KIRKWOOD, Mo Gunman Opens Fire at City Council Meeting; Several Reported Dead

[TDmvp]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,329767,00.html

Report: Gunman Kills 2 Officers, Shoots Mayor at Meeting in St. Louis Suburb

[Spider]

whew .... for a second there I thought it was someone else ...... I think my heart stopped beating there for a second

[Arkansas Bronco]

whew .... for a second there I thought it was someone else ...... I think my heart stopped beating there for a second

Meck take notes. Just kidding and best of luck to you.

[Meck77]

Nah I'm hammering city council members with facts. They mine as well be bullets the way they look away and run for cover though.

Sad situation in St louis.

[TDmvp]

Nah I'm hammering city council members with facts. They mine as well be bullets the way they look away and run for cover though.

Sad situation in St louis.

get em Meckman ...cuz what they are trying to do to you and other is just the start ....

[Spider]

get em Meckman ...cuz what they are trying to do to you and other is just the start ....

aint that the truth . hell they are even pulling that **** up here in Casper Wyoming of all places ...... miles and miles of nothing but parie land , and they want to **** the people out of their property right here in town

[TexanBob]

My cousins used to live in Kirkwood, MO. It really is a very tame sort of community...at least until tonight.

I wonder if City Hall was one of those "gun-free zones"?

[TDmvp]

My cousins used to live in Kirkwood, MO. It really is a very tame sort of community...at least until tonight.

I wonder if City Hall was one of those "gun-free zones"?

gun free for anyone who could stop someone who breaks the gun free law ... after seeing the story of the lady at the bank that was permitted but didn't bring it into the bank cuz of the gun free law , and someone held up the bank killing her parents ... while her gun was in her car ... seems fair , take away the one thing that could stop this ... a fair person with a gun ...

[Florida_Bronco]

gun free for anyone who could stop someone who breaks the gun free law ... after seeing the story of the lady at the bank that was permitted but didn't bring it into the bank cuz of the gun free law , and someone held up the bank killing her parents ... while her gun was in her car ... seems fair , take away the one thing that could stop this ... a fair person with a gun ...

Exactly. I don't want to use this sad situation to get up on my soapbox, but if history has proven anything it's that "gun free zones" don't stop anything.

[Spider]

gun free for anyone who could stop someone who breaks the gun free law ... after seeing the story of the lady at the bank that was permitted but didn't bring it into the bank cuz of the gun free law , and someone held up the bank killing her parents ... while her gun was in her car ... seems fair , take away the one thing that could stop this ... a fair person with a gun ...

are you sure she could have stopped it ? you can guarantee she doesnt miss and hit an innocent person increasing the death toll ?

[TDmvp]

are you sure she could have stopped it ? you can guarantee she doesnt miss and hit an innocent person increasing the death toll ?

o come on ... i know your a lefty but dont start ... i still love you tho spider ... and i know , you would hit it ... "suzanna hupp" :O) ...


Suzanna Hupp Suzanna Gratia Hupp (born 1959) is a former Republican member of the Texas House of Representatives, who represented traditionally Democratic District 54 (Bell, Burnet, and Lampasas counties) for ten years from 1997-2007. Hupp is recognized as a leading advocate for the Second Amendment and an individual's right to carry a concealed weapon. She was elected to her first term in 1996 but did not seek a sixth two-year term in 2006.

, 1991, Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's in Killeen. She had left her handgun in her car to comply with Texas state law at the time which forbade carrying a concealed weapon. When George Hennard drove his truck into the cafeteria and opened fire on the patrons, Hupp instinctively reached into her purse for her weapon, but it was in her vehicle. Her father, Al Gratia, tried to rush Hennard and was shot in the chest. As the gunman reloaded, Hupp escaped through a broken window and believed that her mother, Ursula Gratia, was behind her. Instead she watched as Hennard killed her parents and twenty-one other persons. He also wounded some twenty others. As a survivor of the Luby's massacre, Hupp testified across the country in support of concealed-handgun laws. She said that had there been a second chance to prevent the slaughter, she would have violated the Texas law and carried the handgun inside her purse into the restaurant.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp

[Florida_Bronco]

are you sure she could have stopped it ? you can guarantee she doesnt miss and hit an innocent person increasing the death toll ?

You raise a good point spider, and when it comes right down to it, it's basically a rhetorical question. However, I can say this...in all of my research into firearms I have never heard of a case where a citzen who was legally carrying a firearm struck another citzen rather than the armed criminal. That's not to say it hasn't happened, but it's minimal at best and the chances of it happening are very small.

[Spider]

o come on ... i know your a lefty but dont start ... i still love you tho spider ... and i know , you would hit it ... "suzanna hupp" :O) ... Yeah I would hit it ;D


Suzanna Hupp Suzanna Gratia Hupp (born 1959) is a former Republican member of the Texas House of Representatives, who represented traditionally Democratic District 54 (Bell, Burnet, and Lampasas counties) for ten years from 1997-2007. Hupp is recognized as a leading advocate for the Second Amendment and an individual's right to carry a concealed weapon. She was elected to her first term in 1996 but did not seek a sixth two-year term in 2006.

, 1991, Hupp and her parents were having lunch at the Luby's in Killeen. She had left her handgun in her car to comply with Texas state law at the time which forbade carrying a concealed weapon. When George Hennard drove his truck into the cafeteria and opened fire on the patrons, Hupp instinctively reached into her purse for her weapon, but it was in her vehicle. Her father, Al Gratia, tried to rush Hennard and was shot in the chest. As the gunman reloaded, Hupp escaped through a broken window and believed that her mother, Ursula Gratia, was behind her. Instead she watched as Hennard killed her parents and twenty-one other persons. He also wounded some twenty others. As a survivor of the Luby's massacre, Hupp testified across the country in support of concealed-handgun laws. She said that had there been a second chance to prevent the slaughter, she would have violated the Texas law and carried the handgun inside her purse into the restaurant.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanna_Hupp
I know , but I have seen with My own eyes ( watching my dad get shot , then my uncle John, then the nieghbors on both sides of us in Denver get into a shoot out ) people while they have good intentions tend to do more harm then good with firearms in a public place ..... dont care if people carry guns , I just dont want the John Wyane , Rambo , Charles Bronson attitude with it .... seing people shot isnt something I care to see again ....but I am speaking from personal expierence

[Florida_Bronco]

Yeah I would hit it ;D



I know , but I have seen with My own eyes ( watching my dad get shot , then my uncle John, then the nieghbors on both sides of us in Denver get into a shoot out ) people while they have good intentions tend to do more harm then good with firearms in a public place ..... dont care if people carry guns , I just dont want the John Wyane , Rambo , Charles Bronson attitude with it .... seing people shot isnt something I care to see again ....but I am speaking from personal expierence

Agree 100%.

[Spider]

Agree 100%.

;D it was bound to happen soon or later ;D

[Florida_Bronco]

;D it was bound to happen soon or later ;D

You're my buddy, even if we do butt heads on political issues. :approve:

[TDmvp]

where the hell do you live spider .... the gaza strip ???

[Spider]

You're my buddy, even if we do butt heads on political issues. :approve:

;D well wait untill the Democrats take charge , 99.9% chance Iwill bash the hell out of em also

[Florida_Bronco]

;D well wait untill the Democrats take charge , 99.9% chance Iwill bash the hell out of em also

I think 99.9% of politcians suck in general. ROFL!

[Spider]

where the hell do you live spider .... the gaza strip ???

No but you might know these places . 1974 6 th and Federal , Jolly Rodgers bar , my dad was shot in a robery attempt ......
1977 19 th street exit and I 25 , traffic altercation , me and my cousins were in the car , Uncle John gets into a fight , the guy fires 6 rounds hitting John 4 times , one bullet struck the roof of the car and went who only knows were , the other struck the trunk of a 65 ford galaxy hittng the spare tire ...
1981 6th and Bannok , Nieghbor to the south gets tired of the nieghbors dog to the north ****ting in his yard , a fight breaks out , they come back out with guns open fire , one was hit in the stomache , the other the leg ......lot of blood

[Spider]

Then I pulled up to a Gas O Mat in brighton Colo back in 84 , just mintues after a guy shot another guy over some prepaid gas . but i didnt witness that one , but there was still plenty of blood arond the pumps

[Spider]

why did this thread get moved ?

[TDmvp]

why did this thread get moved ?

don't ask questions .... or you get banned cused at and never told why or who ... and im still waiting ....

[Spider]

don't ask questions .... or you get banned cused at and never told why or who ... and im still waiting ....

;D well it was a good topic , very civil debate .......for the record Iam not anti gun , just fully automatic weapons ......

[Los Broncos]

whew .... for a second there I thought it was someone else ...... I think my heart stopped beating there for a second

When i first read it i thought it might of been in Denver, whew....

[Spider]

When i first read it i thought it might of been in Denver, whew....

LOL same here , i almost didnt open this thread

[TDmvp]

my bad on title of thread , i was cut pasting and thats how they wrote it up ..... sorry for the corn fuse hehe ..... i fix ...

[TDmvp]

just got one of these http://www.thejudge.us/images/judge.jpg


The Judge - 4510TKR
fires both .410ga 3in magnums or 2half inch shotshells and .45colts
in the review this sums it up

I was pleasantly surprised by the performance of the Judge, with both shotshells and solid bullet .45 Colt ammo. It offers a lot of versatility in snake country, and can be carried for urban defense loaded with shotshells, heavy .45 Colt hollowpoints, or a combination of both. A number four shot load followed by four hollowpoints might be just about ideal for social work

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so you could go with a load of spray , a slug , and then a big 45 rinse repeat if someone breaks into my house i feel for them ... but i dout you miss with something like this

check out this crusty old guys review heheh
http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-Judge.htm

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

When i first read it i thought it might of been in Denver, whew....

Me too.

I thought "W*GS has finally snapped."

:D

[W*GS]

Me too.

I thought "W*GS has finally snapped."

When Bill is making an appearance for Hillary, they'll pick you up trying to molest him, wearing some padding, a blue dress, a dark wig, and "holding" a cigar.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

If Bill stops in W*GS' neck of the woods, then W*GS will undoubtedly make the 5:00 news by attacking him and trying to beat him to death with his autographed copy of the Starr Report (the one with the stuck-together pages and the lube stains on the cover.)

[Florida_Bronco]

just got one of these http://www.thejudge.us/images/judge.jpg


The Judge - 4510TKR
fires both .410ga 3in magnums or 2half inch shotshells and .45colts
in the review this sums it up

I was pleasantly surprised by the performance of the Judge, with both shotshells and solid bullet .45 Colt ammo. It offers a lot of versatility in snake country, and can be carried for urban defense loaded with shotshells, heavy .45 Colt hollowpoints, or a combination of both. A number four shot load followed by four hollowpoints might be just about ideal for social work

http://www.gunblast.com/images/Taurus-Judge/Thumbs/DSC00279.jpg
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Taurus-Judge/Thumbs/DSC00288.jpg
http://www.gunblast.com/images/Taurus-Judge/Thumbs/DSC00272.jpg


so you could go with a load of spray , a slug , and then a big 45 rinse repeat if someone breaks into my house i feel for them ... but i dout you miss with something like this

check out this crusty old guys review heheh
http://www.gunblast.com/Taurus-Judge.htm

I bought this Glock 21 about a year ago, dang nice gun for around $550. 13 rounds of 45 ACP. :thanku:

[Florida_Bronco]

why did this thread get moved ?

Because it had to do with guns. I started a thread awhile back for firearm owners and some mod decided to dump it here, thankfully a few people made a stink and old guy (or is it old dude?) moved it to the off topics firearms.

I don't know who it is, but for some reason whenever a topic comes up that involves guns a mod(s) thinks it should be here.

[Bronco Bob]

My cousins used to live in Kirkwood, MO. It really is a very tame sort of community...at least until tonight.

I wonder if City Hall was one of those "gun-free zones"?

I doubt the cop he killed was gun free. Usually cops are allowed to
carry guns even in so-called gun free zones. And the cops that
killed him were also allowed to bring their guns along.