn't come from the SEC where all players succeed and others fail to even compare...

[TheDave]

You've got to be skeptical when you REALLY try and have a discussion with Lex. Eventually, he's gonna let you down if you're expecting intelligent input from both ends. If all you have to base your info off of is production then just trade Champ and get Ron Dayne back. Far as I know he's still the king of college RBs. We even had him and let him go... what a mistake that was. Oh, wait though, Dayne didn't come from the SEC where all players succeed and others fail to even compare...

My fear is that, DMAC is really good in one of Lex's NCAA video games...

... seams like a lot of that is running around these days.

[lex]

I've watched the highlight tapes and read what some of the "Draft Experts" have said. As I said before stats racked up in that goofy system they ran at arkansas are meaningless. I just though a guy that wants to trade champ for him might have a little more insight... Guess not.


Have you used the search feature yet? I find it hard to believe you wouldnt find something on this topic by using that. Try it out and then get back to us.

[lex]

You've got to be skeptical when you REALLY try and have a discussion with Lex. Eventually, he's gonna let you down if you're expecting intelligent input from both ends. If all you have to base your info off of is production then just trade Champ and get Ron Dayne back. Far as I know he's still the king of college RBs. We even had him and let him go... what a mistake that was. Oh, wait though, Dayne didn't come from the SEC where all players succeed and others fail to even compare...

No, its really more the case that you can only expect my posts to mirror your own. Im not extremely tolerant of the blustering, posturing, semantics, etc. Im not going to bear a greater burden than you do. If you're going to go into the posturing as I mentioned and then demand answers, its just as easy for me to tell you to find out yourself. Its no ones job to sell him on McFadden. He is free to think what he wants and its really shouldnt be a big concern to McFadden advocates if he says he's not impressed.

[~Crash~]

Maylock seems to me a guy that studies a lot tape before he make a declaration. My question are you slamming Maylock because you disagree with in general with him or because he doesn't rate a playwe high like you want him to?

a lot of tape is not 3 games . McFadden is a great RB in the mold of TD not power backs but using angles and strenght to push though arm tackles . Mayoc is no different from all of us we all make mistakes .

[~Crash~]

Wow... a bunch of stats piled up in a gimmicky style of offense he will never see again.

Yeah no thanks... I was hoping some of his many suporters might be able to give some insight. I'm guessing this means you don't have any.

yep he sucks cause you say so lol

I will go with Shanan Sharp and get someone that has actualy produced though out his whole time in college ...

[ElwayMD]

Can we beef him up and make him play O-line?

[Traveler]

NFL | McFadden will not run at NFL Combine
Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:50:05 -0800

Tim MacMahon, of The Dallas Morning News, reports University of Arkansas RB Darren McFadden said Thursday, Feb. 14, that he will not run at the NFL Scouting Combine and has not decided if he will participate in any physical activities.

[2KBack]

NFL | McFadden will not run at NFL Combine
Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:50:05 -0800

Tim MacMahon, of The Dallas Morning News, reports University of Arkansas RB Darren McFadden said Thursday, Feb. 14, that he will not run at the NFL Scouting Combine and has not decided if he will participate in any physical activities.

What's he afraid of? With the whispers of him being overrated already starting, he should use the combine as a chance to prove his worth.

[lex]

What's he afraid of? With the whispers of him being overrated already starting, he should use the combine as a chance to prove his worth.

I agree. This is very disappointing. If either Mendenhall or Stewart run, say, a 4.45 or better, I can easily see one of them surging past McFadden.

[Beantown Bronco]

I agree. This is very disappointing. If either Mendenhall or Stewart run, say, a 4.45 or better, I can easily see one of them surging past McFadden.

Hopefully, all the RBs that show up to the combine absolutely light it up. The more RBs that leap-frog McFadden, the more talent at "need" positions will fall to the Broncos.

[2KBack]

Hopefully, all the RBs that show up to the combine absolutely light it up. The more RBs that leap-frog McFadden, the more talent at "need" positions will fall to the Broncos.

While I don't see RB as a need for this team, I want all the backs to tear up the combine too, if just for the excitment.


I still want Matt Forte though.

[elsid13]

What's he afraid of? With the whispers of him being overrated already starting, he should use the combine as a chance to prove his worth.

He going to run on field that were he and his agent control the workout. It standard proceedure for the guys. It not surprising at all.

[elsid13]

a lot of tape is not 3 games . McFadden is a great RB in the mold of TD not power backs but using angles and strenght to push though arm tackles . Mayoc is no different from all of us we all make mistakes .

So I watched the video on NFL.com and I don't see where he watched only three games. I believe his exact quote when I watch film on McFadden I see -. And the points he has should be consider valid - especial the wrong arm carring the ball and the legs going dead. That not saying he bad Rb, just that he has some issues.