Jason Elam ... Christian Fundamentalist author of "Monday Night Jihad" ?!

[BroncoBuff]

Jason Elam is on Glen Beck right now ... selling a novel he apparently just wrote called "Monday Night Jihad." It's about a Christian Fundamentalist football player who fights radical Islam ....


... No, I am NOT joking.

[BroncoBuff]

It's for real ....

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6826/10074190pg6.jpg
http://www.mondaynightjihad.com/


There wasn't a thread on this on the first three pages ... is this news?

[Inkana7]

This is really old news. We all know about this. Where've you been, dude? :)

[BroncoBuff]

Oh, sorry.... I don't know why I haven't seen it ???

Glenn Beck called it a "new" book...

[Inkana7]

It is new, but this has been hashed on the Mane weeks ago. Lots of people calling Elam prejudice and all that jazz.

[BroncoBuff]

I guess it was when I was outta town ... sorry.

[orinjkrush]

god forbid. allah akbar.

[Inkana7]

I guess it was when I was outta town ... sorry.

Hey, its cool. Thanks for the ad. That's a pretty cheesy tag line.

[Los Broncos]

Good repost, thanks.

[BroncoBuff]

I have a book coming out .... it's not quite as cheesy:


http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/2962/bookks6.png

[BroncoBuff]

"Monday Night Jihad" ?! ... about a football player who battles Radical Islam ?!


That is so dumb, my BMFgoof book actually looks more interesting

[24champ]

There's really no simple way to say this. Jason Elam, the longtime Denver Broncos kicker, has a book coming out in January entitled Monday Night Jihad.

You can stop laughing, because this isn't a joke at all. Even though Elam hasn't written anything since college, he somehow has authored a 350-page book that is loosely based on his life. The main character of the book will be Riley Covington, a military guy who has finished serving a tour of duty who then comes back to play for the local pro football team only to find himself brought back into the military world unexpectedly. Just so you know, Covington will not be a kicker.

The idea for the book came mainly from Elam's experiences as a pro football player. But it also came from time he spent in the Middle East. He got background for his book when he visited the Gaza Strip last year and got caught in a shootout. Sweet.

"What I was hoping to do, and think I pulled off, was contrast Christianity with radical Islam and moderate Islam," Elam said. "If Osama bin Laden himself were to pick up this book and read it, I'd want him to say, 'Yeah, that's why I do what I do. That's how I justify, how I reconcile, that's what I believe.'"

If you think there's no way this'll work, I'd have to agree with you. But apparently the publishing industry doesn't agree with us. That's because Elam already has a contract for a second book, with the lead character along the lines of fictional adventurer Dirk Pitt out of the Clive Cussler novels.

So if you're looking for a book about an NFL player who battles terrorists and solves the Mid-East crisis in his spare time, it'll soon be available. You can read an excerpt here.

I think I can confidently say without question that Elam is the new Shakespeare.

http://100percentinjuryrate.blogspot.com/2007/10/jason-elam-has-written-weirdest-book.html

[CBF1]

Stick to being a Rock Star and pass on being an author :)

[Dagmar]

This thread normally ends badly...

[theAPAOps5]

Telluride will be here to talk about Jason alienating his teammates who are muslim. Essentially calling him racist. Then he will tie this all in to his undying hatred for Shanny.

[Cito Pelon]

Holy God. Religion sure does get pimped to ungodly lengths.

[lazarus4444]

Interesting, might have to pick it up. I don't think bad of Elam at all for writing this. And for the record, there is no official moderate islam because they are all afraid of being killed off for being moderate, lol.

[SouthStndJunkie]

I read the book just for ****s and grins.

It was better than I thought it was going to be....and I am not religious or right wing. Props to Elam for having the stones to write a book.

[alkemical]

Is it better when on jenkem?

[rubaiyat]

Interesting, might have to pick it up. I don't think bad of Elam at all for writing this. And for the record, there is no official moderate islam because they are all afraid of being killed off for being moderate, lol.

Wouldn't the ones in America...and I suppose most in Europe, and even Pakistan qualify? Pakistan being set up as a strictly secular nation to begin with.

[bronco militia]

Telluride will be here to talk about Jason alienating his teammates who are muslim. Essentially calling him racist. Then he will tie this all in to his undying hatred for Shanny.

bwhahahaha

[RhymesayersDU]

Welcome to last week!

Population: You











I kid, I kid.

[sirhcyennek81]

There is a moderate Islam?


:Broncos:

[Beantown Bronco]

There is a moderate Islam?


:Broncos:

Much like the Catholic priests that don't molest, moderate Islam doesn't make for sexy news so nobody ever hears about it.

[sirhcyennek81]

Much like the Catholic priests that don't molest, moderate Islam doesn't make for sexy news so nobody ever hears about it.


Point being the priests who dont molest (close to 98% of the entire priesthood) actually speak out against it. A religion of 1 billion people oppose suicide bombers and acts of terror are actually afraid to speak out against an insane "minority"? That doesnt seem normal or right to me.


:Broncos:

[Houshyamama]

His use of the word 'Jihad' is telling. I sincerely doubt he is going to alienate his Muslim teammates by speaking out against radical Islam. Seriously, is there a soul here who does not see the danger posed by Al-Qaeda and other like-minded radical organizations? I would like to get the opinion of someone who has read the book.

[24champ]

Is it better when on jenkem?

Are you an avid Jenkem user? Hilarious!

[SouthStndJunkie]

Are you an avid Jenkem user? Hilarious!

Don't ever sample Josh's Pennsylvania Corn Jenkem.

Wicked stuff.

[SouthStndJunkie]

His use of the word 'Jihad' is telling. I sincerely doubt he is going to alienate his Muslim teammates by speaking out against radical Islam. Seriously, is there a soul here who does not see the danger posed by Al-Qaeda and other like-minded radical organizations? I would like to get the opinion of someone who has read the book.

He won't alienate his teammates. He differentiates between radicals and other Muslims.

[Dedhed]

Point being the priests who dont molest (close to 98% of the entire priesthood) actually speak out against it. A religion of 1 billion people oppose suicide bombers and acts of terror are actually afraid to speak out against an insane "minority"? That doesnt seem normal or right to me.


:Broncos:

A more apt analogy would be what % of molested alter boys speak out against molestation, and Moderate Islamists speak out against the radicals all the time. If you aren't aware of that I would guess you've dug into this subject about as far as this thread has taken you. Still, however, it doesn't change the fact that there will always be radicals, just like denouncing molesting doesn't vanquish the molesters.

[Atlas]

His use of the word 'Jihad' is telling. I sincerely doubt he is going to alienate his Muslim teammates by speaking out against radical Islam. Seriously, is there a soul here who does not see the danger posed by Al-Qaeda and other like-minded radical organizations? I would like to get the opinion of someone who has read the book.

I suppose a Conservative Christian writing a book about Islamic terrorists is about on the same level as drawing a picture of Mohammed with a bomb in his turbin.

I don't know what this level is but I imagine they are pretty close.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:tRtPkmW5uaInkM:http://www.pekingduck.org/archives/mohammed%2520cartoon%2520danish-thumb.jpeg

[alkemical]

Are you an avid Jenkem user? Hilarious!

LOL! Secret Dutch recipe. :)

[alkemical]

Don't ever sample Josh's Pennsylvania Corn Jenkem.

Wicked stuff.

Aye, it's a bit dutchie :)

[sirhcyennek81]

A more apt analogy would be what % of molested alter boys speak out against molestation, and Moderate Islamists speak out against the radicals all the time. If you aren't aware of that I would guess you've dug into this subject about as far as this thread has taken you. Still, however, it doesn't change the fact that there will always be radicals, just like denouncing molesting doesn't vanquish the molesters.


When? 9/11 happened and they had muslims dancing in the streets. I suppose they are all moderate, but the media just caught them all dancing for the hell of it.


:Broncos:

Found one. Rushdie, who will forever have a price on his head. I suppose if Islam had a large, moderate population, he would not have to worry about being butchered in the street.

:Broncos:

[Houshyamama]

I suppose a Conservative Christian writing a book about Islamic terrorists is about on the same level as drawing a picture of Mohammed with a bomb in his turbin.

I don't know what this level is but I imagine they are pretty close.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:tRtPkmW5uaInkM:http://www.pekingduck.org/archives/mohammed%2520cartoon%2520danish-thumb.jpeg

I don't know man, I haven't read the book. But to me there is a fine line between respect and fear.

[alkemical]

I don't know man, I haven't read the book. But to me there is a fine line between respect and fear.

There is no respect out of fear.

[Houshyamama]

There is no respect out of fear.

So what do you suggest bro, subservience?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I suppose a Conservative Christian writing a book about Islamic terrorists is about on the same level as drawing a picture of Mohammed with a bomb in his turbin.

I don't know what this level is but I imagine they are pretty close.

http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:tRtPkmW5uaInkM:http://www.pekingduck.org/archives/mohammed%2520cartoon%2520danish-thumb.jpeg

Yeah, this kind of reminds me of the Halocaust class I once took in my Sunday hebrew school. Obviously, that class was told with a bit of a slanted view. I swear, every class began with the teacher saying this ...

"hit-luh (i grew up in ny) was a los-uh. Hit-luh was a lon-uh. He was a bum. He got a bunch of oth-uh bums togeth-uh and they ruled a country"

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I think the "threat" of Al-Queda has been a bit overblown by our government and media. Sure, they are an organization that makes many threats and has the potential to make some noise, but it's been seven years since 9/11 (and the Antrax scare soon after) and their lack of action against us i'm sure has little to do with our national security since it's been proved, time and time again, that our borders are penetrable

[alkemical]

So what do you suggest bro, subservience?

You cannot gain respect through fear, just as you cannot gain love out of fear. If you respect out of fear, your intention is to avoid interference, then in fact you are being subservient.

[Houshyamama]

You cannot gain respect through fear, just as you cannot gain love out of fear. If you respect out of fear, your intention is to avoid interference, then in fact you are being subservient.

If only we had an viable alternative energy source, then they could go back to exporting dates.

[alkemical]

If only we had an viable alternative energy source, then they could go back to exporting dates.

We have many viable alternatives - just nobody wants to go through with it. People think you need a 'one-sized-fits-all" solution, and that's not going to happen. You have to maximize the geography and products you are given.

Truth is, if it wants to be done, it will be done. End of story.

[sirhcyennek81]

I think the "threat" of Al-Queda has been a bit overblown by our government and media. Sure, they are an organization that makes many threats and has the potential to make some noise, but it's been seven years since 9/11 (and the Antrax scare soon after) and their lack of action against us i'm sure has little to do with our national security since it's been proved, time and time again, that our borders are penetrable


They thought this on 9/10/2001. Doesnt take much when 4 planes crash into American landmarks to become an "overblown" threat. I am sure you would have called Pearl Harbor a "threat" because using your logic the japanese were unable to launch another attack on american territory on par with 12/7/41.

:Broncos:

[SonOfLe-loLang]

They thought this on 9/10/2001. Doesnt take much when 4 planes crash into American landmarks to become an "overblown" threat. I am sure you would have called Pearl Harbor a "threat" because using your logic the japanese were unable to launch another attack on american territory on par with 12/7/41.

:Broncos:

Your historical comparison is unfortunately apples and oranges. One was during a time of war with the backing of a country's army. The other was an infiltration by an organization that was a result of flawed hijacking policy that changed in an instant.

There are many many ways to infiltrate our systems, borders...it's just one of those thigns thats probably impossible to control. And don't buy into that "they are just waiting for the right time" rhetoric or the "we're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here."

I never claimed they weren't a threat, but there are bigger threats in the world than Al-Queda....such as the fact they we are self destructing ourselves as an economy and a world leader.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

We have many viable alternatives - just nobody wants to go through with it. People think you need a 'one-sized-fits-all" solution, and that's not going to happen. You have to maximize the geography and products you are given.

Truth is, if it wants to be done, it will be done. End of story.

agreed. All it requires is the willingness to pay for it. But you know Americans, what's mine is mine.

[BroncoBuff]

Dang, nobody likes my "BroncoBuff Jihad" PhotoShop?

Fine. Be that way.

[Houshyamama]

We have many viable alternatives - just nobody wants to go through with it. People think you need a 'one-sized-fits-all" solution, and that's not going to happen. You have to maximize the geography and products you are given.

Truth is, if it wants to be done, it will be done. End of story.

There is nothing currently out there I have seen that can cure our addiction to oil. Ethanol? what a joke. Wind and solar? Please! I have high hopes for hydrogen, but setting up an infrastructure will take many years. Like it or not, right now we need oil.

[Bronco X]

When? 9/11 happened and they had muslims dancing in the streets. I suppose they are all moderate, but the media just caught them all dancing for the hell of it.


So these people were the moderates now?

Never mind the considerable controversy over whether that footage was aired in the proper context (what were they actually celebrating, if the footage was actually taken on 9/11, etc.).

Never mind that the media was only interested in button pushing after 9/11, never mind that they threw up their hands, knees quivering, and screamed to the administration "We can't take this, do what you please with our full undivided support for the next few years, we like to give lip service to the notions of freedom and individuality but we too damn scared to actually embrace it" (I shouldn't isolate the media here... congress, the senate, and the American people did the exact same thing).

Let's regurgitate the reactionary dogma of that era now and forever and further bastardize the context! I mean, it did us such good the first time around!

[alkemical]

agreed. All it requires is the willingness to pay for it. But you know Americans, what's mine is mine.

Exactly.

[alkemical]

There is nothing currently out there I have seen that can cure our addiction to oil. Ethanol? what a joke. Wind and solar? Please! I have high hopes for hydrogen, but setting up an infrastructure will take many years. Like it or not, right now we need oil.

that's because you are looking for a one-sized-fits-all solution.

[Houshyamama]

that's because you are looking for a one-sized-fits-all solution.

I'm not sure I follow you dude. Are you speaking of a situation where homes power themselves off solar/wind? Where each individual part of the economy finds a way to fuel itself?

[alkemical]

I'm not sure I follow you dude. Are you speaking of a situation where homes power themselves off solar/wind? Where each individual part of the economy finds a way to fuel itself?

Look, solar works much better in say... AZ than it does in MA. So MA shouldn't make Solar their 'prominent' source of renewable energy. Bio-diesel would be perfect for trains, etc.

Lots and lots of creative ways the energy situation can be resolved.

[sirhcyennek81]

Your historical comparison is unfortunately apples and oranges. One was during a time of war with the backing of a country's army. The other was an infiltration by an organization that was a result of flawed hijacking policy that changed in an instant.

There are many many ways to infiltrate our systems, borders...it's just one of those thigns thats probably impossible to control. And don't buy into that "they are just waiting for the right time" rhetoric or the "we're fighting them there so we don't have to fight them here."

I never claimed they weren't a threat, but there are bigger threats in the world than Al-Queda....such as the fact they we are self destructing ourselves as an economy and a world leader.

Both attacks resulted in American entry into a global conflict. I never said our borders were unsecure. You specifically said that Al Qaeda was an overblown threat, when its obvious thinking that way led to the 9/11 terror attacks in the first place.

Our economy, while slowing down, is hardly "destructing". Our world standing matters to who? The French? Germans? North Koreans? If you seek to impress the Sudan then I suppose you think our world standing is at stake.

:Broncos:

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Both attacks resulted in American entry into a global conflict. I never said our borders were unsecure. You specifically said that Al Qaeda was an overblown threat, when its obvious thinking that way led to the 9/11 terror attacks in the first place.

Our economy, while slowing down, is hardly "destructing". Our world standing matters to who? The French? Germans? North Koreans? If you seek to impress the Sudan then I suppose you think our world standing is at stake.

:Broncos:

China and the European Union would disagree with you. The times just had a fantastically bleak article about this....check it out.

[Houshyamama]

Look, solar works much better in say... AZ than it does in MA. So MA shouldn't make Solar their 'prominent' source of renewable energy. Bio-diesel would be perfect for trains, etc.

Lots and lots of creative ways the energy situation can be resolved.

Building a system like that would take YEARS, decades. I'm all for starting the process, but we need oil now and we will need oil for the foreseeable future. Don't underestimate our dependency on oil.

[sirhcyennek81]

So these people were the moderates now?

Never mind the considerable controversy over whether that footage was aired in the proper context (what were they actually celebrating, if the footage was actually taken on 9/11, etc.).

Never mind that the media was only interested in button pushing after 9/11, never mind that they threw up their hands, knees quivering, and screamed to the administration "We can't take this, do what you please with our full undivided support for the next few years, we like to give lip service to the notions of freedom and individuality but we too damn scared to actually embrace it" (I shouldn't isolate the media here... congress, the senate, and the American people did the exact same thing).

Let's regurgitate the reactionary dogma of that era now and forever and further bastardize the context! I mean, it did us such good the first time around!

Crazy question. What caused them to celebrate in the first place? The deaths of 3,000 Americans. No ridiculous conspiracy theorist or leftist talking head can realistically sit there and claim a moderate religion did not just celebrate the deaths of people they will never meet or know.

Undivided support? 3 days into the invasion of Afghanistan the "lip service" media was declaring an American defeat, quagmire, things breaking down, the "valiant" effort of the taliban and the impending victory of Al Qaeda. It was a surprise when we overthrew the Taliban. Seemed to surprise democrats, who can't quite get over Vietnam. If you want regurgitated dogma, ask any idiotic news talking head about the failed Tet offensive, and see the reaction you get for challenging the BS.


:Broncos:

[alkemical]

Building a system like that would take YEARS, decades. I'm all for starting the process, but we need oil now and we will need oil for the foreseeable future. Don't underestimate our dependency on oil.

I'm not, your stance that it would take decades is what hinders progress.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Building a system like that would take YEARS, decades. I'm all for starting the process, but we need oil now and we will need oil for the foreseeable future. Don't underestimate our dependency on oil.

It's something we obviously should have started years ago, but there are both short term solutions and long terms. I'm not expert in this field, the more attractive long term ones (solar and wind) would cost quite a bit. If we're willing to pay for it (in, gasp, taxes) it probably would be a worth while endeavor. Nuclear energy seems to be a nice short term solution to aide the problem (and its a safe energy source),

The exploration of alternative energy can also boom the economy by creating jobs (as well as jobs to support our failing infrastructure). It just needs to happen NOW so that in a couple decades, we can have our new source (just ask brazil!)

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'm not, your stance that it would take decades is what hinders progress.

Agreed. It's like saying we shouldnt explore stem cell because we might not see results for 10 years. With that thinking, we'd never get anything done. When have quick fixes ever worked? Just as this current economic stimulus plan probably wont do nearly as much as Bush thinks.

[Houshyamama]

It's something we obviously should have started years ago, but there are both short term solutions and long terms. I'm not expert in this field, the more attractive long term ones (solar and wind) would cost quite a bit. If we're willing to pay for it (in, gasp, taxes) it probably would be a worth while endeavor. Nuclear energy seems to be a nice short term solution to aide the problem (and its a safe energy source),

The exploration of alternative energy can also boom the economy by creating jobs (as well as jobs to support our failing infrastructure). It just needs to happen NOW so that in a couple decades, we can have our new source (just ask brazil!)

I'm all for alternative energy, I am just being realistic. We have oil-men in the highest seats of our government, an economy with a life sustaining IV drip of oil and a currency at least somewhat tied to the trade of it. It is going to take more than a few solar panels, corn-based ethanol and fuel-tanks full of goodwill and happy-environmental thoughts to pull us out of this. We need something big, we need a real break-through and a government brave enough to back it.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

I'm all for alternative energy, I am just being realistic. We have oil-men in the highest seats of our government, an economy with a life sustaining IV drip of oil and a currency at least somewhat tied to the trade of it. It is going to take more than a few solar panels, corn-based ethanol and fuel-tanks full of goodwill and happy-environmental thoughts to pull us out of this. We need something big, we need a real break-through and a government brave enough to back it.

Well, yeah i don't think anyone thinks its going to be EASY, doesn't mean its not necessary.

[alkemical]

It's something we obviously should have started years ago, but there are both short term solutions and long terms. I'm not expert in this field, the more attractive long term ones (solar and wind) would cost quite a bit. If we're willing to pay for it (in, gasp, taxes) it probably would be a worth while endeavor. Nuclear energy seems to be a nice short term solution to aide the problem (and its a safe energy source),

The exploration of alternative energy can also boom the economy by creating jobs (as well as jobs to support our failing infrastructure). It just needs to happen NOW so that in a couple decades, we can have our new source (just ask brazil!)

That's what i don't get. We can create a whole new market, and maybe, just maybe make the USA the energy capitol of the world.... Seems like a nice way to f*ck the M.E. Over to me.....

[SonOfLe-loLang]

That's what i don't get. We can create a whole new market, and maybe, just maybe make the USA the energy capitol of the world.... Seems like a nice way to **** the M.E. Over to me.....

Yeah, the problem is that it makes too much sense:)

[alkemical]

Agreed. It's like saying we shouldnt explore stem cell because we might not see results for 10 years. With that thinking, we'd never get anything done. When have quick fixes ever worked? Just as this current economic stimulus plan probably wont do nearly as much as Bush thinks.

Exactly, i don't understand that mentality of "oh well, it might take a while so we shouldn't use any effort"

[alkemical]

Yeah, the problem is that it makes too much sense:)

:)

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Exactly, i don't understand that mentality of "oh well, it might take a while so we shouldn't use any effort"

I think its due to the fact that every functional american generation has been entitled and has never had to sacrifice (like the ww2 generations did.) We don't know what it takes to change. But hey, adaptation is always needed. Even Rome fell. With this new administration, there needs to be a real step in the direction of a new America...it wont happen over night, and probably not in the next 8 years (because we have to dig ourselves out of this ****pile), but we need to start the path.

[alkemical]

I think its due to the fact that every functional american generation has been entitled and has never had to sacrifice (like the ww2 generations did.) We don't know what it takes to change. But hey, adaptation is always needed. Even Rome fell. With this new administration, there needs to be a real step in the direction of a new America...it wont happen over night, and probably not in the next 8 years (because we have to dig ourselves out of this ****pile), but we need to start the path.


That's my stance as well. The infrastructure as a whole needs rebuilt and what better time than to dig in for 25years and set the stage for the future.

[Houshyamama]

I'm not, your stance that it would take decades is what hinders progress.

You accuse me of hindering progress by being realistic. Let me say this again, I am all for alternative energy. But any way you look at it, it will take decades to make a transition. In the meantime, we need oil. Simple as that. And they have it. If Ghawar would have been found in Kentucky, things would be very different. But it is what it is. Thousands of years of modern-human history tells us that conflict over limited resources is inevitable.

[SonOfLe-loLang]

That's my stance as well. The infrastructure as a whole needs rebuilt and what better time than to dig in for 25years and set the stage for the future.

Absolutely. It does. Dodd realizes this, i believe edwards does as well. It can create a ton of new, good paying jobs. FDR type of thinking couldnt hurt this country right now.

[alkemical]

You accuse me of hindering progress by being realistic. Let me say this again, I am all for alternative energy. But any way you look at it, it will take decades to make a transition. In the meantime, we need oil. Simple as that. And they have it. If Ghawar would have been found in Kentucky, things would be very different. But it is what it is. Thousands of years of modern-human history tells us that conflict over limited resources is inevitable.

Only because it's believed to be that way.

[Houshyamama]

Only because it's believed to be that way.

I applaud your idealism, I really do. I think the same way you do. I just don't see how it is going to change in the real world.

[Bronco X]

Crazy question. What caused them to celebrate in the first place? The deaths of 3,000 Americans. No ridiculous conspiracy theorist or leftist talking head can realistically sit there and claim a moderate religion did not just celebrate the deaths of people they will never meet or know.


You're not grasping my point about not being discerning about how the media presents things. If on 9/12/01, the U.S. had dropped a nuke on Mecca, there'd have been plenty of isolated pockets here where Americans would have been celebrating. Maybe they'd have even been videotaped, so it could be aired over and over again in another part of the globe...

The people celebrating were not moderates. It's simply foolish to think they are or that video means moderates don't exist.


Undivided support? 3 days into the invasion of Afghanistan the "lip service" media was declaring an American defeat, quagmire, things breaking down, the "valiant" effort of the taliban and the impending victory of Al Qaeda. It was a surprise when we overthrew the Taliban. Seemed to surprise democrats, who can't quite get over Vietnam. If you want regurgitated dogma, ask any idiotic news talking head about the failed Tet offensive, and see the reaction you get for challenging the BS.


:Broncos:

You're using very selective memory regarding your take on media coverage following the invasion of Afghanistan. If there was a single talking head you're turning it into all of them to cook up an argument. And if you are seriously trying to argue that this administration faced any kind of significant opposition in the months following 9/11 you've simply been skipping around in la-la land far too long.

[alkemical]

I applaud your idealism, I really do. I think the same way you do. I just don't see how it is going to change in the real world.

Which is why it won't.

[sirhcyennek81]

You're not grasping my point about not being discerning about how the media presents things. If on 9/12/01, the U.S. had dropped a nuke on Mecca, there'd have been plenty of isolated pockets here where Americans would have been celebrating. Maybe they'd have even been videotaped, so it could be aired over and over again in another part of the globe...

The people celebrating were not moderates. It's simply foolish to think they are or that video means moderates don't exist.



You're using very selective memory regarding your take on media coverage following the invasion of Afghanistan. If there was a single talking head you're turning it into all of them to cook up an argument. And if you are seriously trying to argue that this administration faced any kind of significant opposition in the months following 9/11 you've simply been skipping around in la-la land far too long.


Whatever works for you.


:Broncos:

[fontaine]

We have many viable alternatives - just nobody wants to go through with it. People think you need a 'one-sized-fits-all" solution, and that's not going to happen. You have to maximize the geography and products you are given.

Truth is, if it wants to be done, it will be done. End of story.

Exactly. Never underestimate the lowest common denominator in mass consumer society: Laziness.

[sirhcyennek81]

Look, solar works much better in say... AZ than it does in MA. So MA shouldn't make Solar their 'prominent' source of renewable energy. Bio-diesel would be perfect for trains, etc.

Lots and lots of creative ways the energy situation can be resolved.


Wind works in the midwest and southern California. Solar would work for Colorado, Denver gets 300 days of sun a year.


:Broncos:

[alkemical]

Wind works in the midwest and southern California. Solar would work for Colorado, Denver gets 300 days of sun a year.


:Broncos:

Exactly, it's the little things that all add up. I'm still trying to find a "commercial" availability for 'solar paint'.

http://www.inhabitat.com/2007/07/22/paint-on-solar-cells/

http://www.nanogirl.com/museumfuture/solarpaint.htm

Imagine all sorts of little inventions like these, adding up. Use plants that are highly renewable for bio-fuel. Make freight trains run on bio fuel....etc