Most Overrated HOF'er

[Breaker]

With the announcements for this years HOF class coming up it has occurred to me that there are way to many people in the fabled Hall that simply do not belong there. Give me your most overrated HOF'er and why they should not be in the Hall.

Mine is Joe Namath, here is why.

Namath Career Numbers:

Career Passing Yards: 43rd
Career Passing TD: 46th (only 173)
Career Passer Rating: 163rd
Career Passes Int: 17th (220)
Wins: 77
Losses: 108
He only had three winning seasons.

Before everyone jumps on the "era" argument look at what some of his contemporaries did in similar categories, guys who are not in the HOF.

John Hadl:

Career Passing Yards: 19th
Career Passing TD: 15th
Career Passer Rating: 153rd
Career Passes Int: 3rd

Norm Snead

Career Passing Yards: 29th
Career Passing TD: 30th
Career Passing Rating: 163rd
Career Passes Int: 6th

Roman Gabriel

Career Passing Yards: 32nd
Career Passing TD: 26th
Career Passer Rating: 93rd
Career Passes Int: 50th

It looks like to me anyways that Namath got in on one game and by making a claim that the Jets would win a Super Bowl, and that is pretty much the only reason he did. Since I wasn't around at the time, and this is all retrospective on my part, can someone convince me that this take is totally wrong by giving me some info that the numbers don't really show.

[Bronx33]

joe was pretty..
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7893/joenamathbeavercrusherxc7.jpg

[Breaker]

joe was pretty..
http://deadspin.com/assets/resources/2007/05/JoeNamathBeaverCrusher.jpg

Ahh HOF worthy I am sure lol

[ro_50]

Joe Namath made his career off of one bold prediction that came true.

Otherwise, his career was not that impressive.

[Inkana7]

Namath was a good talent that suffered from a horrible bum knee and playing for the Jets.

[Bronx33]

Ahh HOF worthy I am sure lol



Man pretty...

[Atlas]

Dan Hampton.... WTH is he in there?

[snowtrx]

WOW. This is going to be a short thread!

[loborugger]

While I wont argue the #s with you, his HOF credentials are greater than the performance.

Namath was larger than life. His knees were so banged up, the Army rated him 4F for the draft - i.e. they didnt want him. He was a big figure in the biggest town. He was flamboyant and really captured the era he played in on the field. Further, he was the first AFC QB to win a SB and he did it as a vast underdog - after guarenteeing he would do it. He was as much of an ambassador for the AFL as any player ever was.

I dont know if I would say he is overrated by being in the HOF. Granted he couldnt get there today, but that was then and this is now.

[Bronco LB 59]

Lynn Swann

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SwanLy00.htm

[Dukes]

Lynn Swann

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SwanLy00.htm

I didn't realize he had those kinds of stats. Definitely not HOF worthy. Fortunately for him it's not all about stats

[spdirty]

Harry Carson.

[rovolution]

Dan Fouts.


I hardly consider him great when you look at the caliber QBs who played in his years.

Montana, Elway, Bradshaw, Marino, Staubach...

Fouts a HOFer? bah. he had the same career as Ken Anderson of the Bengals, and Kens not in the HOF (and Ken actually got to a SB).

[OABB]

joe montana.



Yeah... I said it.

[RhymesayersDU]

That no-namer with the horse face. Played for the Donkeys.




/turns this thread into a 10-page flame fest

[Dukes]

I'm sure you could find a couple among the 31 Bears in the Hall

[Rocket 7]

That no-namer with the horse face. Played for the Donkeys.




/turns this thread into a 10-page flame fest

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e364/dipsomaniac1/rb131.jpg

Do you mean Shannon Sharpe? He's not in yet.

[RhymesayersDU]

Shannon was the loud-mouthed no namer who played for the Donkeys. DURRRR.

[BroncoBuff]

I dunno .... Namath did a heckuva lot for the AFL, he clinched the merger almost single-handedly by becoming a larger-than-life figure in a major media market ... and then winning the Super Bowl. His on-field stats might be a bit light, but his intangibles are through the roof.

As far as "Most Overrated"? I won't say Harry Carson is underserving of HOF per se ... but his career was definitely no better than Randy Gradishar's. The real explanation for both is the one qualification Namath and Carson have in common: New York City.

[broncos loveI]

Andre Tippett for even being on the list of Hall of Famers. He was nice player, but HOF... amazing.

[wabbit]

I don't know why exactly, but the second I saw the title of this thread, the sniveling, whining image of Harry Carson crept into my head followed by a nearly uncontrollable urge to take the first flight out to Canton so I might urinate on the steps of that bogus Shrine.

Only happens once in a while, thank goodness.

[Goobzilla]

Lynn Swann

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SwanLy00.htm

Thank You!!

Swann is in Canton for a few acrobatic catches in the SB. Cliff Branch was twice the WR he was and he's still waiting for the call.

[The Moops]

Dan Hampton.

[BowlenBall]

Harry Carson -- a good linebacker, but by no means a great one.

That he gets in before Randy Gradishar is sheer blasphemy.

[TheReverend]

Emmitt Smith

Has the title "rushing champ" thanks to another 5 guys on the Cowboys.

[B-Love]

Mike Munchak and Bruce Matthews are great players, but they were first ballot Hall of Fame Offensive Lineman on a team (Oilers) that could NEVER run the football.

Matthews had some good rushing seasons with Eddie George, but Munchak never played with a feared rushing team.

That's because the HOF committee loves to suck Houston beat writer, John McClain's wang.

[B-Love]

Emmitt Smith

Has the title "rushing champ" thanks to another 5 guys on the Cowboys.

Now it's getting a bit silly.

First of all, Emmitt is not in the HOF yet.

Secondly he is VERY deserving of first ballot status.

[TheReverend]

Now it's getting a bit silly.

First of all, Emmitt is not in the HOF yet.

Secondly he is VERY deserving of first ballot status.

He's a first ballot lock for being a record whore.

For christ's sake, Olandis Gary could've had the rushing record in his situation, and then the guy stays on forever just to have the record... he's the Brett Favre of quarterbacks.

[2KBack]

He's a first ballot lock for being a record whore.

For christ's sake, Olandis Gary could've had the rushing record in his situation, and then the guy stays on forever just to have the record... he's the Brett Favre of quarterbacks.

being durable as a running back is pretty huge. Olandis gary couldn't have done it, because Gary can't stay healthy. Most backs would have crumbled over the number of carries Emmitt got in a career. If Brett is going to get so much credit for toughness, then Smith should get even more being a RB.

[2KBack]

If you want to talk about an overrated RB, talk about Jerome Bettis

[Bronco Bob]

People like Namath and Swann got in because they were famous.
Were is the criteria that the only reason someone should be in the
Football Hall of FAME is that they managed to compile
a laundry list of stats?

[TheReverend]

being durable as a running back is pretty huge. Olandis gary couldn't have done it, because Gary can't stay healthy. Most backs would have crumbled over the number of carries Emmitt got in a career. If Brett is going to get so much credit for toughness, then Smith should get even more being a RB.

Please don't get me started on Brett. Try living in Wisconsin for 5 years as a Bronco fan. I'm very biased, but how many games do you think he cost his team playing hurt when the backup was probably a better option at that point? He's a record whore... only reason he still suits up.

[broncosteven]

I still think Bob Griese should not be in the HOF, freaking fins Pounded the ball with Bob (Pre SOB) Griese completing only 8 passes most games.

If I had Czonka and Kick I would run all day also.

BTW 72 fins owe Earl Morral (s/p?) big time.

[Smiling Assassin27]

There's a slew of Raiders that really have no business in the HOF

Jim Otto
Bob Brown
John Madden
Dave Casper

overrated honorable mention: marcus allen 12,243 rushing yards in 16 seasons, averaging a mediocre 765 yards per season.

[Inkana7]

Marcus Allen had the Rushing TD record for awhile, though. I think he even set the record against us.

[rovolution]

There's a slew of Raiders that really have no business in the HOF

Jim Otto
Bob Brown
John Madden
Dave Casper

overrated honorable mention: marcus allen 12,243 rushing yards in 16 seasons, averaging a mediocre 765 yards per season.

Marcus was a great receiver as well. When you take into his account his career, you have to consider the receiving #'s as well, ie Roger Craig and Marshall Faulk.

[Smiling Assassin27]

i agree, he was a very good player, but HOF'er? nah.

faulk averaged over 1000 rushing yards per year over 12 years and over 500 yards receiving. allen averaged just over 300 yds receiving per year. faulk's in another class.

craig's avg rushing yards per season are almost identical to marcus' but his avg. receiving yards are higher. sorry, roger's not a HOF'er and neither is Marcus.

[broncocalijohn]

Lynn Swann

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SwanLy00.htm

This was my choice. Liked the Trojan but his catches per game wasnt much. He was good, very good but was he HOF material? If he was a Bronco, he would have never had a chance but being a Steeler in the 70s, HELL YES HE GETS IN!

[broncocalijohn]

There's a slew of Raiders that really have no business in the HOF

Jim Otto
Bob Brown
John Madden
Dave Casper

overrated honorable mention: marcus allen 12,243 rushing yards in 16 seasons, averaging a mediocre 765 yards per season.

That stat is skewed based on the fact that Old Fart Al sat him on the bench for about 3 years. Go back and look at the stats and take out those years. When he finally left to KC, he was still scoring TDs at a pace only LT could clip. Maybe a little exaggeration, but you get the point.

[Inkana7]

This was my choice. Liked the Trojan but his catches per game wasnt much. He was good, very good but was he HOF material? If he was a Bronco, he would have never had a chance but being a Steeler in the 70s, HELL YES HE GETS IN!

17 Friggin' steelers in the HOF.

[broncosteven]

There's a slew of Raiders that really have no business in the HOF

Jim Otto

Dave Casper

.

GHOST TO THE POST.

I think he was avg around 2-4 catches per game but he always seemed to catch a lot of TDs.

I think Otto is ok due to longevity.

[gunns]

Franco Harris. And if Rod Smith doesn't get in then I'd say Michael Irvin. Comparable stats and they both did the same thing for their team.

[MechanicalBull]

Add in Art Monk for being snubbed.
I totall agree on Namath and I'll throw in Gale Sayers as well. The guy played pretty much 4.5 seasons and is a HOFer.
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[TexanBob]

If Art Monk got in, he would go straight to the top of my overrated list. He caught gazillions of five-yard out patterns while Clark and Sanders hit the home runs. It would be like voting in Wes Welker.

And as for Sayers, shhhhhhh on that! He's the best reason Terrell Davis might get in. Without Sayers the "didn't play enough" excuse has true merit.

[The Moops]

These are my overrated HOFers

Namath is in the hall for one game, Supe III, and for being a celebrity QB who played in NY.

Bob Griese benefited by handing off to one of the greatest running games in NFL history. The perfect season that he's always happy to talk about, he was hurt most of the year and in the Super Bowl against the Skins, he threw for less than 100 yards. His overall numbers are pretty weak.

I've been told by numerous offensive linemen from that era that Dan Hampton was average at best and in no way a HOFer.

Lynn Swann, again, made some acrobatic catches in big games but did not put up HOF numbers.

Marcus Allen was a 3rd down back for much of his career with KC, that's why he was able to play 16 years. He had just two 1,000 yard seasons and had none his last 12 years.

Thurman Thomas never led the NFL in rushing. Ever. And benefitted playing out of a no-huddle spread offense.

James Lofton was great for a couple seasons, but for most of his career he wasn't even the best receiver on his team.

Don Coryell should be in the HOF, not Dan Fouts . . . Steve Tensi could have put up big numbers in that offense.

And here's my new one . . . Marshall Goldberg, who will probably be voted in today. Never finished better than 3rd in the NFL in rushing with a 3.5 average
(Pug Manders finished 1st with 4.4 average; George Musson 2nd with 5.9 average)

[BowlenBall]

Add in Art Monk for being snubbed.
I totall agree on Namath and I'll throw in Gale Sayers as well. The guy played pretty much 4.5 seasons and is a HOFer.
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(minimum half a game per game scheduled to qualify as leader)
(Receptions)/(Games Played)')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="18">R/G</TH><TH class=" hide_non_quals" onmouseover="Tip('Receiving Yards per Game
(minimum half a game per game scheduled to qualify as leader)
(Receiving Yards)/(Games Played)')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="19">Y/G</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Yards from Scrimmage: Receiving and Rushing Yards')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="20">YScm</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Rushing and Receiving Touchdowns')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="21">RRTD</TH><TH class="" onmouseover="Tip('Number of times fumbled both lost and recovered by own team')" align=middle table_number="1" sorttable_columnindex="22">Fmb</TH></TR></THEAD><TBODY><TR class=full_table onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>1965 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1965/)*+</TD><TD align=right>22</TD><TD align=left>CHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1965.htm)</TD><TD align=left>HB</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>166</TD><TD align=right>867</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>61</TD><TD align=right>5.2</TD><TD align=right>61.9</TD><TD align=right>11.9</TD><TD align=right>29</TD><TD align=right>507</TD><TD align=right>17.5</TD><TD align=right>6</TD><TD align=right>80</TD><TD align=right>2.1</TD><TD align=right>36.2</TD><TD align=right>1374</TD><TD align=right>20</TD><TD align=right>9</TD></TR><TR class=full_table onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>1966 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1966/)*+</TD><TD align=right>23</TD><TD align=left>CHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1966.htm)</TD><TD align=left>HB</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>229</TD><TD align=right>1231</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>58</TD><TD align=right>5.4</TD><TD align=right>87.9</TD><TD align=right>16.4</TD><TD align=right>34</TD><TD align=right>447</TD><TD align=right>13.1</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>80</TD><TD align=right>2.4</TD><TD align=right>31.9</TD><TD align=right>1678</TD><TD align=right>10</TD><TD align=right>2</TD></TR><TR class=full_table onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>1967 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1967/)*+</TD><TD align=right>24</TD><TD align=left>CHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1967.htm)</TD><TD align=left>HB</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>186</TD><TD align=right>880</TD><TD align=right>7</TD><TD align=right>70</TD><TD align=right>4.7</TD><TD align=right>67.7</TD><TD align=right>14.3</TD><TD align=right>16</TD><TD align=right>126</TD><TD align=right>7.9</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>32</TD><TD align=right>1.2</TD><TD align=right>9.7</TD><TD align=right>1006</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>8</TD></TR><TR class=full_table onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>1968 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1968/)+</TD><TD align=right>25</TD><TD align=left>CHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1968.htm)</TD><TD align=left>HB</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>138</TD><TD align=right>856</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>63</TD><TD align=right>6.2</TD><TD align=right>95.1</TD><TD align=right>15.3</TD><TD align=right>15</TD><TD align=right>117</TD><TD align=right>7.8</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>21</TD><TD align=right>1.7</TD><TD align=right>13.0</TD><TD align=right>973</TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>7</TD></TR><TR class=full_table onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>1969 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1969/)*+</TD><TD align=right>26</TD><TD align=left>CHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1969.htm)</TD><TD align=left>HB</TD><TD align=right>14</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>236</TD><TD align=right>1032</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>28</TD><TD align=right>4.4</TD><TD align=right>73.7</TD><TD align=right>16.9</TD><TD align=right>17</TD><TD align=right>116</TD><TD align=right>6.8</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>25</TD><TD align=right>1.2</TD><TD align=right>8.3</TD><TD align=right>1148</TD><TD align=right>8</TD><TD align=right>7</TD></TR><TR class=full_table onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>1970 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1970/)</TD><TD align=right>27</TD><TD align=left>CHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1970.htm)</TD><TD align=left></TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>23</TD><TD align=right>52</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>15</TD><TD align=right>2.3</TD><TD align=right>26.0</TD><TD align=right>11.5</TD><TD align=right>1</TD><TD align=right>-6</TD><TD align=right>-6.0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>-6</TD><TD align=right>0.5</TD><TD align=right>-3.0</TD><TD align=right>46</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>1</TD></TR><TR class=full_table onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>1971 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/1971/)</TD><TD align=right>28</TD><TD align=left>CHI (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/chi/1971.htm)</TD><TD align=left></TD><TD align=right>2</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>13</TD><TD align=right>38</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>2.9</TD><TD align=right>19.0</TD><TD align=right>6.5</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=right>38</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>0</TD></TR></TBODY><TFOOT><TR class=" stat_total" onmouseover=hl(this); onmouseout=uhl(this);><TD align=left>Career</TD><TD align=right></TD><TD align=left></TD><TD align=left></TD><TD align=right>68</TD><TD align=right>0</TD><TD align=right>991</TD><TD align=right>4956</TD><TD align=right>39</TD><TD align=right>70</TD><TD align=right>5.0</TD><TD align=right>72.9</TD><TD align=right>14.6</TD><TD align=right>112</TD><TD align=right>1307</TD><TD align=right>11.7</TD><TD align=right>9</TD><TD align=right>80</TD><TD align=right>1.6</TD><TD align=right>19.2</TD><TD align=right>6263</TD><TD align=right>48</TD><TD align=right>34</TD></TR></TFOOT></TABLE>

"Brian's Song" was what elevated Sayers to HOF status. The only movie a guy's allowed to cry while watching....

[MechanicalBull]

And as for Sayers, shhhhhhh on that! He's the best reason Terrell Davis might get in. Without Sayers the "didn't play enough" excuse has true merit.

See but I think it is going to have the opposite effect on TD. I haven't heard one person in the media compare Davis' longevity to Sayers and say he should get in. For some unknown reason everyone praises Sayers and never mentions how short of a career he played yet when Terrell's name comes up it all "he play enough" and not the he was the best rb in the league for those years, 2000 yds, Superbowl mvp and so on.

[CBF1]

What time are they going announce the class of 2008 today???

[Bronco Billy]

People like Namath and Swann got in because they were famous.
Were is the criteria that the only reason someone should be in the
Football Hall of FAME is that they managed to compile
a laundry list of stats?

It didn't hurt that Joe played in NY either. Same could be said for Harry Carson.