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frerottenextelway

02-08-2008, 06:56 PM

David Shuster of MSNBC was suspended today for saying the Clintons had ''pimped out'' their daughter when they had her placing calls to super delegates on their behalf. Shuster said this on the ''Tucker'' show yesterday, and MSNBC was served with a threat from some in Clinton campaign that they would boycot the upcoming debate from Ohio on MSNBC if action wasn't taken.

First off, ''pimped out'' isn't a deregatory term. It's a generational term that's gone from somewhat offensive a full decade ago, to semi-flattering today. Second off, this came on a pundit show, not straight reporting. A pundit show is where you're supposed to give controversial straight-talk opinions, not straight unbiased reporting.

Don't get me wrong, Shuster is a complete stooge, one of my least liked reporters, but this is a joke.

Also, there's clearly a conflict within MSNBC, where some anchors (Mathews, Scarboro, Tucker) are pulling for Obama, but the higher-ups (including Abrams) are clearly behind Hillary (ie., an hour long fluff piece biography on Hillary's life aired in prime time yesterday).

Taco John

02-08-2008, 07:15 PM

In fairness, Schuster sucks too.

frerottenextelway

02-08-2008, 07:21 PM

In fairness, Schuster sucks too.

In fairness, I said that.

TexanBob

02-08-2008, 07:29 PM

My best laugh was when someone pointed out that Schuster also got the phrase wrong. The Clintons might be accused of "pimping" their daughter (although candidate's children have been a staple of recent presidential campaigning), "pimping out" their daughter would mean fixing her up with big rims, a loud stereo system and a fancy paint job.

Blueflame

02-08-2008, 07:29 PM

David Shuster of MSNBC was suspended today for saying the Clintons had ''pimped out'' their daughter when they had her placing calls to super delegates on their behalf. Shuster said this on the ''Tucker'' show yesterday, and MSNBC was served with a threat from some in Clinton campaign that they would boycot the upcoming debate from Ohio on MSNBC if action wasn't taken.

First off, ''pimped out'' isn't a deregatory term. It's a generational term that's gone from somewhat offensive a full decade ago, to semi-flattering today. Second off, this came on a pundit show, not straight reporting. A pundit show is where you're supposed to give controversial straight-talk opinions, not straight unbiased reporting.

Don't get me wrong, Shuster is a complete stooge, one of my least liked reporters, but this is a joke.

Also, there's clearly a conflict within MSNBC, where some anchors (Mathews, Scarboro, Tucker) are pulling for Obama, but the higher-ups (including Abrams) are clearly behind Hillary (ie., an hour long fluff piece biography on Hillary's life aired in prime time yesterday).

It's understandable for a parent to be offended with that particular terminology used in reference to their daughter. In the context that was used, it certainly appears to have been intended to demean.

Bronco Bob

02-08-2008, 08:34 PM

Keith Olbermann made a big apology to the Clintons on behalf of NBC today on Countdown.

Bronco Bob

02-08-2008, 11:45 PM

frerottenextelway

02-08-2008, 11:58 PM

It's understandable for a parent to be offended with that particular terminology used in reference to their daughter. In the context that was used, it certainly appears to have been intended to demean.

With all due respect Blue, to peeps above 35 it may come across demeaning, to most below 35 I don't think it's negative at all, certainly not demaining in the traditional sense of the word pimp.

Me and my wife (Clinton gal, yay) watched him host Tucker last night, and I told her today that Shuster was suspended for that. She's like, 'I didn't even know he was insulting her'.

I don't know, that's at least my opinion.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 12:01 AM

My best laugh was when someone pointed out that Schuster also got the phrase wrong. The Clintons might be accused of "pimping" their daughter (although candidate's children have been a staple of recent presidential campaigning), "pimping out" their daughter would mean fixing her up with big rims, a loud stereo system and a fancy paint job.

Nah, the phrase is right.

enjolras

02-09-2008, 12:10 AM

To me it's very similiar to the Kelly Tillman "lynching" episode a few weeks ago. A word that has very strong meaning to some, but something VERY different for others.

It seems like everyone is way to damn sensitive these days.

Bronco Bob

02-09-2008, 12:19 AM

To me it's very similiar to the Kelly Tillman "lynching" episode a few weeks ago. A word that has very strong meaning to some, but something VERY different for others.

It seems like everyone is way to damn sensitive these days.

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I dunno, saying they ought to lynch Tiger Woods in a back alley does
sound way out of bounds to me. These people are professionals.
They are paid to talk. They ought to think about what they are saying.

Blueflame

02-09-2008, 12:23 AM

With all due respect Blue, to peeps above 35 it may come across demeaning, to most below 35 I don't think it's negative at all, certainly not demaining in the traditional sense of the word pimp.

Me and my wife (Clinton gal, yay) watched him host Tucker last night, and I told her today that Shuster was suspended for that. She's like, 'I didn't even know he was insulting her'.

I don't know, that's at least my opinion.

The context (in the clip BroncoBob posted above) certainly wasn't positive. The person who said it seemed to want to suggest that Chelsea's public appearances in support of her mother were not of her own volition, but rather that she was being coerced into making them. It's not unusual in today's political arena to see children campaigning for their parents and in most cases, that is not questioned; it's expected. Michelle Obama is currently in Washington state campaigning for her husband... don't you think it would be offensive to almost everyone if any political commentator suggested he was "pimping" her? I can assure you, it would spark controversy.

At any rate, it would definitely offend me if anyone used the word "pimp" and my daughter's name in the same sentence... unless they were talking about customizing her automobile.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 12:30 AM

The context (in the clip BroncoBob posted above) certainly wasn't positive. The person who said it seemed to want to suggest that Chelsea's public appearances in support of her mother were not of her own volition, but rather that she was being coerced into making them. It's not unusual in today's political arena to see children campaigning for their parents and in most cases, that is not questioned; it's expected. Michelle Obama is currently in Washington state campaigning for her husband... don't you think it would be offensive to almost everyone if any political commentator suggested he was "pimping" her? I can assure you, it would spark controversy.

At any rate, it would definitely offend me if anyone used the word "pimp" and my daughter's name in the same sentence... unless they were talking about customizing her automobile.

"Doesn't it seem like Chelsea is being used by her parents to promote their campaign?"

Is that offensive or negative? Because at least to me, and I think my generation, that's 100% synonymous with what he said.

Now, I understand from your generation (please don't take offense at that :)), it comes across as ''aren't they treating their daughter like a prostitute'', but that's just isn't what it means anymore. It doesn't mean anything like that.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 12:32 AM

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 12:39 AM

To me it's very similiar to the Kelly Tillman "lynching" episode a few weeks ago. A word that has very strong meaning to some, but something VERY different for others.

It seems like everyone is way to damn sensitive these days.

Btw, that's a great analogy. I was trying to think of one, but couldn't. ESPN is a bunch of dooshes for suspending her over that too, she was clearly not only not insulting Tiger, but attempting to compliment him on his dominance.

Bronco Bob

02-09-2008, 12:42 AM

"Doesn't it seem like Chelsea is being used by her parents to promote their campaign?"

Is that offensive or negative? Because at least to me, and I think my generation, that's 100% synonymous with what he said.

Now, I understand from your generation (please don't take offense at that :)), it comes across as ''aren't they treating their daughter like a prostitute'', but that's just isn't what it means anymore. It doesn't mean anything like that.

When Barack and Michelle bring their kids up on stage, are their children
being used to promote Obama's campaign? How come no one at
MSNBC questions that? At least Chelsea is an adult and can make
her own decisions on where she goes.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 12:53 AM

When Barack and Michelle bring their kids up on stage, are their children
being used to promote Obama's campaign? How come no one at
MSNBC questions that? At least Chelsea is an adult and can make
her own decisions on where she goes.

1.) Have they even brought their kids on stage?

2.) What's offensive, the point, or the wording - because he got suspended for the wording not the point behind it.

Bronco Bob

02-09-2008, 12:59 AM

1.) Have they even brought their kids on stage?

Yes.

2.) What's offensive, the point, or the wording - because he got suspended for the wording not the point behind it.
Both. Why even go there in the first place. Other than MSNBC's
continued attempt to derail the Clinton campaign. Did MSNBC
complain about Romney's sons? Did the fact that some of
Giuliani's children were against him get much mention?
Do any of the other candidates even have children?

Blueflame

02-09-2008, 01:01 AM

"Doesn't it seem like Chelsea is being used by her parents to promote their campaign?"

Is that offensive or negative? Because at least to me, and I think my generation, that's 100% synonymous with what he said.

Now, I understand from your generation (please don't take offense at that :)), it comes across as ''aren't they treating their daughter like a prostitute'', but that's just isn't what it means anymore. It doesn't mean anything like that.

The hypothetical re-statement would still suggest that Chelsea does not want to support her mother's campaign... that she's being forced to do it. Other candidates' offspring customarily campaign for them (Bush's twins, Kerry's daughters, Romney's sons, just to name a few) and no such remark is made; it's accepted at face value and expected. As it should be with Chelsea. The comment suggests that the parents may be objectifying their daughter and just seeing her as "an asset to be used" regardless of her own wishes. And what kind of daughter wouldn't want to (would have to be forced to) support her mother's campaign? The listener could easily conclude that he's hinting that Hillary's political ambitions left her lacking as a parent... that even her own daughter doesn't really want to campaign for her. Yeah, it was negative.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 01:20 AM

The hypothetical re-statement would still suggest that Chelsea does not want to support her mother's campaign... that she's being forced to do it. Other candidates' offspring customarily campaign for them (Bush's twins, Kerry's daughters, Romney's sons, just to name a few) and no such remark is made; it's accepted at face value and expected. As it should be with Chelsea. The comment suggests that the parents may be objectifying their daughter and just seeing her as "an asset to be used" regardless of her own wishes. And what kind of daughter wouldn't want to (would have to be forced to) support her mother's campaign? The listener could easily conclude that he's hinting that Hillary's political ambitions left her lacking as a parent... that even her own daughter doesn't really want to campaign for her. Yeah, it was negative.

It's not really a hypothetical restatement, more of a rewording it in traditional words to put it in what I view, proper context for you. The point is, there's a big difference between disagreeing with an opinion on an opinion show, and finding a comment vulgar. You seem to be arguing that his point is wrong. Thing is, he didn't get suspended for having a wrong opinion. He got suspended for being vulgar. My point is that it wasn't vulgar, not that he was right. I mean, like I said, I don't really like the guy because I rarely agree with him, but the comment wasn't vulgar.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 01:22 AM

Yes.

Both. Why even go there in the first place. Other than MSNBC's
continued attempt to derail the Clinton campaign. Did MSNBC
complain about Romney's sons? Did the fact that some of
Giuliani's children were against him get much mention?
Do any of the other candidates even have children?

MSNBC ran an entire hour fluff piece on Hillary growing up as a tough girl in a men's world last night, in prime time. They made the decision not go to live news coverage of the shootings to show this. Like I said, some anchors are in Obama's corner, but the higher-ups clearly aren't. The notion that there's a conspiarcy at NBC to bring down Hillary is absurd.

Blueflame

02-09-2008, 01:31 AM

It's not really a hypothetical restatement, more of a rewording it in traditional words to put it in what I view, proper context for you. The point is, there's a big difference between disagreeing with an opinion on an opinion show, and finding a comment vulgar. You seem to be arguing that his point is wrong. Thing is, he didn't get suspended for having a wrong opinion. He got suspended for being vulgar. My point is that it wasn't vulgar, not that he was right. I mean, like I said, I don't really like the guy because I rarely agree with him, but the comment wasn't vulgar.

In which case, he should have worded the remark more wisely. However, it would still be offensive if the only candidate (of many whose offspring have been active in their campaigns) who is accused of "pimping" her daughter happens to be female. If he's successful in questioning her parenting skills (without coming right out and saying it; just the hint that she might have been too politically ambitious to be a good mother can be equally effective), it might erode her support even among female voters. It was a low blow.

Blueflame

02-09-2008, 01:33 AM

MSNBC ran an entire hour fluff piece on Hillary growing up as a tough girl in a men's world last night, in prime time. They made the decision not go to live news coverage of the shootings to show this. Like I said, some anchors are in Obama's corner, but the higher-ups clearly aren't. The notion that there's a conspiarcy at NBC to bring down Hillary is absurd.

The individual who made the remark clearly isn't pro-Hillary.

Just as a side note.... for the record, I already voted in the primary... and it was a candidate other than Hillary who received my vote.

TheDave

02-09-2008, 01:36 AM

just another example of the bizarre overly PC world we live in...

Kinda reminds me of that South Park episode where they took out everything that offended anyone from their Christmas celebration... they were left with an aluminum pole...

very festivas of them...:)

Bronco Bob

02-09-2008, 01:37 AM

MSNBC ran an entire hour fluff piece on Hillary growing up as a tough girl in a men's world last night, in prime time. They made the decision not go to live news coverage of the shootings to show this. Like I said, some anchors are in Obama's corner, but the higher-ups clearly aren't. The notion that there's a conspiarcy at NBC to bring down Hillary is absurd.

Did you ever stop to consider that because of people like Madman Matthews
and his hour long sexist rants against Hillary these past several months
and the more recent pilings on by Russet and Olbermann that MSNBC is
starting to take a lot of heat from the women out in the country and
the higher ups are now starting to do a little back peddling before
they lose all their female audience? That the Hillary piece was just
throwing the women of this country a bone.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 01:52 AM

Did you ever stop to consider that because of people like Madman Matthews
and his hour long sexist rants against Hillary these past several months
and the more recent pilings on by Russet and Olbermann that MSNBC is
starting to take a lot of heat from the women out in the country and
the higher ups are now starting to do a little back peddling before
they lose all their female audience? That the Hillary piece was just
throwing the women of this country a bone.

So Olbermann is a sexist who hates Hillary because she's a woman now too? Really, lets just put this bluntly, if anything gets said negative about ''your candidate'' you feel it's slanted and unfair because you have an unnatural passion for their campaign.

As for the higher-ups at MSNBC, that includes Dan Abrams who is a big wig there. He is clearly pulling for Hillary every bit as much as Mathews is pulling for Obama. The difference between us is that I can say Mathews is pulling for Obama, but you couldn't do the same for Abrams.

And as for Mathews pulling for Obama, you should be forever thankful, as that is what many, many people think caused the backlash to have her win New Hampshire. And if she lost New Hampshire, she would've gave her concession speech by now. He may be, ironically, the single biggest boost to her campaign.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 01:57 AM

The individual who made the remark clearly isn't pro-Hillary.

Just as a side note.... for the record, I already voted in the primary... and it was a candidate other than Hillary who received my vote.

Ron Paul. ::) ... ;)

Jftr, I believe these things:

1.) DS comment wasn't sexist or vulgar
2.) DS is a stooge
3.) DS, clearly a democrat, supports HC despite that comment
4.) I disagree w/ you because I think you see the word "pimp" from a different generation, but you'll always be one of my favorite posters on here.

Cheers. :)

Bronco Bob

02-09-2008, 02:01 AM

Bottom line is Shuster thinks "pimped out" is appropriate terminology for
a journalist covering an important presidential campaign. This guy fails to
realize he isn't sitting around chatting with buddies over a beer,
he's AT WORK operating in what's supposed to be a professional
capacity--he's representing his employer! No matter if you Hillary
haters think it is cute or no big deal, it's still wrong.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 02:10 AM

Bottom line is Shuster thinks "pimped out" is appropriate terminology for
a journalist covering an important presidential campaign. This guy fails to
realize he isn't sitting around chatting with buddies over a beer,
he's AT WORK operating in what's supposed to be a professional
capacity--he's representing his employer! No matter if you Hillary
haters think it is cute or no big deal, it's still wrong.

If he was doing straight reporting, I would agree with you to a point. He was hosting Tucker, which is a (conservative) opinion show. If any blame should go anywhere imo, it should be on NBC for having straight reporters host opinion shows. I mean, Tucker calls the Clinton's socialists, literally, on a regular basis, I'm pretty sure that's much "over-the-line" than DS's comment.

And I think you're quoting of ''pimped out'' goes back to a drastic change in the meaning of the phrase. Really, people might disagree w/ his point, but the anger comes from the phrase.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 02:19 AM

Shuster's response by email to the Clinton campaign before being forced to apologize by NBC:

-----Original Message-----
From: Philippe Reines
To: David Shuster
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 7:14 p.m.

David - how hard is it for someone, anyone, in the vast MS/NBC universe to contact any one of us at the campaign for comment about Chelsea before going on air and saying that she is being "pimped out" ? It's absurdly offensive. And what the hell does that even mean?

Philippe Reines
Press Secretary
Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton

-----Original Message-----
From: David Shuster
To: Philippe Reines
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 8:51 p.m.

Nice to hear from you, philippe.

It is a fact that chelsea has made calls to superdelegates, as your campaign colleagues have acknowledged. It is also a fact that the campaign has reacted quite harshly to any media who have sought to interview chelsea. That was the point. By slamming any reporter who seeks to chat with chelsea while simultaneously having chelsea do campaign tasks such as trying to convince super delegates to support her mom, that's the reference.

Chelsea is polite and does a fine job of saying "I don't want to talk.". But for campaign staff to then jump down the throat of a reporter who seeks to talk to chelsea...that's an issue.

---- my comment - so the campaign finds it offensive and doesn't even know what it means... interesting. Nothing more than a sympathy ploy to get votes.

Blueflame

02-09-2008, 02:29 AM

Ron Paul. ::) ... ;)

Jftr, I believe these things:

1.) DS comment wasn't sexist or vulgar
2.) DS is a stooge
3.) DS, clearly a democrat, supports HC despite that comment
4.) I disagree w/ you because I think you see the word "pimp" from a different generation, but you'll always be one of my favorite posters on here.

Cheers. :)

Well, I perceive it this way:

1.) If DS had said Romney was "pimping" his sons, then perhaps it would have been less controversial. It's of very questionable acceptability in reference to the female offspring of a female candidate, however.
2.) We agree. DS is a stooge. Or at least that remark was unprofessional at best.
3.) I dunno. Maybe. I wasn't in the voting booth with him.:P
4.) Word definitions and common usages do evolve... and perhaps Chelsea wasn't offended. It would be totally understandable if her parents were, though.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

02-09-2008, 04:43 AM

Now, I understand from your generation (please don't take offense at that :)), it comes across as ''aren't they treating their daughter like a prostitute'', but that's just isn't what it means anymore. It doesn't mean anything like that.

That's incorrect.

"Pimping" or "pimped out" means one thing when used in reference to an automobile or some other inanimate object. However, these words mean something altogether different when used in reference to a human being.

This distinction holds true no matter how old you are or what generation you belong to.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 11:49 AM

That's incorrect.

"Pimping" or "pimped out" means one thing when used in reference to an automobile or some other inanimate object. However, these words mean something altogether different when used in reference to a human being.

This distinction holds true no matter how old you are or what generation you belong to.

Not true, it has no connotation of prostitution, which is what peeps are upset over.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

02-09-2008, 07:47 PM

Not true, it has no connotation of prostitution, which is what peeps are upset over.

???

WTF are you talking about?

When used in reference to a human being, prostitution is the only connotation one can infer.

If we were talking about a car or some other inanimate object it would be another story.

frerottenextelway

02-09-2008, 07:58 PM

???

WTF are you talking about?

When used in reference to a human being, prostitution is the only connotation one can infer.

If we were talking about a car or some other inanimate object it would be another story.

Really, that's the only connotation? Don't take my word for it...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pimping

pimping

More commonly used nowadays as making something cool or better.

Yeah, I was totally pimping up my profile today!

pimping

To strongly promote and support a certain thing.

pimping

The act of singling out one person of the group and testing their knowledge by asking them a series of intense, difficult questions in front of everyone.

Pimping the interns and medical students was a given during rounds.

Edit: Some more for pimped

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pimped

pimped

1. To utterly destroy your competition

pimped

to have been used and abused

You've been pimped and don't even know it!

Like I said...

Bronco Jamus

02-09-2008, 08:40 PM

It's understandable for a parent to be offended with that particular terminology used in reference to their daughter. In the context that was used, it certainly appears to have been intended to demean.

How about when Bill Clinton demeaned Mister and Mrs Lewinski's daughter in the Oval Office?

Bronco Bob

02-09-2008, 09:11 PM

How about when Bill Clinton demeaned Mister and Mrs Lewinski's daughter in the Oval Office?

There is a big difference between consensual sex between two adults
in private and a national television correspondent getting on national
TV and making insulting remarks about a president and United States
Senator's daughter.

rugbythug

02-09-2008, 09:28 PM

what about getting on TV and calling her that Woman? Saying she was a liar and such. Would that be worse?

Besides they are pimping her out is it even a big deal? Romney pimped out like 7 of his kids nobody said anything.

Bronco Bob

02-09-2008, 09:44 PM

Besides they are pimping her out is it even a big deal? Romney pimped out like 7 of his kids nobody said anything.

No they are not. That is utter nonsense. Chelsea loves her mother.
Of course she is going to be out campaigning to try to get her mother
elected. By saying "pimping out" MSNBC makes it sound like Chelsea is
being forced to campaign against her will for her mother.
That's sort of the bone on contention. No one said anything when it was
Romney doing it. MSNBC hates the Clintons so everything the Clintons
do is spun negatively on MSNBC.

rugbythug

02-09-2008, 10:19 PM

It is not a big deal. A made up deal to get made about IMO. Not like this is the worst thing people have said about the Clintons in General or Chelsea in specific. The Clintons sling more mud than pig pen then scream if some splatters on them.

baja

02-09-2008, 10:22 PM

No they are not. That is utter nonsense. Chelsea loves her mother.
Of course she is going to be out campaigning to try to get her mother
elected. By saying "pimping out" MSNBC makes it sound like Chelsea is
being forced to campaign against her will for her mother.
That's sort of the bone on contention. No one said anything when it was
Romney doing it. MSNBC hates the Clintons so everything the Clintons
do is spun negatively on MSNBC.

I don't think so...

Ever watch Keith Olbermann?

Bronco Bob

02-09-2008, 10:52 PM

Clinton Campaign Not Looking for Shuster to Be Fired, After All

February 09, 2008 9:07 PM
Lee Speigel

After some conversations with folks at the Clinton campaign,
I can offer some clarity -- maybe -- on what they're asking NBC/MSNBC to do.

And despite Clinton's letter, saying David Martin Shuster's apology and
suspension was not sufficient, Clinton's goal is not for NBC to fire Shuster,
he and his fans will be happy to hear. Until Thursday, the Clinton campaign
had no issues with Shuster, I'm told.

The campaign says it has more to do with what it sees as a sexist, locker
room, on-air atmosphere at MSNBC.

Clinton supporters ask: what other network has had, within the space of
one year, because of comments widely seen as boorish and inappropriate,
a firing (Imus), an on-air apology (Chris Matthews) and a suspension
(Shuster)?

Clinton, who has been on the receiving end in two of those incidents,
is taking a stand for MSNBC to clean up its act. Or, so Camp Clinton says.

Of course, others might think she is capitalizing on an ugly moment to
galvanize female voters.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/clinton-campa-1.html

Blueflame

02-10-2008, 02:38 AM

How about when Bill Clinton demeaned Mister and Mrs Lewinski's daughter in the Oval Office?

The affair between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky (two consenting adults) has absolutely no correlation whatsoever to the topic we're discussing here. If you really feel it's important to rehash something that occurred more than 8 years ago, why not start a new thread instead of hijacking this one?

Blueflame

02-10-2008, 02:41 AM

what about getting on TV and calling her that Woman? Saying she was a liar and such. Would that be worse?

Besides they are pimping her out is it even a big deal? Romney pimped out like 7 of his kids nobody said anything.

Exactly... they saved the "pimping" terminology for the female offspring of a female candidate. No one has ever questioned the offspring of male candidates campaigning for them; that's expected and accepted without commentary.

enjolras

02-10-2008, 03:04 AM

Exactly... they saved the "pimping" terminology for the female offspring of a female candidate. No one has ever questioned the offspring of male candidates campaigning for them; that's expected and accepted without commentary.

Except that I saw a Fox News account suggesting that the Romney boys should be in Iraq instead of being forced onto the campaign trail.

I think this is an issue solely because it WAS a female. If the anchor had said "Romney is simply pimping his boys..." nothing would have come out of it.

This whole thing is such a stupid distraction. It's getting huffy over a rather innocuous word. If the talking head had said "it seems that chelsea clinton is little more than a street walker..", that would be something to talk about. This is nothing.

Everyone needs to stop getting their panties in a wad....

dang it.

I guess I'm just a hopeless sexist too.

Blueflame

02-10-2008, 03:17 AM

Except that I saw a Fox News account suggesting that the Romney boys should be in Iraq instead of being forced onto the campaign trail.

I think this is an issue solely because it WAS a female. If the anchor had said "Romney is simply pimping his boys..." nothing would have come out of it.

This whole thing is such a stupid distraction. It's getting huffy over a rather innocuous word. If the talking head had said "it seems that chelsea clinton is little more than a street walker..", that would be something to talk about. This is nothing.

Everyone needs to stop getting their panties in a wad....

dang it.

I guess I'm just a hopeless sexist too.

You don't think it would have been deemed offensive if a political pundit had said on TV that W was "pimping" the twins during the 2004 campaign?

baja

02-10-2008, 03:23 AM

You don't think it would have been deemed offensive if a political pundit had said on TV that W was "pimping" the twins during the 2004 campaign?

Would that be together?

Blueflame

02-10-2008, 03:39 AM

Would that be together?

Well, they did show up together at more than one Bush photo-op/fundraiser/campaign event. According to some here, saying they were being "pimped" would have been A-ok. But I think the Bush family would have objected vehemently.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN

02-10-2008, 07:10 AM

Really, that's the only connotation? Don't take my word for it...

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pimping

pimping

More commonly used nowadays as making something cool or better.

Yeah, I was totally pimping up my profile today!

pimping

To strongly promote and support a certain thing.

pimping

The act of singling out one person of the group and testing their knowledge by asking them a series of intense, difficult questions in front of everyone.

Pimping the interns and medical students was a given during rounds.

Edit: Some more for pimped

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pimped

pimped

1. To utterly destroy your competition

pimped

to have been used and abused

You've been pimped and don't even know it!

Like I said...

Thanks for making my point for me.

When used to refer to a car or a Myspace profile, "pimping" means one thing.

When used in reference to a human being, it means something altogether different.

Are you honestly trying to convince us that when Shuster used the phrase "pimped out" he had this definition in mind?

More commonly used nowadays as making something cool or better.

(As opposed to the definition that pertains to prostitution?)

Are you trying to convince us that Shuster was trying to say that Chelsea was "trying to make (her mom's campaign) cool or better?"

If so, then I have some ocean front property in Spider's home state that might interest you.