Is it possible for Huckabee to beat McCain?

[Bob]

It’s a number’s game – I get it, and some of you guys may have looked at teh numbers and "know" it is impossible. But I am always skeptical when we are being told there is no chance/choice. With southern states he has won, and more to come, and with some conservatives being unable to pull the lever for anyone Huckabee may pull off the near impossible.

Understand guys – I dislike the Huckster, and can not vote for someone who I believe has some bigotry issues -- but pointing out that with a recent Kansas win, he might surprise. If Huckabee takes Virginia coming up – McCain may be in for a fight. Either way, The R’s will loose this time around – I don’t see McCain taking enough moderates to compensate for the conservative votes he has lost. So if the “choice and cure” in McCain, is too much like the Dem plan (as he kicks open the border, so Spider can drive side by side with more uninsured, unlicensed illegals in his new home of Texas) – he will serve to water down the Elephant party further, kind of like an incremental path to hell – and see a Dem win as creating contrast as some ideas are implemented. If conservatives keep electing people who say there are conservatives, but are not we end up taking the country in the same wrong direction (in my humble opinion.)

[Crushaholic]

It's POSSIBLE Huckabee can win, but he ABSOLUTELY has to take Texas March 4th. If he doesn't, look for him to bow out the next day (if he hasn't already).

[Bob]

It's POSSIBLE Huckabee can win, but he ABSOLUTELY has to take Texas March 4th. If he doesn't, look for him to bow out the next day (if he hasn't already).

Wish he would contrast himself with McCain (if there are subtaintail differences.) instead of kissing butt for VP.

[Crushaholic]

Wish he would contrast himself with McCain (if there are subtaintail differences.) instead of kissing butt for VP.

I agree. He needs to outline why he's more conservative than John McCain. We know he's a religious man, but he'll go down in flames if that's all the ammo he has...

[Taco John]

No, it's not possible in the primaries. It is possible that McCain doesn't collect enough delegates to get the nomination - in which case it would go to a brokered convention. McCain would be seriously damaged for that brokered convention and wouldn't likely get the nomination at that point.

[frerottenextelway]

The math breaks down that he has to win about 90% of all votes in the remaining states.

[baja]

Saying McCain can't win the general election is premature, we are yet to see what Swift Boat plan the have ready for Obama their preferred opponent.

[Chupacabra]

How is the nominee decided if it goes to a brokered convention?

No, it's not possible in the primaries. It is possible that McCain doesn't collect enough delegates to get the nomination - in which case it would go to a brokered convention. McCain would be seriously damaged for that brokered convention and wouldn't likely get the nomination at that point.

[Old Dude]

How is the nominee decided if it goes to a brokered convention?

Backroom deals, threats & promises, arm-twisting, posturing, payoffs, extortion ... the usual. They just keep going until something gives.

[frerottenextelway]

How is the nominee decided if it goes to a brokered convention?

What Old Dude said, but there is 0 chance of this happening this year.

[defenseman]

No it is NOT possible, the Huckster needs to bail asap and quit spending good people's donated campaign money on a "bridge to no where"....dman

[Bob]

Saying McCain can't win the general election is premature, we are yet to see what Swift Boat plan the have ready for Obama their preferred opponent.

So if the Repubs win, it will have to becuase of some fabricated conspiracy?

Heaven knows, if it is McCain and Hilary they will both do and say what ever they think we want to hear to get power. I hope that Obama can stay above that if nominated...

I dont mind blasting ideas -- but lately there has been bomb dropping just before elections in primaries -- just make up something that is half true, and provide no time for the other guy to respond.

[Spider]

I dont know about huckabee , but I am pretty sure I can take Chuck Norris

[Bronco Bob]

I dont know about huckabee , but I am pretty sure I can take Chuck Norris

But can you take Tedy Bruschi

[Spider]

But can you take Tedy Bruschi

Ha! any man named teddy wants no part of me

[Dukes]

we are yet to see what Swift Boat plan the have ready for Obama their preferred opponent.

Most republicans I know fear Obama much more than Hillary for McCain's opponent

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Most republicans I know fear Obama much more than Hillary for McCain's opponentI doubt if it'll matter much who it is if the party turnout numbers hold for the election.

[Dukes]

I doubt if it'll matter much who it is if the party turnout numbers hold for the election.

This is just my opinion, but I believe a lot of people will come out of the woodwork to vote against Hillary. I'm not sure the same will happen if Obama gets the nod.

I just think that if Obama is the candidate, he's in. The number of young people supporting him is pretty amazing.

[Spider]

This is just my opinion, but I believe a lot of people will come out of the woodwork to vote against Hillary. I'm not sure the same will happen if Obama gets the nod.

I just think that if Obama is the candidate, he's in. The number of young people supporting him is pretty amazing.

Hilarious! wet dream ? alot of Dems I have talked to are excited about both candidates , and just want a democrat in office , lot of moderates really are sick and tired of ****ing republicans and they want a change , be it either Hillary or Obama .. alot of truckers will vote for the first mother ****er that can lower fuel prices no matter who it is ...... Now i get around alot , make it point to talk to alot of people all over about how they feel about Candidates and Issues ..... no suprises , young people Iraq is an issue , middleaged people , healthcare , taxes , Economy , Truckers ,fuel prices .... A buddy of mine Red is his name from Nebraska told me flat out the Rep Caucus was small compared ot the Dems caucus ..... People are turning out in droves for the Dems

[Bronco_Beerslug]

This is just my opinion, but I believe a lot of people will come out of the woodwork to vote against Hillary. I'm not sure the same will happen if Obama gets the nod.

I just think that if Obama is the candidate, he's in. The number of young people supporting him is pretty amazing.She would probably bring out a few more right wing voters but from what I've seen, most Republicans have taken such a beat down from voting for Bush, twice, that they are staying home.

[spdirty]

alot of truckers will vote for the first mother ****er that can lower fuel prices no matter who it is ......

neither of the 3 remaining candidates will do that. All 3 will probably impose a 50 cent gas tax hike to stop the global warming.

[spdirty]

She would probably bring out a few more right wing voters but from what I've seen, most Republicans have taken such a beat down from voting for Bush, twice, that they are staying home.

staying home is chicken shlt.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

staying home is chicken shlt.Well, so far, that's what's happening looking at the turnout numbers.

[spdirty]

Well, so far, that's what's happening looking at the turnout numbers.

Oh I know. But what these bitter sons of bitches should be doing is going out and voting for whomever they want to be president. I already know now (unless McCain selects a Golwater on steroids RM) that I will vote but not for either of these 3 disasters.

[Spider]

neither of the 3 remaining candidates will do that. All 3 will probably impose a 50 cent gas tax hike to stop the global warming.

got a link to that ?

[spdirty]

got a link to that ?

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=514771

best I could get on such short notice.:P

[Spider]

http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=514771

LOL Sean Insanity BB ?
lets try a real source , not some drama queen Idiot .......

[spdirty]

front page of google.

FOXNews.com - Congressman John Dingell Proposes 50-cent Gas Tax ... (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,298271,00.html)

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 border=0><TBODY><TR><TD class=j>Sep 27, 2007 ... —A 50-cent-a-gallon tax on gasoline and jet fuel, phased in over five years, ... McCain; 45.5%; Romney; 22.9%; Huckabee; 19.3%; Paul; 6.1% ...
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50 cent gas tax with McCain, Hillary or Obama - Sean Hannity ... (http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=514771)

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A Disgruntled Republican: Congressman John Dingell Proposes 50 ... (http://adisgruntledrepublican.blogspot.com/2007/10/congressman-john-dingell-proposes-50.html)

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[Spider]

um yeah .... Dingle ,so I can see where peole think the 3 candidates left are like Dingle ROFL!

[Spider]

let me help you out SpDirty .. http://www.lexisnexis.com/news/ unless you get it from here , it is bull****

[spdirty]

um yeah .... Dingle ,so I can see where peole think the 3 candidates left are like Dingle ROFL!

look...I'm gonna tell you now, thats my prediction. 18 months from now, no matter who gets elected, your gonna be paying an extra 50 cent a gallon for your diesel. In the name of global warming. so just get ready for it.

[Spider]

Oh and that is a very right wing media ......

[Spider]

look...I'm gonna tell you now, thats my prediction. 18 months from now, no matter who gets elected, your gonna be paying an extra 50 cent a gallon for your diesel. In the name of global warming. so just get ready for it.

LOL Al gore really has you shook up ...... Look you may have heard alot about the Ice age of the 70's comming , well there was a threat of it , but Nixon created the EPA and steps were taken to prevent it .... Case in point , in the 80's there were less cars in LA but alot more pollution , the Brown cloud over Denver etc .... well now twice as many cars and no where near the pollution , and it didnt kill us , no big tax increase , no armageddon .....
Point is lets wait and see what happens

[spdirty]

LOL Al gore really has you shook up ...... Look you may have heard alot about the Ice age of the 70's comming , well there was a threat of it , but Nixon created the EPA and steps were taken to prevent it .... Case in point , in the 80's there were less cars in LA but alot more pollution , the Brown cloud over Denver etc .... well now twice as many cars and no where near the pollution , and it didnt kill us , no big tax increase , no armageddon .....
Point is lets wait and see what happens

well, whats gonna happen is that in a decade or so the global warming crowd will have run out of steam and there will be a new environmental disaster waiting to happen.

Its like the boy who cried wolf.

[Spider]

well, whats gonna happen is that in a decade or so the global warming crowd will have run out of steam and there will be a new environmental disaster waiting to happen.

Its like the boy who cried wolf.

sure cause steps will be taken to advert Global Warming .... but like everything else , we will go overboard and create some new disaters from some of the steps we have taken to prevent Global warming .........same dance

[spdirty]

sure cause steps will be taken to advert Global Warming .... but like everything else , we will go overboard and create some new disaters from some of the steps we have taken to prevent Global warming .........same dance

so now your ready to accept my prediction that no matter who gets elected, we're getting a 50 cent gas tax hike right? Cuz its a step to avert global warming.

[Spider]

so now your ready to accept my prediction that no matter who gets elected, we're getting a 50 cent gas tax hike right? Cuz its a step to avert global warming.

No ........but what I will accept is that they will put mandatory regulations on fuel mileage and phase out cars and trucks that get under 20 miles to the gallon like they did with cars that burned Eithel and regular gasoline

[24champ]

well, whats gonna happen is that in a decade or so the global warming crowd will have run out of steam and there will be a new environmental disaster waiting to happen.

Its like the boy who cried wolf.

Like they did with Global Cooling in the 1970s?

[24champ]

LOL Al gore really has you shook up ...... Look you may have heard alot about the Ice age of the 70's comming , well there was a threat of it , but Nixon created the EPA and steps were taken to prevent it .... Case in point , in the 80's there were less cars in LA but alot more pollution , the Brown cloud over Denver etc .... well now twice as many cars and no where near the pollution , and it didnt kill us , no big tax increase , no armageddon .....
Point is lets wait and see what happens

Are you telling me Nixon saved the world from global cooling because of some EPA policy? Got proof?

[Spider]

Are you telling me Nixon saved the world from global cooling because of some EPA policy? Got proof?

LOL I forget , kids were to young to remember this , and Insanity doesnt tell the whole truth so how could you know ......
http://www.loe.org/shows/shows.htm?programID=96-P13-00032#feature2
http://www.epa.gov/history/publications/ruck/07.htm
Richard Nixon legacy will always be tainted for watergate , but Nixon did alot of good things ...... Unlike Bush

[Spider]

LOL menwhile while 24champbailey is recovering from shock ..SpDirty like I say we been through this before ,even the oil crisis , in 72 we could only buy 1 gallon of gas at a time , people would drive around to several Gas stations just for that 1 gallon ..... we survived .....we will survive this

[spdirty]

LOL menwhile while 24champbailey is recovering from shock ..SpDirty like I say we been through this before ,even the oil crisis , in 72 we could only buy 1 gallon of gas at a time , people would drive around to several Gas stations just for that 1 gallon ..... we survived .....we will survive this

christ 1 gallon wouldnt even get me to Denver...hell Id be hard pressed to get to Conifer.

Spider, we both know what needs to be done to lower fuel prices...yet all these assclowns in Washington, both from the left and right, but mostly from the left, are totally against it. all because of the Global Warming racket. Just pisses me off to no end.

[Bronco Bob]

Like they did with Global Cooling in the 1970s?

What global cooling of the 70's? No legitimate scientist was predicting that.
The only evidence you yahoos were ever able to produce in regards to that
hokum was some Newsweek article by some fruitcake that even Newsweek
later retracted. And Newsweek is hardly an established scientific journal.

[24champ]

LOL I forget , kids were to young to remember this , and Insanity doesnt tell the whole truth so how could you know ......
http://www.loe.org/shows/shows.htm?programID=96-P13-00032#feature2
http://www.epa.gov/history/publications/ruck/07.htm
Richard Nixon legacy will always be tainted for watergate , but Nixon did alot of good things ...... Unlike Bush

We aren't talking about Bush here Spidey, lefties always like to turn the conversation towards Bush because they can't defend their position. Which your position is that Nixon and his EPA policies saved us from the Global Cooling crisis.:spit:

Either way though spider, I looked at your links and it appears you just pulled them out of your ass, no where does it say that Nixon averted the Global Cooling crisis that was looming. Try Again.

[24champ]

What global cooling of the 70's? No legitimate scientist was predicting that.
The only evidence you yahoos were ever able to produce in regards to that
hokum was some Newsweek article by some fruitcake that even Newsweek
later retracted. And Newsweek is hardly an established scientific journal.

So which is it? There was no global cooling crisis or that Nixon saved the world from Global Cooling?

Then again I suppose Spider missed the DNC memo on this...

[Spider]

We aren't talking about Bush here Spidey, lefties always like to turn the conversation towards Bush because they can't defend their position. Which your position is that Nixon and his EPA policies saved us from the Global Cooling crisis.:spit:

Either way though spider, I looked at your links and it appears you just pulled them out of your ass, no where does it say that Nixon averted the Global Cooling crisis that was looming. Try Again.

LOL just goes to show you cant fix stupid ..reread my post
Al gore really has you shook up ...... Look you may have heard alot about the Ice age of the 70's comming , well there was a threat of it , but Nixon created the EPA and steps were taken to prevent it .... Case in point , in the 80's there were less cars in LA but alot more pollution , the Brown cloud over Denver etc .... well now twice as many cars and no where near the pollution , and it didnt kill us , no big tax increase , no armageddon .....
Point is lets wait and see what happens
Now it doesnt matter if the Ice age was comming or not , what does matter is the EPA was created , and the EpA took steps to prevent a ice age , or anything close to it ......I dont know why I am trying , I know you cant fix stupid but I try

[Spider]

We aren't talking about Bush here Spidey, lefties always like to turn the conversation towards Bush because they can't defend their position. Which your position is that Nixon and his EPA policies saved us from the Global Cooling crisis.:spit:

Either way though spider, I looked at your links and it appears you just pulled them out of your ass, no where does it say that Nixon averted the Global Cooling crisis that was looming. Try Again.

LOL since we aresplitting hairs here and playing Semantics ... Global cooling is something you pulled out of your ass ( remember me saying you cant fix stupid ? ) it was an Ice age that was coming .. now you convince me Nixon didnt create the EPA , and the EPA didnt put in steps to stop the ice age , doesnt matter if the threat was real , what Iam trying to say to you is , the EPA acted on the threat .........

[24champ]

LOL just goes to show you cant fix stupid ..reread my post

Now it doesnt matter if the Ice age was comming or not , what does matter is the EPA was created , and the EpA took steps to prevent a ice age , or anything close to it ......I dont know why I am trying , I know you cant fix stupid but I try

HMM...I guess Spider got caught up to speed on the DNC memo on climate change.Ha!

But you said this-

Richard Nixon legacy will always be tainted for watergate , but Nixon did alot of good things ...... Unlike Bush

Did a lot of good things? Like the EPA saving us from the Ice Age?Ha!

ince we aresplitting hairs here and playing Semantics ... Global cooling is something you pulled out of your ass ( remember me saying you cant fix stupid ? ) it was an Ice age that was coming .. now you convince me Nixon didnt create the EPA , and the EPA didnt put in steps to stop the ice age , doesnt matter if the threat was real , what Iam trying to say to you is , the EPA acted on the threat .........


I don't need to convince you anything Spider. Clearly the Diesel fumes you inhale everyday leave you with less and less brain cells to operate with. ROFL!

You said yourself when I asked you to prove that Nixon stopped the global cooling er the looming Ice Age. He didn't stop squat is my point, but you went ahead and said that Nixon did a lot of good things in the White House despite the Watergate scandal. Thus indicating that you think Nixon's EPA Policies were good. You can't fix your spelling, so why are you able to fix stupid?:wave:

[SoCalBronco]

You said yourself when I asked you to prove that Nixon stopped the global cooling er the looming Ice Age. He didn't stop squat is my point, but you went ahead and said that Nixon did a lot of good things in the White House despite the Watergate scandal. Thus indicating that you think Nixon's EPA Policies were good. You can't fix your spelling, so why are you able to fix stupid?:wave:

I don't know whether anyone can make a bold claim like he saved the planet from Global Cooling or anything like that. That requires alot of speculation about alot of information that we do not have. What we do know is that his policies helped the environment in general on a TREMENDOUS level.

He had announced 36 different environmental initiatives in his 1970 State of the Union speech and Congress acted on a number of them. As Spider noted, he had set up the EPA (this is not just a "liberal" thing, this has conservative appeal as well for you: At the time, national environmental policy on the federal level was very inefficient and duplicative, there were 44 different agencies in 9 different departments dealing with these issues, there was a clear need to consolidate and centralize these things in one agency for efficiency as well as other benefits) and also the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). If we are going to talk about the atmosphere and pollution issues, remember he also approved the 1970 Clean Air Act amendments, which is one of the landmark pieces of environmental legislation in our history, as it mandated that automobile manufacturers decrease carbon monoxide and hydrocarbon emissions to at least 90 percent of 1970 levels by 1975 (although there was a bit of relaxation of these standards due to the energy crisis in 74-75) and also mandated that the EPA establish national air quality standards for stationary emission sources.

Tons of legislation were also very helpful in a number of areas: two different Endangered Species Acts (1969 and 1973), the Safe Drinking Water Act of 1974, the Marine Mammal Protection Act of 1972, an extensio nof the Solid Waste Disposal Act, the National Environmental Policy Act of 1969 (technically a 1970 law since it was signed on New Year's Day...mandating for the first time that federal environmental impact statements would be required for all federal projects), the Coastal Zone Management Act of 1972 (designed to protect estuaries) etc. He also gave the states thousands of acres of federal land to be used for parks as part of the "Legacy of Parks" program, which transferred (according to Melvin Small's policy intensive account of his presidency) over 80,000 acres of land, equating into 642 new parks, in addition to sponsoring the development of the Gateway National Recreation Area in NYC and the Golden Gate National Recreation Area in SF.

He also made important contributions in this area internationally: The US hosted the second world conference on Parks in 1972, which resulted in a convention ratified by the US. H ealso signed another international ocean Dumping Convention in 1972. Detente with the USSR also yielded some key environmental achievements: the Seabed Treaty (banning placement of nuclear weapons on the ocean floor) and cooperative agreements on the environment after the Moscow Summit. This whole environmental program actually was not willy nilly liberalism, it was smart, pragmatic and practical too: He also made sure that there would be a cost-benefit analysis calculation applied to environmental measures starting in 1971, and vetoed the Clean Water Act of 1972 because of extreme cost (Nixon was willing to spend 6 billion on the program, which was already four times more than he had requested in his FY budget a few years earlier in 1969, but not the 24 billion the Dems wanted). The Dems overrode his veto and he responded by impounding funds until they reached an acceptable compromise.

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Thanks SoCal ;D

[Spider]

I don't know whether anyone can make a bold claim like he saved the planet from Global Cooling or anything like that. That requires alot of speculation about alot of information that we do not have. What we do know is that his policies helped the environment in general on a TREMENDOUS level.

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;D my point was it didnt matter of the Ice age was true or not , the EPA was created , and as you pointed out several steps were taken , an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure

[Spider]

HMM...I guess Spider got caught up to speed on the DNC memo on climate change.Ha!

But you said this-



Did a lot of good things? Like the EPA saving us from the Ice Age?Ha!




I don't need to convince you anything Spider. Clearly the Diesel fumes you inhale everyday leave you with less and less brain cells to operate with. ROFL!

You said yourself when I asked you to prove that Nixon stopped the global cooling er the looming Ice Age. He didn't stop squat is my point, but you went ahead and said that Nixon did a lot of good things in the White House despite the Watergate scandal. Thus indicating that you think Nixon's EPA Policies were good. You can't fix your spelling, so why are you able to fix stupid?:wave:

LOL you act as if being clueless is a virtue

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LOL you act as if being clueless is a virtue

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What is it about Bush apologists and the way they wear their willfull ignorance like badges of honor?

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Is it possible for Huckabee to beat McCain?

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[Spider]

:laugh:

What is it about Bush apologists and the way they wear their willfull ignorance like badges of honor?

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;D he is young , he is learning his history from the likes of Sean Insanity , Limbaughs ......

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;D he is young , he is learning his history from the likes of Sean Insanity , Limbaughs ......

Yep, those guys definitely supply the Kool-Aid the Bush Youth have been nurtured on.

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Too bad the Huckster's son isn't running - he could bank W*GS' vote. ;)

Huckabee's Son Arrested With Handgun

Republican Presidential Candidate Mike Huckabee's Son Arrested With Gun at Arkansas Airport

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By ANDREW DeMILLO Associated Press Writer
LITTLE ROCK, Ark. Apr 26, 2007 (AP)

David Huckabee, a son of Republican presidential candidate Mike Huckabee, was arrested at an Arkansas airport Thursday after a federal X-ray technician detected a loaded Glock pistol in his carry-on luggage.

"I removed the bag and asked Mr. Huckabee if he knew what he had in the bag," Little Rock police officer Arthur Nugent wrote in a report after being summoned to a security checkpoint. "He replied he did now."

Huckabee, 26, later pleaded guilty in Little Rock District Court after being charged with a misdemeanor count of possessing a weapon in a prohibited place.

"It was a silly mistake," Huckabee told reporters as he left the Pulaski County Jail. When asked whether it would affect his father's presidential campaign, Huckabee responded, "It shouldn't."

District Judge Lee Munson gave Huckabee a one-year suspended jail sentence and ordered him into 10 days of community service which Huckabee can avoid by paying $100. Huckabee will be on probation for a year. Fines and costs totaled $855.

The son of the former Arkansas governor held a concealed weapons permit at the time of the incident but state police are taking steps to revoke it. The elder Huckabee, who said last week that Virginia Tech gunman Seung-Hui Cho perhaps could have been stopped if a teacher or student had also been armed, also has a concealed weapons permit.

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