Kennedy Endorses Obama

[Rohirrim]

The liberal wing of the Dems has now lined up firmly behind Obama. IMO, this could sink the Clinton candidacy. What I'm sure of is that the convention will be entertaining. !Booya!

[Bronco Bob]

So much for the theory that Hillary is a far left liberal.
Say Obama gets the nomination. How many think
that the GOP will paint Obama as the Candidate of
Teddy Kennedy and John Kerry?

[Rohirrim]

So much for the theory that Hillary is a far left liberal.
Say Obama gets the nomination. How many think
that the GOP will paint Obama as the Candidate of
Teddy Kennedy and John Kerry?

They're licking their chops for Obama. I'm watching Chris Matthews as Kennedy is about to start his speech. Chris is giggling with pleasure. Ha!

[Spider]

They're licking their chops for Obama. I'm watching Chris Matthews as Kennedy is about to start his speech. Chris is giggling with pleasure. Ha!

Over at crooks and liars , they nick named Mathews Twitty

[Rohirrim]

Teddy is launching into his speech now on MSNBC.

[Bronco Bob]

Teddy is launching into his speech now on MSNBC.

For Obama's sake, hopefully Teddy stayed sober enough to not fall of the podium. ROFL!

[Rohirrim]

For Obama's sake, hopefully Teddy stayed sober enough to not fall of the podium. ROFL!

That's unfair. He hasn't had a drink in decades. In fact, he looks better than I've seen him in years. He's actually giving a pretty good speech.

[alkemical]

I saw neil young fall of the stage and not miss a note... i think teddy can hang.

[TheDave]

That's unfair. He hasn't had a drink in decades. In fact, he looks better than I've seen him in years. He's actually giving a pretty good speech.


Sammy Sooser and Mike MacGuire...:thumbs:

[Rohirrim]

Obama gave an okay speech. I expected more fire. They're co-opting the old "torch is passed to a new generation" trope. Everybody looks sincere and heartfelt and happy. The young are getting behind Obama. I'm afraid I'm just too much of a cynic. I've lived through Nixon, Raygun, Bush, Clinton and (the worst of them all) Dubya. I no longer have much hope.

[alkemical]

Obama gave an okay speech. I expected more fire. They're co-opting the old "torch is passed to a new generation" trope. Everybody looks sincere and heartfelt and happy. The young are getting behind Obama. I'm afraid I'm just too much of a cynic. I've lived through Nixon, Raygun, Bush, Clinton and (the worst of them all) Dubya. I no longer have much hope.

I have hope - besides about christmas of this year (I know it's some time off) - i will have introduced a new weapon in the war of ideas. :)

[Bronco Bob]

Notice how the media never mentioned that Hillary has the endorsement of
Bobby Kennedy Jr., Kerry Kennedy, Anthony Kennedy Shriver and Kathleen
Kennedy Townsend - a former Democratic lieutenant governor of Maryland.
The media isn't backing Obama? Hahaha.

[Rohirrim]

Notice how the media never mentioned that Hillary has the endorsement of
Bobby Kennedy Jr., Kerry Kennedy, Anthony Kennedy Shriver and Kathleen
Kennedy Townsend - a former Democratic lieutenant governor of Maryland.
The media isn't backing Obama? Hahaha.

Actually, Nora O'Donnell has Townsend on right now discussing that subject.

[Spider]

I wonder if Kennedy has any connection with Tony Rezko the piece of ****

[24champ]

I thought good ol Teddy was going to endorse McCain ???

[baja]

This will be very good for Obama.

mcCain is starting to scare me he's gaining too much momentum.

[epicSocialism4tw]

This will be very good for Obama.

mcCain is starting to scare me he's gaining too much momentum.

He's gaining momentum outside of his party.

[Bronco Bob]

Someone brought up an interesting point as to what may
have motivated Teddy to endorse Obama. Up until the Clintons
came along the Kennedys, banking on the legend of JFK and RFK,
were The Clan/Dynasty of the Democratic party. Then along came
the Clintons stealing their thunder. So anything that marginalizes
the Clintons only helps to bolster the Kennedy legend.
Teddy is just jealous the Clintons. And Obama is just a vehicle used
by Teddy in an attempt to maintain any Kennedy importance that
may remain. If you want to talk about old vs new, what could
be older than Teddy? Teddy's endorsement is just a desperate
attempt to remain relevant.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Someone brought up an interesting point as to what may
have motivated Teddy to endorse Obama. Up until the Clintons
came along the Kennedys, banking on the legend of JFK and RFK,
were The Clan/Dynasty of the Democratic party. Then along came
the Clintons stealing their thunder. So anything that marginalizes
the Clintons only helps to bolster the Kennedy legend.
Teddy is just jealous the Clintons. And Obama is just a vehicle used
by Teddy in an attempt to maintain any Kennedy importance that
may remain. If you want to talk about old vs new, what could
be older than Teddy? Teddy's endorsement is just a desperate
attempt to remain relevant.


Nah...that's a little too juvenile of an explaination. I'm not saying that Kennedy is not juvenile, but he does have handlers.

[frerottenextelway]

Notice how the media never mentioned that Hillary has the endorsement of
Bobby Kennedy Jr., Kerry Kennedy, Anthony Kennedy Shriver and Kathleen
Kennedy Townsend - a former Democratic lieutenant governor of Maryland.
The media isn't backing Obama? Hahaha.

If they hadn't of mentioned it you wouldn't have known it, but Caroline and Ted are much bigger stories. Kinda like how nobody cares that Patrick was on stage with them. It would be like if Kyle thought it was unfair everyone talked about that other Brady.

[frerottenextelway]

Oh, and for those that like political gossip, there's a strong play being made right now to get a certain former VP to endorse a certain senator.

[Bronco Bob]

Here's an interesting tid-bit. 49% of the people who voted Democrat in
Florida thought the Kennedy endorsment of Obama was important.
Of those people, 40% voted for Hillary and 47% voted for Obama.
While 47% didn't think it was important. Needless to say, 57%
of them voted for Hillary and only 22% voted for Obama.

At least in Florida Kennedy didn't have much of an effect.

http://election.cbsnews.com/campaign2008/exitPoll.shtml?state=FL&race=P&jurisdiction=0&party=D

[alkemical]

It seems the only kennedy that has any real effect these days is Ahnold

[Bob]

So much for the theory that Hillary is a far left liberal.
Say Obama gets the nomination. How many think
that the GOP will paint Obama as the Candidate of
Teddy Kennedy and John Kerry?

Obama is left of Hilary (that is saying something)

People are lining up to support Obama becuase the guy is capable of united vs. shreading the country to hell for political points.

[Rohirrim]

Obama is left of Hilary (that is saying something)

People are lining up to support Obama becuase the guy is capable of united vs. shreading the country to hell for political points.

I have yet to comprehend why anybody on the Right considers Billary a leftist. The Clinton's are about as center, center/right as you could be. Why do you think the entire left wing of the Dem Party is turning their backs on her?

[24champ]

I have yet to comprehend why anybody on the Right considers Billary a leftist.

Universal Healthcare etc and here is where she stands according to ontheissues.org


http://www.issues2000.org/images/s090_020.gif

http://www.issues2000.org/images/s090_020.gif



Doesn't look like a centrist to me Roh.

[alkemical]

I have yet to comprehend why anybody on the Right considers Billary a leftist. The Clinton's are about as center, center/right as you could be. Why do you think the entire left wing of the Dem Party is turning their backs on her?


Shhh, stop making sense.

[frerottenextelway]

I have yet to comprehend why anybody on the Right considers Billary a leftist. The Clinton's are about as center, center/right as you could be. Why do you think the entire left wing of the Dem Party is turning their backs on her?

This is one of those generic sayings that gets repeated over and over enough that people begin to believe it. Clinton is way more socialist, both in practice and in words than Obama. I believe she even called herself a socialist not too far back. At least in my mind, I consider socialism to the far left (not that that's bad) and the Clintons (especially Hillary) to be just that.

[Bronco Bob]

Universal Healthcare etc and here is where she stands according to ontheissues.org


Doesn't look like a centrist to me Roh.

Romney also supported Universal Health Insurance when he was governor of Massachusetts.

So it not just a Democrat vs Republican issue.

[Bronco Bob]

This is one of those generic sayings that gets repeated over and over enough that people begin to believe it. Clinton is way more socialist, both in practice and in words than Obama.

Cite some examples.


I believe she even called herself a socialist not too far back.


Provide a credible link where she said that. (Not just some far right wing blog.)



At least in my mind, I consider socialism to the far left (not that that's bad) and the Clintons (especially Hillary) to be just that.

Not having seen you around here until recently, I doubt know your
political orientation. So who would you consider to be a centrist?
But ignore that for a minute, and explain why if Bill and Hillary are
so far left, the far left hates them so much.

[frerottenextelway]

Cite some examples.



Provide a credible link where she said that. (Not just some far right wing blog.)



Not having seen you around here until recently, I doubt know your
political orientation. So who would you consider to be a centrist?
But ignore that for a minute, and explain why if Bill and Hillary are
so far left, the far left hates them so much.

The obvious specific example here would be her ideal of a government run mandatory health care system. We can debate if that's good or bad, but it's a socialist ideal.

On a broader perspective, here's her economic beliefs from May '07:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speech/view/?id=1839

(snipping for points, not to exclude contexts)

"It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few and for the few, time to reject the idea of an "on your own" society and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity. I prefer a "we're all in it together" society."

Now of course, also in her speach, she also praises free markets. It comes across much like Europe post WWII where they had what were coined "mixed economies", where major industries (ie., health care) would be government run (socialism), while the free markets would largely be open in the 'non-essentials'.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that idealogy is necessarily wrong, I'm just saying that's very far left of center of traditional views on free market capitalism.

As for her calling herself a socialist, I couldn't find a quote that didn't go 30 years back (although I did say I believe and didn't present it as fact). As we say in PA, whoops.

As for me, I'm a social liberal and a mixed bag that leans left on *most* fiscal issues.

[Rohirrim]

Then why is the entire Left Wing of the Dems lining up behind Obama?

[Bronco Bob]

Then why is the entire Left Wing of the Dems lining up behind Obama?

It's kind of funny, Obama is running on "we need to get rid of the old politics"
And he's got these career politician fossils like Kennedy and Kerry endorsing him.

Interestingly Katie said on the CBS News tonight that John Edwards
isn't going to endorse either one. He feels Obama doesn't have
enough experience, and Hillary is too divisive. Be interesting to
see if Katie got the straight scoop.

[baja]

I think the same about both of them as well.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Universal Healthcare etc and here is where she stands according to ontheissues.org


http://www.issues2000.org/images/s090_020.gif

http://www.issues2000.org/images/s090_020.gif



Doesn't look like a centrist to me Roh.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=20704&stc=1&d=1197348109

http://www.politicalcompass.org/index

[TailgateNut]

It's kind of funny, Obama is running on "we need to get rid of the old politics"
And he's got these career politician fossils like Kennedy and Kerry endorsing him.

Interestingly Katie said on the CBS News tonight that John Edwards
isn't going to endorse either one. He feels Obama doesn't have
enough experience, and Hillary is too divisive. Be interesting to
see if Katie got the straight scoop.



The same political fossil Billary wishes had endorsed her for president? Is that the one you are referring to?

[Spider]

Universal Healthcare etc and here is where she stands according to ontheissues.org


http://www.issues2000.org/images/s090_020.gif

http://www.issues2000.org/images/s090_020.gif



Doesn't look like a centrist to me Roh.

LOL , why not put down the fact that Hillary sat in a corner , while Wal Mart faught against unions comming in .........
Hillary was in a goos position to fight for Unions , didnt do it ......
This is what aggravates me about the right , they find 1 nugget and they run with it , they dont bother to look deep into the person ...... Hillary is a clone of Bush , Bush is an Oil Slut , Hillary will be tech and Nuke slut ......
Same ole Same , different industry

[Spider]

The only ones that would have brought about Real change was Edwards and Kucinich , and we saw what happened to those 2 that tried to fight the system ......

[Spider]

I still dont have a good read on Obama , but I cant get past the Coke and Renzo part ...... that really trips me up

[Bronco Bob]

The same political fossil Billary wishes had endorsed her for president? Is that the one you are referring to?

Hillary isn't the one boasting about how she is the one going to get rid
of the "old politics". So by your own admission Obama is just another politician.
Obama prattles on about how we need a new direction, taking jabs at the
Clinton years in the 90's. And yet he is channeling the Kennedys, who had
their glory years in the 60's.

[Rohirrim]

I guarantee you, if Obama is the Dems candidate, it's four more years of GOP in the WH.

[Spider]

I guarantee you, if Obama is the Dems candidate, it's four more years of GOP in the WH.

it will be a ObamaNATION

[RaiderH8r]

I’m thinking the ladies at NOW-NY need to stop beating around the bush and just say Chappaquiddick.

http://www.nownys.org/pr_2008/pr_012808.html<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
“Women have just experienced the ultimate betrayal. Senator Kennedy’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton’s opponent in the Democratic presidential primary campaign has really hit women hard. Women have forgiven Kennedy, stuck up for him, stood by him, hushed the fact that he was late in his support of Title IX, the ERA, the Family Leave and Medical Act to name a few. Women have buried their anger that his support for the compromises in No Child Left Behind and the Medicare bogus drug benefit brought us the passage of these flawed bills. We have thanked him for his ardent support of many civil rights bills, BUT women are always waiting in the wings.<o:p></o:p>
“And now the greatest betrayal! We are repaid with his abandonment! He’s picked the new guy over us. He’s joined the list of progressive white men who can’t or won’t handle the prospect of a woman president who is Hillary Clinton (they will of course say they support a woman president, just not “this” one). ‘They’ are Howard Dean and Jim Dean (Yup! That’s Howard’s brother) who run DFA (that’s the group and list from the Dean campaign that we women helped start and grow). They are Alternet, Progressive Democrats of America, democrats.com, Kucinich lovers and all the other groups that take women’s money, say they’ll do feminist and women’s rights issues one of these days, and conveniently forget to mention women and children when they talk about poverty or human needs or <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>’s future or whatever.<o:p></o:p>
“This latest move by Kennedy, is so telling about the status of and respect for women’s rights, women’s voices, women’s equality, women’s authority and our ability – indeed, our obligation - to promote and earn and deserve and elect, unabashedly, a President that is the first woman after centuries of men who ‘know what’s best for us.’”<o:p></o:p>

[Spider]

I’m thinking the ladies at NOW-NY need to stop beating around the bush and just say Chappaquiddick.

http://www.nownys.org/pr_2008/pr_012808.html<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p>
<o:p> </o:p>
“Women have just experienced the ultimate betrayal. Senator Kennedy’s endorsement of Hillary Clinton’s opponent in the Democratic presidential primary campaign has really hit women hard. Women have forgiven Kennedy, stuck up for him, stood by him, hushed the fact that he was late in his support of Title IX, the ERA, the Family Leave and Medical Act to name a few. Women have buried their anger that his support for the compromises in No Child Left Behind and the Medicare bogus drug benefit brought us the passage of these flawed bills. We have thanked him for his ardent support of many civil rights bills, BUT women are always waiting in the wings.<o:p></o:p>
“And now the greatest betrayal! We are repaid with his abandonment! He’s picked the new guy over us. He’s joined the list of progressive white men who can’t or won’t handle the prospect of a woman president who is Hillary Clinton (they will of course say they support a woman president, just not “this” one). ‘They’ are Howard Dean and Jim Dean (Yup! That’s Howard’s brother) who run DFA (that’s the group and list from the Dean campaign that we women helped start and grow). They are Alternet, Progressive Democrats of America, democrats.com, Kucinich lovers and all the other groups that take women’s money, say they’ll do feminist and women’s rights issues one of these days, and conveniently forget to mention women and children when they talk about poverty or human needs or <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">America</st1:place></st1:country-region>’s future or whatever.<o:p></o:p>
“This latest move by Kennedy, is so telling about the status of and respect for women’s rights, women’s voices, women’s equality, women’s authority and our ability – indeed, our obligation - to promote and earn and deserve and elect, unabashedly, a President that is the first woman after centuries of men who ‘know what’s best for us.’”<o:p></o:p>
so basicaly , if we dont support Hillary , we hate women ......... Well there are over 50,000 battered women in America , I sitill eat mine plain .......

[alkemical]

I still dont have a good read on Obama , but I cant get past the Coke and Renzo part ...... that really trips me up

Well, i've learned to never ever trust a coke head.

[Bronco Bob]

so basicaly , if we dont support Hillary , we hate women ......... Well there are over 50,000 battered women in America , I sitill eat mine plain .......

Yeah. I support Hillary, but even I think NOW went a little overboard.
People should support Hillary because she is the best candidate,
not just because she is a woman.
What you really have is the gang of four: Al Gore, John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy,
and Howard Dean. All four have grudges against the Clintons and are working
together behind the scenes to undermine Hillary's campaign. Has nothing to
do with her being a woman. If Bill had a brother or cousin running, they would
be working equally as hard to keep him from the nomination.

[TailgateNut]

Yeah. I support Hillary, but even I think NOW went a little overboard.
People should support Hillary because she is the best candidate,
not just because she is a woman.
What you really have is the gang of four: Al Gore, John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy,
and Howard Dean. All four have grudges against the Clintons and are working
together behind the scenes to undermine Hillary's campaign. Has nothing to
do with her being a woman. If Bill had a brother or cousin running, they would
be working equally as hard to keep him from the nomination.


So why does the "gang of four" have a grudge against the Clintons?

[RaiderH8r]

Yeah. I support Hillary, but even I think NOW went a little overboard.
People should support Hillary because she is the best candidate,
not just because she is a woman.
What you really have is the gang of four: Al Gore, John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy,
and Howard Dean. All four have grudges against the Clintons and are working
together behind the scenes to undermine Hillary's campaign. Has nothing to
do with her being a woman. If Bill had a brother or cousin running, they would
be working equally as hard to keep him from the nomination.

They're finding out a bit what it's like to campaign as a Republican. If you're running against a woman if you have the audacity to disagree in any way you're castigated (or castrated in extreme cases). If you're running against a person of color and you have the audacity to disagree in any way you're called a racist. I'm kicking up my feet a bit and grinning to see some of those that have employed this technique so effectively fall victim to it now.

[baja]

I guarantee you, if Obama is the Dems candidate, it's four more years of GOP in the WH.

Is it too late for Gore to get in the race?

[baja]

so basicaly , if we dont support Hillary , we hate women ......... <b>Well there are over 50,000 battered women in America , I sitill eat mine plain .......

Not at all funny Spider.

[baja]

They're finding out a bit what it's like to campaign as a Republican. If you're running against a woman if you have the audacity to disagree in any way you're castigated (or castrated in extreme cases). If you're running against a person of color and you have the audacity to disagree in any way you're called a racist. I'm kicking up my feet a bit and grinning to see some of those that have employed this technique so effectively fall victim to it now.

There should be not place for that kind of stuff in an election just exposes the root problem as to we elect such crapy leaders.

[Rohirrim]

There should be not place for that kind of stuff in an election just exposes the root problem as to we elect such crapy leaders.

Another reason we get such crappy leaders is because the media decides who we should vote for by limiting their coverage to the candidates they prefer. Right now, they prefer Obama.

[Bronco Bob]

So why does the "gang of four" have a grudge against the Clintons?

Basically Al Gore feels Bill was more interested in getting Hillary elected
to the Senate than Bill was in getting Gore elected president. Plus
he feels they marginalized him as VP.
Dean is upset they didn't do more to get him the nomination in 2004.
Kerry feels they didn't do enough to get him elected president in 2004.
Teddy doesn't like the idea that the Clintons usurped the Kennedy
dynasty as the ideological head of the Democratic party.
So it's a mixture of grudge, resentment, and jealousy.
Bring down the Clintons and they can move in as the voice
of the Democratic party with a naive and inexperienced
candidate like Obama to do their bidding.

[cutthemdown]

Wait until some pic surfaces of Obama wiffing a huge line. I'm not saying there is one, but if repubs had one you can bet they would save it for a general election.

[cutthemdown]

Is it too late for Gore to get in the race?

nope

[Rohirrim]

No, it was the Monica Lewinsky thing that destroyed the Clinton/Gore relationship. Gore was disgusted with that whole thing and totally lost all respect for Clinton because of it. Also, Clinton lied to his face about it. Gore is actually a scrupulous individual. Bubba, he found out, is not. Bubba offered to help Gore in his campaign and Gore said, "No thanks." He no longer wanted to be associated with the Clintons. Sounds like that Southern "Man of Honor" thing. ;D

[TailgateNut]

Basically Al Gore feels Bill was more interested in getting Hillary elected
to the Senate than Bill was in getting Gore elected president. Plus
he feels they marginalized him as VP.
Dean is upset they didn't do more to get him the nomination in 2004.
Kerry feels they didn't do enough to get him elected president in 2004.
Teddy doesn't like the idea that the Clintons usurped the Kennedy
dynasty as the ideological head of the Democratic party.
So it's a mixture of grudge, resentment, and jealousy.
Bring down the Clintons and they can move in as the voice
of the Democratic party with a naive and inexperienced
candidate like Obama to do their bidding.



It sounds like they are already making excuses for their eventual loss, if what you say is true.

[Bronco Bob]

It sounds like they are already making excuses for their eventual loss, if what you say is true.

Who is "they"? You asked who the gang of four is, I told you.
You have an odd thought process. You ask a question.
You are given a straight answer. And then you search
around for hidden meanings.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Gore_endorse_Obama/2008/01/28/68076.html

[TailgateNut]

Who is "they"? You asked who the gang of four is, I told you.
You have an odd thought process. You ask a question.
You are given a straight answer. And then you search
around for hidden meanings.

http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/Gore_endorse_Obama/2008/01/28/68076.html


They= The Clintons.

[alkemical]

It goes to show, there always is a "they" isn't there

[Bronco Bob]

They= The Clintons.

And where exactly are the Clintons making excuses?
Show me where any of this was put out by the Clintons.
That's the problem with the Hillary haters. When the
Hillary haters can't find anything legitimate to knock the
Clintons about, the Hillary haters just make up stuff.

[TailgateNut]

BOB, this is what you posted:"What you really have is the gang of four: Al Gore, John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy,
and Howard Dean. All four have grudges against the Clintons and are working
together behind the scenes to undermine Hillary's campaign. Has nothing to
do with her being a woman. If Bill had a brother or cousin running, they would
be working equally as hard to keep him from the nomination"

Where you found this, is where "They are"! Get it?

[Bronco Bob]

Where you found this, is where "They are"! Get it?

Not really. How does the claims that these four people are
working to undermine the Clinton campaign translate
into this is just an excuse put out by the Clintons
if the Clintons lose? Show me where the Clinton's
hand is in this.

[baja]

Another reason we get such crappy leaders is because the media decides who we should vote for by limiting their coverage to the candidates they prefer. Right now, they prefer Obama.

True. BTW who is Ron Paul, a rock star.

[alkemical]

*turns amp to 11*

[baja]

It goes to show, there always is a "they" isn't there

Only in the illusion of duality.

[alkemical]

Only in the illusion of duality.

:)

[Spider]

Not at all funny Spider.

So I should batter my wife ?

[baja]

so basicaly , if we dont support Hillary , we hate women ......... Well there are over 50,000 battered women in America , I sitill eat mine plain .......

Spider - So I should batter my wife ?

Well it is better to keep it in the family

[Spider]

Well it is better to keep it in the family

Keep shooting , sooner ot later you will pick up the Irony of my post

[baja]

Maybe I missed it as you say, I took it to mean you prefer to eat unbattered women.

Oh I get it as in pancakes. ;D

[Spider]

Maybe I missed it as you say, I took it to mean you prefer to eat unbattered women.

Oh I get it as in pancakes. ;D:wiggle: it isnt easy being a misunderstood genius .....

[Spider]

But the point I was taking the long way to make is we see women as objects , men as leaders ... A woman is a Bitch , guys are leaders or Idiots ...

[RaiderH8r]

There should be not place for that kind of stuff in an election just exposes the root problem as to we elect such crapy leaders.

Good...bad...it just is. That's the way these things work. Rhetorical bombs are lobbed, insults hurled, garbage dug through. It's how politics has always worked.

Elected officials are rarely as good as we think they should be, no matter the philosophy. There are a lot of interests to weigh and, whether we like it or not, everybody gets a say. Folks will lose to be sure but a skilled political group can surely make things difficult.

Whatever, I'm going off my philosophy and going back to rhetorical bombs. It amuses me.

[baja]

:wiggle: it isnt easy being a misunderstood genius .....

Especially in Wyoming. ;D

[baja]

Good...bad...it just is. That's the way these things work. Rhetorical bombs are lobbed, insults hurled, garbage dug through. It's how politics has always worked.

Elected officials are rarely as good as we think they should be, no matter the philosophy. There are a lot of interests to weigh and, whether we like it or not, everybody gets a say. Folks will lose to be sure but a skilled political group can surely make things difficult.

Whatever, I'm going off my philosophy and going back to rhetorical bombs. It amuses me.

Snob. ;D

[RaiderH8r]

But the point I was taking the long way to make is we see women as objects , men as leaders ... A woman is a b**** , guys are leaders or Idiots ...

A married man, in good conscience, should never vote for a female. Isn't it bad enough we have a woman running our lives in the home? At least when a man is an elected official it gives some semblance that our gender is still relevant in some fashion. Haven't men been emasculated enough by our sissified, grilled veggie platter, half-soy, low fat, slim fast, metrosexual society? Do we really need one more woman telling us just how useless we really are? If entertainment truly is a reflection of our times then we need look no further than Homer Simpson, Ray Romano, or any other of the slew of inept men, stumbling about aimlessly through their moribund lives while their strong, intelligent, and independent women keep their leashes taught and give guidance and security to the household with their timeless wisdom and insight. While on another channel straight men are told their uniform of choice, jeans, t-shirt, sweatshirt, flannel shirt, or overalls, the uniform of a bygone era of working man, used to dirtying his hands and wiping sweat from his brow, is no longer an acceptable form of attire. Straight men need to cast aside the proud uniform of their forefathers, those that taught them the ethos of work, pride, and responsibility, and don instead a designer line of clothes at a designer price because straight men are too inept to dress themselves.

Now, I leave it to the readers to devine my sarcasm from truth and find out where their thinking lies.

[TailgateNut]

A married man, in good conscience, should never vote for a female. Isn't it bad enough we have a woman running our lives in the home? At least when a man is an elected official it gives some semblance that our gender is still relevant in some fashion. Haven't men been emasculated enough by our sissified, grilled veggie platter, half-soy, low fat, slim fast, metrosexual society? Do we really need one more woman telling us just how useless we really are? If entertainment truly is a reflection of our times then we need look no further than Homer Simpson, Ray Romano, or any other of the slew of inept men, stumbling about aimlessly through their moribund lives while their strong, intelligent, and independent women keep their leashes taught and give guidance and security to the household with their timeless wisdom and insight. While on another channel straight men are told their uniform of choice, jeans, t-shirt, sweatshirt, flannel shirt, or overalls, the uniform of a bygone era of working man, used to dirtying his hands and wiping sweat from his brow, is no longer an acceptable form of attire. Straight men need to cast aside the proud uniform of their forefathers, those that taught them the ethos of work, pride, and responsibility, and don instead a designer line of clothes at a designer price because straight men are too inept to dress themselves.

Now, I leave it to the readers to devine my sarcasm from truth and find out where their thinking lies.


Speak for yourself, sweetheart!

[baja]

ya let us return to the days when "Father knows best" ;D

[RaiderH8r]

ya let us return to the days when "Father knows best" ;D

Lucy still ain't splained sh!t.:afro:

[baja]

Now that was a show!

[RaiderH8r]

Now that was a show!

:wiggle:

[Bronco Bob]

This is one of those generic sayings that gets repeated over and over enough that people begin to believe it. Clinton is way more socialist, both in practice and in words than Obama. I believe she even called herself a socialist not too far back. At least in my mind, I consider socialism to the far left (not that that's bad) and the Clintons (especially Hillary) to be just that.


Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007

By Brian Friel, Richard E. Cohen and Kirk Victor, National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Thursday, Jan. 31, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., the other front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, also shifted to the left last year. She ranked as the 16th-most-liberal senator in the 2007 ratings, a computer-assisted analysis that used 99 key Senate votes, selected by NJ reporters and editors, to place every senator on a liberal-to-conservative scale in each of three issue categories. In 2006, Clinton was the 32nd-most-liberal senator.

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/

[TailgateNut]

Obama: Most Liberal Senator In 2007

By Brian Friel, Richard E. Cohen and Kirk Victor, National Journal
© National Journal Group Inc.
Thursday, Jan. 31, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was the most liberal senator in 2007, according to National Journal's 27th annual vote ratings. The insurgent presidential candidate shifted further to the left last year in the run-up to the primaries, after ranking as the 16th- and 10th-most-liberal during his first two years in the Senate.

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, D-N.Y., the other front-runner in the Democratic presidential race, also shifted to the left last year. She ranked as the 16th-most-liberal senator in the 2007 ratings, a computer-assisted analysis that used 99 key Senate votes, selected by NJ reporters and editors, to place every senator on a liberal-to-conservative scale in each of three issue categories. In 2006, Clinton was the 32nd-most-liberal senator.

http://nj.nationaljournal.com/voteratings/


and?

[Bronco Bob]

and?

frerottenextelway is wrong.

[Rohirrim]

A married man, in good conscience, should never vote for a female. Isn't it bad enough we have a woman running our lives in the home? At least when a man is an elected official it gives some semblance that our gender is still relevant in some fashion. Haven't men been emasculated enough by our sissified, grilled veggie platter, half-soy, low fat, slim fast, metrosexual society? Do we really need one more woman telling us just how useless we really are? If entertainment truly is a reflection of our times then we need look no further than Homer Simpson, Ray Romano, or any other of the slew of inept men, stumbling about aimlessly through their moribund lives while their strong, intelligent, and independent women keep their leashes taught and give guidance and security to the household with their timeless wisdom and insight. While on another channel straight men are told their uniform of choice, jeans, t-shirt, sweatshirt, flannel shirt, or overalls, the uniform of a bygone era of working man, used to dirtying his hands and wiping sweat from his brow, is no longer an acceptable form of attire. Straight men need to cast aside the proud uniform of their forefathers, those that taught them the ethos of work, pride, and responsibility, and don instead a designer line of clothes at a designer price because straight men are too inept to dress themselves.

Now, I leave it to the readers to devine my sarcasm from truth and find out where their thinking lies.

I'll bet this was funny, but my wife wouldn't let me read it.

BTW, she decided I should vote for Hillary. :pity:

[Spider]

;D I dont when it happened or if I ever really had it , but I lost control over the house , But in my Rig , I am still King , I make all the choices , except if the wife rides along ........

[Bronco Bob]

BOB, this is what you posted:"What you really have is the gang of four: Al Gore, John Kerry, Teddy Kennedy,
and Howard Dean. All four have grudges against the Clintons and are working
together behind the scenes to undermine Hillary's campaign. Has nothing to
do with her being a woman. If Bill had a brother or cousin running, they would
be working equally as hard to keep him from the nomination"

Where you found this, is where "They are"! Get it?

Tailgate, I get the idea you just think I'm making this stuff up as I go along.
It's not the Clintons that are saying this or just using it for cover
in case they lose, rather than Teddy feeling that the Clintons
were usurping the Kennedy dynasty. Unless you are trying to claim
the Clintons control the Washington Post Newspaper.

Clinton's LBJ Comments Infuriated Ted Kennedy


There's more to Sen. Edward Kennedy's endorsement of Barack Obama than meets the eye. Apparently, part of the reason why the liberal lion from Massachusetts embraced Obama was because of a perceived slight at the Kennedy family's civil rights legacy by the other Democratic presidential primary frontrunner, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).

Sources say Kennedy was privately furious at Clinton for her praise of President Lyndon Baines Johnson for getting the 1964 Civil Rights Act accomplished. Jealously guarding the legacy of the Kennedy family dynasty, Senator Kennedy felt Clinton's LBJ comments were an implicit slight of his brother, President John F. Kennedy, who first proposed the landmark civil rights initiative in a famous televised civil rights address in June 1963.

One anonymous source described Kennedy as having a "meltdown" in reaction to Clinton's comments. Another source close to the Kennedy family says Senator Kennedy was upset about two instances that occurred on a single day of campaigning in New Hampshire on Jan. 7, a day before the state's primary.

The first was at an event in Dover, N.H., at which Clinton supporter Francine Torge introduced the former first lady saying, "Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated. And Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one who actually" signed the civil rights bill into law.

The Kennedy insider says Senator Kennedy was deeply offended that Clinton remained silent and "sat passively by" rather than correcting the record on his slain brother's civil rights record.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/01/post_11.html

In other words his endorsement has nothing to do with Obama's credentials. Teddy is just getting even. That is pretty childish.

[bronco militia]

http://www.nypost.com/delonas/2008/01/01292008.jpg

[Bronco Bob]

:~ohyah!:

[TailgateNut]

Tailgate, I get the idea you just think I'm making this stuff up as I go along.
It's not the Clintons that are saying this or just using it for cover
in case they lose, rather than Teddy feeling that the Clintons
were usurping the Kennedy dynasty. Unless you are trying to claim
the Clintons control the Washington Post Newspaper.

Clinton's LBJ Comments Infuriated Ted Kennedy


There's more to Sen. Edward Kennedy's endorsement of Barack Obama than meets the eye. Apparently, part of the reason why the liberal lion from Massachusetts embraced Obama was because of a perceived slight at the Kennedy family's civil rights legacy by the other Democratic presidential primary frontrunner, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.).

Sources say Kennedy was privately furious at Clinton for her praise of President Lyndon Baines Johnson for getting the 1964 Civil Rights Act accomplished. Jealously guarding the legacy of the Kennedy family dynasty, Senator Kennedy felt Clinton's LBJ comments were an implicit slight of his brother, President John F. Kennedy, who first proposed the landmark civil rights initiative in a famous televised civil rights address in June 1963.

One anonymous source described Kennedy as having a "meltdown" in reaction to Clinton's comments. Another source close to the Kennedy family says Senator Kennedy was upset about two instances that occurred on a single day of campaigning in New Hampshire on Jan. 7, a day before the state's primary.

The first was at an event in Dover, N.H., at which Clinton supporter Francine Torge introduced the former first lady saying, "Some people compare one of the other candidates to John F. Kennedy. But he was assassinated. And Lyndon Baines Johnson was the one who actually" signed the civil rights bill into law.

The Kennedy insider says Senator Kennedy was deeply offended that Clinton remained silent and "sat passively by" rather than correcting the record on his slain brother's civil rights record.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/sleuth/2008/01/post_11.html

In other words his endorsement has nothing to do with Obama's credentials. Teddy is just getting even. That is pretty childish.



Well, boohoo! I trust Billary as much as I trust Bush! Get it!

[Rohirrim]

;D I dont when it happened or if I ever really had it , but I lost control over the house , But in my Rig , I am still King , I make all the choices , except if the wife rides along ........

Actually, I was joking until I sat here for a second and suddenly realized that every article of clothing I'm wearing was bought for me by my wife. Hilarious!

[Bronco Bob]

Well, boohoo! I trust Billary as much as I trust Bush! Get it!

And?

[epicSocialism4tw]

I guarantee you, if Obama is the Dems candidate, it's four more years of GOP in the WH.

Ah...so fear is your motivation.

You may see the same flaws in Hillary that everyone else sees, but you are too power hungry to vote according to your own beliefs?

Interesting.

[Rohirrim]

Ah...so fear is your motivation.

You may see the same flaws in Hillary that everyone else sees, but you are too power hungry to vote according to your own beliefs?

Interesting.

??? I'm voting for Ron Paul. What you talkin' bout?

[baja]

Llamatron alert!!!!!

[alkemical]

Llamatron alert!!!!!

Code plaid, code plaid!

[epicSocialism4tw]

??? I'm voting for Ron Paul. What you talkin' bout?

Mmmmkay...
http://thehive.modbee.com/files/images/Hillary%20Clinton.bmp

[24champ]

Mmmmkay...
http://thehive.modbee.com/files/images/Hillary%20Clinton.bmp

Ha! Dude I didn't need a visual...

[epicSocialism4tw]

Ha! Dude I didn't need a visual...

What did you say? You wanted another? Sure! :thumbs:
http://www.usasurvival.org/images/hillary.jpg

[Rohirrim]

Mmmmkay...


http://www.funnypictures.dk/data/media/1/51_2.jpg

[alkemical]

http://www.funnypictures.dk/data/media/1/51_2.jpg

Quoted for making me laugh out loud

[alkemical]

Oh i think the llama takes himself too seriously. I got b-a-a-a-a-d rep. LOL!

[Spider]

Actually, I was joking until I sat here for a second and suddenly realized that every article of clothing I'm wearing was bought for me by my wife. Hilarious!

LOL same here

[Spider]

http://www.funnypictures.dk/data/media/1/51_2.jpg

ROFL! .. oh **** that is priceless

[Spider]

Ah...so fear is your motivation.

You may see the same flaws in Hillary that everyone else sees, but you are too power hungry to vote according to your own beliefs?

Interesting.

Yeah it is very interesting .........Seeing how Roh is a Paulie .........

[Spider]

I am still laughing at that picture , I am making copies of it , cut it down wallet size , then tell everyone is a picture of my wife . they will freak at truckstops

[epicSocialism4tw]

Oh i think the llama takes himself too seriously. I got b-a-a-a-a-d rep. LOL!

Hilarious!

Don't you have a tinfoil hat that needs mending or something?

[alkemical]

Hilarious!

Don't you have a tinfoil hat that needs mending or something?

Nah, tinfoil doesn't work (http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/). It's want they want you to wear.

[baja]

Oh i think the llama takes himself too seriously. I got b-a-a-a-a-d rep. LOL!

http://wiki.urbandead.com/images/a/a7/Drama_Llama.jpg

[RaiderH8r]

I am still laughing at that picture , I am making copies of it , cut it down wallet size , then tell everyone is a picture of my wife . they will freak at truckstops

Not when you tell them you're from Wyoming, then the llama makes all kinds of sense.

[RaiderH8r]

I'll bet this was funny, but my wife wouldn't let me read it.

BTW, she decided I should vote for Hillary. :pity:

Wives everywhere fear that the male gender will unite and find their roots. That's why they keep making us go to chick flicks and thwarting poker night.

[Rohirrim]

Wives everywhere fear that the male gender will unite and find their roots. That's why they keep making us go to chick flicks and thwarting poker night.

I need to go out in the woods and shoot something. :pity:

[RaiderH8r]

http://www.nypost.com/delonas/2008/01/01292008.jpg

LOL

Where did you find that?

[Spider]

Not when you tell them you're from Wyoming, then the llama makes all kinds of sense.

LOL ...... that would be sheep

[RaiderH8r]

I need to go out in the woods and shoot something. :pity:

My wife took my guns away. Now I'm expected to defend my family with a putter. Oh the tragedy of it all.

[RaiderH8r]

LOL ...... that would be sheep

A warm body is a warm body when you're in the high and windy lonesome.

8 or 80 blind, fat, crippled, or crazy. But nothing over 6 days dead.

That about right?

[Spider]

A warm body is a warm body when you're in the high and windy lonesome.

8 or 80 blind, fat, crippled, or crazy. But nothing over 6 days dead.

That about right?

Pretty much ...;D
the 6 days dead thing is up for debate though ..... cold preserves a body alot longer

[TailgateNut]

I need to go out in the woods and shoot something. :pity:

Cheney likes to hunt!;)

[RaiderH8r]

Cheney likes to hunt!;)

Huntin' lawyers. To this day I don't know how his poll numbers didn't go up after shooting a lawyer. I thought that would be an area where most Americans could agree with him.

[Bronco Bob]

Huntin' lawyers. To this day I don't know how his poll numbers didn't go up after shooting a lawyer. I thought that would be an area where most Americans could agree with him.

I think it was because Cheney tried to weasel his way out of it instead
of manning up and saying "Yeah, damn right I shot him, I'm the VP,
what are you going to do about it?"

[TailgateNut]

I think it was because Cheney tried to weasel his way out of it instead
of manning up and saying "Yeah, damn right I shot him, I'm the VP,
what are you going to do about it?"


It's because he didn't succeed!:wiggle:

[Bronco Bob]

It's because he didn't succeed!:wiggle:

That too.

[bronco militia]

LOL

Where did you find that?


http://www.nypost.com/delonas/delonas.htm


http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/ramirez/ramirez.htm

[RaiderH8r]

I think it was because Cheney tried to weasel his way out of it instead
of manning up and saying "Yeah, damn right I shot him, I'm the VP,
what are you going to do about it?"

He didn't say that. What he did say, when asked about the incident was, "Go f@ck yourself."

Cheney's awesome.

[Rohirrim]

My wife took my guns away. Now I'm expected to defend my family with a putter. Oh the tragedy of it all.

I know that Jack Nicholson prefers his nine iron. ;D

[Bronco Bob]

Okay, this thread has gotten way off topic. Time for some 'toons.

[Bronco Bob]

Rise to the top.

[alkemical]

Is ahnold on the other hand? I mean he's an ACTUAL kennedy.....

[Bronco Bob]

Is ahnold on the other hand? I mean he's an ACTUAL kennedy.....

You don't want to know where Teddy's other hand is. Trust me.

[Bronco Bob]

Caesar salad.

[Bronco Bob]

Anybody else here remember what this one is based on?

[alkemical]

You don't want to know where Teddy's other hand is. Trust me.

You know, i think alot of the Kennedy's & Clinton's conflicts is class-warfare. Old Money Vs. New Money.

[Bronco Bob]

An agent of change

[alkemical]

Chowduh!