What if the Pats came calling for Champ?..

[Gcver2ver3]

I was on some Patriots message boards enjoying their flame-outs after the big loss...

A common theme was their need for a shutdown corner. Many of them also felt that Asante Samuel isn't worth paying the money he wants.

So my question is (hypothetically speaking of course)

If the Pats called the Broncos offering their 1st round pick (#7 overall) for Champ Bailey and you were GM would you take it?

I believe the Pats would be willing to pay Bailey and maybe even rework Bailey's contract since Champ is the best in the biz...

The Pats are a team built to win now...that would give us 2 first rounders in the top 12. We have Fox to play corner as well as Paymah....

Champ is 29 (30 at start of season)....

Am I being to biased to Champ as a fan for not taking a deal like that?


What would you do?...

[Killericon]

No. Next question.

[bfoflcommish]

keep Champ..these D needs all the help it can get.

[Rohirrim]

Asante Samuels had the game in his hands and he punked. I guess he was too busy recalling his celebration in the EZ when he happened to knock down that pass to Tyree. You know, that celebration where he waved his hands in a way that said, everybody clap for me. More! More! ugh!~

I hate to see that crap on a football field. Anyway, keep Champ unless they're willing to give up this year's first and third and next year's first. Champ is a HOFer.

[RaiderH8r]

Keep Champ, tell Billy Bellyache where to stick it, hang up the phone with time remaining on the clock.

[SoDak Bronco]

You aren't going to get a guy like Champ(in the prime of a HOF career) at pick #7. You are going to overpay for a young guy to develope. No No No.

[DB_champ24]

NO WAY! Also I personally feel Champ is worth more than the #7 pick..He has 3-4 more great years(If theres a decent Dline)...I wouldnt want him to leave either hes one of my favorite Broncos!

[Merlin]

You aren't going to get a guy like Champ(in the prime of a HOF career) at pick #7. You are going to overpay for a young guy to develope. No No No.
No need for further discussion

[Gcver2ver3]

Okay maybe I wasn't being biased then for wanting to keep him....

Maybe the decision isn't as tough as I thought...

Fair enough....

thanks

[Beantown Bronco]

Tell them to throw in Vince Wilfork and a third and I might start listening. :stirstir:

[bronco militia]

Trade for Champ?

The Pats don't operate that way

[epicSocialism4tw]

You dont trade the best defensive back in the league for the #7 pick.

[Gcver2ver3]

Trade for Champ?

The Pats don't operate that way


the past would suggest that you're right....

but i wouldn't necessarily agree....

the pats last season have changed some of their typical ways of running their franchise...

for example going after randy moss....a character issue....and adding the amount of free agents they did....

even still...i agree that i don't expect the Pats to actually call us about Champ....this is strictly hypothetical

[rbackfactory80]

the past would suggest that you're right....

but i wouldn't necessarily agree....

the pats last season have changed some of their typical ways of running their franchise...

for example going after randy moss....a character issue....and adding the amount of free agents they did....

even still...i agree that i don't expect the Pats to actually call us about Champ....this is strictly hypothetical

Yeah for a 4th. If any team in the league can get Champ for a 4th they will.

[Ambiguous]

No way, he is one of the very few things that are working for us... Absolutely no way I would let that go to add another question mark to this team.

[rovolution]

wouldnt even consider it unless 4 first round picks was the starting offer

[Gcver2ver3]

I certainly wouldn't mind reading the post of the person who actually voted "yes" to do the trade....

show yourself

[PRBronco]

**** no, holy ****. Give me back these few seconds of my life.

[TheDave]

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[Crushaholic]

It falls under the ABC rule. Anybody But Champ. I don't mind trading players for draft picks, but Champ is a proven winner and I want him to retire as a Bronco...

[epicSocialism4tw]

It falls under the ABC rule. Anybody But Champ. I don't mind trading players for draft picks, but Champ is a proven winner and I want him to retire as a Bronco...

You have to love it when people want to unload franchise players for garbage and draft picks.

[BMF Bronco]

I hate threads like this! Why give up a proven, top ranked, best in his position guy like Champ for a #1 pick who is at best three years out. That's IF we pick a winner. And we all know Shanny isn't the best at picking out #1 picks anyway.

Oh yeah and **** the pats

[NFLBRONCO]

If you promise we can reach a SB before he declines then no. If we only win 9 games or 1 and done in playoffs only then yes we should or should have traded him. I would vote yes only because unless Shanny hits jackpot in his offseason it will take a few years for us in AFC to make legit run. Until we actually get our lines better I don't expect much improvement honestly.

[Gcver2ver3]

I hate threads like this! Why give up a proven, top ranked, best in his position guy like Champ for a #1 pick who is at best three years out. That's IF we pick a winner. And we all know Shanny isn't the best at picking out #1 picks anyway.

Oh yeah and **** the pats

If you hate threads like this then stay the off of them....

it's just a question....

[Gcver2ver3]

You have to love it when people want to unload franchise players for garbage and draft picks.

lol....LOL

what people?....

i voted to keep champ...i just wanted to see if i was being biased...

don't be moronic...just answer the question or take a hike

[fontaine]

The Patriots don't need a shut down corner.

The only thing they are missing is a good camera guy.

[ScottXray]

Okay...I'm the idiot that said yes....but for a reason.

Champ is getting older , and while he IS the best defensive player we have and likely will end in the hall, our team has a lot of needs.
Champ is going to be 30, and Unless we get really lucky I don't think this team can challenge for the bowl this year even with a great draft...MAYBE in two years. By then Champ will have slowed down even more....
This way he maybe gets to a SB team in his prime, something he deserves.

The #7 pick could be traded down for say Dallas's two number ones and probably a high second also. Thats getting close to what some (4 first round picks? Get real!) think he would bring. Nobody is going to give 3 or four firsts, but the 7th pick can bring you close to three (two ones and a high 2).

That would give us the 12, 21, 26? ours and dallas 2 in a deep draft. 5 players in the top 60. A decent draft and we get to finish our rebuild in one year.

Only in THAT kind of scenario would I pull that trigger...keeping the # 7 and overpaying a draftee would not be worth it.

Sure I'd like to see CB retire a Bronco...with a ring or tow also. But a great trade or two can help the team also.:spit:

[Gcver2ver3]

Okay...I'm the idiot that said yes....but for a reason.

Champ is getting older , and while he IS the best defensive player we have and likely will end in the hall, our team has a lot of needs.
Champ is going to be 30, and Unless we get really lucky I don't think this team can challenge for the bowl this year even with a great draft...MAYBE in two years. By then Champ will have slowed down even more....
This way he maybe gets to a SB team in his prime, something he deserves.

The #7 pick could be traded down for say Dallas's two number ones and probably a high second also. Thats getting close to what some (4 first round picks? Get real!) think he would bring. Nobody is going to give 3 or four firsts, but the 7th pick can bring you close to three (two ones and a high 2).

That would give us the 12, 21, 26? ours and dallas 2 in a deep draft. 5 players in the top 60. A decent draft and we get to finish our rebuild in one year.

Only in THAT kind of scenario would I pull that trigger...keeping the # 7 and overpaying a draftee would not be worth it.

Sure I'd like to see CB retire a Bronco...with a ring or tow also. But a great trade or two can help the team also.:spit:


You get props from me for putting it out there...

To be frank I didn't think the poll would be THIS lopsided...

I personally would turn the deal down but I can see where you're coming from...

little bit of slippery slope in your explanation but i still see your point...

i'd keep champ....but a lot of the reasoning for that is because he's my favorite player in all of sports....so i figured my thoughts on this is slanted

[TheDave]

To be frank I didn't think the poll would be THIS lopsided...



thats too bad... had you read one of the many other threads created on the exact same subject in the last month you would of known this.

The search button is your friend...:thumbs:

[Spider]

What in the hell are you thinking ?
of course you trade Champ , didnt you dummys read the orange mane experts at the end of our season ? Champ is getting old , the more games you lose , the better the draft pick ....... You dont lose games by keeping your best players .......... Think people think

[Rohirrim]

Keep in mind the fact that you can have ten picks in a draft and not one of those players will be on your team three years later. A bird in the hand...

[WolfpackGuy]

I love having Champ, but the rules are set up to promote the passing game. You can definitely reach the Super Bowl or win a championship without having a shutdown corner provided you have a decent/dominant pass rush. It would have to be a sweetheart deal though which isn't likely when working with New England. Maybe Dan Snyder can get involved somehow... LOL

[socalorado]

And remember, if DEN does trade Champ, Bowlen went on record saying he would have a "trade in your Champ memorablia for a free car wash" day, so its really a win/win for alot of you.!Booya!

[Bronco Yoda]

This is a ridiculous question and poll.

[TheChamp24]

For people saying Champ is getting old, well, his future as a safety is incredible if you ask me. His instincts for the ball are insane, he is an incredible tackler and is great in coverage. I say he has 3-4 years at CB still, and then 3 more years at least at safety. Thats still 6 years of football left for him.

[Gcver2ver3]

This is a ridiculous question and poll.

look man...

its a message board....

its for kicking around ideas and opinions....

only someone with the mentality of an 8 year old would allow a simple question to upset them....

most of your comments are stupid but i never brought that up to you did i?....

reason being is because i don't care....i just ignored it...

how bout u try doing the same....;)

[Gcver2ver3]

thats too bad... had you read one of the many other threads created on the exact same subject in the last month you would of known this.

The search button is your friend...:thumbs:

i don't recall that....

i don't spend every waking day on the boards....

if this topic of the pats trading their #7 pick to the broncos for champ bailey has come up numerous times before...then please accept my humblest apologies for missing that....

[Spider]

i don't recall that....

i don't spend every waking day on the boards....


****ing slacker

[-Slap-]

Okay, we've got the weekly Trade Champ thread out of the way. All we need now is the weekly Ian Gold is Underrated thread to maintain board standards.

[Gcver2ver3]

Okay, we've got the weekly Trade Champ thread out of the way. All we need now is the weekly Ian Gold is Underrated thread to maintain board standards.

glad i could help....

i'd be glad to hook up a Ian Gold Sucks thread....we haven't had one of those in a while...

give me a couple hours.....

[Gcver2ver3]

****ing slacker

apparently.......

[epicSocialism4tw]

Okay, we've got the weekly Trade Champ thread out of the way. All we need now is the weekly Ian Gold is Underrated thread to maintain board standards.

I dont think you have to worry about that.

There are far more "Ian Gold is terrible" posts out there.

[That One Guy]

Anyone saying the Pats wouldn't trade the 7 for Champ is crazy, I think. They sent a 2nd and a 7th last year for Wes Welker, a guy who was quick as hell but hadn't proven much. The difference between Welker last year and Champ is definitely worth the difference between a 2nd and a high first.

And where are all the damn fools that have kept starting this thread and want to trade Champ? There's always a few that say it's the key to winning the SB but only one guy has shown up to stand by his point. Grow some balls you little sissies... you plague the board with your "trade champ" nonsense... Make sure you show up and defend that point, don't hide in the shadows once you know it's an unpopular opinion.

[Gcver2ver3]

Anyone saying the Pats wouldn't trade the 7 for Champ is crazy, I think. They sent a 2nd and a 7th last year for Wes Welker, a guy who was quick as hell but hadn't proven much. The difference between Welker last year and Champ is definitely worth the difference between a 2nd and a high first.

And where are all the damn fools that have kept starting this thread and want to trade Champ? There's always a few that say it's the key to winning the SB but only one guy has shown up to stand by his point. Grow some balls you little sissies... you plague the board with your "trade champ" nonsense... Make sure you show up and defend that point, don't hide in the shadows once you know it's an unpopular opinion.

thats a good point....

i keep hearing that this topic has come up a bunch...if thats the case then wouldn't the poll results be less lop sided?

where are all these people that wanted to trade champ?

i didn't even know this was the case but if so i'd like to hear from them too....

[0SE7EN]

No way! As others have pointed out, a first round pick at #7 doesn't guarantee you will get a high impact player. The draft is a gamble and to trade possibly the best CB who has ever played the game for a guy who may or may not help this team, you'd have to be crazy.

This team needs to just focus on making their D-line better so that Bailey and Bly can be more effective.

[NFLBRONCO]

58 people who voted NO sure have tons of faith Shanny can rebuild the trenches and everywhere else before Champ declines. I see everyones point about unproven draft picks that is a risk. This team has alot of work to do with or without him. What if we don't make SB will you still rather have Champ or try and bolster team with lots of picks in next few drafts. AFC is no easy task and it is not a given you'll reach a SB even with a great team and its even more unlikely with a soft team.

[bronco militia]

58 people who voted NO sure have tons of faith Shanny can rebuild the trenches and everywhere else before Champ declines.


if the friggen Giants can beat the 18-0 Pats and win the superbowl, anyone in the goddamn NFL is capable of winning it all next year.

thank god for the NFL!

[NFLBRONCO]

if the friggen Giants can beat the 18-0 Pats and win the superbowl, anyone in the goddamn NFL is capable of winning it all next year.

thank god for the NFL!


They won in the trenches. At this point WE can't.

[bronco militia]

They won in the trenches. At this point WE can't.


your are missing the point....it doesn't take much to turn your team around in today's NFL.

[NFLBRONCO]

your are missing the point....it doesn't take much to turn your team around in today's NFL.


I understand what your saying overall about NFL your right. Do you think Denver can make a SB run just bolstering LB S RB WR spots for 08?

[bronco militia]

I understand what your saying overall about NFL your right. Do you think Denver can make a SB run just bolstering LB S RB WR spots for 08?

never say never......anything can happen now that Jake Plummer and Larry Coyer are not around

:~ohyah!: Hilarious!

[NFLBRONCO]

never say never......anything can happen now that Jake Plummer and Larry Coyer are not around

:~ohyah!: Hilarious!


True we'll see

[elsid13]

What the ****, you don't trade HOF players in the prime of thier career to Conference rival

[TDmvp]

what if morons make stupid threads every 5 mins ..

[BroncoMan4ever]

that would be the dumbest thing possible, not only becasue the DL need as much help as possible from the secondary and champ is the best in the league now and maybe ever.
and a 1st rounder is not enough for him anyway. it would need to be their 1st, Moss, and Maroney before denver would part with champ

[Spider]

What the ****, you don't trade HOF players in the prime of thier career to Conference rival

what do you know ? how will we get high draft picks if we win more then we lose ?
Just let me do the thinking around here ;D

[bronco militia]

well, for some people draft day is bigger than the Superbowl.

IMO, that's pretty pathetic.

[TDmvp]

what do you know ? how will we get high draft picks if we win more then we lose ?
Just let me do the thinking around here ;D



i smell smoke ...

[elsid13]

what do you know ? how will we get high draft picks if we win more then we lose ?
Just let me do the thinking around here ;D

I figure that with you thinking about sheep all the time, that you didn't have time for unimportant things like Denver Football

[Spider]

I figure that with you thinking about sheep all the time, that you didn't have time for unimportant things like Denver Football

Multi tasking ;D

[That One Guy]

well, for some people draft day is bigger than the Superbowl.

IMO, that's pretty pathetic.

After folks rooting for losses this year in hopes of turning them into wins next year... as if that's just something they can credit to your record next year... I'm not suprised by any Mane logic anymore.

We could trade Champ, tank all the games next season to get all the best players in the draft... prime ourselves for a great SB run... and I could get run over by Spider's rig doing a victory donut. I'll take the win today, see where it gets, and enjoy it for what it is. With Champ, the team is better than without him, it's that simple.

[Spider]

and I could get run over by Spider's rig doing a victory donut. I'll take the win today, see where it gets, and enjoy it for what it is. .
LOL

[Spider]

i smell smoke ...

ha`ha funny man ;D

[Spider]

I voted yes , but I cant believe 2 other idiots agreed with me .......

[elsid13]

Multi tasking ;D

meaning your counting with your fingers and driving with your feet ;D

[Spider]

meaning your counting with your fingers and driving with your feet ;D

Drive with my feet ...ha I have automatic pilot ...... :wiggle:

[OrangeShadow]

are you kidding me?

[Spider]

are you kidding me?

No ,automatic pilot works ;D

[theAPAOps5]

Nope

[elsid13]

I voted yes , but I cant believe 2 other idiots agreed with me .......

Well one is bobo and other is Hotrod. And I heard Hotrod didn't want you to feel lonely.

[OrangeShadow]

No ,automatic pilot works ;D

not what i was referring to but thats good to know ROFL!

[Spider]

Well one is bobo and other is Hotrod. And I heard Hotrod didn't want you to feel lonely.

LOL that figures .......... I never should have let Hotrod see me licking my eye brows

[Spider]

not what i was referring to but thats good to know ROFL!

LOL .....

[Punisher]

No not cutler,not Rod but Champ is the backbone of this team.I hope champ ends hes days in the NFL as a bronco...

[elsid13]

LOL that figures .......... I never should have let Hotrod see me licking my eye brows

Now we know why theDave cries into his pillow at night

[Spider]

Now we know why theDave cries into his pillow at night
Hotrod cant lick his eyebrows ? ;D

[lex]

The #7 is not enough.

[bronco militia]

No ,automatic pilot works ;D


only Wyoming has autopilot

it's built into the roads
ZZZ...