Zimmerman, Gradishar & 19-0

[Mile High Mojoe]

Yea Zim!

I’m thrilled that Gary Zimmerman was selected to the HOF this year but just as pissed off and heartbroken that Randy Gradishar failed to get voted in on his final attempt as a modern day candidate. I know many of the younger generation never saw him play but I did and trust me he’s one of the best of the best and deserves to be in the HOF.

The Old School Warrior

The only way Gradishar gets in now is by receiving a recommendation from the senior committee before he can be put to a Hall vote. This will be an even more difficult route for him to get a shot at the Hall. Gradishar was the anchor of the Orange Crush Defense back in the 1970’s. He played for the Broncos for 10 years and never missed a game. He still holds the team record for tackles with 2,049. The guy is the very definition of the Old School Warrior, the ultimate humble overachiever and best of all a great leader and person who you’d be proud to call a role model.

For his small size pound for pound he was just as tough as any LB in his era and played with intensity and intelligent that few could match. Year after year he has waited for his day in the sun and again the media types from the left and right coast show no respect to a franchise and fan base that has sent their team to a Super Bowl “6” times. It’s a disgrace and an insult to the players and the fans.

No respect from the nerdy Sportswriters

Since the Broncos have lost 4 of those Super Bowls the great players from those teams don’t get the kind of respect they deserve from the national sportswriters who still think Denver is nothing more than a one horse cow town. For years the Broncos were the only show in town, not just for Denver but the whole Rocky Mountain region.

Now we can say we have 2 players in the Hall. Next year Sharpe is eligible and he’s a shoe in but as for any of the other players past or present on the Broncos there’s really no guarantee that any other player will be inducted in the immediate future with exception of Champ Bailey, Tom Nalen, Jason Elam and hopefully Rod Smith when they retire.

Gradishar should be the first Bronco from the old school era to go in. Maybe the senior committee gives him a recommendation and he gets in that way someday. Then Louis Wright, Karl Mecklenberg and Steve Atwater should follow him. These 3 deserve to be in just as much as Gradishar and have been denied for far too long as well.

Our best still on the outside looking in

Unfortunately border line guys like Floyd Little, Dennis Smith, Rulon Jones and even Terrell Davis probably never get in but deserve to. Had these first 3 players been on just one Super Bowl winning team there is no question they’d be in.

I’m glad Zimmerman got in the Hall of Fame but Gradishar’s absence still burns in my gut and always will until he finally takes his rightful place among the games greats.

Super Bowl Pick

The Pats by 10 but I’m rooting for the Giants. I can hardly wait for the media to slobber all over Brady and Belichick after the game and tout the Pats as the greatest NFL team ever. If they win today going into next season the media will over hype them again and say they’ll repeat. It makes me want puke. Wouldn’t it be great if the Giants knocked them off? Personally, I think that would be a bigger story than the Pats going 19-0 don’t you?

At any rate win or lose the Patriots are now officially on my sports teams hate **** list, which include the Raiders, the Dallas Cowboys, the Redskins, the 49ers, the Lakers, the Yankees, BYU, Colorado State, Notre Dame and the Red Wings.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Good article on how bad this whole thing sucks that Gradishar still isn't in the HOF.


Voters in hall of shame
By Terry Frei
The Denver Post
Article Last Updated: 02/06/2008 12:35:27 AM MST


A year ago, I visited former Broncos quarterback Craig Morton at the University of California-Berkeley's Haas Pavilion. Early in the first of our conversations, Morton, the Cal athletic department's major gifts officer, went out of his way to get something on the record.

"Louis Wright was as good a cornerback as I ever saw," Morton said. "Gradishar, Tommy Jackson, Billy Thompson. None of them are in the Hall of Fame? That's just a joke."

That's at the heart of why the Pro Football Hall of Fame voters' rejection of Randy Gradishar again Saturday in Phoenix was an unconscionable slight of not just the former Broncos inside linebacker — but of Denver's entire Orange Crush defense of 1977 and beyond.

Stupid us. Most of us assumed that in Gradishar's 20th and final year of eligibility before his candidacy must pass through the senior committee, the 44-person panel finally would get it right. As they had done with former Cardinals cornerback Roger Wehrli, in his 20th year of eligibility in 2007, they would acknowledge Gradishar had been kept waiting long enough.

A couple of weeks ago, I taped a KCNC-TV "All Access" segment with sports anchor Vic Lombardi, a Denver native who wore an Orange Crush T-shirt to Holy Family School as an 8-year-old during the 1977 season. (The nuns ordered him to, but he didn't mind.) Gradishar and former Broncos receiver Haven Moses, the other half of the M&M Connection, joined us, and I sheepishly admit I congratulated Gradishar as if his selection was a done deal.

I really believed it was a lock. The son of Champion, Ohio, grocer, World War II veteran Jim Gradishar, would be able to look up at the end of his induction speech next summer and wink . . . or just smile.

But I was giving the voters too much credit. I wasn't in that room in Arizona, but this much is obvious: The petty jealousies and horse-trading among voters, the regional biases (99 percent of the time I scoff at that notion as silly paranoia, and even the relative ignorance of the voters, period, about the realities and intricacies of the sport all came into play.
Putting all this responsibility in the hands of a 44-person panel, especially in this age, is absurd.

The numbers? Yeah, those were trotted out, such as his 10 consecutive seasons of 100 or more tackles. But, really, those aren't the crux of the argument for Gradishar. It's the eye test. Anybody who saw him play, or who was responsible enough to try to do further research, should have come to grips with the reality that he was perhaps the greatest goal-line and short-yardage linebacker in NFL history and indisputably the leader of one of the best defensive units in NFL history.

The 1985 Super Bowl champion Bears allowed 198 points in 16 games. Does anyone doubt their greatness? Or Mike Singletary's as the middle linebacker?

The 1977 AFC champion Broncos allowed 148 points in 14 games, playing against quarterbacks named Terry Bradshaw, Dan Fouts, Ken Stabler, Bert Jones and Roger Staubach, and shutting down a running back named O.J. Simpson.

And nobody from that defense, many of whom were stars for 10 years or more, is in the Hall of Fame?

Not Gradishar, who is being penalized for sticking to his plan to retire after 10 seasons, when he still was near the top of his game? Both he and that defense had a spectacular 1977 season, but they stand up to scrutiny on their career merits, as well.

Not Wright, the son of a Bakersfield, Calif., mail carrier who was a shutdown corner before the term was invented, but he has been punished for his lack of braggadocio — even now, as he teaches at Mrachek Middle School in Aurora?

Not Thompson, who succeeded Jesse Jackson as the star player at Sterling High School in Greenville, S.C., and went from being one of the top corners in the NFL to being one of the top safeties?

Nobody?

Some know-nothings, perhaps still numb from spending so much energy on lining up extra tickets to the commissioner's party or even taking Advil when the early-morning meeting began, have tried to diminish Gradishar by acting as if he should be penalized for playing in a 3-4. But even that's part of the point: He not only was great on his own, he is the representative of an unparalleled four-man unit. When he was inducted, he would have been representing not just himself, but Joe Rizzo, Bob Swenson, Tom Jackson, Wright and Thompson — and all of the Orange Crush.

So how did that go again, Craig Morton?

"That's just a joke."

[24champ]

(Crickets)

[Bronco Yoda]

I still have my childhood #53 shirt (now my little princess wears it watching the games with ol dad now) and a football that has all the Orange Crush sigs on it most in pencil and pen. Perm Sharpies weren't used back then or at least I didn't have one. My most prized Bronco item.

It's really not looking good now for Randy in the Hall. Now that the Hall will have to address obvious Bronco players like Sharpe, Nalen, Champ, etc. in the near future. The senior committee will probably completely ignore him now. There's a backlog of players who have been ignored and from teams that don't get snubbed like the Broncos.

[Mile High Mojoe]

I still have my childhood #53 shirt (now my little princess wears it watching the games with ol dad now) and a football that has all the Orange Crush sigs on it most in pencil and pen. Perm Sharpies weren't used back then or at least I didn't have one. My most prized Bronco item.

It's really not looking good now for Randy in the Hall. Now that the Hall will have to address obvious Bronco players like Sharpe, Nalen, Champ, etc. in the near future. The senior committee will probably completely ignore him now. There's a backlog of players who have been ignored and from teams that don't get snubbed like the Broncos.I'm just angry and pissed about the whole thing. You're right Sharpe probably goes in next. He deserves to be there but it's just such a slam to Randy, the organization and the fans who are robbed of seeing one of the best LB's to every play the game setting on the outside looking in.

I wish Gradishar could have made it in before Elway, now his chances do seem slim but maybe the veterans committee will come around. It may not be for a few years but I hope I live long enough to see it happen. I went to Elways induction and I don't plan on going back if some of the other Bronocs get in before him. When he's voted in I'll go back. The HOF just has no meaning for me until that day.

The 44 guys who control the voting should be shoved off a cliff like in the movie 300.

I haven't been posting in here as much as some of you old timers I know so I'm sure this topic has been ranted on again and again but it deserves to be.

[Bronco Yoda]

You're right it should be.

Randy would have not only deserves to be on his own merit but he would have represented an entire unit. A unit that is still legendary for us fans TO THIS DAY.

What are these pinheads thinking!!!!!! If you're not going to invite all our boys who deserve it, you could at least throw us a bone and send in a representative for us. Is this too much to ask?

[24champ]

Mojoke, quit PMing me. I told you last time NOT to PM me anymore.


I don't post in here that much but when I do you never let an oppportunity go by without making a ****ty or smart ass comment.

What's the deal are you still the Prez of the Plummer fan club is that your problem? Let it go for Christs sakes I have.

Once an a-hole always an a-hole I guess. Its why I stay away.

Ya that's it, I'm "prez of the Plummer fan club". :giggle:

Seriously you've gone mental. Get the net!

http://www.streetneeds.com/uploads/twinturbonet/waynes-world.jpg

[Mile High Mojoe]

Mojoke, quit PMing me. I told you last time NOT to PM me anymore.




Ya that's it, I'm "prez of the Plummer fan club". :giggle:

Seriously you've gone mental. Get the net!

http://www.streetneeds.com/uploads/twinturbonet/waynes-world.jpgMan you're a dick.

[ScottXray]

Randy not getting in AGAIN is another slam on the Broncos...
and worst they did vote in a LB...with less impressive credentials.

The east and west coast bias against any team not in those areas or
not winners of multiple super bowls (Pittsburgh and Dallas and Washington)
continues to be a disgusting slam to the fans and players of other teams.

I will never vist the Hall of Shame because it truly does not represent the whole NFL, but zowie! only the media favorites.:blowhorn:

[Crushaholic]

The first article hit the nail on the head. Gradishar wasn't on a Super Bowl-winning team. Nor was he considered a "pioneer" at his position. Therefore, he won't get the recognition of being a great player. It absolutely sucks, but I can start to see their criteria...

[broncocalijohn]

Keep PMs to what they are... Personal messages

[B-Love]

http://www.gradishar4hof.com/home.aspx

Pro Football Weekly just released their "All Time" 3-4 Defense front 7, in their latest issue of the paper.

Randy Gradishar is on the team with Harry Carson the other Middle Backer. With Andre Tippett's induction, everyone else on that front 7 has been inducted with the exception of Curley Culp.

Harry Carson, Lawrence Taylor, Andre Tippett, Leroy Selmon and Howie Long are already in.

And considering how the rest of the writers like to suck John McClain's cock, Curley Culp will go in before Randy.

The bottom feeding embarrassing Houston Oilers will get Culp in now, in the Seniors Vote, and get their 8th player inducted.

[jonny1]

By the way, don't get your hopes up too high that Shannon will get in next year, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make it.

Don't flame me, I think he deserves it, no doubt, but the way things have been going, I can see the committee thinking, "Well, Gonzalez and Gates are better than he was . . ."

[Kaylore]

BYU is awesome.

[24champ]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/funny-pictures-driving-cat-hits-dog.jpg

[Mile High Mojoe]

The first article hit the nail on the head. Gradishar wasn't on a Super Bowl-winning team. Nor was he considered a "pioneer" at his position. Therefore, he won't get the recognition of being a great player. It absolutely sucks, but I can start to see their criteria...I don't see how. If you didn't see Gradishar play then it doesn't really matter if you did then you know that he deserves to be in over a guy like Fred Dean. Fred Dean? Come on, he's just another good DLmen and he certainly was no pioneer at his position.

Gradishar was the glue that held one of the greatest D's together for 10 years and NEVER missed a game. He was always in the right position and knew how to use his small body in big way because he knew the fundamentals of tackling, if he got to you he didn't miss you.

It's hard enough that we have to convince the rest of the football world that he deserves to be in but when a Broncos fan is selling what are you gonna do?

[B-Love]

There is no question in my mind that Shannon Sharpe will not get in next year.

I think he will gain entry after year 5 or 6, somewhere in that range.

Next year Bruce Smith and Rod Woodson should be slam dunk first eligibles, plus Cris Carter and Derrick Thomas should get in too.

Sharpe will not get in next year.

[Los Broncos]

Mojoke, quit PMing me. I told you last time NOT to PM me anymore.




Ya that's it, I'm "prez of the Plummer fan club". :giggle:

Seriously you've gone mental. Get the net!

http://www.streetneeds.com/uploads/twinturbonet/waynes-world.jpg

Dont be a dick.

[24champ]

Dont be a dick.

Come up with something new instead of recycling Mojoke's crap...please, I know you are smarter than that Lynch.

[24champ]

BYU is awesome.

BYU is in a tough race with UNLV in CBB and kicks everyone's ass in Football.

Meanwhile the Wyoming Cowpies....

[-Slap-]

I don't see how. If you didn't see Gradishar play then it doesn't really matter if you did then you know that he deserves to be in over a guy like Fred Dean. Fred Dean? Come on, he's just another good DLmen and he certainly was no pioneer at his position.

Fred Dean was the very definition of a pioneer at his position. Who was the first standup defensive end? Who was the original Elephant in the 49ers defense? Who was acquired at the trade deadline in 1981 to propel the 49ers to their first world championship?

[Hogan11]

Yea Zim!

I’m thrilled that Gary Zimmerman was selected to the HOF this year but just as pissed off and heartbroken that Randy Gradishar failed to get voted in on his final attempt as a modern day candidate. I know many of the younger generation never saw him play but I did and trust me he’s one of the best of the best and deserves to be in the HOF.

The Old School Warrior

The only way Gradishar gets in now is by receiving a recommendation from the senior committee before he can be put to a Hall vote. This will be an even more difficult route for him to get a shot at the Hall. Gradishar was the anchor of the Orange Crush Defense back in the 1970’s. He played for the Broncos for 10 years and never missed a game. He still holds the team record for tackles with 2,049. The guy is the very definition of the Old School Warrior, the ultimate humble overachiever and best of all a great leader and person who you’d be proud to call a role model.

For his small size pound for pound he was just as tough as any LB in his era and played with intensity and intelligent that few could match. Year after year he has waited for his day in the sun and again the media types from the left and right coast show no respect to a franchise and fan base that has sent their team to a Super Bowl “6” times. It’s a disgrace and an insult to the players and the fans.

No respect from the nerdy Sportswriters

Since the Broncos have lost 4 of those Super Bowls the great players from those teams don’t get the kind of respect they deserve from the national sportswriters who still think Denver is nothing more than a one horse cow town. For years the Broncos were the only show in town, not just for Denver but the whole Rocky Mountain region.

Now we can say we have 2 players in the Hall. Next year Sharpe is eligible and he’s a shoe in but as for any of the other players past or present on the Broncos there’s really no guarantee that any other player will be inducted in the immediate future with exception of Champ Bailey, Tom Nalen, Jason Elam and hopefully Rod Smith when they retire.

Gradishar should be the first Bronco from the old school era to go in. Maybe the senior committee gives him a recommendation and he gets in that way someday. Then Louis Wright, Karl Mecklenberg and Steve Atwater should follow him. These 3 deserve to be in just as much as Gradishar and have been denied for far too long as well.

Our best still on the outside looking in

Unfortunately border line guys like Floyd Little, Dennis Smith, Rulon Jones and even Terrell Davis probably never get in but deserve to. Had these first 3 players been on just one Super Bowl winning team there is no question they’d be in.

I’m glad Zimmerman got in the Hall of Fame but Gradishar’s absence still burns in my gut and always will until he finally takes his rightful place among the games greats.

Super Bowl Pick

The Pats by 10 but I’m rooting for the Giants. I can hardly wait for the media to slobber all over Brady and Belichick after the game and tout the Pats as the greatest NFL team ever. If they win today going into next season the media will over hype them again and say they’ll repeat. It makes me want puke. Wouldn’t it be great if the Giants knocked them off? Personally, I think that would be a bigger story than the Pats going 19-0 don’t you?

At any rate win or lose the Patriots are now officially on my sports teams hate **** list, which include the Raiders, the Dallas Cowboys, the Redskins, the 49ers, the Lakers, the Yankees, BYU, Colorado State, Notre Dame and the Red Wings.

If not for the super bowl victories, Zimmerman would be on the outside looking in. There's absolutely no respect for the pre 1997 Broncos in Canton, none.

Floyd Little borderline? Don't make me laugh....the Man is continually jobbed just as much as Gradishar is. The Hall Of Fame can go screw itself as far as I'm concerned.

[Mile High Mojoe]

If not for the super bowl victories, Zimmerman would be on the outside looking in. There's absolutely no respect for the pre 1997 Broncos in Canton, none.

Floyd Little borderline? Don't make me laugh....the Man is continually jobbed just as much as Gradishar is. The Hall Of Fame can go screw itself as far as I'm concerned.I'm glad to see the rage you feel about the lack of old school Broncos in the Hall, it's mutual. I thought after Elway got in, it would open the doors to guys like Gradishar, Wright, Mecklenberg and even Little. Zimmerman was a hell of Tackle and deserves to be in but he's not an original drafted Bronco who spent his whole career in Denver like above mentioned. The whole thing sucks, we get no respect or love from the gang of 44.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Fred Dean was the very definition of a pioneer at his position. Who was the first standup defensive end? Who was the original Elephant in the 49ers defense? Who was acquired at the trade deadline in 1981 to propel the 49ers to their first world championship?

Let’s see the 49ers team that Fred Dean was in 1981 had Dan Bunz, Keena Turner, and Jack Reynolds at LB’s. Eric Wright and Ronnie Lott on the Corners and Carlton Williamson and Dwight Hicks at Safety’s arguably the greatest defensive backfield in the history of NFL. Then if the 9ers D wasn’t talented enough Dean had help on the DL from guys like Dwaine Board, Jim Stuckey and Pete Kugler.

It just goes without saying the 9ers had the best young D in the NFC during the early 80’s. Considering this roster of great players is it really a shock that Dean thrived in SF? Not at all, they played great against the run, completely shut down the passing game and it gave a good player like the Dean the green light to pin his ears back and go after QB’s, hence all the sacks. Opposing O’s didn’t have a chance with all the talent the 9ers had at almost every position on defense.

So you then you take into consideration the 9ers with Walsh as HC, Montana, Solomon and Clark on O and one of the best OL's in the history of the game as well and what do you have? Top to bottom maybe one of the greatest teams ever.

So then I say if Dean stays in San Diego or gets traded to a team like the Cardinals or the Lions do you really believe he’d of complied the same stats over an that same period of time? There is no way in hell, he was a great player I give you that but there we many great DL during that era that had just as much talent as Dean and never even get a whisper in the voting. Dean was just another good player or if you want to call him a great player go ahead and one of the best teams in NFL History.

Here’s another good point if Dean is a DE on the same Orange Crush D of the 70’s that Gradishar is on does he get voted in? No, why you ask, because the Broncos didn’t win a Super Bowl in that era.

It’s the same retarded argument you get from guys who say Montana was the greatest QB ever. I’m not saying that Montana wasn’t a great QB but does anyone in their right mind really believe that he takes teams like the ones Elway toiled on and survive in the NFL for 15 years? Does he take the Cardinals or the Lions to the Super Bowl with the talent they had back then? No! Had Montana been on the 84 Broncos he’d of lasted maybe 2 seasons and would have been out of the NFL because he’s tiny body wouldn’t have been able to take the beating it would have got. I don’t give a **** what anyone says Montana was a good QB who was at the right place at the right time with the great Owner, Coach, OL, WR’s and the best D in the NFL. I think almost any warm body could have QBed that team and won games.

So don’t bull**** me Dean didn’t pioneer his position at all he was great player on a greater team that won Super Bowl’s and that’s the only reason that he gets in over Gradishar. That’s who these LA, SF, NY, Boston and Chicago sportswriters are going to vote for every time, great players on Super Bowl winning teams. Gradishar matched, check that, exceeded in intensity and heart any game that Dean put out on the field. The Sportswriters will vote in the water boy, the trainer and cheerleaders from that 9ers next year just watch.

[Mile High Mojoe]

BYU is in a tough race with UNLV in CBB and kicks everyone's ass in Football.

Meanwhile the Wyoming Cowpies....Nothing changes with you does it 24chump, I talk try to talk football you talk smack. I see there was a poll just put up to see if non-football topics should be allowed in here in the off season. You gotta be kiddin' me right? Half of the time it's moronic crapola like this that you see in this room ALL the time.

This year I didn't have the time to post during the season and manage my fantasy teams at the same time. I see I didn't really miss much.

[24champ]

Nothing changes with you does it 24chump

Oooh your still blowing me away with your "chump" smack. :unamused:

I talk try to talk football you talk smack

You're an attention whore, just look at what you did for this thread. You started this thread 4 days ago, nobody responded...then about two days later you bump it up. Frankly if it wasn't for me this piece of crap thread would be on page 3. Let me clue you in on another thing, this HOF business has been talked about for a while. There was already a thread on Gradishar and why the hell Dean got in the HOF on page 2-3 somewhere. Slap gives out the reasons why Dean got in the HOF. It's an explanation I can understand while also saying in the same breath the HOF sucks hindtit. You on the other hand ramble with incoherent thoughts. Everyone is dumber for having to read your posts. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul...

I see there was a poll just put up to see if non-football topics should be allowed in here in the off season. You gotta be kiddin' me right? Half of the time it's moronic crapola like this that you see in this room ALL the time.

This year I didn't have the time to post during the season and manage my fantasy teams at the same time. I see I didn't really miss much.


Yeah and the majority spoke on that poll so what? Taco understood the two sides of what to do for the offseason and put up a poll to decide. He could have just said to hell with it and be done with it.

So I don't know if you know this but no one is keeping you jailed here. If you don't like it here because it sounds like you can't handle the heat here. I mean no one is going to hold your hand and lend you a shoulder to cry on if you get called out or some smack thrown your way. I get *** on plenty of times, it's an online board. Here you have to handle your own. Clearly you can't handle it, and I can only wonder how you handle reality. So go on back to Myspace where you came from and hopefully you leave all the kids alone on that site.

[Mile High Mojoe]

Oooh your still blowing me away with your "chump" smack. :unamused:



You're an attention whore, just look at what you did for this thread. You started this thread 4 days ago, nobody responded...then about two days later you bump it up. Frankly if it wasn't for me this piece of crap thread would be on page 3. Let me clue you in on another thing, this HOF business has been talked about for a while. There was already a thread on Gradishar and why the hell Dean got in the HOF on page 2-3 somewhere. Slap gives out the reasons why Dean got in the HOF. It's an explanation I can understand while also saying in the same breath the HOF sucks hindtit. You on the other hand ramble with incoherent thoughts. Everyone is dumber for having to read your posts. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul...




Yeah and the majority spoke on that poll so what? Taco understood the two sides of what to do for the offseason and put up a poll to decide. He could have just said to hell with it and be done with it.

So I don't know if you know this but no one is keeping you jailed here. If you don't like it here because it sounds like you can't handle the heat here. I mean no one is going to hold your hand and lend you a shoulder to cry on if you get called out or some smack thrown your way. I get *** on plenty of times, it's an online board. Here you have to handle your own. Clearly you can't handle it, and I can only wonder how you handle reality. So go on back to Myspace where you came from and hopefully you leave all the kids alone on that site.Not once in the 2 years that I have posted on this site have you talked to me about football. It's none of business what you or anyone else thinks of me on this site. I'm not like you, I don't spend all my free time on the web sitting on my ass thinking of the next smart ass comment to slap on somebody. I have a life, a wonderful wife, hobbies, great friends, I don't need to qualify it to a smack man like you.

You're the attention whore here, does it make you feel like a brilliant web boy slapping with me with another insult? Are you getting laid? Do you have a job or do you troll this site day and night because you hate yourself and your life? Which is it? Did you Mommie and Daddie not give enough love when you were a kid? I don't give a **** further more go **** yourself. Is this coherent enough you chicken ****? This is no PM this is for all to see ****head. Suck on it.

[24champ]

Not once in the 2 years that I have posted on this site have you talked to me about football. It's none of business what you or anyone else thinks of me on this site. I'm not like you, I don't spend all my free time on the web sitting on my ass thinking of the next smart ass comment to slap on somebody. I have a life, a wonderful wife, hobbies, great friends, I don't need to qualify it to a smack man like you.

You're the attention whore here, does it make you feel like a brilliant web boy slapping with me with another insult? Are you getting laid? Do you have a job or do you troll this site day and night because you hate yourself and your life? Which is it? Did you Mommie and Daddie not give enough love when you were a kid? I don't give a **** further more go **** yourself. Is this coherent enough you chicken ****? This is no PM this is for all to see ****head. Suck on it.

Obviously this just illustrates my point of your rambling and incoherent thoughts. Also points out your insecurities as a person.

What is also amazing is that you are 47 yrs old and you continually seek attention or yet you don't understand that you do not run this site. So with that said...take this.

http://www.prozac.com/images/common_images/prozac_logo.jpg

[broncocalijohn]

Does anyone else feel a Dedhead and Baja PM and post battle? I never knew there was a problem between you two. But I do love that it doesnt involve me!

[ZachKC]

Myspace Mojoe flip **** again?

Awesome.

[-Slap-]

Let’s see the 49ers team that Fred Dean was in 1981 had Dan Bunz, Keena Turner, and Jack Reynolds at LB’s. Eric Wright and Ronnie Lott on the Corners and Carlton Williamson and Dwight Hicks at Safety’s arguably the greatest defensive backfield in the history of NFL. Then if the 9ers D wasn’t talented enough Dean had help on the DL from guys like Dwaine Board, Jim Stuckey and Pete Kugler.

It just goes without saying the 9ers had the best young D in the NFC during the early 80’s. Considering this roster of great players is it really a shock that Dean thrived in SF? Not at all, they played great against the run, completely shut down the passing game and it gave a good player like the Dean the green light to pin his ears back and go after QB’s, hence all the sacks. Opposing O’s didn’t have a chance with all the talent the 9ers had at almost every position on defense.

So you then you take into consideration the 9ers with Walsh as HC, Montana, Solomon and Clark on O and one of the best OL's in the history of the game as well and what do you have? Top to bottom maybe one of the greatest teams ever.

So then I say if Dean stays in San Diego or gets traded to a team like the Cardinals or the Lions do you really believe he’d of complied the same stats over an that same period of time? There is no way in hell, he was a great player I give you that but there we many great DL during that era that had just as much talent as Dean and never even get a whisper in the voting. Dean was just another good player or if you want to call him a great player go ahead and one of the best teams in NFL History.

Here’s another good point if Dean is a DE on the same Orange Crush D of the 70’s that Gradishar is on does he get voted in? No, why you ask, because the Broncos didn’t win a Super Bowl in that era.

It’s the same retarded argument you get from guys who say Montana was the greatest QB ever. I’m not saying that Montana wasn’t a great QB but does anyone in their right mind really believe that he takes teams like the ones Elway toiled on and survive in the NFL for 15 years? Does he take the Cardinals or the Lions to the Super Bowl with the talent they had back then? No! Had Montana been on the 84 Broncos he’d of lasted maybe 2 seasons and would have been out of the NFL because he’s tiny body wouldn’t have been able to take the beating it would have got. I don’t give a **** what anyone says Montana was a good QB who was at the right place at the right time with the great Owner, Coach, OL, WR’s and the best D in the NFL. I think almost any warm body could have QBed that team and won games.

So don’t bull**** me Dean didn’t pioneer his position at all he was great player on a greater team that won Super Bowl’s and that’s the only reason that he gets in over Gradishar. That’s who these LA, SF, NY, Boston and Chicago sportswriters are going to vote for every time, great players on Super Bowl winning teams. Gradishar matched, check that, exceeded in intensity and heart any game that Dean put out on the field. The Sportswriters will vote in the water boy, the trainer and cheerleaders from that 9ers next year just watch.

The 49ers were ranked 26th (out of 28) in points allowed and 27th in yardage allowed in 1980. That backfield you were calling the best in history was comprised of three rookies in 1981.

Gradishar matched, check that, exceeded in intensity and heart any game that Dean put out on the field.

And how would you go about proving something like this, Momo?

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BYU 35 WY 10 ;DHey Kaylore thanks for the reminder, UW did fall apart in the second half of the season. You and Mock are the 2 best posters on this site so I respect you thoughts on football and I'm glad to see your a Republican but if you root for BYU all I can say is:

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The 49ers were ranked 26th (out of 28) in points allowed and 27th in yardage allowed in 1980. That backfield you were calling the best in history was comprised of three rookies in 1981.



And how would you go about proving something like this, Momo? Lott and Hicks were Pro Bowlers while Dean was a 49er. In 84 Lott, Hicks and Williamson all made the Pro Bowl. They had great LB's on that team with Turner, Reynolds and Bunz. You make Dean out to be some animal who could take over game all by himself like Reggie White or Bruce Smith but he wasn't that good or even up to their level in my opinion.

His selection is more about the 9ers and all their Super Bowl wins bottom line. Ranking aside the 49ers had the most talented group of defensive players outside of the Cowboys in the NFC in the early 80's. You forget most teams played from behind against the 9ers back then so he had the luxury of being just a pass rusher. He was just an average guy against the run.

At any rate I don't see how a guy like Gradishar gets left out with his resume over just a another good DL from a successful Super Team alone. It stinks, Gradishar does exceed or meet his career in leadership, stats and durablity.

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Does anyone else feel a Dedhead and Baja PM and post battle? I never knew there was a problem between you two. But I do love that it doesnt involve me!

It’s simple really 2 years ago I was a vocal about Plummer being benched in favor of Cutler. There were a group of guys on this site lead by Popps among others who were vehemently opposed to the removal of Plummer. When I say vehemently opposed that’s an understatement, it was all out war in here with guys taking one side or the other.

When Plummer blew the AFC Champ. Game he totally lost me as a supporter. In the season opener against the Rams in the 2006 Plummer laid another enormous egg. After that loss to me Plummer lost the confidence of Shanahan, his teammates and the fans. It just got worse from there and the meltdown continued for Jake.

24 Chump street, along with Popps and others defended Plummer all the way to the end of the 2006 season. It was nightmare; I personally couldn’t understand why anyone could defend Plummer when he had done nothing to deserve it,

Since I was new to the room and I called Popps and some of the others out I was called a nutcase and a show off or an attention seeker. 24 Chump Street still holds some personal vendetta against me I guess because he didn’t like my comments during that debate.

Frankly I don’t give a rat ass if he or any of the others who didn’t like me then still don’t like me now. I’m just as rabid a fan and have followed the Broncos for just as long as anyone in this room probably longer in most cases. So that’s the short version if you don’t know my history.