Who Won The Debate?

[frerottenextelway]

Who Won The Debate?

Yadda.

[Bronco Bob]

It was a draw. Which is a win for the Democrats.

[frerottenextelway]

My thoughts were that the first 60 mintues were "Clinton questions". Considering the subject matter, Obama did real well, but still lost that portion (Man do I disagree with her ideals on health care, but disagree with how his ideals are worked out, but she really looks better to the voters when it comes to policy here). The last 30 minutes were Iraq, and I though Obama dominated this portion. Clinton did have the line of the night, with it took a Clinton to fix the first Bush, and it'll take a Clinton to fix the second. A hardball question, and she hit a homerun. Overall, I'd give BO a 9.5 and HC a 9.3.

[frerottenextelway]

It was a draw. Which is a win for the Democrats.

This debate was definetly a win for the Dems. A dem that had minor doubts about voting for that other one was overwhelmed with love from their candidate for the other.

[frerottenextelway]

Another thing, for those that thought Ted Kennedy's endorsement was irrelevant, his speach really took away her punch lines. In previous debates, you heard "ready on day 1", you heard questioning on Barack's War record, over and over, today I heard a total of 1 mention of those two talking points combined. And that mention (on Iraq), only came up after it was kinda forced on her.

She still did well despite that, but that was really a thorn in her argument.

[frerottenextelway]

Another thing.... Obama was clearly given word that his "snub" on Hillary at the SOTU could become an issue. His opening and continued love was a clear address at that, which he nailed a home run (for him, and the party). It was important to him to give the opening first.

This is so much better than Charger - Bronco games.

[Rigs11]

Gawd the repubs must be jealous. Comparing the repub debate last night to the dem debate is like comparing 5 year olds to college grads. Seriously it's not even close. Mccain sounded like a batty old alzheimers patient, he said he would not vote for his own immigration billHilarious! then you got huckabee who said that the way to solve global warming was to build more highways.The you have romney who said that his immigration plan was to have the illegals simply leave.Hilarious! Seriously people put partisanship aside and listen to the candidates. Who do you really want running your country?

[frerottenextelway]

Gawd the repubs must be jealous. Comparing the repub debate last night to the dem debate is like comparing 5 year olds to college grads. Seriously it's not even close. Mccain sounded like a batty old alzheimers patient, he said he would not vote for his own immigration billHilarious! then you got huckabee who said that the way to solve global warming was to build more highways.The you have romney who said that his immigration plan was to have the illegals simply leave.Hilarious! Seriously people put partisanship aside and listen to the candidates. Who do you really want running your country?

I like McCain the most out of those 3, but wow, that was an incredibly bad answer to the question. He *fought* for this bill *recently*. He wrote the damn thing. He's running on *straight talk*. My jaw dropped at his answer. He's been around this long enough, learn how to dodge an answer already.

He's not the same man since he got slandered in SC 8 years ago (the dirtiest tactics in my lifetime). He's still more honest than Romney, but that had to be embarrassing for McCain groupies.

[SoCalBronco]

Obviously Griese.

Here he is making an especially nuanced point about how the various canons of statutory construction can often help us resolve disputes as to the meaning of ambiguous statutory language, especially when the maze of legislative history yields no clear answers.

http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/news/images/nfl07-4.jpg

Brian Griese 2008: Putting America first

[frerottenextelway]

Obviously Griese.

Here he is making an especially nuanced point about how the various canons of statutory construction can often help us resolve disputes as to the meaning of ambiguous statutory language, especially when the maze of legislative history yields no clear answers.

http://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/news/images/nfl07-4.jpg

Brian Griese 2008: Putting America first


Clearly if you weren't so racist, you would've thought Rod Smith won.

[Taco John]

I don't know how anyone can come away from that debate and think anything other than Obama won. I thought he out-flanked her on just about every position there is, and made Hillary look like a triangulating politician.

I thought Barack came off looking like a president. Hillary come off looking like a politician.

[frerottenextelway]

I don't know how anyone can come away from that debate and think anything other than Obama won. I thought he out-flanked her on just about every position there is, and made Hillary look like a triangulating politician.


Do you think he won on health care? Not that you agree more, but *if* you were neutral right now, do you think he was more convincing to get your vote? It was like half the debate.

I thought he did well considering the issue, but her talking points on that issue are so much stronger. The *every* american will be covered stuff.

I defintely agree Iraq was lopsided. He manged to bury her while still coming off as liking her and a nice guy. That's a domination.

[Bronco Bob]

I don't know how anyone can come away from that debate and think anything other than Obama won. I thought he out-flanked her on just about every position there is, and made Hillary look like a triangulating politician.

I thought Barack came off looking like a president. Hillary come off looking like a politician.

On issues that Democrats care about I think Hillary won on health insurance
and immigration and Obama won on Iraq.
But where I think the Democrats won is that these two realized it's not
each other the Democrats need to beat in November, it's the Republican,
and that the fighting was driving away people that the candidate that
wins the nomination will need in November.

[frerottenextelway]

One last thing ...

I thought at 1 point Clinton demonstrated why very few senators are elected President. She was making the point on health care (for the 2nd straight debate), that you have to aim high so you can compromise for something that's still good. That's what Senators do and becomes 2nd nature, but to the average American it comes across as 'I don't like Obama's position, but I plan to compromise to exactly that!'. It's true and honest, but it goes over so poorly.

(Yes, I know BO is a Senator, but he hasn't fallen trap to that line of public thinking)

[Bronco Jamus]

I don't know how anyone can come away from that debate and think anything other than Obama won. I thought he out-flanked her on just about every position there is, and made Hillary look like a triangulating politician.

I thought Barack came off looking like a president. Hillary come off looking like a politician.

I agree. Neither has run anything and are under qualified, but still.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Clinton did have the line of the night, with it took a Clinton to fix the first Bush, and it'll take a Clinton to fix the second.

Yes, but he can't run again. ;)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Gawd the repubs must be jealous. Comparing the repub debate last night to the dem debate is like comparing 5 year olds to college grads. Seriously it's not even close. Mccain sounded like a batty old alzheimers patient, he said he would not vote for his own immigration billHilarious! then you got huckabee who said that the way to solve global warming was to build more highways.The you have romney who said that his immigration plan was to have the illegals simply leave.Hilarious! Seriously people put partisanship aside and listen to the candidates. Who do you really want running your country?

You'd think it would be a no-brainer.......until you remember how many people voted for GeeDubya - twice!

[Spider]

I refused to watch .............. I watched Wild Hogs .....Laughed my ass off to no end .. John Travolta maybe a nut in real life , but Damn he can do Comedy ..

[defenseman]

I watched the debate. Enjoyed it immensely. I have to agree with one of the posters here, I'm thinking that B.O. edged out H.C. just a bit. However, I think the dems have a winner with either candidate at this point. ESPECIALLY if it's a B.O. / Hillary ticket or visa versa. The republican candidate will stand no chance if the two dem frontrunners combine forces. I believe that for alot of reasons, too many to go into. In any case, IF McCain is the republican selection as nominee, which presently it appears that will come to fruition, well he won't get my vote. I'll be either writing in a candidate or voting for the dem. I was going to sit it out, however I believe it's important that a message is sent to the republican party that the conservatives will not put up with someone like McCain. Simple as that. Ergo, I'll vote against McCain. The man is a disaster and cannot be trusted. thought I'd share that with you folks. I know alot of talk is going around about him trying to get the conservative/ultra conservative vote to help him win the election. I'm here to tell you, it ain't happenin. It won't happen. Hell, I know ALOT of guys in the military now who refuse to vote for the guy, they just don't trust him....dman

[TailgateNut]

I watched the debate. Enjoyed it immensely. I have to agree with one of the posters here, I'm thinking that B.O. edged out H.C. just a bit. However, I think the dems have a winner with either candidate at this point. ESPECIALLY if it's a B.O. / Hillary ticket or visa versa. The republican candidate will stand no chance if the two dem frontrunners combine forces. I believe that for alot of reasons, too many to go into. In any case, IF McCain is the republican selection as nominee, which presently it appears that will come to fruition, well he won't get my vote. I'll be either writing in a candidate or voting for the dem. I was going to sit it out, however I believe it's important that a message is sent to the republican party that the conservatives will not put up with someone like McCain. Simple as that. Ergo, I'll vote against McCain. The man is a disaster and cannot be trusted. thought I'd share that with you folks. I know alot of talk is going around about him trying to get the conservative/ultra conservative vote to help him win the election. I'm here to tell you, it ain't happenin. It won't happen. Hell, I know ALOT of guys in the military now who refuse to vote for the guy, they just don't trust him....dman


I didn't have the time to watch the debate (yet) but am I hearing that you would consider voting for Billary? If I am hearing correctly I'll need to log off and run to stock up on duct tape, because life, as we know it, is over.

[Bronco Bob]

I didn't have the time to watch the debate (yet) but am I hearing that you would consider voting for Billary? If I am hearing correctly I'll need to log off and run to stock up on duct tape, because life, as we know it, is over.

Even Ann Coulter says Hillary would be a better choice than McCain.
For sure hell has frozen over.

[defenseman]

I didn't have the time to watch the debate (yet) but am I hearing that you would consider voting for Billary? If I am hearing correctly I'll need to log off and run to stock up on duct tape, because life, as we know it, is over.

Hillary, I believe anyway would NOT pull out of iraq right away. Second, she DOES have a tough stand on anyone whom would attack this country. Third, the immigration issue is a dead horse if McCain gets the nomination. Fourth, McCain is a LIAR!!!!!! I cannot stomach a liar. If he is willing to out and out LIE for political gain, on a national level, and be STUPID enough to not recant, he can be counted on to lie to each and every american when he gets into office. Bank on it. I care more about americans get someone who won't yank their collective chains. McCain will yank it. I gaurantee you right here, if McCain gets in, the borders will open wide and the groundwork for a North american Union will be expedited. He says he'll build a fence? My rear end, he'll flop on that issue the day he's sworn in. He's a disgrace. And he will NEVER get my vote. All these pundits who believe that republicans will run to the polls, in the end, and support the repub candidate, JUST BECAUSE they are republican? Ain't happening folks. It just ain't happening. Is the republican party in real TROUBLE? ABSOLUTELY. At least the conservative and ultra conservative are without a doubt marginalized right now and feel as though their party has undoubtedly abandoned them. Why? You tell me, it's not difficult to figure out. POLITICS, and the ends justifies the means. It's disgraceful...dman

[defenseman]

Even Ann Coulter says Hillary would be a better choice than McCain.
For sure hell has frozen over.

Ann Coulter, while I don't agree with her tactics most of the time, hit the nail SQUARELY on the head. Without a doubt, MILLIONS of conservatives will NEVER cast a vote for McCain under ANY circumstances and I am one of those conservatives. Let history move on, and what happens, happens. That lying SOB will get his in the end. The conservatives in this country WILL abandon him, just like he has abandoned us. He is just disgusting...dman

*And, when the polls come out reflecting that? Look in the mirror Senator, you did this to yourself. At that point, it won't matter. He will be a LAMEDUCK senator who will be ostrocized by his own chose party at that point. And, bank on him quietly disappearing back to his own little piece of arizona hell.

[defenseman]

One last thing ...

I thought at 1 point Clinton demonstrated why very few senators are elected President. She was making the point on health care (for the 2nd straight debate), that you have to aim high so you can compromise for something that's still good. That's what Senators do and becomes 2nd nature, but to the average American it comes across as 'I don't like Obama's position, but I plan to compromise to exactly that!'. It's true and honest, but it goes over so poorly.

(Yes, I know BO is a Senator, but he hasn't fallen trap to that line of public thinking)

B.O. came across as very honest. He did not deny he would raise taxes, for that, I give him alot of credit......dman

*Out of the two healthcare plans, Hillary's in theory I don't believe will work, and hers will evolve into what B.O.'s plan is or some version of it. So, on that note, I'm thinking they both will end up in the same spot more or less.

[TailgateNut]

Hillary, I believe anyway would NOT pull out of iraq right away. Second, she DOES have a tough stand on anyone whom would attack this country. Third, the immigration issue is a dead horse if McCain gets the nomination. Fourth, McCain is a LIAR!!!!!! I cannot stomach a liar. If he is willing to out and out LIE for political gain, on a national level, and be STUPID enough to not recant, he can be counted on to lie to each and every american when he gets into office. Bank on it. I care more about americans get someone who won't yank their collective chains. McCain will yank it. I gaurantee you right here, if McCain gets in, the borders will open wide and the groundwork for a North american Union will be expedited. He says he'll build a fence? My rear end, he'll flop on that issue the day he's sworn in. He's a disgrace. And he will NEVER get my vote. All these pundits who believe that republicans will run to the polls, in the end, and support the repub candidate, JUST BECAUSE they are republican? Ain't happening folks. It just ain't happening. Is the republican party in real TROUBLE? ABSOLUTELY. At least the conservative and ultra conservative are without a doubt marginalized right now and feel as though their party has undoubtedly abandoned them. Why? You tell me, it's not difficult to figure out. POLITICS, and the ends justifies the means. It's disgraceful...dman


I heard a story this morning which addresses the state of politics to a tee.


A frog and a scorpion were sitting on the bank of a river. The scorpion ask the frog if he would allow him to get on his back and give him a ride across the river. The frog replied "no way, you'll sting me". The Scorpion promises that he wont sting him. So the frog decides to give him a ride. Half way across the river the scorpion stings the frog and they both start sinking. The frogs asks the scorpion "Why did you do that?" and the scorion replies "because that's what we do!".

[defenseman]

I heard a story this morning which addresses the state of politics to a tee.


A frog and a scorpion were sitting on the bank of a river. The scorpion ask the frog if he would allow him to get on his back and give him a ride across the river. The frog replied "no way, you'll sting me". The Scorpion promises that he wont sting him. So the frog decides to give him a ride. Half way across the river the scorpion stings the frog and they both start sinking. The frogs asks the scorpion "Why did you do that?" and the scorion replies "because that's what we do!".

Well said TGN. You know, there will be those here who will say, wow has dman changed his politics. Fact is, I haven't. My strongest convictions deal with integrity and honesty. I have an innate extremely strong aversion to liars. So much so, I'll will suffer whatever life deals to me in all circumstances, but, I will not lie. EVER. Sen. McCain is dishonest, manipulative, and a liar. He'll never get my vote, ever. Our country will suffer great damage being led by such a man or woman. I can't trade my integrity for anything...dman

[Rohirrim]

I thought Billary clearly won. Her answers were concise and stated in simple, declarative sentences. Obama rambles so much, with so many "Uhs," after a while I just tuned him out. Sometimes he seems to be talking just to hear his own voice. When he speaks he reminds me of a Constitutional law professor I had who thought on three different levels simultaneously but could never seem to settle on anything, as if every point was arguable and he was prepared to argue all of them. He also did a major flop that everybody let him get away with. At one point he said he was going to manage the "giant bureaucracy" in Washington when last week he said he envisioned the presidency as a figurehead position where he would set the tone but not engage in managing the bureaucracy. That jumped out at me. I kept waiting for a follow-up, but there wasn't one.

I also thought the bias against Billary was clearly evident. The worst example of this was when she explained how she had taken Bush at his word that he would continue the inspections regime before launching war in Iraq and Wolf Blitzer followed up with, "So you were naive?" When she began to answer, Wolf tossed the softball over to Obama asking, "Do you think she was naive?" That was way over the top. That's like having a judge in a case suddenly decide that the prosecutor is not conducting a good enough case so he steps in to cross examine witnesses and make points for the prosecution. I thought that was blatant media bias skewed to benefit Obama. I noticed also that Wolf never once pulled any hardball follow-ups on Obama.

Being a Ron Paul fan, it's surprising to me to watch the media herd this process along with their obvious biases. They continually ignore (or worse, snicker at) a guy like Ron Paul who has some truly revolutionary ideas which have obviously caught on with millions of Americans, and meanwhile, they are just going to shove a completely untested neophyte like Obama down the throats of the electorate. Obama's candidacy is a blend of media support and wishful thinking. Folks, he ain't no JFK. You're dreaming if you think he is. I thought one of the most telling things from this debate was how Obama kept bringing up his experience in the "Illinois State House." I just kept hearing over and over, "This is what I did in double A ball." He doesn't have the chops, the experience or the gravitas.

[defenseman]

I thought Billary clearly won. Her answers were concise and stated in simple, declarative sentences. Obama rambles so much, with so many "Uhs," after a while I just tuned him out. Sometimes he seems to be talking just to hear his own voice. When he speaks he reminds me of a Constitutional law professor I had who thought on three different levels simultaneously but could never seem to settle on anything, as if every point was arguable and he was prepared to argue all of them. He also did a major flop that everybody let him get away with. At one point he said he was going to manage the "giant bureaucracy" in Washington when last week he said he envisioned the presidency as a figurehead position where he would set the tone but not engage in managing the bureaucracy. That jumped out at me. I kept waiting for a follow-up, but there wasn't one.

I also thought the bias against Billary was clearly evident. The worst example of this was when she explained how she had taken Bush at his word that he would continue the inspections regime before launching war in Iraq and Wolf Blitzer followed up with, "So you were naive?" When she began to answer, Wolf tossed the softball over to Obama asking, "Do you think she was naive?" That was way over the top. That's like having a judge in a case suddenly decide that the prosecutor is not conducting a good enough case so he steps in to cross examine witnesses and make points for the prosecution. I thought that was blatant media bias skewed to benefit Obama. I noticed also that Wolf never once pulled any hardball follow-ups on Obama.

Being a Ron Paul fan, it's surprising to me to watch the media herd this process along with their obvious biases. They continually ignore (or worse, snicker at) a guy like Ron Paul who has some truly revolutionary ideas which have obviously caught on with millions of Americans, and meanwhile, they are just going to shove a completely untested neophyte like Obama down the throats of the electorate. Obama's candidacy is a blend of media support and wishful thinking. Folks, he ain't no JFK. You're dreaming if you think he is. I thought one of the most telling things from this debate was how Obama kept bringing up his experience in the "Illinois State House." I just kept hearing over and over, "This is what I did in double A ball." He doesn't have the chops, the experience or the gravitas.

Pretty sound observations Ro. I agree with you on some, and I do agree Obama is the "annointed" one. I do believe, in the end though, Hillary will get the nod. I also believe that IF Obama runs as her VP, it is a decisive slam dunk for the democratic party. We'll see. I do prefer Hillary over Obama presently...dman

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Deja vu...

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/4428/freak2ag5.jpg

[Rigs11]

Only thing I'm worried is that if obama gets the nomination, how he will handle the repub attacks.I believe that hillary would handle them better.

[Bronco Bob]

So it's not just me that thinks the media is biased towards Obama?
I'm not really joking when I call MSNBC "Obama Central".
Even Keith Olberman, who up till now has concentrated on bashing
Bush, has lined up squarely against Hillery.
Apparently GE has decided Obama is their man and all the
talking heads on their networks are now reading off the
corporate talking points. Even Fox News is more objective
in regards to Hillary vs Obama.

[Rohirrim]

Pretty sound observations Ro. I agree with you on some, and I do agree Obama is the "annointed" one. I do believe, in the end though, Hillary will get the nod. I also believe that IF Obama runs as her VP, it is a decisive slam dunk for the democratic party. We'll see. I do prefer Hillary over Obama presently...dman

To me, that would just be more of the same. I'm sure they would rearrange the tax code and more money would be returned to the social side of the equation (education, health, etc.) that the neocons were trying to starve to death, but the overall machinery of Washington will keep right on humming along. K Street will continue to flourish. Our money will continue to pour into foreign coffers. We will continue to police the world, coddle tyrants, protect the Saudis, and funnel taxpayer money into corporate subsidies. Maybe our position on climate change will actually join the adult world for a change. Overall, I don't think there will be a huge change. If the American populace is really looking for a "change agent" like the media keeps crowing about, they should turn to Ron Paul. Of course, I keep forgetting. The media won't allow them to focus on Ron Paul.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Only thing I'm worried is that if obama gets the nomination, how he will handle the repub attacks.I believe that hillary would handle them better.

Yeah, he'll be too busy singin' "Kumbaya" to notice the swift boats approaching.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

I also believe that IF Obama runs as her VP, it is a decisive slam dunk for the democratic party.

I was just thinking the same thing earlier today.

You have to wonder whether they would be willing to do it for the good of the party (or if Hill's personal quest for power would preclude such a notion?)

[Rohirrim]

I don't agree that Obama would be a good choice. VP shouldn't be a strong personality that competes for the spotlight. Evan Bayh would be the perfect guy for Billary. He's nearly invisible. :rofl:

[defenseman]

Yeah, he'll be too busy singin' "Kumbaya" to notice the swift boats approaching.

Honestly, I wouldn't worry too much about that. The "swift boat" mentality is aligning alright, AGAINST MCCAIN. However, it will be too little, too late. In addition, you must understand, and I am dead serious about this, I'm guessing that a majority of the republican conservatives/ultra conservatives will either not vote, or vote dem, or Ron Paul IF the nominee for the republican party is McCain. The swift boaters will be too busy attacking McCain, for good reasons from where I sit, too worry about Obama/Hillary or anyone else just to send a message to the republican party. The "live to fight another day" mentality if you will, and it'll aide in re-constituting the republican party for the next election. Fall back in retreat and regather your forces should be the logical move at this point. McCain is absolutely despised by millions upon millions of conservatives and ultra conservatives alike....dman

[Bronco Bob]

I like Huckabee, but he is spoiling it for Romney.
Romney and Huckabee are splitting the conservative
vote and McCain is winning (barely) by getting the
Independent and Democratic votes.
If you make the leap that Romney/Huckabee is
the conservative vote then Romabee beat McCain by:

Iowa 60 to 13
New Hampshire 43 to 37
Michigan 56 to 30
Nevada 59 to 13
S. Carolina 45 to 33
Florida 45 to 36

Clearly the conservatives prefer either Romney or Huckabee to McCain.

[Crushaholic]

Well said TGN. You know, there will be those here who will say, wow has dman changed his politics. Fact is, I haven't. My strongest convictions deal with integrity and honesty. I have an innate extremely strong aversion to liars. So much so, I'll will suffer whatever life deals to me in all circumstances, but, I will not lie. EVER. Sen. McCain is dishonest, manipulative, and a liar. He'll never get my vote, ever. Our country will suffer great damage being led by such a man or woman. I can't trade my integrity for anything...dman

Obama hasn't been in national politics enough to be exposed as a liar, but I don't trust any of them. Mitt Romney (the guy I'm currently supporting) seems like the consummate slimy politician. If "non-liar" is your standard, you might as well sit out the election...

[Hotrod]

I'd have to go with welfare people and terrorists.

[defenseman]

I like Huckabee, but he is spoiling it for Romney.
Romney and Huckabee are splitting the conservative
vote and McCain is winning (barely) by getting the
Independent and Democratic votes.
If you make the leap that Romney/Huckabee is
the conservative vote then Romabee beat McCain by:

Iowa 60 to 13
New Hampshire 43 to 37
Michigan 56 to 30
Nevada 59 to 13
S. Carolina 45 to 33
Florida 45 to 36

Clearly the conservatives prefer either Romney or Huckabee to McCain.

Yep, and bank on Huckabee being McCain's VP. He believes huckleberry will bring in the conservative vote to his ticket. Some possibly, but sorry, that won't work with me. McCain is still the nominee, can't give him my vote...dman

*Bottom line is, the republican party is broke right now, and the candidates who presently are running, especially huckleberry/McCain, have assured the democrats of recapturing the white house. Romney is doing his level best to establish some conservative values, and is hands down a better choice than McCain, but unfortunately, in some key areas of the country, his religion will lose him the election.

[defenseman]

Obama hasn't been in national politics enough to be exposed as a liar, but I don't trust any of them. Mitt Romney (the guy I'm currently supporting) seems like the consummate slimy politician. If "non-liar" is your standard, you might as well sit out the election...

I'm presently leaning Romney's way, though I differ from you on your position that Romney is "slimy". Yeah he's very financially savvy, and has attempted to draw comparisons between himself and others, but overall I wouldn't characterize him as slimy. No matter, to be quite honest, I'm convinced his religion and Huckabee have cost him the nomination. And of course his fellow party candidates don't hide the fact that they feel he hasn't paid his "dues". Pretty sad actually. All the more reason the republicans have no one to blame but themselves for the party being broken presently......I've sent numerous emails to the RNC / GOP pointing this out. They too require new leadership...dman

[Bronco Bob]

Hillary, Obama Get a Room (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/hillary-obama-get-a-room_b_84460.html)

Posted February 1, 2008 | 11:33 AM (EST)

After two hours of a televised debate that many pundits characterized as a love-fest, Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton confirmed today that they have gotten a room.
Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton secured a room at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, conveniently located near the Kodak Theater where the CNN debate took place.
The extraordinary announcement came on the heels of a request made by millions of television viewers, who emailed CNN last night urging the Democratic rivals to get a room.
In a joint statement released by Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama this morning, the two presidential contenders said, "We have heard the voters loud and clear, asking us to get a room - and we have gotten that room."
After the couple released a photo of themselves in fluffy white hotel bathrobes, there was a palpable sense of relief in Democratic circles that the two senators had in fact gotten a room.
"It was a little uncomfortable watching the two of them up there together, barely keeping their hands off each other," said DNC chairman Howard Dean. "The sexual tension was so thick you could cut it with a knife."
As news spread of the candidates' decision to get a room, pundits speculated about what role former President Bill Clinton might play in such a room.
"I don't see him playing a role there," said Hillary biographer Carl Bernstein. "I think Bill Clinton respects the right of someone to get a room."
Elsewhere, advisors to G.O.P frontrunner John McCain have urged him to stop speaking in that spooky voice.

[defenseman]

Hillary, Obama Get a Room (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/andy-borowitz/hillary-obama-get-a-room_b_84460.html)

Posted February 1, 2008 | 11:33 AM (EST)

After two hours of a televised debate that many pundits characterized as a love-fest, Democratic presidential candidates Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton confirmed today that they have gotten a room.
Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton secured a room at the Hollywood Roosevelt Hotel, conveniently located near the Kodak Theater where the CNN debate took place.
The extraordinary announcement came on the heels of a request made by millions of television viewers, who emailed CNN last night urging the Democratic rivals to get a room.
In a joint statement released by Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama this morning, the two presidential contenders said, "We have heard the voters loud and clear, asking us to get a room - and we have gotten that room."
After the couple released a photo of themselves in fluffy white hotel bathrobes, there was a palpable sense of relief in Democratic circles that the two senators had in fact gotten a room.
"It was a little uncomfortable watching the two of them up there together, barely keeping their hands off each other," said DNC chairman Howard Dean. "The sexual tension was so thick you could cut it with a knife."
As news spread of the candidates' decision to get a room, pundits speculated about what role former President Bill Clinton might play in such a room.
"I don't see him playing a role there," said Hillary biographer Carl Bernstein. "I think Bill Clinton respects the right of someone to get a room."
Elsewhere, advisors to G.O.P frontrunner John McCain have urged him to stop speaking in that spooky voice.

:rofl: outstanding...dman

[BroncoBuff]

You'd think it would be a no-brainer.......until you remember how many people voted for GeeDubya - twice!
True, but I think it's important to separate the mindsets of Dubya voters in 2000 from Dubya voters in 2004.

In 2000, he was the self-proclaimed "compassionate conservative," and claimed he detested "nation building." I voted Nader cause it never seemed to me that Gore had the "eye of the tiger," so I give voters a pass on 2000 ... hell, even Chris Matthews voted for him in 2000!

2004, though, that is different. 2004 is the Shame of a Nation. The Iraq quagmire based upon lies, the oil companies making energy policy, and especially failing to get bin-Laden. This continued failure to capture the 9/11 criminal who knocked down the towers is a Commander-in-Chief failure of historic proportion ... the one historic dynamic that we do not seem to grasp here in the short term, is what a massive and unprecedented military/tactical/intelligence/law enforcement failure it is that bin-Laden is still free. History will focus on our failuer to capture him immediately as a prime motivator for the metastic growth of radical Islam globally in the first years of this century.



Oh, and Hillary won. She finally recaptured that contented, non-confrontational approach that was so successful in the early debates. Personally I felt great that the two appeared to get along so well

[Spider]

I guess I would be more into the debates , if what these **** wads debated came true ...... Basically I see it as who is the best liar ..... they all are long on Promise , short on results ....

[Hotrod]

I guess I would be more into the debates , if what these **** wads debated came true ...... Basically I see it as who is the best liar ..... they all are long on Promise , short on results ....

could not agree more.

[Spider]

could not agree more.

LOL well now that you see I am always right , lets talk ford pick ups

[Hotrod]

LOL well now that you see I am always right , lets talk ford pick ups

I guess we could talk Fords today.....just not on Sunday. I wont use language like "ford" on the lords day

Ha!

[Spider]

I guess we could talk Fords today.....just not on Sunday. I wont use language like "ford" on the lords day

Ha!

Ha! Ha! funny man

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

True, but I think it's important to separate the mindsets of Dubya voters in 2000 from Dubya voters in 2004.

In 2000, he was the self-proclaimed "compassionate conservative," and claimed he detested "nation building." I voted Nader cause it never seemed to me that Gore had the "eye of the tiger," so I give voters a pass on 2000 ... hell, even Chris Matthews voted for him in 2000!

2004, though, that is different. 2004 is the Shame of a Nation. The Iraq quagmire based upon lies, the oil companies making energy policy, and especially failing to get bin-Laden. This continued failure to capture the 9/11 criminal who knocked down the towers is a Commander-in-Chief failure of historic proportion ... the one historic dynamic that we do not seem to grasp here in the short term, is what a massive and unprecedented military/tactical/intelligence/law enforcement failure it is that bin-Laden is still free. History will focus on our failuer to capture him immediately as a prime motivator for the metastic growth of radical Islam globally in the first years of this century.

That's why I said "twice," bro. :yep:

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

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