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Bob's your Information Minister
01-30-2008, 08:13 PM
Shanny article.
(http://kan.scout.com/2/723447.html)
Some people are rightfully angered by this offseason’s turn of events. After a 4-12 record, the worst Chiefs season since the 1980s, fans wanted blood.

When Carl Peterson wasn’t fired and Herm Edwards was retained, many were outraged. Perhaps those sentiments aren’t completely appropriate given what we’ve witnessed around the AFC West the last month.

While the Chiefs were busy searching for their new offensive coordinator, the Denver Broncos and now the Oakland Raiders were busy dealing with their own in-house problems created out of impatience and to be frank, incompetence.

Two weeks ago Denver fired Jim Bates from his position as defensive coordinator. Shortly thereafter, they released Mike Heimerdinger from his position as assistant head coach. And most recently, the news out of Oakland is that Al Davis is ready for head coach Lane Kiffin, after just one year on the job, to hit the bricks.

The Broncos and the Raiders are overreacting to poor seasons.

The situation in Denver is the bigger mess because of Mike Shanahan’s history. Since taking over as head coach of the Broncos in 1995, Shanahan has employed four different defensive coordinators – Greg Robinson, Ray Rhodes, Larry Coyer and Bates. He has now fired all four.

Only Robinson managed to stick longer than four seasons, mostly because he rode the coattails of Shanahan’s dynamic, John Elway-led offense to Super Bowl victories.

Shanahan had little patience with Robinson after those championship seasons despite the fact his team was rebuilding. Rhodes was shipped out after only two seasons and even Coyer, who actually found decent success as Denver's defensive coordinator (the Broncos were a top 10 scoring defense every year of Coyer’s tenure), was given little leeway. Now Bates, a man with a resume for building successful defenses, has been unceremoniously dumped after just one year.

These men have all become scapegoats for Shanahan, whose real failure in the post-Elway era has been horrible drafting. Of course, even if his four defensive coordinators deserved to be fired (at least two of which you can argue did not), how does Shanahan escape blame for hiring so many men who apparently couldn’t get the job done?

To make matters worse, the Broncos promoted Bob Slowik, Denver’s defensive backs coach in 2007, to replace Bates as defensive coordinator. What?

No disrespect for David Gibbs, but can you imagine the outrage in Kansas City if the Chiefs suddenly threw Gunther Cunningham out on the street and replaced him with the defensive backs coach from the previous two seasons? Jason Whitlock would have a field day with such an event.

To make matters worse, Shanahan is replacing Bates with someone whose history as an NFL defensive coordinator is spotty, and that’s being kind. In eight seasons as a coordinator, Slowik has produced one top ten defense and a litany of uninspiring units on horrible football teams. Most recently, he produced the league’s 25th ranked unit in Green Bay before being replaced by none other than Jim Bates the following season (Bates immediately elevated the Packers’ defense back to respectability).

Patience? Shanahan could definitely use the dose Clark Hunt has shown with his franchise and the men running it this offseason, especially considering he has just one playoff win since 1998 and has now missed the playoffs two years in a row.

The best part of Shanahan – Gary Kubiak, his long-standing offensive coordinator – just might be in Houston at the moment. If Heimerdinger, now the offensive coordinator in Tennessee, winds up making something of Vince Young next season, Shanahan will look awfully foolish.

As for the Raiders, Al Davis’ impatience needs no introduction. A Norv Turner here, an Art Shell there, now Lane Kiffin. Is it any surprise Oakland hasn’t posted a winning season since Rich Gannon was playing like an MVP and Bill Callahan was riding the success of Jon Gruden?

Friday the Raiders denied Kiffin was under the gun, but they did the same thing last year when Adam Schefter first reported Art Shell was on the chopping block. If Kiffin is eventually ousted as Oakland’s head coach in the coming days, Chiefs fans can be secure in the knowledge that the Raiders will never be a threat to win the AFC West until Al Davis loses patience with this mortal coil and shuffles right off it.

Chiefs fans look at Carl Peterson as a roadblock to the Super Bowl, but right now Davis' meddling ways have the Raiders stuck firmly in neutral.

Yes, Kansas City was bad last season. But at least the ship has a course, and a patient captain to man the helm. You may not agree with the direction the Chiefs are taking, but at least it's a direction.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-30-2008, 08:14 PM
Oh, and I'M BAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

Florida_Bronco
01-30-2008, 08:19 PM
You guys get that nauseous feeling too? I think that was the effect of the rapid drop in the collective IQ and rise in body fat index for the entire forum.

elsid13
01-30-2008, 08:22 PM
****, who didn't flush

broncos loveI
01-30-2008, 08:43 PM
Oh, and I'M BAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

Who gives a damn.

cmhargrove
01-30-2008, 08:45 PM
Obviously, this is an excellent article since the Chiefs have been so successful. Write it down as gospel, the Chiefs know how to build a winning organization (and draft right next to the Raiders)...

400HZ
01-30-2008, 08:49 PM
San Diego changed more coaches than almost everyone in the division combined last year and made it to the AFCCG. No mention of that, huh? Is this a C.E. Clayton original?

Bronco Jamus
01-30-2008, 08:50 PM
"Only Robinson managed to stick longer than four seasons, mostly because he rode the coattails of Shanahan’s dynamic, John Elway-led offense to Super Bowl victories."

This is where you have to believe the writer isn't atuned to our team. Those defense were great.

400HZ
01-30-2008, 08:50 PM
By the way, I'm sure Oakland, Denver, and San Diego are all thrilled with the Chiefs' patience.

elsid13
01-30-2008, 08:50 PM
San Diego changed more coaches than almost everyone in the division combined last year and made it to the AFCCG. No mention of that, huh? Is this a C.E. Clayton original?

Most likely he stole half of it from posters on other boards and refused to give them credit.

Sodak
01-30-2008, 08:51 PM
Who let this ****ing douchebag back in?

Bob's your Information Minister
01-30-2008, 08:51 PM
San Diego changed more coaches than almost everyone in the division combined last year and made it to the AFCCG. No mention of that, huh?

You're comparing apples and oranges. It's not just about changing coaches. Marty's coaching staff had run it's course. It was time for fresh blood.

Shanahan will never get back to the Super Bowl if he doesn't find a defensive coordinator and stick with him. Right now it looks like he's completely unable to do just that.

Florida_Bronco
01-30-2008, 08:55 PM
Can we move this to the butt where it belongs?

400HZ
01-30-2008, 08:55 PM
You're comparing apples and oranges. It's not just about changing coaches. Marty's coaching staff had run it's course. It was time for fresh blood.

Shanahan will never get back to the Super Bowl if he doesn't find a defensive coordinator and stick with him. Right now it looks like he's completely unable to do just that.

Ya, I could tell you wrote this **** without even checking the link.

Bronx33
01-30-2008, 08:57 PM
Hanna Montana is on bob.

Bronco Jamus
01-30-2008, 09:04 PM
Hanna Montana is on bob.

Lighten up. It's just an article.

rovolution
01-30-2008, 09:06 PM
bring the Bobo ban back.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-30-2008, 09:11 PM
Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.

Bronx33
01-30-2008, 09:14 PM
Lighten up. It's just an article.

No and don't start this crap again you already mother teresa-ed one thread.

Los Broncos
01-30-2008, 09:24 PM
More KC threads *Throws up*

Bronco Jamus
01-30-2008, 09:26 PM
No and don't start this crap again you already mother teresa-ed one thread.

Whatever you say (Francis)

Bronx33
01-30-2008, 09:29 PM
Whatever you say (Francis)

lam the sgt hulka type :wiggle:

Bronco Jamus
01-30-2008, 09:39 PM
lam the sgt hulka type :wiggle:

LOL. Big toe. :)

theAPAOps5
01-30-2008, 10:12 PM
LOL. Big toe. :)

Now you are defending one of the most pathetic posters on the mane? Next to you of course. A little history cry baby. When Broncos or anyone playing the KC Chiefs get hurt the first thing he posts is stay down bitch. Now that falls in line with what you are crying about in the LT thread.

Bronx33
01-30-2008, 10:24 PM
Now you are defending one of the most pathetic posters on the mane? Next to you of course. A little history cry baby. When Broncos or anyone playing the KC Chiefs get hurt the first thing he posts is stay down b****. Now that falls in line with what you are crying about in the LT thread.


He don't know bobo yet..:~ohyah!:

Dagmar
01-30-2008, 10:25 PM
Taco John your forum just got a lot ****tier. Seriously. It's been weird around here as it is. This page is no longer the first I check.

Bronx33
01-30-2008, 10:33 PM
We can read this drivel on warpaint bobo no need to bring it here.

Bronco Jamus
01-30-2008, 10:34 PM
Now you are defending one of the most pathetic posters on the mane? Next to you of course. A little history cry baby. When Broncos or anyone playing the KC Chiefs get hurt the first thing he posts is stay down b****. Now that falls in line with what you are crying about in the LT thread.

I don't know what you are talking about. I am not defending anyone. It is just an article though. If that poster makes fun of injured players like that: My opinion in the same. And by the way, the only person crying around here is yourself. Are you going to chase me around from thread to thread? Lighten up. It's all in good fun. Right?

theAPAOps5
01-30-2008, 10:41 PM
If I see you post in a thread then yes I may just comment on it. Its called a forum. You are quickly reaching bob status here.

Bronco Jamus
01-30-2008, 10:46 PM
If I see you post in a thread then yes I may just comment on it. Its called a forum. You are quickly reaching bob status here.


You are in a battle of wits and you are clearly un-armed, sir. You should just let it go. I just did.

Bronx33
01-30-2008, 10:57 PM
Notice how fast bob took off when i said hanna montana was on..LOL

By C.E. Wendler
Warpaint Illustrated Clown

theAPAOps5
01-30-2008, 10:58 PM
You are in a battle of wits and you are clearly un-armed, sir. You should just let it go. I just did.

Yeah I am the one un-armed! LOL. Try using the term correctly if you are going to try and insult me. If you can't handle me commenting on your posts there is something called ignore. I suggest you use it.

Killericon
01-30-2008, 11:02 PM
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

"See, you Broncos just don't know how to suck. We Chiefs have been doing it for years. We're just THAT much better than you at sucking. Eat it, b****es."

Man, that ruled.

To make matters worse, the Broncos promoted Bob Slowik, Denver’s defensive backs coach in 2007, to replace Bates as defensive coordinator.

ROFL!

Bronx33
01-30-2008, 11:05 PM
To make matters worse, the Broncos promoted Bob Slowik, Denver’s defensive backs coach in 2007, to replace Bates as defensive coordinator.



If bobos track record holds true that will come back to bite him in the as usual.

Bronco Jamus
01-30-2008, 11:10 PM
I agree that we got rid of Bates too soon, but I also am willing to give slowik a chance. We just need to get stops on third down, which previous Slowik defenses were good at.

OABB
01-30-2008, 11:11 PM
I agree that we got rid of Bates too soon, but I also am willing to give slowik a chance. We just need to get stops on third down, which previous Slowik defenses were good at.

yeah, it's those pesky fourth and 21's that we have to worry about.

ohiobronco2
01-30-2008, 11:18 PM
Oh, and I'M BAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

I'm surprised that you haven't collapsed into yourself like a neutron star.

Orange_Beard
01-30-2008, 11:22 PM
Oh, and I'M BAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

Welcome back.

Sassy
01-30-2008, 11:23 PM
Has anyone ordered Pizza yet ;D

Sodak
01-30-2008, 11:24 PM
I can see Boob's presence here is having its usual effect.
That didn't take long.

Nice. Boob posts his own ****ty article, and then comments on it. I wonder if he could write an article on his next dump.

It might be a better piece.:thanku:

Bronco Jamus
01-30-2008, 11:24 PM
yeah, it's those pesky fourth and 21's that we have to worry about.

That was the killer for me this season. Watching the defense play well on first and second down only to flake out on third and long. And sometimes fourth and long.

Sodak
01-30-2008, 11:27 PM
Has anyone ordered Pizza yet ;D

I like a white pizza. Thin crust. Taco pizza too...

SoCalBronco
01-30-2008, 11:29 PM
Poor Bob..he just loves being the board's pinata.

Florida_Bronco
01-30-2008, 11:32 PM
Poor Bob..he just loves being the board's pinata.

Bobo really is like a pinata, think about...he's constantly getting beat on and his rather large volume is filled with candy, junk food and other assorted bull****.

jbiel
01-30-2008, 11:34 PM
"Patience? Shanahan could definitely use the dose Clark Hunt has shown with his franchise and the men running it this offseason, especially considering he has just one playoff win since 1998"


And how many playoff wins do the chiefs have since 1998? Wow, it is pretty sad this guy gets his hopes up about a ****ty season. Denver has a losing record and all hell breaks loose. The Chiefs are so used to it, its just another stepping stone to hopefully break .500 the next year...

GreatBronco16
01-30-2008, 11:41 PM
I can see Boob's presence here is having its usual effect.
That didn't take long.



Sure is. He makes a thread, and the same people that bitch about him continue to flock to his threads. I mean, nobody wants him here, but yet people just continue to feed to his empty pit of ego.

Just know people, that he probably wacks off at every response you make to him. If you can live with yourself knowing that........well........more power to ya I guess.

SoCalBronco
01-30-2008, 11:47 PM
Bobo really is like a pinata, think about...he's constantly getting beat on and his rather large volume is filled with candy, junk food and other assorted bull****.

hahahahahaha....classic stuff, bro. Thanks for the sig line. Hilarious!

Bob's your Information Minister
01-30-2008, 11:55 PM
Welcome back.

Thank you. I know I am always welcomed here at the Orange Mane.

Bob's your Information Minister
01-30-2008, 11:56 PM
"Patience? Shanahan could definitely use the dose Clark Hunt has shown with his franchise and the men running it this offseason, especially considering he has just one playoff win since 1998"


And how many playoff wins do the chiefs have since 1998? Wow, it is pretty sad this guy gets his hopes up about a ****ty season. Denver has a losing record and all hell breaks loose. The Chiefs are so used to it, its just another stepping stone to hopefully break .500 the next year...

Playoff appearances in the last two years:

Chiefs - 1

Broncos - 0

Spin that!

Bronco Jamus
01-31-2008, 12:01 AM
Playoff appearances in the last two years:

Chiefs - 1

Broncos - 0

Spin that!

The Chiefs as a franchise haven't been a championship factor in almost 2 decades, and it was almost 2 decades between the one before that. I would ask you to spin that, but you cannot.

montrose
01-31-2008, 12:04 AM
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Arrowhead is DJ's House!

BroncoBuff
01-31-2008, 12:05 AM
"Only Robinson managed to stick longer than four seasons, mostly because he rode the coattails of Shanahan’s dynamic, John Elway-led offense to Super Bowl victories."

This is where you have to believe the writer isn't atuned to our team. Those defense were great.
Yeah, and he acts like Heimerdinger was fired ... nonsense. He returned to Tennessee wher he will be able to develop VY and most especially" CALL THE PLAYS. The writer is a player-hater on Denver, no doubt. Shanahan explained that Rhodes health was the problem, and Coyer had lost the confidence of this players ... his old ways were become caricatures. Shanahan takes the fall (and deserves to) for trying to shoe-horn Bates on top of Slowik.

And just for informations sake - though the writer cares little for pure data - other than DC, Shanahan's coaching staff has enjoyed excellent stability.

Bronco Jamus
01-31-2008, 12:10 AM
Yeah, and he acts like Heimerdinger was fired ... nonsense. He returned to Tennessee wher he will be able to develop VY and most especially" CALL THE PLAYS. The writer is a player-hater on Denver, no doubt. Shanahan explained that Rhodes health was the problem, and Coyer had lost the confidence of this players ... his old ways were become caricatures. Shanahan takes the fall (and deserves to) for trying to shoe-horn Bates on top of Slowik.

And just for informations sake - though the writer cares little for pure data - other than DC, Shanahan's coaching staff has enjoyed excellent stability.

I would also add that Shanahan promotes from within. Which is awesome. It gives his employees a career path.

DenverBrit
01-31-2008, 12:36 AM
Oh, and I'M Stoooooooopid !


If you were any more stupid, you'd need watering twice a week.

TheDave
01-31-2008, 12:36 AM
Unfortunately, the mane just began to suck more...

Houshyamama
01-31-2008, 12:55 AM
If you were any more stupid, you'd need watering twice a week.

Vegetation has more intelligence than this tool

Inkana7
01-31-2008, 09:02 AM
Playoff appearances in the last two years:

Chiefs - 1

Broncos - 0

Spin that!

Teams with Herm Edwards and Carl Peterson

Chiefs - 1

Broncos - 0

Popcorn Sutton
01-31-2008, 09:33 AM
Yeah, and he acts like Heimerdinger was fired ... nonsense. He returned to Tennessee wher he will be able to develop VY and most especially" CALL THE PLAYS. The writer is a player-hater on Denver, no doubt. Shanahan explained that Rhodes health was the problem, and Coyer had lost the confidence of this players ... his old ways were become caricatures. Shanahan takes the fall (and deserves to) for trying to shoe-horn Bates on top of Slowik.

And just for informations sake - though the writer cares little for pure data - other than DC, Shanahan's coaching staff has enjoyed excellent stability.

Thanks for pointing this out... I was wondering as I was reading through this thread who was going to call out Bobo for saying Dinger was let go... Actually, Shanahan let him go which is what any good head coach would do.

ol number 7
02-04-2008, 11:14 PM
Notice how fast bob took off when i said hanna montana was on..LOL

By C.E. Wendler
Warpaint Illustrated Clown

See Bob does fantasize about someone other than Willie Roaf in the three point stance.Hilarious!

Florida_Bronco
02-04-2008, 11:26 PM
Glad to see this thread ended up in the appropriate forum.