Holy OUCH!

[Taco John]

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[Bronco Bob]

What a bunch of crap. You know what this so-called restriction on gun owners John McCain voted yes on?

The Child Safety Lock Amendment!!!

<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="text">Bill Number: S 397
Issue: Gun Issues (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote.php?type=get_years&state_code=NA&search_1=37)
Date: 07/28/2005
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Roll Call Number: 207
Amendment Adopted (Senate)
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Official Title of Legislation:

S AMDT 1626 to S 397: To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to require the provision of a child safety lock in connection with the transfer of a handgun.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

[I]Vote to adopt an amendment that requires all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices.

Highlights:

- Provides immunity from a civil liability action to individuals who lawfully possess handguns and use secure gun storage or safety devices

- Imposes penalties for violations, including license suspension of at least six months, license revocation, or a maximum fine of $2,500</td></tr></tbody></table>


It sickening that these a-hole 2nd amendment freaks are so fanatical
they want to put children's lives in danger by not being required to
install locking devices on their substitute penises.

[Bronco Bob]

Yeah, Obama and Hillary voted yes on it too. Maybe both of them, being
parents, they have more of a vested intestest in keeping children alive
than the kind of gun nut that would refuse to put a gun lock on his substitute
penis because it violates his "rights."

[Spider]

What a bunch of crap. You know what this so-called restriction on gun owners John McCain voted yes on?

The Child Safety Lock Amendment!!!

<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="text">Bill Number: S 397
Issue: Gun Issues (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote.php?type=get_years&state_code=NA&search_1=37)
Date: 07/28/2005
<!--Sponsor:Amendment: Sen Kohl, Herb [WI]; Original Bill: Sen Craig, Larry E. (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/bio.php?can_id=)
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Roll Call Number: 207
Amendment Adopted (Senate)
How members voted (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=V3594)
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Official Title of Legislation:

S AMDT 1626 to S 397: To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to require the provision of a child safety lock in connection with the transfer of a handgun.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

[I]Vote to adopt an amendment that requires all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices.

Highlights:

- Provides immunity from a civil liability action to individuals who lawfully possess handguns and use secure gun storage or safety devices

- Imposes penalties for violations, including license suspension of at least six months, license revocation, or a maximum fine of $2,500</td></tr></tbody></table>


It sickening that these a-hole 2nd amendment freaks are so fanatical
they want to put children's lives in danger by not being required to
install locking devices on their substitute penises.

Hilarious! it is politics , truth has no bearing on anything here

[Taco John]

Hmm... If Obama beats Hillary, I think a lot of Hillary voters will switch to McCain.

[Bronco Bob]

Hmm... If Obama beats Hillary, I think a lot of Hillary voters will switch to McCain.

I'm sorely tempted. At least with McCain you know what you are getting.
Obama is just another Jimmy Carter waiting to happen that is going to
set the Democrats back another 12 years. If McCain wins maybe
the Democrats will come to their senses and nominate a real candidate
in 2012 instead of a media creation pretty face.

[Taco John]

I'm sorely tempted. At least with McCain you know what you are getting.
Obama is just another Jimmy Carter waiting to happen that is going to
set the Democrats back another 12 years. If McCain wins maybe
the Democrats will come to their senses and nominate a real candidate
in 2012 instead of a media creation pretty face.


I don't see what anybody sees in Hillary. Seems like a woman who will say anything you want to hear.

[Bronco Bob]

I don't see what anybody sees in Hillary. Seems like a woman who will say anything you want to hear.

And Ron Paul isn't saying what you want to hear?
I see in Hillary someone who knows what they are
doing and knows how to get it done. All I see
in Obama are words that make his followers feel
good, but aren't really saying anything.
Yes We Can - do what?
Ready For Change - how are you going to do it?

[Florida_Bronco]

What a bunch of crap. You know what this so-called restriction on gun owners John McCain voted yes on?

The Child Safety Lock Amendment!!!

<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="text">Bill Number: S 397
Issue: Gun Issues (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote.php?type=get_years&state_code=NA&search_1=37)
Date: 07/28/2005
<!--Sponsor:Amendment: Sen Kohl, Herb [WI]; Original Bill: Sen Craig, Larry E. (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/bio.php?can_id=)
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Roll Call Number: 207
Amendment Adopted (Senate)
How members voted (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=V3594)
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Official Title of Legislation:

S AMDT 1626 to S 397: To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to require the provision of a child safety lock in connection with the transfer of a handgun.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

[I]Vote to adopt an amendment that requires all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices.

Highlights:

- Provides immunity from a civil liability action to individuals who lawfully possess handguns and use secure gun storage or safety devices

- Imposes penalties for violations, including license suspension of at least six months, license revocation, or a maximum fine of $2,500</td></tr></tbody></table>


It sickening that these a-hole 2nd amendment freaks are so fanatical
they want to put children's lives in danger by not being required to
install locking devices on their substitute penises.

You have no clue what you are talking about.

S.397 Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill
A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others.

This bill protects the gun makers and dealers from being held liable for the misuse of their products and has nothing to do with installing locking devices on firearms.

This law also appears that it would require that a safety lock be sold with every firearm. Proper and safe firearm storage in the responsibility of the firearm owner, not the firearm maker or dealer.

[Bronco Bob]

You have no clue what you are talking about.

.

Sorry, my friend, it is you that doesn't know what he is talking about.

The Child Safety Lock Amendment S 397 is an amendment to the Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill S 397.


Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill S 397 03/02/2004
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3371&can_id=53270

Clinton voted No, McCain voted Yes, Obama hadn't been elected yet.


Child Safety Lock Amendment S 397 07/28/2005
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3594&can_id=53270

Clinton, Obama, and McCain voted Yes.


In 2006 the Senate again voted on the Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill S 397 07/29/2005
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3597&can_id=9490

Clinton and Obama voted No, McCain voted Yes.


So the only vote McCain voted the same as Obama and Clinton was the
Child Safety Lock Amendment S 397.

[Florida_Bronco]

Sorry, my friend, it is you that doesn't know what he is talking about.

The Child Safety Lock Amendment S 397 is an amendment to the Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill S 397.


Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill S 397 03/02/2004
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3371&can_id=53270

Clinton voted No, McCain voted Yes, Obama hadn't been elected yet.


Child Safety Lock Amendment S 397 07/28/2005
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3594&can_id=53270

Clinton, Obama, and McCain voted Yes.


In 2006 the Senate again voted on the Firearms Manufacturers Protection bill S 397 07/29/2005
http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=V3597&can_id=9490

Clinton and Obama voted No, McCain voted Yes.


So the only vote McCain voted the same as Obama and Clinton was the
Child Safety Lock Amendment S 397.

I know what the bill is, I take offense with this idiotic statement. Doesn't matter who voted for it.


It sickening that these a-hole 2nd amendment freaks are so fanatical
they want to put children's lives in danger by not being required to
install locking devices on their substitute penises.

This law has nothing to do with gun owners putting safety locks on their guns, it protects the manufactures and dealers from being held liable for misuse of firearms they sell.

[Spider]

Hmm... If Obama beats Hillary, I think a lot of Hillary voters will switch to McCain.
Actually most of the Dems I have heard will support either one , there really is no real animosity between the 2 camps ....... I listen to alot of talk Radio ..... Lot of people calling in .... I mean alot more

[Bronco Bob]

I know what the bill is, I take offense with this idiotic statement. Doesn't matter who voted for it.




This law has nothing to do with gun owners putting safety locks on their guns, it protects the manufactures and dealers from being held liable for misuse of firearms they sell.

So why say that McCain is pushing for restrictions on gun ownership
without giving the context? Other than to appeal to the afore
mentioned crowd.

[Florida_Bronco]

So why say that McCain is pushing for restrictions on gun ownership
without giving the context? Other than to appeal to the afore
mentioned crowd.

You don't get it, do you?

I take offense to YOUR comments about firearm owners and 2nd amendment advocates. It was some of the worst crap I've seen spewed on here in regards to firearms.

[Bronco Bob]

You don't get it, do you?

I take offense to YOUR comments about firearm owners and 2nd amendment advocates. It was some of the worst crap I've seen spewed on here in regards to firearms.

So you have no problem with McCain's record being distorted then.
You are just sticking up for the people who would rather see a
child get killed than have any kind of control on their guns.
Otherwise what's the problem with McCain's record on guns
and why is it a problem that he voted to have locking devices
installed on them? Not everyone is Matt Dillon. There are some
stupid, careless people out there. And some own guns.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yeah, Obama and Hillary voted yes on it too. Maybe both of them, being
parents, they have more of a vested intestest in keeping children alive
than the kind of gun nut that would refuse to put a gun lock on his substitute
penis because it violates his "rights."

Ouch!

That had to hurt if you're W*GS. Ha!

[Florida_Bronco]

So you have no problem with McCain's record being distorted then.
You are just sticking up for the people who would rather see a
child get killed than have any kind of control on their guns.
Otherwise what's the problem with McCain's record on guns
and why is it a problem that he voted to have locking devices
installed on them? Not everyone is Matt Dillon. There are some
stupid, careless people out there. And some own guns.

Can you not read, or are you trying to be this thick headed?

[Kaylore]

So we have Republicans would vote for Obama to screw McCain and then we have Democrats who would vote for McCain to stop Obama. :rofl:

[snowspot66]

That is the state of American politics these days. We would rather have our preferred party lose than to be blamed for the inevitable four ****ty years to follow.

[Taco John]

And Ron Paul isn't saying what you want to hear?

No. Ron Paul votes the way that I think a congressman should vote. I like Ron Paul's words, but his action is what I like best about him.


I see in Hillary someone who knows what they are
doing and knows how to get it done. All I see
in Obama are words that make his followers feel
good, but aren't really saying anything.
Yes We Can - do what?
Ready For Change - how are you going to do it?

I see in Hillary someone who knows what they're doing alright... And most of it has to do with duping people into believing stuff that isn't true.

[Chupacabra]

John McCain has the potential to have the best one-term of any President in our lifetime. The man wants to get things done and he will.

Barack Obama may be one of the most talented politicians in our lifetime, but will prove to be (as someone earlier noted) in over his head much like Jimmy Carter.

Billary Clinton is certainly prepared for the job, but will not be able to beat McCain in the GE.

[baja]

BB - the kind of gun nut that would refuse to put a gun lock on his substitute
penis because it violates his "rights."

Ouch!

LABF - That had to hurt if you're W*GS.
__________________

I disagree that would not hurt Wags because he has no use for a penis.

j/k W*GS

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I disagree that would not hurt Wags because he has no use for a penis.

j/k W*GS

:giggle: ^5

[rugbythug]

What a bunch of crap. You know what this so-called restriction on gun owners John McCain voted yes on?

The Child Safety Lock Amendment!!!

<table cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td class="text">Bill Number: S 397
Issue: Gun Issues (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote.php?type=get_years&state_code=NA&search_1=37)
Date: 07/28/2005
<!--Sponsor:Amendment: Sen Kohl, Herb [WI]; Original Bill: Sen Craig, Larry E. (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/bio.php?can_id=)
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Roll Call Number: 207
Amendment Adopted (Senate)
How members voted (http://www.votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_member.php?cs_id=V3594)
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Official Title of Legislation:

S AMDT 1626 to S 397: To amend chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, to require the provision of a child safety lock in connection with the transfer of a handgun.

Project Vote Smart's Synopsis:

[I]Vote to adopt an amendment that requires all licensed importers, manufacturers and dealers who engage in the transfer of handguns to provide secure gun storage or safety devices.

Highlights:

- Provides immunity from a civil liability action to individuals who lawfully possess handguns and use secure gun storage or safety devices

- Imposes penalties for violations, including license suspension of at least six months, license revocation, or a maximum fine of $2,500</td></tr></tbody></table>


It sickening that these a-hole 2nd amendment freaks are so fanatical
they want to put children's lives in danger by not being required to
install locking devices on their substitute penises.

Why would I want to put a lock on a device I use for protection? It is a parents responsibility to care for their children. The Gov't does a crappy job of it. I grew up in a house with many many guns. Oddly enough no one was killed by them because we knew how to handle them. However one day after watching a zero episode my brother and I got in a sword fight with butcher knives. A trip to the ER for finger stitches followed. Should Knives be less sharp or just banned altogether??