Obama destroys Clinton in SC

[SoCalBronco]

Apparently its a much larger win than even the polls were saying. Obama doing significantly better among whites than was expected (Obama and Clinton in a tie among white males) as well and carrying 80% of blacks.

Is he going to win this thing by 20+%?

The Clintons were expecting a loss, but not like this, I don't think.

[Rohirrim]

I'm amazed that people would vote for a guy as grossly inexperienced, on all levels, as Obama. Putting him in the WH would be a huge experiment.

[JCMElway]

I'm amazed that people would vote for a guy as grossly inexperienced, on all levels, as Obama. Putting him in the WH would be a huge experiment.

Why would it surprise you? This country voted in a President who only had 1 1/2 terms as a Texas governor. Hell, if you managed a Shakey's pizza for a couple of years I bet that'd be enough experience to get elected.

[theAPAOps5]

SHAKEY's pizza I love that place! I don't think we have them anymore in Colorado.

It will be interesting to see how this caries Obama. He is way behind in Florida, New Jersey, and other states in the latest polls.

[Rohirrim]

SHAKEY's pizza I love that place! I don't think we have them anymore in Colorado.

It will be interesting to see how this caries Obama. He is way behind in Florida, New Jersey, and other states in the latest polls.

Straw Hat Pizza Palace was MUCH better. I've lived in Denver for decades and still haven't found a good pizza.

[theAPAOps5]

Black Jack Pizza is my favorite in Denver.

[JCMElway]

Straw Hat Pizza Palace was MUCH better. I've lived in Denver for decades and still haven't found a good pizza.

Have you tried Beau Joes? They're in Evergreen, I think. And in Idaho Springs. Great Chicago style pizza pies.

[JCMElway]

And back to politics, Obama looks to be winning by 22%. However, Hillary could still get up to 14 delegates.

[theAPAOps5]

Beau Jo's sucks balls. There is much better places for Chicago style.

As for the purpose of this thread. Obama was expected to win this state but I don't think he gets much boost. I expect Hillary to do well in Florida and the NE states. Obama should dominate the Southern States and the West is up in the air.

[Rohirrim]

Looks like we're headed for a contested convention right here in Denver. ;D

That will be fun.

[JCMElway]

Apa, I wish you would just say what you mean. It's OK to express your opinion, ya know? (By the by, I like Beaus Jo's, so there.)

Anyway, it looks like Clinton is leading Obama by double digits in Alabama, Missouri, Arizona, Tennessee, California, Florida, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York. The only states that I saw where Obama was ahead was Illinois and Georgia. This is a nice win for Obama tonight, but he has a very difficult road ahead of him.

[JCMElway]

Looks like we're headed for a contested convention right here in Denver. ;D

That will be fun.

The convention may be brokered for the GOP, but I think the Dems will settle on Hillary. If that's the case the GOP is doomed. I don't think any candidate that came from a brokered convention has ever defeated a candidate from a non-brokered convention.

[Rohirrim]

The convention may be brokered for the GOP, but I think the Dems will settle on Hillary. If that's the case the GOP is doomed. I don't think any candidate that came from a brokered convention has ever defeated a candidate from a non-brokered convention.

Even with all the Super Tuesday delegates, Billary can't wrap it up. The GOP will settle on a candidate before the Dems will. They can't stand discord.

[JCMElway]

Even with all the Super Tuesday delegates, Billary can't wrap it up. The GOP will settle on a candidate before the Dems will. They can't stand discord.

They may not be able to stand discord, but the candidates they have are fracturing the party. Huck is fine for the conservative christians, but the business sector can't stand his populist economics. Romney is the fave of that sector, but the christian coalition will never go for a Mormon. Giuliani is nice for the big cities, but the heartland can't stand him. McCain has some appeal, but he has been very weak on the immigration issue, and he's too much of a centrist for many in the party to get behind.

On the other hand, Obama has a few states behind him, but Hillary has too much of a machine behind her to be stopped. I think that Hillary sews this thing up not long after Super Tuesday.

[theAPAOps5]

Apa, I wish you would just say what you mean. It's OK to express your opinion, ya know? (By the by, I like Beaus Jo's, so there.)

Anyway, it looks like Clinton is leading Obama by double digits in Alabama, Missouri, Arizona, Tennessee, California, Florida, Massachusetts, New Jersey, and New York. The only states that I saw where Obama was ahead was Illinois and Georgia. This is a nice win for Obama tonight, but he has a very difficult road ahead of him.

Yeah I have never had that tact skill. I say it how it is. Gets me in trouble. I have learned to filter it at work though so that is good.

[JCMElway]

I stand corrected SoCal. With 96% reporting, Obama has a 31% margin of victory.

[SoCalBronco]

That was a very powerful speech by Sen. Obama.

[Rohirrim]

That was a very powerful speech by Sen. Obama.

He's starting to remind me of Rudy. Rudy says, "911, 911, 911." Barack says, "Change, change, change." Change what? Change your underwear?

[RMT]

any presidential candidate whose background only consists of managing pizza joints would be overqualified for the presidency.

[yavoon]

desperately don't want to be president:
edwards
guiliani
huckabee

how am I goin so far?

[spdirty]

On Super Tuesday, she will emerge.

[Spider]

Tim ****ing Russert is fanning the racial flames over this big time ..... A pox on all their houses

[Bronco Jamus]

Bye Clintons. We are tired of you and your Bush partners.

[frerottenextelway]

This is going to be a fun ride, this thing could essentially be tied still after Super Tuesday.

2 of the 3 biggest states are New York and Illinois, their home states. Clinton holds the lead in New York, which has more delegates, but Obama holds a much larger lead in Illinois. Between those two states, the delegates will break close to even, maybe with a slight advantage to Obama, especially if he gets a bump out of South Carolina.

The 4th biggest Super Tuesday State is Massachusetts, where Clinton has about a 30% lead. But most of that polling was before hometown boy John Kerry endorsed Clinton, and just today JFK's daughter along with local democratic icon Ted Kennedy have endorsed Obama. With the chaos in this state, who knows where it will go, but it'll probably end up being less than 10 delegate advantage either way.

The 5th largest state is Georgia. Georgia seems to be very similiar to South Carolina, and recent polls have Obama up 5-10 points. I think only Obama and Edwards are campaigning there, and with the SC bump, Obama will in all liklihood win this state large.

The next dozen or so states are mostly trending Clinton. Even with the SC bump, most of these are in territories that should bode well for Clinton. It's hard to imagine her not at least picking up a couple dozen delegates between them.

Then, of course, you have the largest state in California up for grabs. California is an interesting state that has a large AA population, but also has a large latino population that is going heavily for Clinton. Recent polls have Clinton up by 12, but between the SC bump, the Reagan references, and the upcoming debate in California, this isn't a lock to pick up a significant amount of delegates for Clinton.

This is shaping up where neither candidate may get the required 50.01% of the delegates. And that is why John Edwards is still in this race. The talk is that Edwards' camp tried brokering a deal with the Obama camp to hand over his delegates if this happened in exchange for a Vice Presidency. The Obama camp declined (at least for now), and word is that Edwards' camp has approached the Clinton camp about the same scenario.

Good times.

[Bob]

That was a very powerful speech by Sen. Obama.

That was honestly the most powerful speech I have heard from a politican since Reagan.

I also saw most of teh debate between Obama and Hilary when he didnt handle the criticism well from Hilary of his postive reference to Reagan -- I wished Obama would have said that "Although I disagree with many of Reagans policies, he was an American patriot and I can respect someone from the other party -- unlike you -- who cannot see the good in another person if they are of a different political ideology. I respected Reagan's ability to install hope and pride of Americans in Americans." You represent the politics of divsion and destruction -- that is a policy I can never agree with."

[Bob]

On Super Tuesday, she will emerge.

I don’t think so -- watch her go to the Hispanics now to try to create division there --- and imply (through various backhanded, and through her operatives) that you will loose your voice and political relevance if you don’t align with me...

[Bob]

[QUOTE=JCMElway;1865454]They may not be able to stand discord, but the candidates they have are fracturing the party. Huck is fine for the conservative christians, but the business sector can't stand his populist economics. Romney is the fave of that sector, but the christian coalition will never go for a Mormon. Giuliani is nice for the big cities, but the heartland can't stand him. McCain has some appeal, but he has been very weak on the immigration issue, and he's too much of a centrist for many in the party to get behind.

True -- there is no one person that appeals to every conservative -- I dont think that anything is being fractured, but the different wings of the party have some core things they like with each guy...

You are right about some on the evengelical movement, but I would venture that of the 26% that would not vote for someone who is LDS -- there are a few in the 26% that are left of center -- that dont want undue influence of the concept of God with a politican who believes in God. Every Repub choice has baggage -- those that would not vote for them because of past stances.

Huckabee: has aliented the LDS vote, and hard-core fiscal conservatives, and those who dont want hiom to touch the constitution.

McCain: is a weakling on the border, and his lack of understanding of the economy is scary -- plus look at the liberal media backing he gets whcih wont help him with teh base

Guiilani: The Christain conservatives are more worried about this guy -- he is socially liberal, with multiple marrages, and shady business deals.

[BroncoInferno]

You are right about some on the evengelical movement, but I would venture that of the 26% that would not vote for someone who is LDS -- there are a few in the 26% that are left of center -- that dont want undue influence of the concept of God with a politican who believes in God.

I doubt it. Some, maybe, but not a significant amount. I say this because practically every politician in a America is a Christian (or, at least, publicly claims to be so) and the left of center vote for those candidates anyway. I can only speak for myself, but I find all religion implausible and nutty, so being a Protestant versus being a Mormon is immaterial to me. I am concerned when guys like Bush and Huckabee talk about speaking to God and changing the constitution to adhere to God's law etc., but I don't know of anything like that in Romney's background. I (and I suspect most of those left of center) won't be voting for him for other reasons. My guess is most of those who said they won't vote for a Mormon are evangelicals (who are typically Republican voters)

[frerottenextelway]

Obama makes up 14 points, now tied in Connecticut. Once down as much as 27 points, and down 14 points less than 2 weeks ago, in a poll released today Obama and Clinton are tied at 40 in Connecticut. Gonna be a photo finish.